This Week in Google Episode 649 Transcript

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Jason Howell (00:00:00):
Coming up next on This Week in Google, it's me, Jason Howell, filling in for Leo Laporte who is off on vacation this week also joined by Ant, Stacey, Jeff, and we have a great show, lots of awesome topics to talk about starting with of course Google's results and how the Pixel 6 is actually performing really well for the company. The comp mess. That is the Spotify, Joe Rogan, Neil Young fallout. Definitely. talk a lot about that also. Is it too late for Google to make tablets cool again? That's a, that's a pretty open-ended question there that we tackle at length gaming Chromebooks, and finally, Jeff refuses to sing karaoke. Yes, all that more coming up next on This Week in Google.

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Jason Howell (00:02:04):
Hello, welcome to This Week in Google twig. I'm Jason Howell filling in for Leo who is, I think at this point he's relaxing in Carmel by the sea. Doesn't that sound nice? He's just like taking care of himself. He and Lisa are there and I'm really happy that they were able to get away. Also I get to join you on This Week in Google, and this is always a lot of fun when I get the chance to do that. So it's good to be here. Wanna welcome to the show. Of course, everybody who is you know, on the honest cast, usually on a weekly basis, we'll start with you and how's it going? Unbelievable as always, sir, how you be doing awesome. It's great to see you, Ant Pruitt kicking butt with all of your club TWIT doings. I feel like there's always new stuff happening on club TWIT and it there's. Ooh, and now we, we've got a little bit of a break <laugh> <laugh> just a little bit, just a little bit. That's good to see you also joining us, Stacey Higginbotham welcome back, Stacey.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:03:06):
Hello everybody.

Jason Howell (00:03:08):
Hello? Good to see you. Yeah, we were talking before the show started about, you know, all of our oh, the windows in our shots. You may have noticed Ant has a window shot this week and then Stacey, you all, we have a window in the back of your shot. It makes it look like it's really nice outside. But you were saying it's actually not.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:03:24):
It's super gray. I mean, it's it one day it'll be super nice. And I'll be like, y'all, it's super nice. And you're gonna be like, we can't see anything. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:03:33):
We'll be like, it looks the same. There's light. That's all we can tell. Probably. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's good to see you Stacey and also joining us, Jeff Jarvis. And I have to do it because oh no, you don't. It's important. Are you sure? Yes. Is that yes I do. Or yes, I don't. Yes you do. You do. Okay. The Leonard tower professor for journalistic innovation at the oh graduate school of journalism at the city, university of New York, ah, that never gets old. Although what I really want at this point, I really want like, like a selection of like 30 different options. And I realize that would make yeah, exactly. Every, every week you get a D for one and the kind rotates audience. Come on. Challenge. You came from audience people let's let's hear some singing. Yeah. Say no more. Yeah. You know,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:04:28):
We could get a hard rock kind of version. You could get kinda a folky version,

Jason Howell (00:04:34):
A like that little guitar strumming. I think, I think a bar version would be very nice. Bar Oak version would be good. Yeah. like I feel like

Stacey Higginbotham (00:04:43):
They shouldn't all be cor coral corral. They shouldn't all be fancy singers, acapella singers we should have, or you could get some barbershop in there. Duo

Jason Howell (00:04:54):
All kinds of, I, I think we also need someone to represent just the standard, like bad karaoke singer version would be. I could do that. Oh, Sarahs, Stacey. Stacey. Would that one? Yeah. Any one of us could do that. I that both

Stacey Higginbotham (00:05:06):
Tone deaf and loud. <Laugh>

Jason Howell (00:05:09):
Have you done karaoke?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:05:11):
Stacey? Of course I have.

Jason Howell (00:05:14):
What,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:05:16):
Why wouldn't I,

Jason Howell (00:05:18):
It

Stacey Higginbotham (00:05:18):
Custom made for something like, cause I'm yeah, I embrace all that's but I'm, you know, I'm not afraid to get up in front of people and say crazy things. So yeah.

Jason Howell (00:05:29):
Why not say why not do it off key? Yeah. Yeah. So then Jeff, and have you done karaoke before? Are you fans of karaoke? Nope,

Ant Pruitt (00:05:39):
I have. I've done it. Just as to goof off, I used to manage a support team and we would go out and they'd wanna do karaoke. So I would do it with the team just for morale purposes or whatever. It's not really my personality, but

Jason Howell (00:05:53):
You know, I'll do it, but you'd do it. You'd take one for the team. Is there a, is there a go-to song? You're like, if I gotta be up here, I be,

Ant Pruitt (00:05:59):
Be at least anything Whitney Houston, because she can actually sing. Unlike that one person, my Sergeant loves.

Jason Howell (00:06:08):
Who, who is that? What <laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (00:06:10):
What kind of internal host dramas

Jason Howell (00:06:11):
Happening here? I know. I'm really curious. I've missed out on this drama.

Ant Pruitt (00:06:16):
Oh, oh man. Me and Mr. Sergeant. We go at it over Beyonce, you know? Oh, Beyonce.

Jason Howell (00:06:23):
Okay.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:06:23):
Okay. Beyonce does not have the range that Whitney Houston

Ant Pruitt (00:06:26):
Has, but I mean, she's talented an accomplish of people that sing, you know, when I think of people that could sing, I think of people where, when the sound comes out, you can tell it came from their to, I mean it's rich. <Laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (00:06:40):
Yeah. I can say, okay, I'll

Jason Howell (00:06:41):
Give you that. Yeah. That's true. That's true. And Jeff I'm, I'm disappointed. I, I thought for sure you had some karaoke in your, in your history. No,

Ant Pruitt (00:06:51):
No. I mean, look at how he does look at right now. Folks. You think he's gonna do karaoke looking at

Jason Howell (00:06:58):
Posture. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:06:59):
That's not a karaoke face right there.

Jason Howell (00:07:01):
<Laugh> no, but that's, that's exactly why I want to see it. Geez. <Laugh> forever in person again, choir this Duran.

Ant Pruitt (00:07:14):
I'm just imagining you in the bar right now with that posture singing journey or something that I'm

Jason Howell (00:07:21):
Doing. No, I'm don't stop. It's believing <laugh> yes. See, even that's fine. Even that would work. You're quite right. The thing

Jeff Jarvis (00:07:34):
I hate most about any gathering anywhere is the icebreaker. I hate icebreakers. I despise, I break. I don't do ice break. I stay icy.

Jason Howell (00:07:44):
<Laugh>

Ant Pruitt (00:07:45):
I

Jason Howell (00:07:45):
Respect that I am ice. Don't break me. I, I do not fall. There we go. There we go. Awesome. Well, we, I hate to disappoint anyone who thinks that we're going to have a karaoke cha right now on the show. We save that for after the show for club TWI. So you know that slash club Twitch, but don't cancel. Don't cancel. You don't go anywhere. That's not a threat. That's that's not a threat. I promise

Stacey Higginbotham (00:08:15):
It's often karaoke. You don't have to

Jason Howell (00:08:16):
Hear it right. Well about stock splits. Let's yeah. Let's talk about stock splits. Google for one has has a plan to split some stock because I guess it was, you know, too expensive and now they're like, we want more people to get in on this. And it was by the way, a really good earnings report breaking 200 billion of annual revenue for the first time. Pretty big deal.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:08:48):
Can you just imagine 200 billion in, I mean that's not even real

Jason Howell (00:08:52):
Money. No, not I, no, I can't imagine it, it actually, it kind of makes my brain hurt in the same way. As when I think about the vastness of space, like I start to break down when I think of money in that, those, yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:09:04):
If it came in cash, how long would it in, in a hundred dollars bills? How long would it take to count that a long time

Jason Howell (00:09:11):
Internal? 

Stacey Higginbotham (00:09:12):
What percentage of that is from the ad revenue? Oh,

Jeff Jarvis (00:09:17):
The basic 90%. I think it's lower now. Yeah. it used to be 98%. I mean, it was, it was, they were so dependent upon it. Let me

Stacey Higginbotham (00:09:25):
See if it's in there. There was a, there's a point to me asking that I, I meant to grab it before the show. There's

Jeff Jarvis (00:09:30):
A point to everything you say.

Jason Howell (00:09:34):
I don't know the true answer to that question, but I mean, I have to imagine it's it is still absolutely the majority and blows everything out of the water. I mean, I don't know, but it also

Jeff Jarvis (00:09:42):
Separates I think it's interesting to look at, at, at the ad infrastructure versus Google ad versus YouTube ad. Yeah. Is also interesting to see

Stacey Higginbotham (00:09:52):
More than 80% of the company's revenue and it grew 41% in 2021, which is a lot,

Jason Howell (00:10:01):
1% used. That is insane. Wow. That is insane. Oh man. 1% year over year to 257 billion.

Jeff Jarvis (00:10:14):
So what's interesting about the stock splits.

Jason Howell (00:10:17):
Yeah, I didn't. Yeah. Tell me, tell me a little bit about stock split because I'm not, I'm not incredibly familiar with, with the why. I mean, I guess I understand the why when a stock gets too valuable splitting, it allows more people to get in, but if you own the stock and it gets split, you're like you're, you're part you're celebrating. Right? Because that doesn't generally it'll go

Jeff Jarvis (00:10:38):
Up ways. It doesn't, it doesn't always have that. It's a 20 for one split. So a share value to 27 53 goes into 20 shares values at $138. What interests me though is this, that gets below the threshold of going on the Dow Jones. So what that says, Google becomes a, a, a, an economy driving, grown up company.

Jason Howell (00:11:03):
Oh, finally they grew up.

Jeff Jarvis (00:11:06):
Yeah, exactly. They, they, they finally finally could shave. Yes. Unlike

Stacey Higginbotham (00:11:10):
You Jason. Well, that's that's if you still think that Dow Jones industrial average is re is like a good proxy for the economy. And I don't think, think,

Jeff Jarvis (00:11:18):
Yeah, it's a media thing. I agree. But, but it's,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:11:22):
I don't think most investors are like, oh yes. You know, Google who cares? It's not on the Dow Jones, but yeah. Yeah. People like us think it's a, I don't know. It's it's like the actual graduation ceremony. You're like, yay. But really, you know, of course you're graduating. That's a really bad. Yeah. What did you learn actually?

Jeff Jarvis (00:11:41):
Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:11:42):
You've been getting your entire life. Of course. You're graduating. Google. the

Jeff Jarvis (00:11:48):
Journal you creating apple and Tesla splits helped extend rallies in their shares.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:11:53):
It did. Yeah. Usually a split is a great news for everybody because you only split when you think that your stock is way too expensive and there's demand for it. So then you split, everybody gets excited and more people buy it and brings it down to like reasonable levels. And you see this all the time, time, the, you know, only, I can't think of a poorly performing company that has done a stock split. Right. It's just, it's a sign that things are going well,

Jason Howell (00:12:24):
Alphabet stock right now at $2,960 a share. So not bad. So, so then, so then would that be factored essentially like that number divided by 20 and you've got your new share price. Is that how that works? Yeah. What up 7% today because of these results last night. Oh, okay. So that was a huge jump,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:12:44):
You know, cuz some people, I mean you really wanna buy a share in a company. Right? So yeah, for sure. This gives you if you're that type of per and now you can buy a share instead of a quarter of a share, you know

Jason Howell (00:12:57):
Yes. Or an eight,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:12:58):
You can give it to your like, you know, like your grandparents give you like five shares of a stock that they feel is meaningful.

Jason Howell (00:13:04):
You know, I, I was given, I was given one share of Reebok when I was a kid <laugh> and it was wow. A single share of Reebok. Yeah. I don't have that

Stacey Higginbotham (00:13:15):
Anymore. No. I mean, that's, that's a way that you teach your, I mean, we did it with our kid. It's the way you teach your kids about owning stocks. You're like, have 'em pick that. You just are like, Hey, pick out a stock that you, you know, and then they get to follow it and you teach them

Jason Howell (00:13:27):
About and they get to track it. Yeah. I remember tracking it's that stock tracking Reebok and a ledger every day, opening up the news to paper and tracking it until I got really bored of doing that. And then I just forgot about it. You know, now you your introduction

Ant Pruitt (00:13:40):
It for <laugh>.

Jason Howell (00:13:42):
I mean

Stacey Higginbotham (00:13:43):
Today's kids get a Beatta a crypto.

Jason Howell (00:13:46):
Yeah. Yes, exactly. This is the here's some ether kid here's

Ant Pruitt (00:13:51):
I know

Jason Howell (00:13:54):
3% of a big point.

Ant Pruitt (00:13:56):
Yeah. Hard is always watching Bitcoin because the, the likes of PayPal and what the cash app made it easy for people to buy into a share of Bitcoin. So they're always sort of just looking, well, my oldest is anyway, mm-hmm, <affirmative> just sort of looking at it and seeing if he's gonna get any kind money out of it. I'm like, dude, you don't have 30 grand. So just, just sit it and leave it, you know?

Jason Howell (00:14:21):
Yeah. Yeah. Do your kids own

Ant Pruitt (00:14:23):
Nfts then? No, sir.

Jason Howell (00:14:27):
Not yet. Would

Stacey Higginbotham (00:14:28):
You know if they own NFTs that felt

Ant Pruitt (00:14:31):
Like such a, they would ask,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:14:32):
Are your kids in the back alley buying NFTs?

Ant Pruitt (00:14:36):
I'm pretty sure they would ask me about it. They ask me about a lot of different things. If they're not quite sure when it comes to trendy stuff in tech they either ask me or they go look up something like a Sergeant said on one of his shows is what it boils down to. But nah, they haven't gotten into NFT yet. They knew that I started doing 'em and just sort of, huh. Okay. Good luck. And went on about the business.

Jason Howell (00:15:03):
I, I mean, it is interesting from, from the perspective of, you know, the kids who are growing up now, like, like your kids old enough to, to be aware, mm-hmm, <affirmative> aware that there is a thing called cryptocurrency and that there's something going on there and that maybe you can make a lot of money, maybe you don't or whatever, but that awareness, like they're young enough to evolve and grow with technology. And

Ant Pruitt (00:15:25):
It seems like they tend to have more than you. They, they tend to have more of a grasp on it than most the adults, our age. That's what I thought fascinating sense.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:15:34):
I don't know if they have a actual grasp or they just understand the social shenanigan. So like my daughter, for example, she has her school has a computer. She's an IB school. So they have an IB computer science program and those kids actually built their own NFTs and sold them of like learning about them. That's cool. She, I was like, that sounds really fun. You know? Like mm-hmm, <affirmative> way to way to get a sense of understanding this. And she's like, oh my God, mom, it was so stupid. Cuz all the crypto bros, do I even wanna be lumped in with that? And I'm like, oh

Ant Pruitt (00:16:07):
Wow. In person. I mean like, so, so there's like,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:16:11):
Oh God, like the biggest eye roll for those guys. Those crypto bros.

Jason Howell (00:16:17):
Yeah. You've got the theater kids, you got the theater kids, you got the brain Ys and you got the crypto bros

Ant Pruitt (00:16:24):
<Laugh> well,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:16:25):
She just, she just it's like, it's not her friends. It's, it's not the high school clique. It's just everybody on the internet who talks. She's just like, they're just, she's like, it's just a pump and dump, which I'm like, how do you know what a pump? And

Ant Pruitt (00:16:38):
Wow. She knows a

Jason Howell (00:16:39):
Pump is dump all the terminology that's out there. Yeah. He's heading to well that's yeah. That's exactly what I mean. I mean, they, they might not have a deep, a deep seated understanding of exactly what's going on. They, as hard as I try, I have, I, I barely understand so much about, you know, crypto and web three and all that, all that craziness. But, but if they're starting at a point where this is, it's not even at the, the, the point of maturity, it's, it's really still at the point of like proving it's that it is a thing and what is that thing and defining itself. But they're young enough to kind of grow and evolve with the development of it. And I, I mean, a part of me has to believe that that that means something. I don't know. I, I, I guess I just don't feel like something like cryptocurrency is automatically like, that's totally shady. It doesn't have any legs. It's not going anywhere. There's enough. There seems to be enough energy with it, including this example that, you know, maybe it, maybe it leads to somewhere and maybe they, they will ultimately end up understanding it way better than, than us as a result. So Peter Kafka did a really good piece this week

Jeff Jarvis (00:17:50):
At pre code, which he tried to kind of figure out, I don't understand crypto and I tried to get into it and, and, and went through and tried to do things in it. So it was, it was a good piece, but it, what really strikes me is that there's a couple things. One is that it's still a solution looking for a problem. Two is the people who represent are generally obnoxious and then three, it gives cooties to a technology that could be useful if people turned it around the other way and started with the need and said, oh, that could solve this problem. But instead it's people saying, this is so high, you're not gonna believe it. And if you don't, you're stupid that doesn't help the cause very much. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:18:30):
Yeah. It's like a gold rush ity. There

Stacey Higginbotham (00:18:31):
Are actual use cases. Oh yeah. For distributed ledgers and blockchains there's. I mean, if I look at cryptocurrencies as an inin incentivization, I don't know. That was a way to incentivize people to like participate in like a network. So I'll go with helium because it's the most obvious of those, but there are several others that are coming around. Maybe that aren't as hyped as helium. And I, I think they might be a good incentive for like a distributed network. So I mm-hmm <affirmative>. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:19:08):
I, I, I, Stacey I think as a, I wrote a piece years ago now, 2015, talking about what I called credit, right. As an alternative to copyright where you want to have a way to record and reward contributions to a chain of creativity. I did that. Not knowing about Bitcoin, not knowing about, about crypto or blockchain, but in fact, what I wanna do could be done on the blockchain or another example I tweeted bunch today is, is that when I buy, I buying tons of used books lately cuz of research and I wish that the author could get, you know, 10 cents of it. Yeah. Well mm-hmm <affirmative> you could set up a contract, such that if the book gets resold something could happen. Of course the physical object. That's not so easy. I know, I know. I know. But you can imagine those kinds of models where say that there's an ongoing reward to someone and that it's okay to pass it along and, and, and profit from it. Cuz you do have first sale rights and you do own it, but, but you can also set it up so that it benefits others along the way along the chain of, of, of ownership, those

Stacey Higginbotham (00:20:05):
Kinds of things, then it would create a used market for digital books, which would actually be lovely.

Jeff Jarvis (00:20:10):
Yes. I'm kidding. If you had the rights to get them out of the <crosstalk> yeah. Don't sit in prisoned in, but yes.

Jason Howell (00:20:21):
By the way, yeah. Folks in chat were, were correcting us is no longer NFT by the way. It's NEFT apparently, apparently that's

Stacey Higginbotham (00:20:32):
To this, come on. Glad they brought this up because I have real strong feelings about this. And I saw this article and I was like one who is this? Like somebody who's just trolling a all with like a gift debate

Jason Howell (00:20:44):
Kind of felt like that.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:20:45):
And like hot dogs being a sandwich. Cuz that's what it feels like. <Laugh> I say it's not ne it's NIF. It's NIF. I did not obnoxious. I'm gonna insist on NIF. Just an NFT. Y'all really. We gotta say N I mean, who out there show of hands is gonna call it a NIFT. Heck

Jason Howell (00:21:03):
The bigger question is did y'all today?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:21:07):
Teach

Jason Howell (00:21:07):
Today Say fun.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:21:13):
Yes. Able like <laugh>

Jason Howell (00:21:18):
That just sounds wrong. 

Stacey Higginbotham (00:21:22):
Wait, what is the rationale for it being called a NF? I'm sorry. Have to go back to that's

Jason Howell (00:21:26):
That's a to

Stacey Higginbotham (00:21:27):
Question and, and know something you don't know. Yeah, no, come on. The verge wrote a whole article about it. It's gotta be something. What is it? Let's go find it

Jason Howell (00:21:36):
To be quite honest. I did not. I did not read the article. I saw the headline and I was like, yeah, now I don't even know.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:21:42):
It's not, well, that's what I did too, but maybe they've got a really good reason. Yeah. Stacey's always so nice. She always thinks that it's gotta be some people have to do things for weeks. No, I'm just a journalist. I wanna under like I know. All right. I'm I'm I'm reading the article. It's just taking forever to load

Jason Howell (00:22:02):
It's it's almost like in, I mean, in my very, very, you know, brief scanning of this, it's almost as if,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:22:11):
Oh no, this is just

Jason Howell (00:22:12):
The verge. Yeah. The, the folks think who wrote it had some sort of like a, a, a chat, like a slack chat or something like that, where they went off on this and then ultimately ended up writing an article. And like one of the points here is that N Ft is already filled when you phonetically spell it out with tons of ease. Therefore, why not just have it be ne as an E F T right. As a that's sigh clicked on it. SI I kinda don't. You know

Stacey Higginbotham (00:22:41):
What, though, those articles are pure gold. We used to do them all the time at kick home, our slack debates, over silly things and everyone clicks on them. It gets and the comments and we all talk about it on Twitter. It's kind of what the Internet's for.

Jason Howell (00:22:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true. That's very true. The other, the, the other part of the results were had to do at least that, that a lot of people were, you know, kind of writing about, had to do with a comment that Sunar Pacha CEO of the company made about the company's hardware division said in Q4, we set an all time quarterly sales record for pixel. This came in spite of an extremely challenging supply chain environment. So internally, like we don't actually know if the pixel six is their best selling pixel device yet. You know, we got the rest of the year of sales for, for it to get there. But Google sounds pretty pretty happy with the performance that it has received. And I'm kind of not surprised either if, if the performance was, was good. Google was very very vocal in the beginning about its plan to market the heck out of this device. Prior to it even being officially announced, there was a lot of energy and excitement about it. It's a very different looking piece of hardware. So it's really easily identifiable. When you go into a carrier are number of reasons why it would do better than their other pixels, but doesn't hold a candle to, you know, any of the other major hardware players. Let's, let's be honest. Google is not the next Samsung here with with their pixels and it's too

Stacey Higginbotham (00:24:17):
Heavy

Jason Howell (00:24:19):
And it's too premium. Miss Stacey is premium, not heavy. Yes,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:24:23):
Its too heavy for my look at floppy wrists. <Laugh>

Jason Howell (00:24:27):
Look, it

Stacey Higginbotham (00:24:29):
Has damaged me forever.

Jason Howell (00:24:32):
Yeah. You, you got rid of it, right? How is your wrist

Stacey Higginbotham (00:24:34):
By the way? I did get rid of it and my arm is getting better, but is still not great.

Jason Howell (00:24:40):
Still it hasn't recovered from the pixel six.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:24:43):
Wow. It wasn't the pixel six. I I, some shots in attending last week.

Jason Howell (00:24:48):
Oh, okay. Right. Gonna

Stacey Higginbotham (00:24:51):
That did not like the pixel six did not help my arm beforehand. Didn't help for the reason I needed the shots. So Sue 'em

Jason Howell (00:24:58):
<Laugh> <laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (00:24:59):
No, no, I just, instead I bought a pixel five and I'm so sad. I do not like that phone at all. You don't

Jason Howell (00:25:05):
Oh, oh

Stacey Higginbotham (00:25:06):
I'm sorry. Maybe it's a five. Is it a five? A no it's a five, a five, a it's a five a no, I got the five I had to buy it used. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:25:14):
What don't you like about it?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:25:16):
Exciting. I still have the camo case on it. <Laugh> I don't like that. It doesn't have a phone Jack. I, I just, it's just a boring, not very exciting. It's like a math. It just feels like, oh I upgraded, but I didn't really upgrade

Jason Howell (00:25:32):
Now. No, it's, it's kind of like C to six felt like an until the next,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:25:36):
The six felt like an upgrade, but it was an upgrade. I literally could not hold for very long. So I couldn't, I, I literally could not use it. So it was like, you know, it's kind of how I feel like when you go buy a car and all they've got is SUVs and you're like, but I just want a car. <Laugh>

Jason Howell (00:25:52):
<Laugh> I wish I got the six. Not a six one. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I, I wonder about that too. I mean, I do really love having a tele photo, so that's kind of the primary reason that like I want the six pro cause I have a lot of moments where I want to use the telephoto and I don't want a digital zoom if it wasn't for that, I probably would, would be absolutely fine with the six. I think the six, it was probably the better value all around yeah. Between the two, but, and then, and then there's the answer of the world who it, you know, all this kind of doesn't matter, it's just kind of a, a craptastic device. It sounds like you've you've been no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The device he

Stacey Higginbotham (00:26:35):
Hates Android 12 it's

Jason Howell (00:26:38):
12. That's right. That's right. The device is okay. But okay. But at what point do, do you find any sort of confusion separating the device from the OS? Cause I, I, I don't know through my experience, they're so intrinsically kind of connected to a certain degree, you know,

Ant Pruitt (00:26:53):
The pixel experience. I just think back to my previous, the, the previous phones that I've worked, worked with, the what have you and the OS got out the way the phones were not necessarily rated to be the best of the best kind of thing, but it didn't matter because the operating system allowed me to do whatever it was I needed to do. Where here with Android 12, you know, up until this last update, it was a buggy mess. Everything was just a flat out mess, any type of navigation, the freezing and crashing. And it, it, it, wasn't good. It's, it's, it's better now, but it's still not quite perfect.

Jason Howell (00:27:35):
Yeah. Yep. I don't think you're alone as far as, as far as, but I'm

Jeff Jarvis (00:27:40):
Glad they're selling because they'll make more of them and that's a good thing.

Jason Howell (00:27:43):
Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, there's, you know, there's been some leaks and some kind of details getting out there about the next a series, the pixel six, a sometime in may, it's gonna have, you know, it's gonna be a different a series phone. Mm-Hmm, <affirmative> my understanding. It's gonna kind of follow the design aesthetic of the six, which makes right. They'd wanna mm-hmm <affirmative> keep that, that so it'll be heavy. That family line <laugh>

Ant Pruitt (00:28:09):
Well, that's a good

Jason Howell (00:28:10):
Question. No, actually, because like, like, are the materials gonna be glass or is it gonna be plastic, you know, or, or some, which is what they've done on the Aeries prior is kind of go for a more plastic design instead of the glass. And that might reduce some weight. Is it gonna be smaller? Like, I don't really know the answer. We, you know, we don't have the answers. Those, all of this stuff

Ant Pruitt (00:28:30):
Is good and interesting or whatever, but I just wish Google would prioritize just core functionality of that operating system. There's been a lot of talk about this update, like this, we're just gonna do this. And this service will do that. This AI service will do that for you on the cloud and yada yada, yada, but yet just swiping through is, is a pain in the butt because it hangs so often or crashes. So often fix the core functionality before you get into all your bells and whistles. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:29:04):
What, what is it? Mine doesn't crash. What is it you tend to, is it, is it photographic stuff that makes it crash?

Ant Pruitt (00:29:09):
Well, this was before the update, but just, you know, swiping from the tray back up to your main screen or even going to the, the what's that feed all the way to the left, the news feed thingy swiping or whatever it is. Yeah. And even launching stories out that with crash it, you know, never, you're trying to get me to read this stuff and you won't let me read it cuz it's just constantly crashing. But it's, but that's way better now. Now I'm just seeing, I still see some Bluetooth toggles off here and there, but nowhere near as much as I used to. So I'm not even going to sweat that right now. Cuz that may be me doing it.

Jason Howell (00:29:49):
Yeah. Yeah. And what's so frustrating too, is when you're talking about a device, like, you know, like the pixel six is not, everybody has the same experience, right. Even when you're talking about software and, and hardware inconsistencies or frustrations, that one person has it, you know, when I ha when I experience something, it feels like this should be something that everybody that also has this phone has also experienced, but that isn't ever the case. Right? Yeah. Like there's a number of people that never experienced that. Yeah. And so like, so then you're left, you know, questioning what you just said, like, no, maybe it's just me and how I'm using my phone, but at the end of the day

Stacey Higginbotham (00:30:26):
Phone,

Jason Howell (00:30:27):
But I know even your Bluetooth should just

Ant Pruitt (00:30:28):
Work E even down to the whole fingerprint scanner thing in, in how much of an uproar that, cause I did see improvement on it. After that update, you know, so it it's, they worked on it. They just need to get, continue to work on that stuff a little bit more and prioritize just core functionality. Make sure you can actually use the dag gum phone before you start making it all cute.

Jeff Jarvis (00:30:52):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative>

Jason Howell (00:30:54):
<Laugh> yeah, but that'll never happen. <Laugh> yeah.

Ant Pruitt (00:30:58):
Cute is what sells. I get it. You know, that's that's what,

Jason Howell (00:31:03):
You know, cause they've got

Stacey Higginbotham (00:31:04):
So many different, you are giant heavy slabs of glass.

Jeff Jarvis (00:31:08):
Oh we, geez. I've gotta figure out I'm I'm not the grumpy one today. Two of you grumpy, like crazy. Wow. I'm not grumpy. Yeah. You are about giant heavy slabs of glass. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You're grumpy. You you're doing the, the, the floppy wrist. That's <laugh> complain.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:31:31):
Well, I've gotta earn my, my princess floppy hands moniker floppy.

Jeff Jarvis (00:31:35):
How is, how is your post shot treatment going?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:31:39):
It's getting better. I tried, I tried to have my husband help me to do hair and this is the result

Ant Pruitt (00:31:45):
<Laugh> he did a great job.

Jason Howell (00:31:48):
Looks great. Yeah. He,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:31:50):
He, he did a great job, but yeah, I'm, I'm still waiting. Talk to me in

Jeff Jarvis (00:31:54):
Another, is this is this, that moment when he asks you what it's done and you say it's fine.

Ant Pruitt (00:31:59):
Oh boy. Might please check on Mr. Andrew. <laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (00:32:03):
He's doing no, he did a great job. He's he was, I was like, look, I I'm dubious about this, but let's see what happens. And he's like, <laugh>

Jeff Jarvis (00:32:11):
All right.

Ant Pruitt (00:32:13):
Oh boy.

Jason Howell (00:32:14):
Oh look, he just wants to help. Yeah. He just wants to get in there. Help, you know,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:32:19):
You gotta, you gotta try. So let's see. We gonna talk about more Google stuff or Facebook medal

Jason Howell (00:32:25):
Earnings. Well, we could, yeah. I mean, I, I think we go from earnings to earnings and we get get these earnings out of the way the Facebook earnings just posted. I haven't had a chance to read through these cuz literally it happened right. As we were going to Showtime, has anyone pulled?

Jeff Jarvis (00:32:41):
I went through pretty quickly. I mean, it wasn't, it wasn't dreadful, but it was, but it was a warning saying that things aren't gonna be so quite so rosy in the future and that's what they buy as the future. And so but it took, it took a real, no stock, 20% drop in stock, one fifth of the value of the stock. I'm sure it's a, then can't balance. It'll come back up. But still mm-hmm <affirmative> a lot of stocks. All the tech stocks are testing new bottoms, you know, it's been happening in the last week and a half or so. And so Facebook hadn't, hadn't finished flying the bottom.

Ant Pruitt (00:33:11):
Do you think it's because of potential regulation?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:33:15):
Hold up, hold up. Y'all all right. Y'all are talking about a financial report only from the perspective of the stock market, as opposed to what they actually did. So I feel like we're like looking at the you're right, but there's 20% drop the shadow and Platos cave as opposed to the item. So real fast. Oh,

Jeff Jarvis (00:33:32):
Show it off there.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:33:34):
They, they dropped it because they didn't meet their analyst expect they only reported 10.3 billion in profit below a 10.9 billion profit. And, and they were, the profits declined a little. Okay. The same

Ant Pruitt (00:33:48):
Thing is, so that's why wall street was like every single year where apple is in trouble because they didn't meet the analyst expectations. Even though they made a

Jason Howell (00:33:58):
Gazillion, they were killing it. You yeah. Right.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:34:01):
Well, apple, apple, usually also

Jeff Jarvis (00:34:03):
Part of this is and found a way to, to, to bring the expectations down that was Apple's game for a long time.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:34:11):
Yeah. And the other thing is, you know, Facebook is like, Hey, y'all, we're gonna do this whole virtual reality metaverse thing. That's our new, that's our new gene. Right, right. And wall Street's like, all right, what a month and a half later, let's see how that's going. And you know what, it's going really poorly because the metaverse isn't real yet. They're just figuring. And you know, they're doing their, their reality labs unit that sells the hardware and stuff. They posted a 3.3 billion loss. And so wall street, all of a sudden is like, oh my God, you're betting the company on this. Ah, and freaked out. But you know what? They do that all the time. Like remember when they freaked out about Facebook, not having a mobile strategy. Yeah. To be fair. Facebook felt a little late on that. Facebook here, they feel a little early, but Facebook was like, well, we are the great evil empire. We'll do it.

Jason Howell (00:35:05):
Facebook had also, you know, definitely put out kind of the warning signals ahead of their earnings to say, you know, we're, this is, this is a different road that we're going, obviously with the metaverse and everything. I think they said that, you know, it's gonna cause a $10 billion hit in 20, 21 profit. And that the, the division would not be profitable anytime in the near future. So really kind of setting the groundwork. Not only that, I think the apple the apple decision that, that happened not too long ago with, you know, the privacy and apps and everything that kind of has a longer standing effect on Facebook that they, you know, they say they're still kind of struggling with, but at the end of the day, like, like you pointed out the companies do it. Okay. It's just, they said they were gonna be here and one centimeter below. That is where they actually were. And so right. <Laugh> so the stock market loses their mind, you know? Well, what does that mean? I don't know.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:36:07):
But so yeah, I mean, would I like to see Facebook just crash and burn utterly? Yes, I would love it, but you know, and also I would say, you know, the market is probably rightly asking questions that Facebook isn't doing a great job answering, partly cuz they don't know about, you know, antitrust and they're definitely in the crosshairs of the government. So that's a big uncertainty for all the tech companies going forward.

Jason Howell (00:36:30):
Yeah, indeed, indeed. This was the first earnings report by meta, by the way where they are actually breaking out their, a reality lab segment, which is their, their metaverse efforts division. And that unit posted a $3.3 billion loss. Just for, for giggles, there you go. You

Jeff Jarvis (00:36:51):
Know, I would think that Facebook would've been saying we've had such a good two weeks. Everybody's paying attention to Spotify

Jason Howell (00:36:56):
Nobody's yeah. Right.

Jeff Jarvis (00:36:58):
And then, then they release this report and it's oh heck, here we are. Again,

Jason Howell (00:37:03):
Happy Facebook meta meta. Yes, indeed. Meta. Yeah. Well you, you've got a nice little entree into Spotify. How about we do how about, how about we take a break and then we come back and we talk a little, little bit about the developments there because last week I think we were on like the, the cusp of things happening with Spotify and then this whole week it's been Spotify everywhere. Yeah. You know, it's, it's just been on ongoing. I would be

Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:31):
So grateful when I no longer have to think about Joe Rogan again.

Jeff Jarvis (00:37:35):
Yes.

Jason Howell (00:37:37):
Agreed. Wonder when that'll be or, or his people

Jeff Jarvis (00:37:39):
Who, when I went after Rogan, well they've been on me. Oh they think they're so clever.

Jason Howell (00:37:47):
Right. I don't know. I've seen those conversations. Don't know when you're not gonna yeah. Yeah, yeah. Let's let's take a break and then we'll talk all about that. That's a, that's a good teaser ahead. So this episode of This Week in Google is brought to you by half rank between deadlines and you know, frustrating interview tools that aren't set up for technical interviews, conducting a tech interview might be the last thing that you have time for. Well, you have to spend the first 10 minutes of your interview. Of course, just trying to set up an environment to share code from a dozen documents. This waste your time. It wastes your candidate's time. And so much more, unfortunately hacker rank has developed an IDE that's an integrated development environment just for the tech interview process with a set of easy to use interview tools.

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Jason Howell (00:40:24):
Ultimately Neil Young's music is no longer on Spotify as a result. And he's not alone. Jonie Mitchell. Nile's here. Log is lore Laron from the E street band Larin. Oh yeah. Thank you. Of course it is. I just had a typo. So others are kind of following. It really is. Apparently I, I live by typos today. Apologize. other people are following Neil Young's example. I don't know how much impact it's making on Spotify. I mean, Spotify really, it really seems like they're kind of doubling down and saying, Hey, we've got this, you know, this content policy, we're gonna let you see it and everything. But you know, we want diverse opinions and, and yada yada on the, on the Spotify platform. So I know what do you, what are you, what are your thoughts on this? So I, I, I

Stacey Higginbotham (00:41:18):
Have a question for Jeff because this, this to me feels a little bit different. Like Spotify mm-hmm, <affirmative>, you know, there's the argument that it is a content platform, you know, it can host whatever it wants. And I feel like there's a distinction between being a content platform and actually being more like a, a cable news station that's actually paying for a particular person or a content. So Jeff, do you think they're within their rights to argue that they're free to be a neutral content platform? Or are they more akin to like a Fox news that hosts someone like Tucker Carlson

Jeff Jarvis (00:41:54):
They're within their rights, it's a private company to do whatever they want. That's

Stacey Higginbotham (00:41:57):
Sorry. That's true. So are they being disingenuous in their arguments? Oh

Jeff Jarvis (00:42:02):
Yeah, I think, I think so. And, and, you know, I constantly argue that the internet is not a medium, that the platforms are not medium. They are a place where people talk, but Spotify is different because they hire Joe Rogan. They've pay him a hundred million. They own his rear end. And they're responsible for that. Now, what does, what does responsible mean responsible to whom responsible for the market responsible to who else wants to be associated with them or not? What advertisers wanna be associated with them or not? I, I listened to TWI this weekend, cause I was curious to hear the talk about, about that. Leo said that the, the the minimum in add, buy for Rogan now, pardon me, is a million dollars. Well, you know, somebody's gonna, that's not, oh yeah, we got put on the show by some automated stuff. No, you gonna spend a million dollars on Joe Rogan, then customers are gonna judge you, you by your association. So you're responsible to the market as a whole, the stock market critics, other artists and advertisers. And, and so right now, now your

Stacey Higginbotham (00:43:02):
Consumers, the people who pay for it yes. I feel like they're seeing the audience defection from the, a few small people in the audience and then a few content producers that they want on their platform.

Jeff Jarvis (00:43:14):
Yeah. I don't think you're ever gonna see. I mean, and, and, and, and it's not boycoting, by the way, in my mind, if, you know, I don't wanna associate with Joe Rogan. So I, I, I deleted Spotify from my phone. It's my perfect right. To do their perfect right. To have him. It's my choice in a marketplace and, and Rogan, I think only makes it worse. Of course his video, I thought was just pathetic where he didn't apologize to anyone, but Spotify, he basically said, oh, I'm sorry, Spotify.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:43:38):
On the back end, we'll be doing things like, I mean, look, I know, like as a journalist, sometimes I would get out ahead of my editorial people. Like when I, I may have actually called Comcast evil in fortune and you know, fortune back and they were like, look, Stacey, I don't wanna tell you like what to write that's right. But I'm gonna tell you that we're not gonna call Comcast evil in a headline. That's just not how we do it here. So it's possible that Spotify's having those same conversations in the backend with Joe rub and saying, look, you've gotten to this part.

Ant Pruitt (00:44:16):
Yeah. What happens if he actually has a, a, a contrasting view or, or somebody on the show that has a contrasting view from the things that he's been talking about. And that seems to get all the airways cuz I thought I heard him mention something along the lines of saying, Hey, I, I want to have a conversation. I want to have a conversation from both sides of the aisle. What happens if, if, if you know, with the masses, if he's actually putting his money where his mouth is and doing stuff like that due, but there's

Jeff Jarvis (00:44:46):
Not real, both sides to some of these things, but, but that's the problem. There's not there's there's science and then there's stupidity and, and, and ivermectin is not another side is not. And, and so what Rogan said was, well, I still want to have controversy. He kept on call. He called everybody who, who says wrong, unscientific, dangerous things. He calls them, calls them controversial. And then he drags his heels and says, well, I might have some other views on that is to say the experts. So he he's trolling the world. Media has become whether, whether it's making Elon Musk the person of the year on time or whether it's Joe Rogan, this doesn't just happen. Obviously in, in online, it happens now in all of media, in, in such a crowded marketplace. Trolling is now the business model. Well

Stacey Higginbotham (00:45:30):
In trolling is a little different. I mean, let's think back in the days of Howard stern or someone like Andrew D. Clay, both of those people got in a lot of trouble because they were sex. They, they were, they were, I would say misogynistic, but women hated them. They, they used terrible language and yeah. Were pretty, pretty misogynistic. And, and that was controversial and yeah, objectifying, all that good stuff. So if you look at that and that was the controversy at the time, today's controversy and, and that was a winning strategy for them. And I think controversy today is still a winning strategy. It's just more people are, I guess you're moving from like objectifying women to

Jeff Jarvis (00:46:20):
Public health, killing people with bad medical advice.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:46:23):
Yeah. I'm like,

Ant Pruitt (00:46:24):
I'd look at this dude. And I'm like, why does he have so much attention? And I guess I'm just in a real, real small minority because I've ever listen to this cat show. I have no desire to listen to his show. And the more I see stuff popping up on my Twitter feed or whatever about him off some group or whatever, the last thing I want to do is go and listen to him, off another group. It's it's why is he a mindset? Why does he earn so much attention from, from us? Spotify has a whole lot of other content that we can go and depend on and, and listen to and enjoy and not give this guy so much credit and attention to where Spotify's probably gonna give him even more money because he's just getting more eyeballs on their platform. Who knows that's how crazy this crap works nowadays.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:47:13):
Well, and there's a whole audience of people who are excited by that sort of thing. Like the boys will be boys' argument, maybe of Byon eras. Now it's the, so there's, there's definitely an audience. And you know, if you just mm-hmm <affirmative> you, we have always had media organizations that pan I'm so sorry. That's fine. We have always had really unethical media organization that pander to the lowest common denominator, and we will always have that going forward. And that's what this is. It's just that the type of pandering you do now in this particular era has like real world consequences that are killing people. You could actually argue. That's a big part. People arguing for antisemitism are, have also killed people and that's been a feature of papers forever. So mm-hmm, <affirmative> it's, I don't know. It's

Jason Howell (00:48:15):
Not, we're also in, we're also incredibly sensitive right now to the topic of health, right? At the which, which is not to say that this is not important any other time. But right now of all times in the past let's 10 years, everybody has like this idea of, of health and staying healthy and protecting ourselves from this, this nasty COVID thing on the mind. So when it comes to any sort of topic or, or, or conversation that, that, that does, <laugh> attempt to illuminate something that maybe goes against the mainstream. I think that, you know, people react much strong, much more strongly to that on either side, right on one side it's how dare you, you bring that person on because you know, this is, this is disproven and this is just, this is a false, this is false information. That's gonna make people, you know, sick or possibly kill them. And then on the other side, it's well, but the, you know, as Rogan said, right, I bring guests on that are highly credentialed, very intelligent, very accomplished people. And they have an opinion that is different from the mainstream narrative. That's what the other side of that equation is saying is, well, do I want to live in an environment where everything that I want, doesn't challenge this, this, you know, the mainstream narrative as, as Rogan puts it. And that's all wrapped up around this thing. We, the last there's three years fearing,

Jeff Jarvis (00:49:42):
But there's science at some level. Yes, no. We know that I re is not a proper treatment for COVID. And so to say, well, but people have that opinion. Yes. People have antic opinions too. So people have racist opinions too. So people have, have sexist and misogynistic opinions too, for sure. That doesn't mean we need to give it. And, and I think that, that I celebrate speech online. I, so I I'm, I'm mm-hmm <affirmative> with these folks about that. I celebrate the fact that voices too long, not heard in mass media are heard now mm-hmm <affirmative> to my mind, what we need to build is the next layer, which is a layer of recommendation and authentication and fact checking and, and relevance finding and, and finding the stuff that's worth listening to. And that's what the need need to become. Now.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:50:27):
That's what Rogan actually advertises himself as he brings on people with ideas and lets them have in depth conversation. Now I may look at Joe Rogan and be like, well, that is not a guy I would listen to based on his lack of science credentials. Right. Whereas I might be like, Hey, Rachel, Meow, you're my bud. Cuz you really seem to understand and do the research on things. A lot of has said, yeah, Joe, Rogan's like, yeah, I don't really do a lot of research. I know research. And so he's I just have a conversation. Yeah, yeah. Right. So some people, I mean, people will always find that interesting. 

Jeff Jarvis (00:51:07):
But the reason the Spotify is doing it is because, you know, he supposedly has 11 million listeners. I don't necessarily believe that number neither to Leo on Twitter. But yeah, he has, he has a for, for this world, he has a big audience, right? The New York times is celebrating right now. They just got 10 million subscribers. Cause they bought the athletic Joe Rogan by that measure is bigger than the New York times switch. Of course is ridiculous if I know it, but, but, but that's, we're still in a mass scale business where, where, where subscription revenue or advertising revenue still goes to scale rather than to quality. And, and that's just no, no. I think

Stacey Higginbotham (00:51:42):
The case places. Yeah. I, no, I think it goes, I feel like I am quality or over scale and I have, that's what I, yes, lovely revenue and I make money off of it and it's, it's fine. So I think, I think the

Jeff Jarvis (00:51:59):
Mass and less of that is what I'm saying.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:52:00):
Well, I think the mass mindset you will always get, if you, if you want to get to the mass, you're gonna have to buckle up and accept the con is there's no

Jeff Jarvis (00:52:10):
Such thing as a mass. That's what I'm saying. What I'm saying, Stacey is that, is that immediately think there is a more of you and less of that. I don't, no. I think a mass is an insult. Mass says that people are the same. And, and so it becomes this target of talking down to people who have no identity and who have no respect. There is an

Stacey Higginbotham (00:52:26):
Audience, we draw them. There's an audience, there's an audience for people who want that. And there, you know what, I'm that audience after the end of a long day in certain areas, not in generic newsy things, cuz that's what I care about. Like that's my job. But like I will totally page through Vogue or vanity fair and be like, ha ha. Those are probably not as massive comes.

Jeff Jarvis (00:52:49):
That's not bad. Yeah. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:52:52):
But you get the point. Like I would, I would want like wander through like bustle or

Jeff Jarvis (00:52:58):
You're, but you're not going to weekly, weekly world news. Joe Rogan is the equivalent to weekly world news.

Ant Pruitt (00:53:05):
How is he of other people of weekly world news? That's what I don't understand. How does he, even it to that, what the heck is wrong with our society? You know, it's not, everybody

Jeff Jarvis (00:53:14):
Is a lot of people

Stacey Higginbotham (00:53:15):
Like weekly

Jeff Jarvis (00:53:16):
World news at most. It's true percent of the society watching listen to Joe Rogan, it's a tiny portion of society. And so, but we act as if, if it's big, we, we extrapolate as if that's everybody. It is not, no I not. Fox news is a tiny proportion of society. Yeah. The new times is proportion of society. Right? Impact as if scale is all that is, is, is what matters in judging their impact and their importance. And it's not,

Ant Pruitt (00:53:47):
I've not listened to his show, but I have watched, I do recall watching a couple of his YouTube snippets because of the people he, he had on there. Like he usually have some power lifters and, and people like that on there. And, and cuz he is got a fitness background. So I was, I would tune into that cuz YouTube's algorithm knows, huh? Ant likes watching people lift weights and bodybuilders and, and those conversations were, were fascinating. And that was the end of it. That was the end of my relationship with Joe Rogan because that's, that's all he earned. No, no more than that period. And I just don't see why this cat continues to get so much attention, especially from people that I don't know that, that, that I know can do better and have better taste. You know, why you giving this dude so much attention stop. It's not, it's

Jeff Jarvis (00:54:37):
Not worth it. But, and is it some of this, these days that there's, there's, there's kind of a thorough going anti-institutional world and, and being against doesn't matter what you're against, you're against something is sufficient. It's contrarian this. Right. And I got accused of that cuz I take opinions that, that aren't Leo's right. Leo takes opinions that aren't mine. Right? And so, so that's part of the dynamic of what we do too. But, but to, to dislike and want to dismantle the institution for its own sake to be seen that way is a lot of what's going on these days. And a lot of institutions need to be challenged and, and need to change. And I'm not defending all the institutions. I just wrote a testimony to the Senate, arguing that the, the news industry is an institution that needs to be challenged. But, but it's this it's for its own sake. It's, it's the ness for on sake, which is where we are right now. And that's not productive and it's not constructive and it's not useful. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>, it's where we are.

Ant Pruitt (00:55:39):
It is, you mentioned the whole qualifier of, of having people go in and do more fat checking and, and, and raising awareness about, okay, this is, this is a fact, this is an opinion. When is that gonna happen? Because we we're this Joe Rogan, or whether it's the New York post, we're still just gonna get click baby discussions that are controversial and usually are all just opinion. And it's gonna R up society and get people. Oh, no, Tussy for no reason. When, when is this gonna change? <Laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (00:56:13):
Never cause that's what drives clicks. That's what engages people. That's our tribalism at play. I mean, you have to rise love and when you do, yeah, it's super boring. And that's why we always come back to things like gift

Jason Howell (00:56:26):
Versus why I I'm a boring person, I guess then, or NFP versus NFT. <Laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (00:56:31):
Yeah. You're so reasonable

Jeff Jarvis (00:56:33):
Met <laugh> important issues like

Jason Howell (00:56:36):
NP important things. Yes. Right.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:56:40):
I know that. I just put a story in quick takes. I don't really know if it belongs there, but we should talk about it because it's bonkers and that is it. Let's see it. But we could do it later. It is line 37. That's right. I did a Jeff Jarvis

Jason Howell (00:56:54):
Line. You pulled a Jarvis. I see it.

Jeff Jarvis (00:56:56):
I see it. I don't see it. Questions. Do I use one of my wired stories of the month or not all the way

Jason Howell (00:57:01):
Through you to, oh, is it? Yeah, it's true. I,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:57:05):
I have a

Jason Howell (00:57:05):
Description. How about this before we get to that story? First of all, I, I wanna circle back one, one quick moment to Jeff and then we'll get to your story, Stacey. Okay. Jeff, you wrote this post on medium, and I'm curious to hear your take, cause you, you only just briefly mentioned it in the context of this Spotify news, but I, I want to give you the chance to kind of set that up a little bit, cuz I, I read some of it, but I, I want to hear, hear what you have to,

Jeff Jarvis (00:57:32):
Say's nice to ask Jason. It's it's another, it's another Jeff I'm being political. I will confess here. There's a subcommittee hearing today that ended this afternoon. The judiciary subcommittee breaking the news. And what upsets me here is that people in our industry and journalism are now lobbyists, the actual news organizations and their publishers and their associations. They're what we're trade associations are now lobbying associations. And I find that to be horr break from the int and integrity of journalism. We're supposed to be watching people in power, not asking favors of them, but that's, what's going on is that the news industry is going for protectionist legislation and regulation. And we've talked about it lots of times in this show in Australia, we've talked about it in Germany and the EU. We've talked about it in the UK. Well, it's happening in the U and Canada it's happening in the us now.

Jeff Jarvis (00:58:27):
And so there was a house hearing earlier in today's Senate hearing. So it doesn't mean anything. And I sent it to my Senator who was Corey Booker and try to get it in the record. My last one was in the record, who cares? It's there. That's, it's cool. But I put it up on medium. And, and part of what I'm saying here is that I, I love news. I love newspapers and magazines. I care about the future of journalism. We all do, but it's not necessarily in the best hands with the legacy. People who have owned it. The majority of newspapers chains in this country are now controlled by hedge funds. And I worked with one of them. I was on, I was on an advisory board for on the companies they owned and I know that they don't fund innovation. And I know some of these tax breaks and credits are gonna go to the pockets of the limited partners, not to the journalists, not to the public.

Jeff Jarvis (00:59:13):
And so I just wanted to be contrarian and say Senate, before you act as if all these newspaper publishers are, pures driven, snow and wonderful think twice about, about the news we want and, and the news that we need and the kind of innovation we need and not just protecting the past. So that was my political spiel. And at the same time, by the way, it was interesting that the intercept dropped a report about how media companies are lobbying against regulation of advertising targeting because they depend upon it. Now there on contrarian is that I think we gotta have advertising and we gotta have targeting in some form find to regulate it. But so I'm, I'm not in line with the CEP says, but there again is an example of media companies that are charged with watching government watching institutions of power now asking favors from them to protect their business. That's not right. So that was it. Thank you for asking. Yeah,

Jason Howell (01:00:18):
Absolutely. Thank you for walking through that. Appreciate it. And then there was North Korea hacking some

Jeff Jarvis (01:00:25):
Dude, then we get to bunkers North Korea and

Jason Howell (01:00:27):
Then some dude hacking North Korea back this, right? So here's the Stacey was setting up. Yeah. Tell us about it.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:00:35):
I will save you a click, but essentially a security researcher, an individual security research goes by, I P four X. He realized that his, he was getting hacked and he was trying to figure out why. And he realized it was North Korea and he was kind of miffed about this because nation states attacking an individual security researcher seemed unfair. Stacey, had

Jeff Jarvis (01:00:59):
He done something in North Korea to, to, to warrant this or they just kind of picked him up? No, this

Stacey Higginbotham (01:01:03):
Is part of like a general like nation state, just checking in on, you know, people like every, every nation tracks hackers in other nations, they, they all, it's part of the, like I see it might be participating actively in the zero day market, but it might just be like, they know who's active in security research. We were watching North Korea. Right. Well, both that. And just to see, like from you has this guy figured out anything cool that we can steal. Great. So it really upset P four X and nobody did anything. So that, that didn't sit well with him. So he said, you know what, F I'm gonna hack him back. So here's his quote. It felt like the right thing to do here. If they don't see, we have teeth, it's just going to keep coming, said the hacker. I want them to understand that if you come at us, it means some of your infrastructure is going down for a while. So P four X went and found unpatched vulnerabilities in north Korean internet systems and basically took the country's internet down using DDO.

Jeff Jarvis (01:02:06):
So he's the guy who did that. We mentioned that last week that was down. Yes. So he's the guy who did that. Wow.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:02:10):
He's that guy. And he was doing it that's because he felt. So this is the debate about hack backs, but I just thought it was bonkers that this dude in his pajamas has the power to take down Korea's internet or north Korea's internet.

Jason Howell (01:02:28):
Yay. Such <laugh> such as the internet in 2022. Right. <laugh> so many people have, you know, so much power. Yeah. They can just do it from their pajamas comfortable.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:02:40):
And the writing is the living room, you know, it's, it's wired. So it's really good wire. It's good writing, you know they're yeah. Wow. So here I'll, I'll do this cuz as a, as a journalist, I like it. But responsibility for north Korea's ongoing internet outages. Doesn't lie with us cyber commander, any other state sponsored hacking agency. And it was the work of one American man and a t-shirt pajama pants and slippers sitting in his living room at night after night, watching alien movies and eating spicy corn stacks and periodically walking overdose home office to check on the progress of the programs he was running to disrupt the internet of an entire country. Geez. Aw.

Jason Howell (01:03:20):
Oh,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:03:22):
Okay. So that was my bonkers cybersecurity story of the,

Jason Howell (01:03:24):
Love it. Right on. Thank you for throwing that in there. I missed that somehow. Somehow I missed that. It just came out

Stacey Higginbotham (01:03:31):
Today.

Jason Howell (01:03:32):
Literally came out stories. Yeah. Stories that we haven't talked about yet. <Laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (01:03:39):
All right. That's what I was Android tablets. I know. I just we'll get, get back to it.

Jason Howell (01:03:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No. So, so here's what I was thinking is I don't what, where are we at right now? Oh yeah. I think we're, we're about good for for a break. And how about on the other side of the break? Nothing but Google it's like nothing but whoa. It's Google. Whoa. We got out of Google. A Google show about Google. Talk

Stacey Higginbotham (01:04:05):
About, talk about surprising our

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Our crowd.com/twig. And we thank our crowd for their support of This Week in Google. All right. So Google all the time here, I guess we can start with this one, which doesn't really have a whole lot it, but man, did it get a lot of attention? It seemed like everybody was, was talking about, oh wait, Android tablets are coming back. Google's getting serious about Android tablets. Basically this has to do, you know, there were a couple of articles Jr. Ray feel from computer world and then nine to five Google spotted a job opening, essentially. There's like a number of things happening right now. Android 12 of L is right on the cusp, right? They're testing the beta that's meant for foldable devices, but inherently because foldable devices become larger devices. It ends up also being really good for tablet form factors. So there's that happening?

Jason Howell (01:07:53):
Nine to five, Google spotted a job listing for a senior engineering manager of the Android tablet app experience. And in reading through that, there's one quote. We believe that the future of computing is shifting towards more powerful and capable tablets. So that ends up being a clue from from Google that, you know, perhaps they're kind of putting more effort and energy into their tablet ecosystem. And then Jr. Rayfield who I mentioned from computer world also spotted that rich minor, who is a co-founder of Android is actually now he had, he had stepped away from Android for a while to work on other projects he's now back and has involvement with the tablet efforts. And of course, anytime of this comes up anyone who's been following Android for a while you know, is, is reminded of the nexus seven, which was Google's Android tablet product to beat, I suppose, because when it came out seven or eight years ago, I can't remember how long it was at this point. It was a really fantastic tablet and everybody was excited about it. And then somewhere along the line, Google does what it does. And it just kinda like dropped the football, I guess. But do any of you have have any optimism that Google can reinvigorate Android tablets and make it compete, I suppose, with the iPad at this point, it feels late to me, but what do you guys think? Nope,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:09:14):
I do. I really okay. Here's my thinking. All right. These are very small data points I use today, an iPad as my home tablet for connecting gadgets that everyone in the family needs to control, but the gadget makers are idiots and haven't made it possible for multiple account holders. Right? So that way everyone, my husband and I can both control it despite having two phones. Right. So there is a demand or need for like that sort of device in homes with smart home stuff. There's also like we individuals in my house grab either the iPad or the iPad mini to wander off and watch their television shows almost no one watches TV on the big TV. So I think there's a market for more tablets that are maybe more economical. My mom freaking loves her tablets. She had a, a Android tablet. Then she got like a Samsung tablet. And then she got like a Kindle, not a Kindle and Amazon fire

Jason Howell (01:10:18):
Tab, fire, fire tablets. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:10:20):
Yeah. She's so desperate for a tablet. That's not as expensive as an iPad that she will buy an Amazon fire tablet. I mean, I feel like there's a market there,

Ant Pruitt (01:10:30):
But doesn't Samsung already own that space or people that are just looking for something less expensive than an iPad, cuz their tablet seems to be okay.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:10:40):
Yeah. But don't you want more? I feel like people love more options, but maybe that's just me, Jeff, you're a

Jeff Jarvis (01:10:46):
Tablet, you know, I loved, I loved love, love, loved love. My next is seven. Yeah. I cried when it became obsolete. Oh. And I complained and I stopped my did all kinds of immature, horrible things. And so I was thinking, well, what, what if it came back? One idea is I think what, what Google was playing with was trying to come up with Chrome tablets. No, I love the Chrome OS, but to run apps on Chrome is GY as hell still. It doesn't work. So that was a, that was a big detour that went nowhere. In my view, I'll be really curious to hear J you know, Dr. Android's view of this <laugh> you know, so going him back to Android tablets would make sense. The question is, do I really need anymore? Would I have this, you know, phone that weighs according to Stacey 40 pounds <laugh> and then big, I actually,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:11:44):
When I complained, I gave you the actual weight of the phone. It is

Jason Howell (01:11:48):
Roughly half a pound

Jeff Jarvis (01:11:49):
<Laugh>. Okay. Roughly

Stacey Higginbotham (01:11:51):
It's Al it's seven point something else,

Jeff Jarvis (01:11:53):
Just too much for Stacey's wrist scale, <laugh> floppy wrist, boom, floppy wrist scale. So you know, do I need a tablet now? And part of the problem is I'm not traveling anymore. What I loved the tablet for was I would watch it was, it was small to carry and I'd watch it. And I had a bigger laptop. My laptop now is tiny and thin. You know, it's a Google product. So as much as I loved it, I don't know that I, I see a market need myself for it right now. I think you're right. Stacey. I think that there are needs, I don't, I don't think it's very big, I think. And to your point about Samsung is that people, some people are still allergic to Samsung CRUT on it. So, you know, a Google pure Android version of a tablet would be nice and I might get it cuz I get, you know, I get stupid things. I don't need a point of privilege. But yeah, I don't know that there's a big business there. Dr. Android. What do you think

Jason Howell (01:12:48):
<Laugh> Dr. Android. I feel like I need a name tag at this point. Or laptop. Oh, that, that that's even better. I like that a lab coat a green lab coat <laugh> yeah, I, I don't know how feels like this is, this is one of those, one of those things where Google has tried and failed and tried and failed. Like I get the same taste in my mouth about tablets on Android, as I do about wearables on, you know, running Android mm-hmm <affirmative> is that Google has been really interested and excited about it and then wavered and then got excited about it again. And then, you know, the point. Yeah. And even after that with wearables, like, okay, cool. So they, they released the new wears, you know, last year and had a, had a, a primary device, you know, with Samsung, the galaxy watch for, to launch it with, and then we haven't really heard much about it.

Jason Howell (01:13:41):
It's just kind of like, you know, maybe there's some action there, maybe there isn't, but is it lighting in the wearable world on fire? I, I don't know that it necessarily is yet not saying that it couldn't at some point and I kinda get that same feeling about tablets. Like, man, they, you, you know, if, if their strategy right now is, Hey, we're getting serious about tabs, cuz we think it's the future. They're about 10 years behind the bus. That's leading that charge <laugh> and, and they were in a good position then to do something about it. <Laugh> and so it's just kinda like really now, okay. Like sure, you gotta be in all places and maybe, maybe Google's hardware division, you know, it really does seem like, you know, there, there is more energy and attention in their hardware division to pay to all these different things.

Jason Howell (01:14:27):
You know, we hear rumors about a pixel watch. We hear, hear rumors about a, a pixel foldable. I'm sure there there's some sort of a pixel tablet or something like that that might come out. So, you know, maybe this is just part of their effort to like be in all places and have a hero device to point to. But and, and I would totally support it. It doesn't address the chicken and egg scenario of the, a fact that having the hardware is one thing, having software that works really well with it is another. And if 12 L is the thing that makes that happen great. But then you still gotta get developers excited about it. And that's just seems like a really tall hill to climb.

Ant Pruitt (01:15:07):
That's what I wanted to ask miss Stacey about was just the hardware side of things chip wise, because apple has the, the pro the iPad pro and they're running their own apple Silicon. And I think it's nice. It it's from a productivity standpoint, it is, it's quite nice. Is this the time where Google has the opportunity to, to be able to, even with this pandemic and the supply chain stuff, can they still have some have enough to be able to create a, a tablet that's gonna be powerful, like the iPad pro and, and still draw developers in because I, I, well, developers

Stacey Higginbotham (01:15:47):
Are building. Okay. no, I just thinking, like, if you're using basic Android apps, you know, on the tablet, which is what I would assume they would do, mm-hmm <affirmative> then they're fine. Like, you're probably not gonna get someone to develop specifically for your, like a tablet form factor. But that's gonna run like a snap dragon, which is an R base chip and which developers are already built building apps for. So I don't know, like, I don't think Google's gonna build their own chips for their tablet experience, unless they're gonna just fundamentally rethink what a tablet is and can do. Right. Right. I mean, we're roughly, if you look at like eras of like, when the iPad came out, we could be due for new form factor. I know we talked like, that's why I'm excited about foldable phones. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> my hunch is the form factor coming next. Might take a little wire while, and it's gonna be holographic versus, you know, another slab of glass, but I could be wrong. And if they're thinking about a new form factor for that, then they would need that kind of and ship support. But I don't think they're doing that. They're not like super innovative on the hardware side, I guess.

Jason Howell (01:17:02):
Yeah. Is what I'm yeah. I think you're right.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:17:04):
They'll buy somebody who's doing, they'll buy the danger equivalent of the holographic thing

Jeff Jarvis (01:17:08):
Or whatever, you

Jason Howell (01:17:09):
Know. Right, right. Yeah. They tend, they tend to buy for a lot of that stuff, you know? What was it Fitbit for for the wearables and, and that

Jeff Jarvis (01:17:18):
Was a late deal. Fitbit has always to me, and since they haven't done much with it, I'm just

Jason Howell (01:17:22):
Like the hell are they haven't no, totally, totally. And with that it's who, what was the glasses? Any that they bought? Was it focal? You know, and now we're hearing, you know, the I can't remember if it was focal or what the name of the glasses company that they bought, but that that's fueling, you know, their development of of AR glasses stuff that then the next generation of Google glass, even though Google glass still exists and Google was there first, but, you know, so so even when they buy to, to give themselves a leg up, sometimes it doesn't really, it's not really obvious whether, whether it made sense or not, you know, it's like, okay, well, they did that. And I get why they did that. But what did you do with it? I don't even know. Yeah. I would love to.

Jeff Jarvis (01:18:04):
So what product was focals?

Jason Howell (01:18:07):
It was focal. You would,

Jeff Jarvis (01:18:10):
The company was the product vocals, sorry. It's right.

Ant Pruitt (01:18:14):
Oh no. I'm saying I would love to have a, a, a watch that's running just pure, clean Android, a smart watch that with Google assistant and all the bells and whistles that actually runs, but Android wear in my experience a couple years ago. Terrible. It's horrible is horrible. Its horrible. You know? So why would I believe it's worse than

Jeff Jarvis (01:18:36):
Android

Ant Pruitt (01:18:36):
12 <laugh> yes. Yes. You know, Sherman

Jeff Jarvis (01:18:42):
Take the way back machine Dr. Android, Sherman, Sherman, Android, Dr. Sherman, Android Sherman take the way back machine to the last day. So the next is seven. Why do you think Google let it drop. It was a beloved product. I don't know how much it sold, but it was beloved product. It was a good product. Why do you think that they got bored with it just general Google boredom or was there a market reason? God,

Jason Howell (01:19:04):
That's a really good question. I'm trying to

Ant Pruitt (01:19:08):
Comparison to the iPad.

Jason Howell (01:19:11):
You don't was a different remember selling that many. Yeah. Yeah. Very different product. And I mean apple was, it was pocket size And the iPads with the iPad. Yeah, totally. Totally. Yeah. I, I can't remember. I'm having a hard time re putting myself in the way machine. Was it remembering the market forces or whatever was going on at that point?

Jeff Jarvis (01:19:30):
Was it the fabs at, at the Samsung that killed it? Was it, I'm just trying to remember. I'm I'm just why, why would they get out of it and then come back to it now? And I think your point about timing is really right.

Jason Howell (01:19:40):
Yeah. yeah. I mean, I, I, I couldn't tell you right off the top of my head the, you know, I'm having to resort to Wikipedia right now to try and kind of remind myself, but that the, the last nexus seven lasted until June 28th. It was the fourth, most popular tablet used in the world. Fourth, most popular tablet used in the world. That's a pretty, that's a pretty notable stat there. Right? Like, so Google was

Stacey Higginbotham (01:20:10):
Doing something. No, we didn't have that many tablets. Well,

Jason Howell (01:20:13):
That's true. That's true. Right. <laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (01:20:15):
Like, wait a second. Like dead last,

Jason Howell (01:20:17):
Hold on. If iPad was one and then you have everything else. Fourth probably does it. Yeah. Matter that much when you don't have that many out there, but still was ke <laugh>. Yeah. Sorry. I mean, still the, the next is seven was a, was a really great start and yeah, I don't know the reason why Google didn't continue to kind of develop it and iterate it. I think part of it had, probably has to do with just the fact that like their whole hardware effort prior to the hardware division, as it now under Greg Olo you know, and being kind of like a pixel family and everything, it was all in that like nexus era where they were making deals with other companies anyways, it wasn't truly theirs. And I think it was just, it was just kind of murky what exactly it was like, we understood why they were creating these nexus hardware to get, give some sort of like a, a hero device for developers to use and know this is the true Android, but, but outside of that, like what was the motivation for them to keep continuing to create these hardware?

Jason Howell (01:21:19):
Certainly wasn't to sell devices because they were hardly selling these things. Maybe the next is seven, but even then that's still, you know, it's part of the, this line and the nexus line ultimately was kind, it was kind of like an experiment. It seemed like to me anyways. So I, I just don't think Google really got serious about hardware until recently. Didn't recognize why they should be still seems like a bad time to get serious about hardware right now.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:21:46):
I don't think Google serious about anything. I really don't. I'd like, I'm not kidding. I think I know really smart people. Yeah. Other than ads, which it makes sense. That's the bulk of the revenue and they know they need to like figure something out, but it's, you know, how they joke about like changing the engine while the plane's going down, Google knows that one day their plane is gonna go down, but it hasn't. And, and maybe it's like slowly losing altitude, like by a meter each year. Yeah. But it's at no point ready to rush. And it's just like, oh, well let's grant this person, the power to change the engine and see what they come up with. You know? And I just feel as like,

Jason Howell (01:22:32):
As long as the ad machine is still chugging along, everything else is kinda like, eh, well, let's just see what happens. And I mean, you know, we've heard time and time again, kind of the incentivization inside of Google. If you are an engineer, at least my understanding of this anyways, is if you are an error or a creator of, of one of these services or whatever, you know, you, you get this thing to a certain point and your incentive is to it's, it's almost like you graduate from that to something else. Right? Google recognizes your brilliance and they move you to a different place. And when that happens, it seems like these things rarely survive. It's it's like they needed the energy of that person to really kind of be the one to go to bat for it. And once that person is gone, because that's their incentive, right. That they end up getting paid more, they get more accolades, all that kind of stuff. Then the product dies on the vine and is not, you know, tenable long term or that certainly doesn't ultimately at a Rhodes customer trust. I feel like that's, that's where we end up in this position where we're like, Google kills everything good because, and we don't, we don't believe anymore that anything is long for this world coming from Google. Maybe I'm speaking for myself, but I think there's a lot of that. Right.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:23:46):
And they throw their spaghetti at the wall. Yeah. But they're also like, how do you measure if the spaghetti sticks when you're measuring it against what is it? 80% of 200 billion in totally. I mean, right. Nothing looks good next to that. Nothing.

Jason Howell (01:24:02):
Yeah. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:03):
So my guys have had a really interesting theory that I put, I put that in my number just so I would get to it so we can do it now. That said that what, we're, what we might be seeing in Google's report and Facebook's report is Tim cook that by cutting off the visibility on data and advertising people went back to search, went back to Google, like crazy and they abandoned Facebook. And then he has a, there's two tweets in a row there. The next one after the one I, I link to looks at Pinterest and Twitter and other companies that depended upon apple for data in a way that Google does not. So I find that rare, interesting as a, as a, if you go to my to the rundown under, under my number. Oh, okay. Sorry. I guess I need to give a line number 1 46. Yeah. That's what I was waiting

Jason Howell (01:24:58):
On. <Laugh>

Jeff Jarvis (01:25:01):
1 46. So the charts are there. Yeah. So, so it goes to your point state, see, is that, is that you've got 80% of 200 billion, right? It's still, if you put attention into that, that's still where the money is and yeah. It's not 96% anymore and yes you do. Yes. They need to get higher than 6% share for cloud versus 40% for Amazon. There's growth there too, but that's hard. It's so hard. Yeah, yeah,

Jason Howell (01:25:30):
Yeah. There we go.

Jeff Jarvis (01:25:33):
Ooh,

Jason Howell (01:25:34):
Charts, charts, beautiful. The audio listeners, love charts. <Laugh> <laugh> they love what we don't sit anything. All right. We've got other of Google stories here to talk about. What should we talk about? Is there anything that, that stood out to you to y'all from this last week going on with Google, there was, what was it? Yeah. Well, I'll surprise you. Yeah. Go for it. When you hit this stuff and you

Ant Pruitt (01:26:03):
Used the tablet.

Jeff Jarvis (01:26:05):
So I'm gonna agree with Republican about re adding regulation to Google. Mm.

Ant Pruitt (01:26:14):
Okay. How's go on. Okay.

Jeff Jarvis (01:26:15):
I've always said that Google's Achilles heel when it comes to, regulation's not search, it's not shopping. It's not any of that. It's advertising. And Mike Lee Republican is about to introduce a bill that goes after Google's control of the buy side and the sell side and the marketplace in between, and, and at a, at a, at a architectural level, I agree that having one party be dominant in those three parts of any transaction is trouble and needs investigation, if not regulation. So put this in the history books that I said, this may be a good idea, a good way to, to approach regulation when it comes to, to, to Google in the area that matters where, where they have domination, which is advertising

Ant Pruitt (01:27:09):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative> hold on. Excuse me. I think I hear hell freezing over

Jeff Jarvis (01:27:12):
<Laugh>.

Ant Pruitt (01:27:14):
It is sloshing cracking noise. Yes. Ice melts. And it

Jeff Jarvis (01:27:21):
Was for our, for our audio listeners. Yes.

Jason Howell (01:27:25):
Yeah. This has to do with the, with, with Google being the broker for a buyer or seller,

Jeff Jarvis (01:27:32):
I'm trying to both a buyer and a seller. Yes. Buyer

Jason Howell (01:27:35):
And the seller that's right. Yeah. Right. While simultaneously owning the exchange, I'm reading from the article where, where the ad space is traded. Yeah. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (01:27:45):
And, and how much they take out of every transaction. There's an argument here that I don't know how much they do, and it's not just them taking stuff out it's agencies and others as well. But when, when an advertiser buys space, time, people, whatever you wanna call it now, advertising the guardian did some experiments a couple years ago where they bought their own ads just to see how much actually landed in their bank at the end of it. And a lot got taken out along the way by various parties. Mm-Hmm

Ant Pruitt (01:28:14):
<Affirmative> not just Google.

Jeff Jarvis (01:28:17):
All right. That was my turn. Stacey and

Ant Pruitt (01:28:21):
Oh, more I was reading about Facebook. Oh, sorry. Chrome. Yes. <Laugh>.

Jason Howell (01:28:29):
Yeah.

Ant Pruitt (01:28:29):
Well, ChromeOS story with the gaming capabilities. I thought that was pretty fascinating. Even though it still doesn't quite sell stadia, it just says, Hey, we're gonna put another hardware out there that you could play games, you know, such as stuff that's on steam. You know, there's one mention of stadia <laugh> in this case. I mean, there's,

Jason Howell (01:28:52):
There's so much cloud gaming happening, you know, in all different directions. Stadia is just one, one component of it. And I mean, there's no reason why Chromebooks couldn't participate. Right. That's if that's what it's all about, streaming from the web, I think it makes perfect sense that there would be gaming Chromebooks. I mean, I don't know what, what exactly makes a gaming Chromebook that it has, you know LEDs behind the keys <laugh> yeah. There

Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:17):
Was like a super 5g connection and yeah.

Jason Howell (01:29:23):
But yeah, I think that makes perfect sense. 

Ant Pruitt (01:29:25):
I'm not too thrilled about it being something that you would have to run in a virtual machine. At least that's what it says here on nine to five Google. But I guess they gotta start somewhere. Do any I'm I'm assuming you guys don't game like that, but I'm wondering if, if any of our other listeners that are all Prolex and things like that, are they using VMs to do gaming or are they just doing it natively through the cloud? Good question. Any survey says watching the chat and nobody says anything <laugh>

Jason Howell (01:29:58):
They're like, we're not a gaming audience. Yeah. Some of them, our gamers, but yeah, I think that makes sense though, to, to have a, a gaming Chromebook. Sure. I don't know how many people are gonna rush out and buy them, but I think it, you know, it will, it will suffer the same kind of challenges that regular Chromebooks have is like, why would I spend the, the money on a gaming Chromebook when I can spend the money on a gaming piece,

Ant Pruitt (01:30:22):
On an actual game in rig blah,

Jason Howell (01:30:24):
Blah, blah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Ant Pruitt (01:30:28):
Truck is behind me. Sorry. It's loud.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:30:31):
It's all good. My, my story that I am super questioning is the story about Google's cloud business, trying to build features for blockchain developers <laugh> and what's whackadoo about this story, who is by actually my mentee Jordan. So I he's, he's a savvy smart fellow which is why he's pointing out the weird hypocrisy happening here, which is a lot of people focused on blockchain and distributed ledgers are also worried about the power of too many people owning. They do it, they do a lot of lip service to too many companies, you know, having a chunk of the internet and the centralization of that power. So it's weird that Google's like, so he is, he's pointing out that it's weird that Google's trying to build something for people who ultimately hate the fact that Google is one of the three cloud providers. Although as the smallest, I guess it doesn't have a great enough concentration. And then I think it's kind of a bunch of BS because Thomas Curian is like, you know what the biggest areas are for this is retail healthcare and other big industries, which are the big targets for Google cloud as a whole. So I just, is this blockchain washing? What the hell is this? That's all thoughts.

Ant Pruitt (01:31:54):
You lost me at blockchain. <Laugh>

Jason Howell (01:32:00):
I was kind thinking the same thing. I, well, I just, I really want to understand this stuff more, but anytime I try it makes my brain hurt.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:08):
Well, that's the, the question here is if you're gonna PR I mean, what can Google possibly offer if you're gonna like to a blockchain developer? And that's what I don't understand, because the benefit of a blockchain is you're gonna run an algorithm on as many places as possible. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>, mm-hmm <affirmative> so that's in nowhere in this, does it answer it? It sounds honestly like, Google's just like we're just gonna to do something there's potential growth here to, to go with the, you know, they gotta find another way to make

Jason Howell (01:32:44):
Money. Yeah. I want another, a, another avenue for our cloud to be relevant,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:50):
To be used. So yeah, they they've basically created a new blockchain group. And yeah, it feels like you're just throwing around like, like terms spaghetti, like hype terms. Okay. That's all. I was just hoping someone could explain this to me, but no one can't I'll

Jason Howell (01:33:09):
Just, I wish I wish that I could <laugh> cannot. I have no explanation on that one.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:33:15):
No one in the chat. Anyone, no

Jason Howell (01:33:20):
Line 66 is worth mentioning. It's not. Yeah, I was actually, it is worth mentioning. Yeah, I was, I was circling that as well. Google is making some changes to their parental leave policy. Actually some really fantastic changes. They are offering man. Their benefits are crazy. Sorry. I have text overlapping here. Expanded parental leave to 18 weeks for all parents. It had been 12 prior, so that's pretty nice basically a half year. Yeah. Is

Stacey Higginbotham (01:33:52):
It paid? Leave?

Jason Howell (01:33:54):
Yeah. That's that's my understanding. It's my understanding. Okay. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:33:57):
Sorry. I'm like, you know what I've I was like, I didn't have paid leave 15 years ago when I had my baby.

Jason Howell (01:34:06):
Wow. Things have changed, right. Like a half year. Yeah. I

Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:09):
Mean, I'm glad I helped push for paid leave for our employees before I left GIGO. Cuz I was like, yo, come on. Did it happen? Did you win? And I think they got it. Yeah. Them

Jason Howell (01:34:19):
Outstanding. Yeah. Yeah. I think this is crazy. It's also

Jeff Jarvis (01:34:25):
Sorry. Yeah, go ahead.

Jason Howell (01:34:26):
No you, well, I was just gonna say 18 weeks for all parents, 24 weeks for parents who give birth previously 18 weeks as of April 2nd, also eight weeks of caregiver leave for employees to take which doubles the previous allowance. What were you gonna say, Jeff?

Jeff Jarvis (01:34:43):
I just it has nothing to do with Google. Stacey can kick me or punch me. But Starbucks I, I asked the crew one of my local Starbucks where they were closing earlier all the time. And one of them around here has not been open for two weeks. One of them closes every day at noon and I said, what's going on? And they said, we can't get anybody to apply for the jobs. We just can't. I said, did they finally raise your salaries to credit? He said, actually, yeah, they did even. So we can't get anybody to apply for the jobs. We're all short staffed as heck. And, and so that's obviously not the case at Google, but it is the case that in the great resignation, which is actually probably great redistribution people are a lot freer to try to find other jobs.

Jeff Jarvis (01:35:28):
The job marketplace has changed. This is, you know, the complaints about, about inflation are also about redistribution of wealth in the hands of salaried employees, which is a wonderful thing and needs to happen. Yeah. And, and so I, you know, I think Google does these kinds of things because they're the right thing to do. Yes. But they're also the smart thing to do because if you're, if you're gonna start a family and you know, you can work at Google and get that kind of benefit, then I think you'd be a lot more loyal to stick around.

Ant Pruitt (01:35:58):
Oh yeah. Totally agree.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:36:00):
Although again, for low wage workers or for other Googles, for anyone who isn't an engineer, Google's a crappy place to work. Cuz the engineers kinda look down on you and they try to contract out as much of that as possible. But yes, if you're an engineer, you're fine. Although I go try to work at Starbucks in the afternoons.

Jeff Jarvis (01:36:21):
Oh they want you in customer service.

Ant Pruitt (01:36:24):
Want you <laugh> Nope. I gotta take please. But I, I actually, I absolutely hate going to some of the stores around here because they're so short staffed and I go in there and I'm paying more for food, you know, than I, than I normally would have to pay. And then I'm doing the checkout myself and it I'm like this, this just is, is bad. But I, I, I, I salute the people that says, you know what, I, I, I can do better elsewhere. You know, I, I, where it's getting money from the government or just trying to start something on their own, but man, it's really making shopping here locally, just a bit a pain and a butt for me. <Laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:10):
It's not you Ant, but my brother worked at Starbucks. Another, it's not just pay it. Is that their

Ant Pruitt (01:37:15):
Customers mm-hmm <affirmative> really. Yeah. And their customers are horrible. Yes. Yes. I mean like

Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:20):
Customers, like, even if like, I think it'd be fun to do that for a little while, but I mean, I have had, I mean, I worked in public store. Like I worked at a grocery store when I was a kid, but I mean, you did get some real awful people. And my understanding is we've only gotten worse and more aggressive.

Ant Pruitt (01:37:40):
People are feeling way more entitled. Now he's according to my hard head up in college, not gonna say where he's working, but he, he, he doesn't like people anymore because people are so entitled when they come into these places and you know, want this and that and want it be this way versus that way. You know, as if they're at burger king where you can have it your way,

Jason Howell (01:38:02):
You know, it's and they, and they want it fast, which, you know, and they want part, part of the snake, eating its own tail of, of where we're at with the great resignation. Cause I, cuz I completely agree. I, I am all for people re recognizing and standing up for themselves and realizing, Hey, I'm worth more, both from a value standpoint. And from like an emotional standpoint, you know, of where we work. Like, I, I deserve more than I'm getting, but because of the, those shortages caused by that, then you end up with the people coming in and saying, okay, you're short staff. I'm not getting the service that I expect. And then those people, you know, it feeds itself. Yeah. It's a proper, the

Jeff Jarvis (01:38:39):
Golden corral brawl. Oh no. Oh, there was a bra. There was brawl. I mean, everybody was throwing at chest at first they were throwing high chairs then chairs, then tables. Oh. At each other tearing up the whole place. Cause one guy got a steak that was rare before somebody else had got a steak that I guess medium. No. And it was quicker. And so one of them got en enraged and tempers went wacky.

Jason Howell (01:39:04):
Oh, to say the least that's

Jeff Jarvis (01:39:05):
What happens when you have hangry people.

Jason Howell (01:39:07):
Yeah. Hanger, it's real. It's a real thing.

Jeff Jarvis (01:39:11):
I mean, worked at Ponderosa's steakhouse myself.

Jason Howell (01:39:17):
Let's see here, Google is going to possibly be introducing limits to WhatsApp chat backups. And apparently I didn't, I didn't realize this. So apparently WhatsApp. I mean, I did realize that WhatsApp backups end up on drive, but I didn't realize until I read this article that apparently this has been freed. It doesn't count towards your Google drive storage quota or your account. I had no idea about that. I have, I had no idea about that either. That's kind of crazy and it kind of blows me away. Google has its own efforts that are counter to, you know, what, what meta slash Facebook does with, you know, WhatsApp, its chat efforts. And yet Google's just been kind on to a certain degree, like bank rolling their, their free storage for backups. So apparently this is gonna be changing here pretty soon. Google's probably gonna be, I implementing some limits. I think this might have to do with some code strings that were found in the WhatsApp beta that show a preparation towards this. And I dunno, something tells me Facebook will be fine. They'll they'll figure it out. But still I had no idea. I didn't know. I just, I thought everything counted against your storage quote at this point. That's

Ant Pruitt (01:40:25):
A nice Google nugget.

Jason Howell (01:40:27):
Yeah. Google nugget. Let,

Jeff Jarvis (01:40:32):
Let's see here. Are we still on Google? I wanna ask and a question that's non Google. Sure.

Jason Howell (01:40:35):
Go for it. We can go where?

Jeff Jarvis (01:40:38):
Since, since, since I feel like the cats away, we can, we can, we can same line, right? One. He's not gonna complain. You decide he doesn't have to scroll line 39. And I don't know if you have an opinion about this, but a, a, a C2 PA spec to assure provenance and, and, and create creator credit for media, especially photo photography. Is this something this music to your ears or doesn't

Ant Pruitt (01:41:07):
Matter? Yeah. I remember Adobe talking about this a couple years ago. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> yep. And it it's, it's quite promising, but again with standards you gotta get everybody on board and that, that, that could be part of the problem right there. It's just getting everybody on board with doing things a certain way. Yeah. I remember just a couple years ago. So this is, there's been an update to that.

Jeff Jarvis (01:41:33):
Yeah. Now they have kind of the first standard out. So you're right. That, that shows how much time it takes. Yeah.

Jason Howell (01:41:39):
1.0 1.0 is now out of the tech specification.

Ant Pruitt (01:41:43):
Outstanding. Okay. I didn't catch that good thing.

Jeff Jarvis (01:41:47):
So I'll be curious that if you tried to implement that on your photos,

Ant Pruitt (01:41:51):
I have not. I have not. Again, cuz I, when, when Adobe was talking about it, it was all the, the whole beta talk and stuff and yeah, it was

Jeff Jarvis (01:42:01):
2019. You're

Ant Pruitt (01:42:02):
Right. I, I didn't wanna take chances and have something get screwed up. So no, but it's nice to see to now we do have version one. Ready to go. Yeah. That's good.

Jason Howell (01:42:14):
Will, will this ever come into play with NES NFTs? That's a good question.

Jeff Jarvis (01:42:20):
This is just his

Stacey Higginbotham (01:42:20):
Thing today. Do not make NEFT happen. Jason. I'm not saying 18 years from now and having to say, I'm coming back to you in the verge.

Jason Howell (01:42:30):
This is how this is how it starts. Right. You make fun of it. And then at some point it, you're not making fun of it anymore. You've just adopted it. So you're right. I will stop. I stop the net <laugh> yeah. When

Stacey Higginbotham (01:42:41):
The irony goes too far, it just becomes reality.

Jason Howell (01:42:45):
That's right. That's right. But I mean, seriously, I wonder if that would, that would be useful for, for NFTs. Just cuz you know, we hear about these NFTs being repurposed and oh that's not the real one that that person posted that person's image over here,

Ant Pruitt (01:43:02):
But at the same time blockchain was supposed to give you that authenticity was

Jason Howell (01:43:08):
Supposed to yeah. Supposed to that's true.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:43:09):
Well, it gives you authenticity that, well it depends on who creates the contract. I mean that's yeah, yeah. I mean basically it says the, the digital item you have is the digital item you have. Now, if someone says like, if I lie and say I'm the creator and I create the digital item and I, you know, put it on the ledger as the, I am the creator of this item, then you know, I've just committed fraud. But my fraud is, it has a provenance I guess is how you should think about it. The interesting thing is if I deci, if I am a creator, someone steals my work, puts it on the blockchain. I have a very clear trail back to who created it when I'm seeking redress. And so I'm wondering when we'll see those kind of court cases, mm-hmm <affirmative> because it's perfect for that and what effect that will have on some of these NFTs. Does that make sense? Yeah.

Ant Pruitt (01:44:05):
Yeah. Mm-hmm <affirmative>

Jason Howell (01:44:09):
Should we pour one out? What was it called DM for metas DM, which is now shutting down.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:44:16):
Oh, I was like direct messages. They're still here. No. Oh,

Jason Howell (01:44:19):
Sorry. <Laugh> no D DMS are not going anywhere, but DM, once known as Libra launched back in 2019, it was Facebook's the new brand play help.

Jeff Jarvis (01:44:30):
Didn't save it.

Jason Howell (01:44:31):
Yeah. And nothing saved it apparently. They're selling it to silver gate capital corporation for 182 million, the assets of that. And yeah, based on what I was reading through and you know, of course Jack Dorsey's weighing in on it too saying like it was a total waste of time. They should have just like put all their efforts into Bitcoin. That's what they should have done. But ultimately it sounds like, you know the people who were really close with this just from day one, it was all about, you know, federal regulators had had a problem with it and there was just nothing they could do to undo kind of the, the view of Facebook, creating its own currency in light of, you know, all of its other kind of chaos happening the past couple of years. And it's ultimately what it

Ant Pruitt (01:45:17):
Sort of makes sense for Facebook to have wanted to, to create its own little cryptocurrency like that because they're a platform. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> if they're, if they're a platform and they're building out worlds, you know, years down the road where people can exchange goods, it, it, it makes sense to have their own in inclusive exclusive currency to me, but then yeah, you, I guess regulation would, but

Jeff Jarvis (01:45:45):
What, what about Jack's point is just go with the currency. Why have to build all that? Why not go, you build it, buy or build kind of the old, the old ways why not support, which he he's doing with, with his transactional platform? What

Ant Pruitt (01:45:59):
Exists? Yeah. But who's to say that Bitcoin is really accessible too. I mean, hick, some people feel Bitcoin is exclusive, exclusive because it's not as accessible, you know, I can put up digital money out there, but getting digital money and turning it into Bitcoin is quite a challenge for some people.

Jason Howell (01:46:22):
Yeah. It's not obvious. It's certainly not an obvious process. It's way easier now than it than it was. It is now ago. But it's you,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:46:30):
You also, I mean, not obvious, you also want, you have to E some sort of friction in these because otherwise

Jason Howell (01:46:39):
Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:46:39):
People would be stolen. Their buddy would be stolen, left. Right. Although

Jason Howell (01:46:43):
It is, yeah. They began big time. Trouble. Yeah. You're right.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:46:46):
But you know what? Let's not talk about it cuz it died.

Jason Howell (01:46:49):
Yeah. Okay. So see you later. Oh, how

Jeff Jarvis (01:46:52):
Cruel, how heartless, how soon forgotten <laugh> G we hardly knew ye

Jason Howell (01:46:58):
<Laugh> right. But DMS you're still cool. Oh, DM is are okay. Yeah. Cool. Thank you. How about we do a little change. We've got some actually really great stuff in the change log this week. So 

Stacey Higginbotham (01:47:12):
I'm excited, excited about some

Jeff Jarvis (01:47:13):
Of this. When you are doing it, you give yourself good stuff when Leo's doing it. <Laugh>

Jason Howell (01:47:18):
I have nothing. Do I get it? I have nothing to do with the quality of the news. All right. I just lucked out this week. Lies sound the horns,

Jeff Jarvis (01:47:29):
The Google change log.

Jason Howell (01:47:36):
All right. Starting with Google, announcing a new layout for Gmail. It's gonna be changing how Google chat meet and spaces are. Oops, sorry. Are integrated onto the page. Used to be you that these things kind of have their own little modules. And so you could see your email and all the other things kind of, you know, like your chat down in the bottom corner, whatever. Now things are gonna shift so that I think it's so that there's icons along the side. So basically you have like a G a mail icon on the side. When you click that, the entire window represents your Gmail. If you click chat, then I think everything changes to chat. It's a more, I, I don't know what you call that, but it's definitely different. And Stacey, it sounded like prior to the show you were talking about this a little bit. You have some thoughts on this.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:48:21):
Yeah. I just, I was, this is for, no, I just wanna be clear. This is for the G suite.

Jason Howell (01:48:31):
That's right. I failed

Stacey Higginbotham (01:48:32):
To mention you workspace. Sorry.

Jason Howell (01:48:34):
Yeah, I think I, I failed to mention that it's it is for the workspace suite tools. It's a workspace. So we actually

Jeff Jarvis (01:48:41):
Get a benefit.

Jason Howell (01:48:43):
<Laugh> apparently you've waited long enough, Jeff.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:48:48):
Well, wow. Okay. Cause like, as a workspace customer, I think I've had, oh no, I have. Okay. I can't tell what's the new view and what's not is what I, I don't have thoughts. I have confusion. I was trying to figure out which

Jason Howell (01:49:05):
View that sounds like Google.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:07):
Each of like, cuz I am, I have my personal Google account and then I have my workspace account and they both look different. Right. So I'm like, which, which 1:00 AM I getting? I don't know. <Laugh> so that was my question.

Jason Howell (01:49:23):
So if you look at, if you, I mean, if we, if we pull up that, that the article on the screen, I can, can kind of point out to you. The, the, basically the hero image on the screen. If you, if you take a look at this and you see the far left, you see how there's that like very first toolbar on the far, far left and it's got mail chats, spaces and meet. And my understanding is when you tap the mail button, everything you get, what you see on the screen right now, which is just like a general Gmail layout, but that control kind of tab on the, on the left, underneath the sandwich icon, you know, if you hit chat there, I think I'm guessing the in higher screen to the right of that shifts to the chat functionality and then spaces and then meet it's, it's just, it's laying things out a little bit differently. It's kind of cleaning it up a little bit, but I think some people are gonna have a problem with the fact that it doesn't give you everything on the screen at one time, the way the current layout kind of does, right? Like I can have my chat on the screen along with my email. And that's what I'm used to right now. That's this, this implementation, I think changes that.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:50:34):
And that's what I was worried about. I was trying to figure that out cuz I don't want that <laugh>

Jason Howell (01:50:38):
Yeah. Cause I'm working within my

Stacey Higginbotham (01:50:40):
Email and I'm chatting with people while I'm working within my email. So I'm like, right.

Jason Howell (01:50:45):
No, this is not. And so if you're in your email and a chat comes through, instead of seeing the chat on your screen, like down on the little module, you'll get a little a little color or a number next to the chat button on the left that says, oh, you have a new chat and then you have to click over there and, and, you know, it'll pull it up. So I don't know if it's any better, but it's different. And apparently it'll throw out soon. Yeah. So there you go. So I'm gonna knock you off that <laugh> off any sort of excitement that you may have had about a Gmail redesign? I don't know. We, we might end up growing into it, you know, in liking it. I don't, I I'm,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:51:23):
Multi-Task in my inbox anyway. It comes off February. So, so we'll see.

Jason Howell (01:51:28):
Yeah, we'll see very soon. But I mean, their plans are like, yes, this is we're starting it in February. It's the default option in April. It's the only option by the end of Q2, 2022. So they're like, this is the future. Okay. So looking for it the G suite legacy free edition couple a couple years ago kind of feels like that couple of weeks ago. <Laugh> there was the whole thing where, you know, users of G suite legacy free edition have had like free access to this for like the last 10 years Google stopped supporting it, but never like booted them off or, or made them pay. And then they said, well, that's ending. You're gonna have to pay. And here are the service price. And people, you know, lost their, their minds about that as people are want to do with these things.

Jason Howell (01:52:15):
So apparently they're making changes. There will be an ability to transfer your non Google workspace pay to content and most of your data to a no cost option. I don't know if we know exactly what that option is yet, but it seems to be something about transferring the, the legacy free edition to a regular Gmail dot com address that's likely anyways. So, so if you fall into that category, there will hopefully be still a an alternative for you. I think a lot of people did. I, I was not one of those free users, so, but hurt you quite a few. I've been paying and, and angry about it. Every time I get screwed from a new function. Yes, exactly. Paying and wonder why, wondering why YouTube's rolling out a new a new mobile interface for full screen video, basically just kind of cleans up the, the presentation.

Jason Howell (01:53:09):
This is on Android and iOS to bring comments share that sort of stuff onto the screen in a more elegant way. So, I mean, not a whole lot new to, you know, talk about there. It's just kind of a redesign of the player on Android and iOS. This started rolling out on Monday. So yeah, I guess look at, look for that. It only appears if you're watching in full screen. So there's that Google one VPN is now offered for iPhone. So I guess this was only for Android. I didn't, I didn't realize that you couldn't get this on iPhone before, but apparently you couldn't and now you can, so that's good. Yeah. I thought it was cross platform too. <Laugh> yeah. Yeah. available to people in 18 countries, including the us, UK, Canada, and Mexico. So if you are an iPhone user and you want Google one's VPN apparently you can start getting that right away.

Jason Howell (01:54:06):
This one's cool. And I haven't received a message from an iPhone user since this has hit my phone, but if you use Google messages and you are chatting with someone who has an iPhone and they do some sort of reaction to your chat, that is to say, instead of saying like, oh, I like what you just said, they hit the heart before, if they did that, you would get a message that said so and so loved. And then quote your entire message, entire message. It's like all entire darned message. Yeah. And it was annoying and ugly. And it was like, you know, once, once we started knowing that Google was working on actually taking that text to of converting it into actual like images <laugh> it was like, why did you do this sooner? And finally, it's rolling out. And I, I have the setting on my phone, but like I said, I haven't received a message from, is this an RCS thing, Mr.

Jason Howell (01:55:00):
Howell? Or is this just Google magic? No, no, this is Google magic. This is only in, in Google messages. This is Google basic saying, taking the string that I, my understanding anyways, taking the string that comes back from an iPhone and recognizing that string and converting it in the way that it knows how, like, if an iPhone says loved, then we put a heart next to your message period. Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But I do know that so some people have had kind of mixed experience with it. Like sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't like, I think Ron Richards all about Android co-host he said that he didn't think that it was working on images. It worked on, on some of his text messages back and forth. But if it was an image, it didn't work. It said liked the image or something like that. So what about Google?

Ant Pruitt (01:55:49):
I wonder about Google voice people. Yeah.

Jason Howell (01:55:54):
I don't know. That's good

Ant Pruitt (01:55:55):
Question. You use the text and feature through that instead of messages. It's still a Google product and yeah.

Jason Howell (01:56:02):
Yeah. I don't, but I mean, even if it fixes, let's say two thirds of, of those comments coming from an iPhone, that'll still be better than nothing, you know? And it does look nice when it works. It looks nice based on the screenshots I've seen. So, so that's neat. Any pixel for a fans in the house, if so, you're not gonna be to buy one. Yeah, I liked it. Okay. I thought it was a good phone. Yeah. yeah, maybe, maybe that's the device. You should have got Stacey instead of the five, but you can't it too late. It's gone too. I got the, I was moving from a three a and I didn't wanna go like just one up that felt lame. Yeah, totally. And also it's, you know, it's, it's an older phone. It's one year older than the five more or less.

Jason Howell (01:56:47):
But but yeah, this was this was three 50 at launch. If you remember launch, it was delayed. This was 2020, right? So it was the beginning of COVID. It was supposed to come out like March or April or somewhere around there. And it ended up getting delayed a late summer. It was the shrug phone. It was we're look, we're trying our best here. We, we got it out. We should be happy that we got it out at least phone. And it is also the last Aeries device to get a wide release. The, the five, a 5g actually was very limited to a hand and full of markets because of the supply chain. So, so any who you won't be able to get that at the Google store anymore. It is. So it is outta stock and not gonna be sold anymore.

Jason Howell (01:57:37):
And then finally, if you have the pixel three, you may remember Google's promise that you would have unlimited or original photo backups until a certain time. Well, that certain time has happened that certain time was January 31st, 2022. It seemed like so long when you first bought that phone. I know, but now roughly three and a quarter years later that has expired come roo. I worked for an employer, the had lifetime job guarantees, and then they had to redefine life. <Laugh> what is life? Yeah. Who's life. Who's life. You still around. <Laugh> leave. It's important to determine, yeah. Who's life. Are we talking about here or what's life anyways. All right. And that is the good Google change log. There we go. Any last stories before we take a break and do our, our tips, tricks and numbers and all that, anything that you were itching to talk about that we didn't quite get to. There's a lot of stuff in here. And I know we did.

Jeff Jarvis (01:58:46):
You tell this really small, but an FYI to people did Zuckerberg's warning. If you take a screenshot of a messenger conversation, the person, the other people in that, in that conversation will get a notification. Ah, gotcha.

Jason Howell (01:59:01):
That's right. But that's good. That's good for privates. Good. That's good. Yeah. Yeah. That is good. That was that two party I'm to that. Is that what? That is kind? It, well,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:59:11):
It's not, I know because it's like a notification, but yeah. Yeah.

Jason Howell (01:59:16):
It just says

Jeff Jarvis (01:59:17):
49. Just screen question for you west coasts, would you take an air? He flight over San Francisco bay?

Jason Howell (01:59:23):
Sure.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:59:24):
Why not? I would take an air taxi flight over to Seattle. No pilot,

Jason Howell (01:59:29):
No pilot, no pilot. Sure. Why not? No pilot.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:59:33):
If it drops me in the sound, it's gonna be real cold, but I'm pretty sure. But let

Jason Howell (01:59:36):
Me, let me refresh that. I'm not, I'm not doing that this this month or this. Yeah, I'd do it next year. Perhaps you was okay.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:59:45):
What they sharks though, right?

Jason Howell (01:59:48):
Shark shark meets. Good. I know

Jeff Jarvis (01:59:52):
He's tough. He he'd kill the shark. No shark. It's

Jason Howell (01:59:57):
Like, I just,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:59:58):
That guy,

Jason Howell (02:00:01):
I dare a shark to find when I all out of my air taxi. <Laugh> yeah. I'll take that shark down. That's a challenge. I,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:00:11):
I, I feel that, that I may not fare well against a shark or it might be

Jason Howell (02:00:17):
Well, I'm pretty sure. Yeah. I would not either. And on the other hand, I think Anne could singlehandedly take shark. I'm just saying, oh yeah. I'd give it a out. <Laugh> you'd give it a shark. You'd try your best. I think we'd all try our best. I think you just have better best

Stacey Higginbotham (02:00:32):
<Laugh> what kinds of sharks?

Jason Howell (02:00:35):
I don't know. Some people jump the sharks. Yeah. But I she's worried about it.

Jeff Jarvis (02:00:42):
She's on the water. She's worried about the shark then coming together.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:00:47):
<Laugh> you know what? The sharks that live in the bay are pretty benign, but there are 11 species of them. Okay.

Jason Howell (02:00:54):
Oh, well they might not, they must not be that bad because there are there are a lot of people who, you know, challenge themselves by swimming across the bay. And 

Stacey Higginbotham (02:01:06):
Apparently they do have a lot of riptides though. That would be bad.

Jason Howell (02:01:09):
Yeah. I would never swim across the bay. That just sounds like a nightmare to me. But I mean, power be cold. Very. Yeah. I mean,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:01:19):
I landed up in the Pacific up here in the summer and I was like, I am gonna die. It was so cold. <Laugh> yeah.

Jason Howell (02:01:29):
How about, how about this

Jeff Jarvis (02:01:30):
One? You land in it. How did you

Stacey Higginbotham (02:01:32):
Land it? Like I fell out of a boat

Jason Howell (02:01:34):
<Laugh> oh, no. Oh my goodness. No way I can swim. It's okay. Was Jen involved? Yeah, still was a, who was Jen involved?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:01:47):
Oh, I have a friend named Jen and I was like, she would never push me outta a boat.

Jason Howell (02:01:52):
Wow. Were Jen? No, Jen the other day. And she told no, no.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:01:58):
I, I fell out of a boat while rowing and it was, I was totally sober. I, I don't believe in, in drinking and rowing. Good. I, I hope not.

Jason Howell (02:02:07):
I'm worried. Yes. Okay. That's good. That makes me happy. <Laugh> how about this one? Oh, Lord. Metaverse real estate to top 500 million projected what? Bored every minute. This is just like, it blows my mind, but I mean, you need a place to put fake. Hey yeah. Kind, kind of inevitable though, right? That, that there would be some sort of value out of these, this virtual real estate, cuz if there are virtual worlds built and if there are virtual worlds built with, of epicenters or, or places where everybody is positioned and then, you know, worlds outside of that, something closer to that, you know, if you sell it anyways, if you choose to sell, it would be worth more than something that's far, far off. So this is kind of inevitable, right? I guess I just didn't think it would be this expensive. Are we missing out an opportunity? Should I invest in virtual real estate? Oh, here

Stacey Higginbotham (02:03:03):
We go. What I find fascinating. And my friend YCO did a story for protocol this week about like who owned, who owns his address in the metaverse yes.

Jason Howell (02:03:12):
I'm talking to him tomorrow on tech news. Weekly. Yeah. About that story.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:03:17):
Yes. You know, he had a dedicated fan place of like women who thought he was oh, hot. When he was doing our shows for GIGO. And he's adorable. <Laugh> anyway, the point being that Yako, his story is so fascinating to me cuz I'm like, not only do you have to buy like the company, that's gonna actually create the layer that's over your house, but there's gonna be multiples. Right. So you're basically just invest. You're basically betting on a horse. So do you spread your bet across all the hospital horses? Probably. If you're smart and then we haven't discussed rights, but it's probable that you will have rights. We had all this back in Pokemon, go. Remember when we were like mm-hmm <affirmative>. Oh, so, and then there'll be best practices. Like, should you buy out a museum or do they get to own it? I'm sure some senators are gonna be like no, you should own your own house. You don't wanna be like, I don't know your kids walking up with their AR glasses and seeing, you know, nudes in their bedroom actually that your kids might like that. I don't know.

Jason Howell (02:04:24):
Second thoughts,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:04:26):
Like, wait a second. This might be ideal for certain people.

Jason Howell (02:04:30):
<Laugh> probably yeah. Crazy stuff. Crazy stuff. Well, how about we? How about we take a break and then when we come back, we'll do our tips and our tricks. You are

Jeff Jarvis (02:04:41):
So efficient. You went for tons, tons of stories. Good jobs, sir.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:04:48):
If you can get outta here before like 4 45, I did already have a waffle, so I am,

Jason Howell (02:04:53):
I am to it. Okay. But

Jeff Jarvis (02:04:54):
For those of you who didn't come on before we talked about, I talked about, I I wanna have a Stacey blood sugar and that'll determine how long the show goes. It kind of counts down. Oh, waffle. Oh, it's full again. It's okay. You know,

Ant Pruitt (02:05:06):
I'm curious to see how fast we get that, that request filled. Cause I know I blood sugar, I'm passionate. <Laugh>

Jason Howell (02:05:17):
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Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:03):
Yo, I have an exciting book for y'all because I am reading Neil Stevenson's termination shock. Actually. I'm listening to it on audio book, which is unusual for me because this is a 23 hour audio book. Okay, so this is Neil Steven, you speed it up. Latest. You make it go faster. Yeah, I do. I make it go at, I went with 1.25 for this one. I like when I can go all the way to 1.5, but okay. Here's the thing

Jason Howell (02:09:32):
Five.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:33):
Oh, I could do. It felt a lot of 'em are pretty slow, but this is a reading and he's a little faster and Neil Stevenson. I am not a Neil Stevenson fan. I'll just, just throw it out there. Y'all not a fan. Usually didn't like many of his books I did read you know, what is the metaverse snow crash way back in the day. Anyway, point being, this is an okay book. If you like his stuff, you will like this. It starts out with the, I cannot curse. I have to curse on this. I'm sorry. Get ready to beep a batch crazy intro involving pigs, an airplane crash in meth, Gators and rednecks in Texas. And the fact that I in Texas made me feel real close to this. So the, that was the positive side. The downside is it took for freaking ever for him to like describe this like way too long needed an editor.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:10:28):
But I think the engineering types will like it because he really goes into everything. You, the research shows it might actually be like talking to me. Okay. So I put this in the category of kind of boring, but at least it sort of tries to have a plot climate change novels. It feels very much like Kim, what's his name? Stanley Robinson's book that everyone was so hyped about ministry of the future, which had a really killer beginning and then really devolved into like a plotless list of things you could do to help prevent climate change. There was a moderate plot. This is, has more of a plot, but it's such a slow going cuz all of the engineering. But if you like Neil Stevenson, you'll probably love this. It it's a good book. It's a good audio book. There you go.

Jason Howell (02:11:18):
And it's going to occupy a lot of your time. So if you've got time to fill this, like sometimes when I'm looking for audiobook, it's like, I want the really long one because I got a lot of extra time coming up here and I don't wanna have to like, you know, find another something. So sometimes I'm like looking for the book, that's gonna take a while.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:11:37):
I'm getting like, yeah, if you've got a long road trip or in my case, because I can't. Yeah. For my, my arm thing, I couldn't hold up a book very easily to reap. So I was like, well I'm just gonna pace and listen to this book and let me tell you I've walked many miles to this book now. <Laugh>

Jason Howell (02:11:56):
Nice stuff right on. All right. So that is termination shock.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:12:02):
The novel. Oh Kim Stanley Robinson. Yes. Thank you. <Laugh> I was really struggling there.

Jason Howell (02:12:08):
Kim Stanley Robinson. Oh yeah. Thanks outta sync and chat. Awesome. Thank you, Stacey. Let's see here. Jeff, how about you? What you got?

Jeff Jarvis (02:12:18):
So a quiz, if you haven't cheated or already looked at it, which company do you think makes more money? Netflix or YouTube?

Jason Howell (02:12:26):
I've cheated. I can't answer.

Ant Pruitt (02:12:29):
<Laugh> Netflix.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:12:31):
Youtube. Netflix. Yeah.

Ant Pruitt (02:12:34):
I would say no. I'd say YouTube.

Jeff Jarvis (02:12:40):
Ding, ding, ding. Gonna have a winner. I was surprised. I was surprised. I would've thought that Stacey did that

Ant Pruitt (02:12:48):
Spends on a lot of money. They spend a lot of money on their, on their original content. So

Stacey Higginbotham (02:12:55):
About profits. This is just revenues revenue, but yeah. And they just raised their prices, but okay.

Jeff Jarvis (02:13:01):
So, oh 

Stacey Higginbotham (02:13:03):
Yeah. I was surprised and YouTubes is from advertising. Yes.

Jason Howell (02:13:08):
Okay. Yeah. I mean

Jeff Jarvis (02:13:10):
They have, they had the YouTube premium, but I gotta believe that's OUS and they just killed off part of that. They killed off their original program in for that. So I dunno if YouTube too, Jeff,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:13:19):
I, I am hearing you all wrong instead of diminimus I heard it's too venomous and I'm like

Ant Pruitt (02:13:25):
Venomous. <Laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (02:13:27):
I'm really enjoying you today, Jeff, with, with my inability to hear

Jeff Jarvis (02:13:30):
Your points properly, slow that book down to 0.9. I think, I think that's my advice here. I dunno, what's happening here? 1, 2, 5, which is the, the normal speed I speak at is about 1.5, little too fast for you. I think <laugh>

Jason Howell (02:13:45):
Lord

Jeff Jarvis (02:13:46):
Jen. Wouldn't throw me off a boat. How would you dare that about Jen? No, I was insult she's my friend. She's like, how does he know Chad? So why does he think she would throw me off the boat?

Jason Howell (02:14:00):
She got really nervous. It's so much. You don't know? Yeah,

Jeff Jarvis (02:14:04):
It was a, it was a great three beat response too. Look at like what?

Jason Howell (02:14:11):
Tried to pick it apart.

Jeff Jarvis (02:14:12):
Yeah. Few Stacey bass it's yeah.

Jason Howell (02:14:16):
So YouTube 28.8 billion in advertising revenue in 2021. And what I, I guess what's coming to mind for me was another article that we had in here. I got a scan for it. It was somebody from a creator on YouTube. Where is that talking about the take for, for the cream.

Jeff Jarvis (02:14:36):
Oh, is it Hank green? Hank green.

Jason Howell (02:14:38):
Yes. That's what it is. Okay. And 

Jeff Jarvis (02:14:40):
Youtube versus a TikTok

Jason Howell (02:14:43):
Tiktok. Yeah. And I just, I don't know in reading through that just made me realize, man, you know, if you are a creator on YouTube, you, you have so much potential to make some serious cash there. Like I guess I just never really considered the fact that the partner programs add sense split 55% to creators 45% to YouTube. So that number that you're seeing, you know, from YouTube, I mean, obviously not all of that, you know, you, you couldn't apply that ma that math to this and, and come up with it an accurate number, but I'm sure a lot of that like take, take from this number. Yeah. And then apply it to creators. And the creators are making some serious bank. Not, not that we DIDNT know that some creators are making ridiculous money, but mm-hmm, <affirmative>

Jeff Jarvis (02:15:26):
Two things that Hank Hank makes a point of here. One is that the ads are associated with you and your video. So it's attributable and you get the money. But second TikTok puts out a $200 million fund and the more popular hundred people get the less people get, yeah,

Jason Howell (02:15:43):
Not a ceiling. Cause

Jeff Jarvis (02:15:44):
It's static. Youtube doesn't have a ceiling, right?

Jason Howell (02:15:47):
No, you YouTube is just primarily like of all the money we make from placing ads in your videos, you're to get 55% of it and we will get 45% of it. And TikTok says, we've got a fund and you can have some of this fund, but the fund is finite, right? Like it has an it's just 200. So the more people that get on TikTok and, and are creating, it's actually bad for the for the creator ecosystem because the more people, and by the way, in, from that fund, I

Jeff Jarvis (02:16:14):
Love Hank. I love both brothers, both John and John and Hank and, and, and at VidCon I don't know, probably five years ago now. He started a, a Guild for creators. It ended up dying because the companies just wouldn't negotiate with him kind of and it wasn't worth, worth keeping it going, but, but he always looks out for the creators as a class.

Jason Howell (02:16:36):
Mm. And God bless 'em for that. Yeah. Yeah. Really interesting look into how, how all that works for creators in the back end. So just kinda reminded me of that. And who would you, what you got, would you like to go?

Ant Pruitt (02:16:54):
Sure. Well, first up I wanted to say thank you to the San Diego mobile film festival for having me I was interviewed by them here recently because I am a guest judge for their F festival. That's gonna be held, I think it's April 29th. It's sometime the end of April. I can't remember <laugh>, but I'm, I'm a judge for that. And I'm really looking forward to it and seeing what people create with their mobile devices. Not just people out there capturing funny memes stuff with their iPhone, but you know, a natural film with these things. So I'm looking forward to that. Being a judge miss Susie is a great host and had a fun time chatting with her. And then lastly, this is black history month recognition. I don't do too much celebration and all of that, but I figure, all right, let me just sit at least go ahead and mentioned one of my favorite videos and his titled finally got 'em. I'm not gonna get into it. So go over there and listen to it and let me know your thoughts on it.

Jason Howell (02:18:03):
Hmm. I'm intrigued <laugh> me

Stacey Higginbotham (02:18:05):
Too. I was like, what, what happened to Ant? And then it was just Ant.

Ant Pruitt (02:18:14):
Yeah. I'm usually confused. Apparently.Com/Pruit and just search for finally got 'em awesome.

Jason Howell (02:18:21):
Cool. Thank you, Ann. As for me, you know, we didn't talk about it in, in the news block, but I should mention Wordle, you know, the, the gay that seems to love had to say it except course for Jeff falls, <laugh> bought by the New York times. This was announced a yes, no, sorry, Monday that they're, they're going to they're, you know, the, the, the terms of the deal were not disclosed. But they noted it was in the low seven figures, which you just have to imagine, like, man, the person who made that probably could have done better than that. If, if they had any, if they had the ambition or desire to really go the monetization route, which it really sounded in interviews and news that I read sounded like that person who created lots of really interested in that. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:19:13):
He's, he's the kind of guy who's like, oh, I'm gonna just try, he built like a smart button for the, you know, he's done a couple, like just crazy things. And I think he just, I I'm with him, man. I mean, who wants the monetization slog? If you make something that was gave people, chili happy

Jeff Jarvis (02:19:29):
Really works. Yeah. Right. It's a fad. That's gonna go away. I hope, I hope I hope any day now <laugh> a and B just cause people are spaming B with their bloody boxes and, and B it's just JavaScript, right. Or something like that. Yeah. And C it's it's it doesn't actually, there's no, there's not much intellectual property there. So what are the times really buy? So I think he made out like a bandit.

Jason Howell (02:19:53):
Yeah, he did. All right. I'm kind of, he can just kind of, you know, be, be done and walk away. If you are wondering what New York times is gonna do with this, they say not at this time, when a, are you gonna include ads? So, you know, that that might happen. They say at this time, no changes will be made to its game play. So who the heck knows what's gonna happen here? But if you like it the way it is, and you don't wanna have to go to the New York times, Hey, guess what all you have to do is right. Click and save, and you can save game to your computer hard drive and run it the same. In fact, all of the words that are used in the game are embedded into the yeah. The game itself. It's not pulling those words like forever, like a cloud database. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's all, it's a standalone game. You could literally just right. Click and save the whole game and have it. And no matter what, New York times doesn't, I

Stacey Higginbotham (02:20:49):
Think the New York times is gonna do like a gameplay subscription. Like they have the cooking, they have the wire cutter. I know they already have like a crossword subscription, but I think they're just gonna put a bunch of these for like, you know, so you can like get Sudoku and a crossword puzzle and a word find and Wordle and

Jeff Jarvis (02:21:08):
Right. And subscription and subscription. Right. So of gaming subscription and a food subscription and a new subscription are the same to them. So they're now they bought the athletic. Yeah. They've, they've meed their 20, 25 goal of 10 million subscribers, which is still pretty amazing. Pretty good. Yeah.

Jason Howell (02:21:25):
Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:21:27):
I am a, I am a twofold NYT subscriber, but I really resent having to pay for a third subscription. I'm like, Hmm. Wine cutter. Not yet.

Jeff Jarvis (02:21:37):
You resent, do you pay for food?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:21:40):
I do. And that's super valuable, but I get kind of that

Jeff Jarvis (02:21:44):
Peeved that I've I buy the paper and, and the recipes come out in the paper, but then, then I, I can get the archive of all the rest of New York times, but not the recipes.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:21:56):
I no I'm with you. I feel that they're definitely that that's a legit moment of ness, ness,

Jeff Jarvis (02:22:04):
Ness,

Jason Howell (02:22:05):
Pity, ness,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:22:09):
Your PVI. I just don't know. No, I feel for you, but I do like Senti

Jason Howell (02:22:14):
Is just, that was the other word earlier today. <Laugh> oh

Stacey Higginbotham (02:22:17):
Yeah. I just, I struggle with language today.

Jason Howell (02:22:20):
It's very

Jeff Jarvis (02:22:21):
NTY I would say wouldn't you say

Jason Howell (02:22:25):
No, <laugh> don't do that. I already got struck down doing that once. I will never do that again. <Laugh> all right. Y'all this is a lot of fun. We've reached the end of this episode of This Week in Google. Thanks so much for allowing me to crash the party. Again, I really do appreciate it. Let's see here, Jeff buzz, machine.com. Anything you want, people wanna leave people with that's good for

Jeff Jarvis (02:22:51):
Now. Yeah, it's fine. Actually. No, no. Yeah, we we've extended. We found that that recruiting students works better actually closer in the spring. So the, the thing I'm proudest of in my entire career is starting our engagement, formally known as social journalism program. It's the place for people who are really innovative and really doing amazing things. Our students get amazing jobs. If you're all interested in journalism and changing our field, or, you know, someone who is look up journalism, doc look up the, of course the Craig, Craig, Craig, Craig, new mark. You know the name, sing it. School of journalism. Craig, Craig,

Jason Howell (02:23:33):
Craig, you asked for it.

Jeff Jarvis (02:23:35):
Craig, Craig, Craig, Craig, Craig school of journalism and, and see at the, so I will point that. Thank you.

Jason Howell (02:23:48):
Yeah, absolutely. What did

Jeff Jarvis (02:23:49):
You just plug? Well done, John. They're applying for come and be in my classroom, which would be a wonderful thing.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:23:55):
Apply to join the program. Yes,

Jeff Jarvis (02:23:57):
Yes, yes.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:23:58):
Oh, okay. Sorry. <laugh> I'm just like, what are you? I don't Jeff, we're just not in the right way of playing. I'm so sorry.

Jeff Jarvis (02:24:06):
No, we are not a day. No, no. I'm just

Stacey Higginbotham (02:24:08):
All wrong.

Jason Howell (02:24:09):
All wrong. I thought you were writing down the information so you could apply to be part of the,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:24:13):
I thought it actually, I was like, do I wanna go to another J school thing? No, I don't. <Laugh> sorry, but I, if I did want to go, it would be your program, Jeff.

Jeff Jarvis (02:24:22):
Oh, thank you, Stacey. There we go.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:24:25):
Thank you. Instead, I probably, if I went to school today, I would do comp sci. Sorry.

Jeff Jarvis (02:24:30):
Softer. Yeah, I know.

Jason Howell (02:24:33):
<Laugh> still good. Just say Stacey, thank you so much, Stacey Hiba them Stacey on iot.com. You wanna tease anything that you have coming up or have any, anything to share?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:24:48):
I mean, no, go newsletter. Feel free to sign up. It comes once a week and listen to the podcast comes out Thursday, the internet of things podcast. Yay. There

Jason Howell (02:24:56):
We go. Right on. All right. Thank you Stacey. Oh, it was a lot of fun getting to do this with you. And then finally, and, and Pruitt hands on photography club, TWI, extraordinaire, anything you got coming up, do you want let people know of

Ant Pruitt (02:25:12):
Just the show this week and on photography, I'm going to get into some listener feedback because I asked for it and boy, do you all send it? So we're gonna dive in some of your feedback on this week's episode and and yeah, if you follow me on Twitter, follow me on Instagram too, please. And thank you. I'm trying to balance out my follower counts, cuz one is like way up higher than the other one. So give me a follow on Instagram and underscore Pruit. Nice, please. And thank you.

Jason Howell (02:25:44):
Yeah, thank you. Ha, always a pleasure. Thank you. Real quick, before we wrap this up we have the TWI audience survey that actually just went live earlier this week. So go to twi.tv/survey 22. This is just basically a way we do this every year, right? This is a, a way for you to share with us as much as you feel comfortable who you are, what you're looking for out of our content, things we can do better. It's just a, you know, it's, it helps us to formulate what we do here at TWI and to keep, you know, making sure that we're giving you what you're looking for. So twi.tv/survey 22, it only takes a couple of minutes and we really appreciate it. If you take that couple of minutes and send us some of that, those details. Thank you as, oh, yes.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:26:32):
I'm about to age out of one of your categories.

Jason Howell (02:26:35):
Oh no. Oh no. Oh no Ant

Stacey Higginbotham (02:26:39):
Stacey. That's a big

Jason Howell (02:26:40):
Moment. I'm sorry. Yes. And I know they a part, there's a part of the survey where Linux is not present, so it's not a perfect survey. You might age out and Linux is not present on one of the questions. So

Stacey Higginbotham (02:26:54):
I didn't expect my moment of reckoning to happen at this time. <Laugh>

Jason Howell (02:27:00):
During the show live during the show.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:27:03):
All right.

Jason Howell (02:27:05):
It's okay. If you want to yeah. It's okay. Well, we're, we're all there at some point. Like it, it happens for all of us. If you want to follow this show and be, make sure that you're subscribed or, you know, catch up on past episodes, whatever you like go to twi.tv/t w IG for This Week in Google there, you're gonna find all the links you need to jump out to any podcaster and subscribe to jump out to YouTube. You also see on there, we record this show live every Wednesday, starting at 2:00 PM, Pacific 5:00 PM, Eastern 2200 UTC. And you can jump into the live chat as well and watch us in real time. Twi.Tv/Live. It's a lot of fun. And then also finally, just wanna mention club TWI mentioned it briefly a little bit before, but this is our ad free subscription tier twi.tv/club, TWI seven bucks a month.

Jason Howell (02:27:58):
You get no ads in your shows. You <laugh>, you get access to the discord. You get so much awesomeness all, all wrapped up in there, twit TV slash club tweet. You also get the TWI plus podcast feed. That's the one that I was forgetting where you get kind of like extra moments from that. Didn't make the, you know, the, the shows a lot of times some like our pre-show discussions are a lot of fun. So we throw that in the TWI plus feed, ant's been doing some amazing interviews and producing some cool extra bonus content. Sometimes we are introducing shows that aren't, you know, for everyone, it starts off just for club TWI members. And then as it grows in popularity, then we, you know, who knows we might open it up for everyone. So all that can be yours, twi.tv/club TWI. But I think we've reached the end. I have not much more to say I'm Jason Howell find me on twitter@jasonhowellandontechnewsweeklytomorrowwithmyasergeanttwi.tv slash TNW. But thank you so much for welcoming me into ears. For the week, Leo will be back next week. Well rested and it will no longer be a democracy. We'll see you next time on this weekend. <Laugh> hi buddy.

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