The Tech Guy Episode 1929 Transcript

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This is TWIT. Hi, this is Leo Laporte and this is my tech guy podcast this week, featuring Mikah Sargent this show originally aired in the premier networks on Saturday, September 24th, 2022. This is episode 1929. Enjoy this episode of the tech I brought to you by Noom with air psychology. First approach Noom weight empowers you to build more sustainable habits and behaviors. Sign up for your trial at Wellh Hey, Hey. Hey, how are you today? Leo Laporte here and Mikah Sargent too. Your tech guys for the day. Hello? Hello. We'll be your tech guys today, Mike and I we're tagged teaming. Eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo is the phone number. If you want to ask a question or make a comment or make a suggestion, Mikah takes everything that happened before. I'm sorry. I take everything that happened before 1981. <laugh> and you take everything else, right?

MIkah Sargent (00:01:10):
Yes. Yes. That works.

Leo Laporte (00:01:11):
Yeah. 88 88 ask that's toll free from the us or Canada outside that area. You could still use Skype or something. We get calls from all over the world. It's fun. Website is tech guy, tech guy We talk about everything with a chip in it, computers in the internet and home theater, digital photography. We talk about augmented reality, smart cars and in just a little bit sound and video with our AV expert are home theater geek. Scott Wilkinson Mike and I did this week though. Got our new iPhones that we did. Yeah. Yeah.

MIkah Sargent (00:01:51):
What color did you get again?

Leo Laporte (00:01:53):
I guess we talked about this last week. We did talk

MIkah Sargent (00:01:54):
About it a little bit last week. Yeah. At the

Leo Laporte (00:01:56):
Beginning I had to get gold. Yes.

MIkah Sargent (00:01:58):

Leo Laporte (00:01:58):
Got go. Lisa's came weirdly. Cuz I ordered her before horse before mine, but some reason it didn't come till yesterday. She

MIkah Sargent (00:02:05):
Got the black one, right?

Leo Laporte (00:02:07):
Yeah. Actually day before yesterday she took till today, actually last night after we and got home from a concert, what you were at and Kim was at yeah. Lisa decided to set up her new phone. What?

MIkah Sargent (00:02:20):
It was

Leo Laporte (00:02:20):
Like, well she figured you'd work overnight. Yeah. It was about one in the morning. Oh yeah. She figured it'd go overnight. Oh, okay. So she wakes up about 3:00 AM just to check <affirmative> her phone. And she nudges me. She says dead. I said, can we talk about this in the morning? <laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:02:37):
Is dead. My phone's dead. This is it. She'd already transferred her SIM over. So it was her phone. Right. But it was just a black screen. Apparently this is a problem with some number of iPhone 14 Promax is when you do the phone to phone transfer. So there's, there's a couple ways you could set up your new phone. You and I did the iCloud backup and restore. You can also connect the phones together. You can also, I don't know. There's all sorts. There's like four different ways to do it. Although the experts, people like John Gruber, daring fireball, you got trust somebody with a website named daring fireball <laugh> he says the best way to do it is phone to phone. So that's what Lisa did. And after it transferred the SIM, cuz the EIM thing is kind of cool. Just says, okay, you want this to be your new phone? She's on Verizon. I said, yeah. She said, okay, it's now your new phone. Congratulations. Well it takes a minute or two to activate, but then it starts to transfer the data over and black screen just dead. Can't turn it on or nothing. Wow. So I said, we'll do it in the morning. <laugh> please, please. And something. But she got up before me and popped out bed and searched the internet.

MIkah Sargent (00:03:57):

Leo Laporte (00:03:57):
Wow. And found that this not only is a common problem, but there's this easy fix, which is to do the reset and the reset on the iPhone. 14 is you press the volume up button. You press the volume down button. Then you press the screen on, off button and hold it until you get the white apple. And it worked and everything's fine, but it's a little and apparently there's not uncommon. So just, I mentioned this in case you get an it's only the iPhone pro math, 14 pros and I don't know what Apple's gonna do to fix it.

MIkah Sargent (00:04:25):
Yeah, of course. They just released the 0.0 0.2 update.

Leo Laporte (00:04:30):
But this is before that. Yeah,

MIkah Sargent (00:04:31):
Yeah, yeah. No. So you

Leo Laporte (00:04:32):
Kinda had a luck

MIkah Sargent (00:04:33):
Just that what I'm getting at is that there have been a lot of interesting sort of hurdles at the beginning of the

Leo Laporte (00:04:40):
Hurdles. Hurdles. Yeah.

MIkah Sargent (00:04:41):
Hurdles of turtles.

Leo Laporte (00:04:42):
Yeah. People with TikTok and Instagram and Snapchat were complaining. Not everybody, a few people that with their iPhone fourteens, they would shake uncontrollably when they opened the cameras in those apps go, which is weird. I think

MIkah Sargent (00:04:56):
That's the hear that rattle.

Leo Laporte (00:04:58):
I think that's the image stabilization, but I don't know. Anyway, that's apparently fixed with the new thing. What was the other problem there?

MIkah Sargent (00:05:07):
Oh goodness. It was no, there was a restore. No, no. It was an iMessage thing. Some people were not able to send messages to certain contacts and oh, that's weird. Also had an issue with airdrop. That's weird to certain. So yeah, there were a few

Leo Laporte (00:05:22):
Bugs. The way companies that do these things work is they at some point, usually some weeks before you actually get the phone, they freeze the operating system. They say, okay, this is it. iOS 16, the ready to manufacture or RTM version. And they send that to the factories in China. And so every phone gets made and they blast that on there and then you get it. And that's why almost always, when you get new hardware, the first thing you do is updated. <affirmative> there's almost always an update even if they just made it a couple of months ago or a couple of weeks ago, the operating system, as it comes out, people find problems and stuff. So they fix it. So there's a few that's normal. That's normal. We're gonna see a new Google phone in a couple of weeks. October 6th is the date. Microsoft is announced it's fall event, October 12th.

Leo Laporte (00:06:12):
We'll see if they do a new phone or a new surface or what they do. They have a phone, they call the duo. That is a miserable failure. <laugh> but they're supposedly going on year three. They're gonna make another, they've had that duo one in the duo two. I bought the original one. I thought it's very cool. It opens like a book. It's got two screens with hinge in the middle. It's not a folding screen. It's a two screen. It's kind of unlike the for Samsung folding screen. And the problem is the software doesn't really take advantage of the two screens. And so it was always kind of janky. So we'll see if they announce a new one of those. There's a rumor of a surface pro nine surface laptop five. So that will be Microsoft's fall of end, October 12th. So we got the sixth, the 12th, I'm thinking, I'm just looking at the Calandra and I'm thinking apple likes to do its things on Tuesdays, right? Yes, they did it on Wednesday, but that was the holiday Columbus. What day is Columbus day? Is that the third? I'm sorry. Indigenous people's event day. Yeah. I'm not sure. Anyway

MIkah Sargent (00:07:16):
It's a Monday. Isn't

Leo Laporte (00:07:17):
It? It's a Monday. You gotta avoid that. I think it's the 10th. Okay. Eric says it's the 10th. So go. Microsoft's avoiding that. They're two days later, nobody likes to do an event at the day after a holiday. Cuz then it makes people work on the holiday. So I'm thinking my guess is apple do it's on the 18th and what will they do? Will they'll have new Macin tots.

MIkah Sargent (00:07:40):

Leo Laporte (00:07:42):
Based on them. MTA chip odds and JIP. They'll also have new iPads, iPad and iPad pro and maybe other stuff. I don't know.

MIkah Sargent (00:07:53):
Yeah. The only rumors I've heard that I can fully get behind our max and IPO iPads. So

Leo Laporte (00:08:00):
Yeah. Mike and I are sitting here actually. We're hiding our disappointment. Yeah. We don't want to cry on the radio, but

MIkah Sargent (00:08:12):
We cried last night we

Leo Laporte (00:08:13):
Cried last night ups, the United parcel service was supposed to deliver to me a new apple watch ultra new AirPods two. You were supposed to get AirPods

MIkah Sargent (00:08:28):
To AirPods two. Yeah. What happened? Leo? They didn't

Leo Laporte (00:08:33):
Show up on time and we had to go to a concert. So we went to the concert and then we got a message at the concert saying, oh, we tried to deliver it, but we didn't. So we're taking it back. Yeah.

MIkah Sargent (00:08:44):
I wanna talk to someone from ups to see if what both of our theories is true. That on event day on days when apple is releasing devices, if they change the route and

Leo Laporte (00:08:57):
I think they have a special guy doing it because it's cause my guy would've left

MIkah Sargent (00:09:00):
It. And normally when ups delivers a package, even on the ones that say you have to sign for this, my guy always leaves

Leo Laporte (00:09:07):
It. Yeah. Cause we know him and we tip him on Christmas and we like him and we,

MIkah Sargent (00:09:11):
So for them to not leave the package this time, it was out of shocking of

Leo Laporte (00:09:16):
Shocking, a dereliction of expectation. They also came after. They said they would come. They said between five and seven. Yes they

MIkah Sargent (00:09:21):
Came. I think they were delivering a lot of odds today. It's hard for yeah. And I'm not ultimately I get why they didn't because I would believe that there are probably groups of people out there who are at least paying attention enough to know roundabout is this day is whenever the new iPhone is going to hit. People's doorsteps is when the new AirPods are gonna hit

Leo Laporte (00:09:43):
People's steps. They have a bunch of boxes, all the same shape in the back of the truck. They all say AI, which is Apple's code for apple incorporated. And yeah, they have, I think is a special person who is trained to throw them just right.

MIkah Sargent (00:09:58):
Just a specialist. Just yeah. They're actually, they used to be in Frisbee golf. They only hire Frisbee

Leo Laporte (00:10:03):
Golf, only hire Frisbee. Golfers just had to throw that over the fence. Anyway, ours will come Monday now. Yeah,

MIkah Sargent (00:10:11):
I have to. So this is what I'm nervous about is I waited and waited and waited and then it was time we had to go. And so I went online on ups and I said, I would like to pick up my package. Oh, on Monday, didn't from the place. Then later on while we were driving. Yeah. An email popped up that I had my partner. Don't worry. I was driving. And it said that both of those packages, they would reattempts delivery on Monday. So now my concern is

Leo Laporte (00:10:39):
To be, they're gonna be confused. They don't know what to do.

MIkah Sargent (00:10:42):
Yes. So where's it gonna be?

Leo Laporte (00:10:43):
Can I tell you my horror story?

MIkah Sargent (00:10:46):
Yes, please.

Leo Laporte (00:10:47):
I bought a back when the M one first came outta MacBook and the guy came to our office and I don't know either. Couldn't find, I think he couldn't find it. I think this was FedEx though. And he just sent it back to the company. He said, I can't find him.

MIkah Sargent (00:11:01):
You got your money back. But that also meant you had to wait.

Leo Laporte (00:11:03):
I had to wait like three months <laugh> so I'm just hoping that they have it at the ups store and they bring it. I'm not, I'm not

MIkah Sargent (00:11:12):
Gonna lie to you. The product I was most excited about were the AirPods pro two, because I've had my AirPods pro for a long time. And then the a C the active noise cancellation stopped working, or a bunch of issues. And I've been waiting to replace them for so long. So I was pumped to get these AirPods pro two.

Leo Laporte (00:11:28):
Aw, well, I was excited about getting a humongous watch.

MIkah Sargent (00:11:31):
Yeah. I was excited to hear about your thoughts on the ultra. I

Leo Laporte (00:11:33):
Was gonna wear my humongous watch to the concert last night, but no, I had to wear my old se series seven. Actually. I think this is a series six. I just skipped a couple of years. <affirmative> so I don't know, actually, that's one of the things that's interesting about the watch. They haven't updated the processor in three years.

MIkah Sargent (00:11:49):
Yeah. It's an old processor and the most recent one is not that I I'm trying to hold onto it long enough at least to do the wrist temperature tracking. I have to wear it to bed five times. You wanna

Leo Laporte (00:12:01):
Know when you're retrospectively ovulating? Well,

MIkah Sargent (00:12:03):
No, because you can still get temperature trends outside of retrospective ovulation. So they will actually give you that information, regardless of whether you sign up for retrospective ovulation, but you still have to wear it for five days to bed in order to get that the sort of laying the base, the what is it called? Synchronization or initial style

Leo Laporte (00:12:21):
Once we could talk about it now. But I think once we get the watch and we try it, we could talk about retrospect. You're sending ears back. You're

MIkah Sargent (00:12:29):
Serious. That's what I'm

Leo Laporte (00:12:31):
Back. Huh?

MIkah Sargent (00:12:32):
After I finish doing that reviewing conversation. Yeah. I've still got, you

Leo Laporte (00:12:36):
Have to sleep five nights and I've with a watch. I'm not sleeping with my watch on

MIkah Sargent (00:12:40):
You four. I've done three or four,

Leo Laporte (00:12:41):
Especially that big old titanium watch. I clonked my wife in the head.

MIkah Sargent (00:12:44):
I was planning on doing that last night. But for some reason it died at the concert. I don't know if I didn't charge

Leo Laporte (00:12:50):
It again. Another reason why the Ultra's cool cuz apparently three days bad or three, two and a half. Anyway. Anyway. Sorry. Get be. So I thought we would have at least a little bit to talk about. I was hoping we would yeah. Said we're talking about what else is going on shorts. That's it we're out of time. 88, 80. There's nothing else happening now. There's other stuff. We'll talk about that. Eighty eight eighty eight ask Leo is the phone number eight eighty eight, eight two. You could say ask Leo and Mikah. Let's be fair. 8, 8, 8 8 2 7 5 5 3 6 4 7 3 3 9 9 9 1 2 1 2 more calls. After this. You slept with your ultra last night. He lept with his ultra last night. Aw, Aw.

MIkah Sargent (00:13:38):

Leo Laporte (00:13:42):

MIkah Sargent (00:13:44):
Who is a listener of the shows. They ended up getting theirs. The ups made an oopsie and they got theirs on Wednesday.

Leo Laporte (00:13:53):
Oh, that's a good oopsie. Not a bad.

MIkah Sargent (00:13:56):
Oops. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. Ups made an oopsie against, I guess apple.

Leo Laporte (00:13:59):
It's excellent. Oopsie. So you're going to see Mr. Waters. Huh? You're gonna have fun. I don't where are you going to see him? Oh yeah. Tonight. Yeah. That's right. There was two shows. Yeah, there, I hope this isn't a spoiler, but there will be a giant inflatable spoiler sheep floating around <laugh> it's doing some results in the chase arena. Here's Lisa checking the pig just to make sure.

MIkah Sargent (00:14:40):
Now I think that context is important on that photo because the pig says F the poor and it's a rich pig. It is. Yeah. And so that this is satire cuz when I first saw that I was like, wait what? No,

Leo Laporte (00:14:56):
No, you have to understand

MIkah Sargent (00:14:57):
Mr. You have waters. Exactly. So anybody listening, who doesn't understand Mr. Waters,

Leo Laporte (00:15:00):
Furthermore, this might scare you as well.

MIkah Sargent (00:15:03):
Yes. Honestly, even though I knew that that was a weapon that was made to do what it did. I just thought about all of those scary shootings that happened on set.

Leo Laporte (00:15:13):
Well, and he talks about those, right?

MIkah Sargent (00:15:14):
Yeah. I thought, I wonder how that works. Cuz it makes me think of it's just a, who was it?

Leo Laporte (00:15:21):
Baldwin. Yeah. There's no bullets in there. I don't, I would think that would be, it does. It has a big, has I saw them fiddling with the people.

MIkah Sargent (00:15:30):
Yeah. Same.

Leo Laporte (00:15:30):
I think it's pneumatic of some kind. You think it's a mic cable? No,

MIkah Sargent (00:15:36):
I think he was kidding.

Leo Laporte (00:15:44):
It's got flame coming out of the barrel. This was my favorite effect. Yeah. I'm really spoiling this. I'm sorry. Retcon five.

MIkah Sargent (00:15:52):
Those laser. That was really cool. Projector. Things were really neat. I wonder how much each one of those costs. That's what I was thinking about.

Leo Laporte (00:15:58):
This concert had the best ending ever. Yeah. The March.

MIkah Sargent (00:16:01):
Yeah. That was really cool.

Leo Laporte (00:16:03):
He says Roger says kinda like a bar. You're sitting at the bar. I wish we could get you all around the piano, but there's too many of you. He uses the effort a lot.

MIkah Sargent (00:16:10):
Yes he does. He

Leo Laporte (00:16:11):
Probably notices that

MIkah Sargent (00:16:13):
He's an F Fisha

Leo Laporte (00:16:14):
F Fido.

MIkah Sargent (00:16:16):
And I love that. One of those singers is a big mezcal fan.

Leo Laporte (00:16:20):
Yeah. Mezcal. He says there's just water in there. I wanna

MIkah Sargent (00:16:25):
Know what his water is. Cuz it looks well. We got a barcode. It looks so

Leo Laporte (00:16:28):
Fancy. And the barcode I got the barcode. It's fancy water. Yeah. He's drinking. Or he just put water in a

MIkah Sargent (00:16:36):
Mini bottle. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:16:38):
Anyway, you're gonna love the show. If you're a pink Floyd fan Ray con five, you will enjoy it. Or a Roger Waters fan. He does a lot of stuff from the new. Aw, lost the telephone. That's a good song for you, Kim Scher. Hi Kim. I see both you and Mikah arrived.

Kim Schaffer (00:17:00):

MIkah Sargent (00:17:01):
<laugh> <laugh> oh, I don't see. I don't don't imbibe so oh

Kim Schaffer (00:17:06):
No, no I didn't. I oh you didn't.

Leo Laporte (00:17:07):
But we just got back

Kim Schaffer (00:17:09):
At that place is too expensive for my blood. I'm not paying 1950 for a beater. I refuse. So no I'm totally sober.

Leo Laporte (00:17:16):
I had not been there. This is the new warriors. Golden state warriors arena.

Kim Schaffer (00:17:20):
It's quite for it somehow. Huh? And it's the concession area that's doing?

MIkah Sargent (00:17:24):
<laugh> absolutely.

Leo Laporte (00:17:25):
Did you enjoy the show last night though?

Kim Schaffer (00:17:27):
Oh yeah. It was awesome. It was yeah. He puts on an

Leo Laporte (00:17:30):
Show. John our studio manager brought us a very generous,

MIkah Sargent (00:17:36):

Leo Laporte (00:17:36):
Generous. Well, I'm gonna try to sneak some money in his pay packet, but that's good. Yeah. He got us nice seats and we had a bunch of people from the company go and Kim went and Mike and went and I went and it was fun. It was fun. But we didn't get home till like one in the morning. Yeah.

Kim Schaffer (00:17:52):
<laugh> I think I got dropped off at about 1230.

Leo Laporte (00:17:54):
Yeah. I was gonna say you were with the speedier driver.

Kim Schaffer (00:17:57):
I was with the speedy driver and I got dropped off about 25 miles before your

Leo Laporte (00:18:02):
Here. <laugh> Lisa, Lisa and I are driving in and I look in my side mirror and I see this big giant hair do

Kim Schaffer (00:18:13):
<laugh> a hairball.

Leo Laporte (00:18:14):
Yeah. Fluff, fluff ball. A guy used to work for us and I thought, why am I seeing Alex go in? My Sifu mirror was, I was a very disoriented. And then the car went,

Kim Schaffer (00:18:25):
He's supposed to be in Seattle. Right.

Leo Laporte (00:18:27):
Just, he doesn't live here anymore. And it was just a strange, I said, the guy looks just like, and then the car went by and it was you. And it kept going by the way. And <laugh> that Audi wrestled drives like a madman. <laugh> so yeah. Got you guys got there a lot earlier than we did, but that's alright. Who should I start? Who should we start? This?

Kim Schaffer (00:18:48):
Let's go to Nancy in LA getting text. She thinks are spam, but wants to oh

Leo Laporte (00:18:52):
They are

Kim Schaffer (00:18:53):
Right. If you think they're probably are. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:18:56):
Thanks Kim. Hello Nancy, Leo and Mikah. Your tech guys.

Caller 1 (00:19:00):
Hi guys. Thank you.

Leo Laporte (00:19:02):
Thanks for calling what's up.

Caller 1 (00:19:05):
Okay. The texts say your messenger verification code is G dash and then six

Leo Laporte (00:19:14):
Digit. Oh, that's a Google message.

Caller 1 (00:19:16):
Well, but I tried to do it legitimately with one of my accounts. Yeah. And it says it starts off with G number is your Google verification.

Leo Laporte (00:19:29):
So it

Caller 1 (00:19:30):

Leo Laporte (00:19:30):
Differently. So yeah. Now is there a link in that text message?

Caller 1 (00:19:36):
Well, the G number is underlined.

Leo Laporte (00:19:39):
Yeah. But if you, it doesn't take you anywhere, then it's kind of tried it. Yeah. Well you're right. Not to try it. Yeah, definitely don't wanna do that. But yeah, anytime you get, so here's a few tips. This has become an epidemic. This kind of spam texting and usually it's a scam. Spam, spam scam, scam spam. Yes. That they're trying to get you to do something. Sometimes it's just a person saying hello and hoping, you'll say hello back. Sometimes it's a fake one saying something like, oh, I can't make it to work tomorrow. I'm not feeling very well. Can you please let Joe know?

Caller 1 (00:20:20):
Oh, I've gotten phone calls like that.

Leo Laporte (00:20:22):
Yeah. And then you go, oh, I'm this isn't who you think it is. I'm sorry. You're not feeling well. And they get in a big conversation and almost always with try and then try to sell you cryptocurrency. I don't know why that is, but it's a cryptocurrency scam. I don't know about this G scam. If you get a verification, here's your code. Enter it in. And you didn't ask for it. That is, I think, cause for concern, I mean somebody's good that, do you have two factor on your Google account?

Caller 1 (00:20:52):
Yes. I have several Google accounts, but I have two factors on all of those. Good. So I don't know which one it's coming from,

Leo Laporte (00:21:02):
But you didn't ask for it.

Caller 1 (00:21:04):
No, no. And I get it every few days.

Leo Laporte (00:21:08):
Yeah. So somebody

Caller 1 (00:21:10):
Is really trying

Leo Laporte (00:21:11):
Is now sometimes I don't think Google does this Google. I think almost a always asks for your email, your password. And then does the two factor. Some sites. Microsoft is one of them will just say, gimme your email, your phone number and then send you a text. So that one you could see, you would get a lot of fake people. As long as you keep this tight control of your phone number. You're okay. But there's something called SIM jacking where people call the phone company, pretend to be Nancy from LA and get a SIM mail to them. And then this will work. So it doesn't say Google. Huh? Just says G dash is your verification code?

Caller 1 (00:21:52):
Your no, the

Leo Laporte (00:21:53):
Hold on. We gotta take a break. Just hang on. We'll talk off the air. Leo and MICUs Scott Wilkinson coming. Okay. Sorry. We had to, that music tells us I don't care what you're doing. We're going we're outta here. We're gone. We're history. So I would do a Google security checkup

Leo Laporte (00:22:20):
And just see what Google says. And then there are some Google services. For instance, I was getting a bunch of these and it turned out one of our employees was trying to log into Google ads, which is tied to my Google account. <laugh> and let's see, I got one at 6 30, 9, 6 48. <laugh> I got some in the middle of the night. He was really trying hard, but it turned out. I found out it was an employee. So it was okay. But yeah, I would be a little concerned if you start getting a lot of attempts to verify from an account, you know, have that means somebody's trying to get in. And if it's an account that has a password, then it's time to change the password.

Caller 1 (00:23:03):
The wording is strange cuz it says your messenger verification code. Now the legitimate one. Didn't say that, huh?

Leo Laporte (00:23:12):
Messenger is Facebook, right? That's the only messenger I know of he or

Caller 1 (00:23:20):
Is text is the text.

Leo Laporte (00:23:22):
I thought the text app was called messages. It is. It's not. Okay. Messenger is Facebook. Do you have a Facebook account?

Caller 1 (00:23:28):
No. Well yes I do. I never use it.

Leo Laporte (00:23:32):
So somebody might be trying to get into your Facebook messenger.

Caller 1 (00:23:35):
Facebook. Ugh. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:23:39):
That's the only messenger I know of.

Caller 1 (00:23:41):
Okay, great.

Leo Laporte (00:23:42):
So I would check your Facebook and make sure that that's why do somebody wanna steal a messenger account? Cuz then they can send more of these spam messages from your account and maybe have a chance of getting accepted because it's a legit account. So yeah. Okay. That sounds like the G it's funny cuz the G is means Google, right? G dash. Yeah.

Caller 1 (00:24:01):
I was very confused.

Leo Laporte (00:24:02):
I don't know if Facebook messenger. I don't have a Facebook account. I don't know if messenger does a G dash. Yeah

MIkah Sargent (00:24:07):
They wouldn't. No.

Leo Laporte (00:24:08):
Oh, but yeah,

MIkah Sargent (00:24:10):
That's weird. Somebody did get that. The same issue they posted about it. They say with the same quote, your messenger verification code. Yeah. Everyone was like, that's not how Google does it. So just don't if anyone calls you afterward and is asking, oh, did you get that? We're just going to log you in. Then

Leo Laporte (00:24:25):
Don't a big one, by the way. In fact that's how Uber got hacked recently and rockstar games got hacked recently is that's called social engineering. Somebody will call up and say,

Leo Laporte (00:24:37):
Yeah, I'm I'm from it downstairs. And I just wanna make sure that the system

Leo Laporte (00:24:43):
Is working. Can you read us that text that we just sent you? Yeah. And then you go. Yeah, sure. It was G dash 1 39 45.

Leo Laporte (00:24:51):
Yeah, that works. That's great. Thank you very much. Sorry to bother you. Bye.

Leo Laporte (00:24:54):
And that's how they got into Uber. Some doof. It was a contractor, but that's bad security. So yeah, usually that's I think attempt to get into something.

Caller 1 (00:25:05):
Yeah. All right. Can I one more change of subject. I have a pixel six pro and so it's only whatever, a couple years old. It regularly drops off of wifi here at the house.

Leo Laporte (00:25:26):

Caller 1 (00:25:27):
Is that mean anything I have to restart? And then it hooks connects again. Is it just getting old? It's

MIkah Sargent (00:25:36):
Not that old. Oh, that shouldn't be no, it's

Leo Laporte (00:25:37):
More likely your WiFi's doing something

MIkah Sargent (00:25:40):
To do with your wifi.

Caller 1 (00:25:41):

Leo Laporte (00:25:42):

MIkah Sargent (00:25:42):
How many have you tried going in and removing your wifi accounts and then logging back into your wifi accounts account

Leo Laporte (00:25:49):
Or rebooting your router? Yeah, sometimes routers drop off.

Caller 1 (00:25:53):
Okay. I'll try all that. Yeah.

MIkah Sargent (00:25:55):
Some of those basic things can solve, but I had that same issue with a windows machine. It was a surface laptop and basically removing the wifi logging back in again and then rebooting the wifi router, solve it for me.

Caller 1 (00:26:09):
Okay, great. Thanks

Leo Laporte (00:26:11):
Nancy. Always a pleasure. Take care.

Caller 1 (00:26:14):
You too. Bye.

Leo Laporte (00:26:16):
I was just talking to Lisa this morning about our sponsor Noom and I thought cuz Lisa always to me been slender cause I'm fat. So she's always been very slender to me and I thought, oh, you know, probably what Noom you lost five pounds or something like that. She's said almost 2020. Wow.

Leo Laporte (00:26:39):
And the thing that's been great for her about Noom. It's not a diet. It's easy for her to follow. We went to the concert last night, she ate crappy concert food, but I see her get out her phone. She puts it in her Noom. She's got her coach. Noom is kind of a remarkable story. I've been doing Noom too. I lost 20 pounds and I pretty much kept it off. Ever since new weight is not about a diet Noom. Weight is a psychology first approach that empowers you to build more sustainable habits and behaviors with lasting results. So I started this Noom journey about a year and a half ago. I think I'd seen the TV ads and all that. And I said, well, I gotta try it and bless her heart. Lisa said, well, I'll do it with you. Not cuz she wanted lose weight, but cause she wanted to be a good spouse supportive except she loves it.

Leo Laporte (00:27:28):
She's more she like, wow, this is great. She loves her Noom to date. Noom weight has helped more than 3.6 million people lose weight. There are a lot of people who love Noom on average 15. Now of course you're gonna be different. Everybody's different. So 15 pounds in 16 weeks, as I said, Lisa and I both lost 20 pounds. She's lost 19. I've lost 2090 5% of customers say Noom weight is a good long term solution. She's been on sustainable. The maintenance, I guess they call it for about six months. But it's interesting. Every once in a while she goes, I think I want to go down five more paths. And she does. It's amazing. It's based on scientific principles like C BT co, you probably heard about C, B T cognitive behavioral therapy. It's not talk therapy. It's giving you tools to help you understand your relationship with food and to modify it.

Leo Laporte (00:28:28):
So for instance, I found out, I really learned this early on. I was a fog eater. I'd come home from work starving and just fill my mouth with stuff standing up often. So with noo, both of us now, and it's great having your spouse do it. If you can. I highly recommend it. Cuz both of us now we turn off the TV. We put away the phones, we sit down knife and fork, cloth napkin, and we taste the food. Sometimes I'll even close my eyes and taste it. And if something psychological happens, when you're really paying attention to what you're eating, you eat less because you're more satisfied. Noom. Doesn't believe in restricting what you can or can't eat. Whether your health, whatever your health goals are. It's a very flexible non-restrictive program. It focuses on progress. Instead of perfection, you choose your level of support with Noom.

Leo Laporte (00:29:17):
You can have a coach, you have a group and you have lessons and you can choose if you want just a five minute daily. Check-in personal coaching. I do 15 minutes every day. I like actually the lessons are really good. They have quizzes. And it's all about teaching you. What's going on with you. You'll notice when you sign up for new, you answer a lot of questions. I know that's the first it was, I was like, really? They're really asking a lot of questions, but that's cuz they're really tailoring this program to you. They understand though that progress is not a straight line off days are okay. In fact, after a while I was starting to earn bonus days where they said, okay, Hey, whatever you want <laugh> I love that. And then Noom, wake keeps you on track. They published more than it really works. Scientifically based. They published more than 30 peer reviewed scientific articles to inform users and practitioners and scientists, everybody about their methods, about their effectiveness.

Leo Laporte (00:30:13):
I sing their praises all the time. Lisa has become their number one advocate. She just wrote to the president of the company said, if you need an endorsement, <laugh> Aw. If you have anybody who's wondering, I will be glad to talk to them. It's really kind of amazing. And she has never looked or felt better. It's really remarkable. Stay focused on what's important to you with Noom N double om Noom weights, psychology based approach. Sign up for your trial today at Please use that. So they know you saw it here. N O w I T sign up for your trial, try it out. Don't be put off by those questions. That's how they tailor it. Very specifically to your habits. It's not a program for everybody. It's not even a diet. It's about teaching you what you're doing and how you control it.

Leo Laporte (00:31:07):
And it's fantastic. Thank you Noom. I told you one of our chatters was on the cruise. I told you this and I didn't know I was looking for him. Finally, I typed in the chat. I said, oh, I guess you didn't go on the cruise. I don't see ya. He said, I'm right here. <laugh> but he'd lost 60 pounds on noo. Well, he said said I've lost 60 pounds. And he shaved off his beard to be fair, which is probably three pounds. And I said, how'd you do it? He said, no. Wow. It really works. It really? And he's kept it off. We went to dinner with him and his wife last week. It was really great to see him. He's just doing great Noom, Thank you. Noom. He's the hipster himself. Mr. Scott Wilkinson our home theater geek. Woo. All the way from Santa Cruz, California. Hello Scott. Ah, Hey Leo, how you doing? I am well, how was still ringing? Yeah, no. Yeah. We protected ourselves. We protected ourselves. In fact, Mike forgot his.

MIkah Sargent (00:32:17):
I forgot mine. I had planned to bring them and I completely forgot them. But Lisa saved

Leo Laporte (00:32:21):
My life. My wife brings two. I brought two, two in case anybody excellent missed earplugs earplugs. I wear the emotive ear protection, which has a little bit of filter through it. So it's not, it's only 13 DB better than nothing there, better than nothing. I also, I always bring with me the ones I got at target, which are 20 DB <laugh> <affirmative> in case it's not. But my watch said as soon as it started, there was like a thunder crack. It said that's 90 DB. Don't listen to that for too long. And then it got up at one point said there was only two moments when it got really last at a hundred DB listening at this level for any length of time. Cause how hearing loss. So I was very glad I had those earplugs

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:02):
Boy. I am too.

Leo Laporte (00:33:03):
Yeah. I have

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:05):
A new pair of custom molded ones who

Leo Laporte (00:33:07):
That's cuz you're a musician. Right?

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:09):
I'm a musician. I need that. But I would certainly be wearing them at a wa Roger Waters concert. That's for the yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:33:15):
Yeah. He wasn't. I mean, wasn't horrible, but there were two moments over 90 DB and that's nice that the apple watch will. That's one of thes. I really like will let you know. That's

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:24):
Really nice. I

Leo Laporte (00:33:25):
Agree. And you can go into your health and see how many times you're exposed to extra loud sounds and that's that is part, I think it's interesting. Apple's really focused more and more on kind of taking care of their customers and the health and wellbeing of their customers. My new phone and new watch have crash detection. I saw somebody on Reddit say, well, I can tell you crash detection works and sent it, put up a picture of him and his vehicle destroyed in an auto red. Whoa, he I'm fine. But my watch goodness definitely worked.

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:57):
It told you you had a crash didn't

Leo Laporte (00:33:59):
You that yeah. So it hasn't, well you knew it, but if you were unconscious, it would call 9 1 1 which four, which is point all. All

Scott Wilkinson (00:34:06):

Leo Laporte (00:34:06):
That makes sense. So what's going on in the world of high five,

Scott Wilkinson (00:34:11):
Whoa man, we've got a scandal in the audio file world. No. Hear about this. What a serious scandal. There is a record label, an audio file record label called mobile fidelity, shortened to mofi. And for years and years they have sold vinyl records that they said explicitly, we it's entirely analog throughout the entire signal chain. We take the original master tape and we transfer it analog. And we cut the record, analog everything's analog and they charge a premium for these LPs. Now we come to find that they actually were transferring them to digital and then cutting records from that. And the there's many things about this that are very interesting. I mean, it's false advertising for one thing, there's a class action suit being filed. They've been doing this since 2011 but what's interest most interesting to me, one of the most interesting things is the audio files who write about this, who review these records didn't know. Yeah. They couldn't tell. Well, therefore <laugh>. And so the argument of, well, analog is better than digital. Here was a sort of unintentional semi blind test and it didn't work digital. They all said, oh, this sounds great. Now the digital process that mofi used does sound great when used, well it's not the normal audio, which is called PCM pulse code modulation. That's what CDs use. That's what most streaming music uses. But there's a different format of digital audio called DSD direct stream digital to explain how it works is probably more than the time we have. But my

Leo Laporte (00:36:21):
Friend Norman, who's a vinyl aholic has a massive record collection. He says even the ones with the DSD step, the digital steps sound amazing. So there's still doing high quality stuff. He says he has about 75 mofi albums. He doesn't buy the $125 one steps. And those are the ones.

Scott Wilkinson (00:36:45):
Those are the ones

Leo Laporte (00:36:46):
That are, people feel ripped

Scott Wilkinson (00:36:47):
Off class action. Yes,

Leo Laporte (00:36:48):

Scott Wilkinson (00:36:49):
Yeah, because they say they took the original analog master tapes and used those to cut these records. Well, there's a problem with that. Analog tapes are finite. The more you play them, the, they start to degrade the tape themselves. Right? So these

Leo Laporte (00:37:09):
In fact that was the point that some were making is if they really were doing digital one steps, they were burning these tapes out completely.

Scott Wilkinson (00:37:16):
Exactly. Exactly. And are you gonna do that to the thriller master tape? No. Or the Santana of Braus master tape. You're

Leo Laporte (00:37:25):
Not right.

Scott Wilkinson (00:37:27):
And you have to do that because you have to, depending on how many records you make, you can only stamp so many records out of a master stamper thing. And then you have to remake it with the original vinyl or the original master tape. So it makes a lot of sense to go through this digital DSD process and any audio file digital that you buy is probably using this DSD process. So no, you know, it don't lose quality going to digital. This is proof of that

Leo Laporte (00:38:03):
In a way. It is isn't it?

Scott Wilkinson (00:38:04):
Yeah, exactly. But the fact that mofi concealed it and in fact claimed something else. Yeah. It would've just been honest from the get go. Exactly. It wouldn't have had this problem. They wouldn't have had this problem and it's a 10 year old now it's gone back 10 more than 10 years.

Leo Laporte (00:38:25):
And it does raise this point that people with golden ears who claim they could tell the difference. <affirmative>

Scott Wilkinson (00:38:34):
Exactly right. Exactly. So we're gonna be talking about this on my podcast next Tuesday with mark Waldrip, the owner and recording engineer for IX records. Another high end audio file

Leo Laporte (00:38:49):
Records. Oh, I'd love to hear what mark has to say.

Scott Wilkinson (00:38:51):
Oh man, he's gonna have a lot to say about that. Yes

Leo Laporte (00:38:55):
<laugh> but does he do, what does he do the same DSD stuff or

Scott Wilkinson (00:38:59):
No, he uses PCM. He uses high resolution PCM at 24 bits, 96 kilohertz for the technical. So

Leo Laporte (00:39:09):
Specs older classic albums. You mentioned a couple miles Davis kind of blew all were recorded on tape because that's analog tape. That's all we had. Right? So you wanna get the best quality version of that, but it's honestly, it's, there's gonna be issues with it. It's not. So there at everybody, what a digital really take over maybe 20 years ago that everything was reported digital nothing's recorded

Scott Wilkinson (00:39:36):
On tape. Well, not everything. It was a ramp, but now very few things are recorded in analog. You can hardly find an analog tape machine.

Leo Laporte (00:39:42):
Yeah. It's some sort of weird TWE enthusiast thing. Well, we're gonna see and an am pick

Scott Wilkinson (00:39:52):

Leo Laporte (00:39:52):
Nobody's gonna do that. So you're gonna get digital digital, the whole point of these of IX and other people who sell high quality recordings is they're digital to digital all the way you're listening on a digital device, but it's the higher bit rate, correct? That makes the difference.

Scott Wilkinson (00:40:10):
Mark. Mark makes a big point of that. He says he records at 24 96. He mixes at 24 96. He masters at 24 96. He releases at 24 96 and lower formats as well. But he keeps the signal chain very pure in the digital domain.

Leo Laporte (00:40:25):
I once asked Joe Walsh who still records a lot and has a home studio. What do you record at? Yeah. And the CDs are 44,100 samples of 16 bit numbers per

Scott Wilkinson (00:40:37):
Second. Correct? Per second.

Leo Laporte (00:40:39):
That's CD quality. He says, I don't wanna record it at a higher sample rate. The files get too big, but I do record it 24 bit. I feel like he says,

Scott Wilkinson (00:40:48):
Which gives you more dynamic range.

Leo Laporte (00:40:50):
That's the way to get high fidelity. You don't need a higher sample rate. I do 32 bits. So <laugh> whatever I record my zither recordings. That's what I do. Right? Scott Wilkinson. This will be one to watch next week, mark Wald talking about this on Tuesday scandal.

Scott Wilkinson (00:41:10):
That's right.

Leo Laporte (00:41:12):
Thank you. Scott Leo and Mikah Morris calls right after this scandal, Morse calls. Morse calls. We'll have Morse code right after this. And now this is coming in Morse code. Yeah. My friend Norman said this. He, what did he say? He said people's heads are blowing up. <laugh>

Scott Wilkinson (00:41:34):

Leo Laporte (00:41:35):
He said he, what did he say? He said vinyl geeks heads are exploding on all sides. Hysterical. Yep. Yep. But he still thinks, and he's very serious. He has, he's

Scott Wilkinson (00:41:47):
A vinyl aholic,

Leo Laporte (00:41:48):
HES, a wall of vinyl. He's got a very, very, very good stereo and oh, I'm sure. Yeah. He's always he wrote a couple books about the Beatles. He's a big Beatles guy. So the guy who broke this story, Mike Mike in groove, what is his name? Mike IG.

Scott Wilkinson (00:42:04):
Yeah. I've forgotten his name, but yeah, he does a high end vinyl store.

Leo Laporte (00:42:09):

Scott Wilkinson (00:42:10):
Yeah. Or maybe an online reseller. I forget. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:42:13):
Yeah. He knows him.

Scott Wilkinson (00:42:17):
Yeah. Yeah. has a great article about it.

Leo Laporte (00:42:24):
Yeah. We talked about it a couple weeks ago, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Scott Wilkinson (00:42:28):

Leo Laporte (00:42:28):

Scott Wilkinson (00:42:29):
What's amazing. In what another article on aholic made a point of that I thought was really good was Hey, our hobby getting national press. Yeah. C CNN and NBR and Washington post are all writing about this. That's a good thing. <laugh> right. Jim Davis. Oh no. That's music direct. Let me see if I can find who the guy's name on.

Leo Laporte (00:42:58):
Yeah. I wanna give him credit. I don't know how he discovered it though.

Scott Wilkinson (00:43:04):
Let's see.

Leo Laporte (00:43:05):
Yeah. This is a really good article on aholic. I'm looking at this. Yeah. Yeah. This was the YouTube video.

Scott Wilkinson (00:43:12):

Leo Laporte (00:43:13):
Yeah. His name is the in groove.

Scott Wilkinson (00:43:18):
The in groove. Yeah. It's the what

Leo Laporte (00:43:22):
Is his he's standing there in front of his for Phoenix, Arizona. They sell records.

Scott Wilkinson (00:43:27):
They sell vinyls. Yeah. They sell vinyl. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:43:30):
Yeah. The in groove.

Scott Wilkinson (00:43:36):
I can't, I'm looking for it. I can't really see it either.

Leo Laporte (00:43:40):
Yeah. I don't know what his name is, but Michael. Yeah. Michael Ludvig I think. Does that sound right? Let me what he say, Mike in Grove. Yeah. Yeah. Mike Michael Ludvig is his name.

Scott Wilkinson (00:43:55):
Okay. Yeah. He broke it on YouTube like a month ago. Less

Leo Laporte (00:44:03):
Than a month ago. Yeah. We talked about it when it first broke Norman. Oh, did you? Yeah. Yeah. August 9th is the message from Norman was the day after we did ours. So in August at some point,

Scott Wilkinson (00:44:13):
Right. And then, well this

Leo Laporte (00:44:18):
<laugh> and then Norman did a video response too. He said electrical banana is gonna be a sudden mofi craze. <laugh> <laugh> a very finally thing to say, that's Norman for you. That's great.

??? (00:44:33):
Just have a digital step in them. And some people say, Hey, if you like them, it doesn't matter. I do a lot of them as you've seen on my channel during my showcases, my most recent 10 mobile fidelity records that I love the sound on.

Leo Laporte (00:44:50):
Yeah. So I can't tell difference, but he can. So Hey, you want sit around for the top?

MIkah Sargent (00:44:56):
Yeah. Sure. Thank you. Thank

Leo Laporte...? (00:44:58):
You, Scott. Welcome zone. You're very welcome. The man, the missed the legend

Leo Laporte (00:45:10):
Last analog Chumley says I knew of was F fighters and they sent sections of the tape in the CD jewel case. Well, that's one way to get rid of your masters. <laugh> <laugh> wow. Sorry.

Scott Wilkinson (00:45:23):
No masters anymore.

Leo Laporte (00:45:24):
I just sent them out in our wow. In CDs. Is this from Piper? At the gates of Dawn <laugh> is old. That is old. Very nice. Good choice there. Professor Laura musical director pink Floyd kind of before they were pink Floyd, almost eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo the phone number (888) 827-5536. What's really cool. On your pixel six phone

MIkah Sargent (00:45:52):
What's that

Leo Laporte (00:45:54):
You have a pixel six <affirmative> it listens to all the music that's playing around you and it will give you a playlist of the music you've heard today.

MIkah Sargent (00:46:01):
I do love that

Leo Laporte (00:46:03):
Feature. Some

MIkah Sargent (00:46:04):
People might be creeped out by it, but I think

Leo Laporte (00:46:05):
It's well, it doesn't send it back to Google. It all process locally and database of signatures, song signatures on the phone. So it's not perfect. It's only about a hundred thousand songs. So we'll miss the more obscure songs, but it gets all the well known names. Well,

MIkah Sargent (00:46:20):
Many of the ones you're going to hear out loud are gonna be ones that are probably,

Leo Laporte (00:46:22):
And you don't have to. Well, it's so funny because I was watching some show and it kept saying, oh, there's the theme from that show again? <laugh> I think it was the house of the dragon. Oh, game of Thrones theme. Again, it almost says again, you keep listening to this again. <laugh> any other song. And again, the game of throne theme somebody was saying that they it's so good that they can play a song themselves and sing it and it will recognize it. Wow.

MIkah Sargent (00:46:51):
Yeah. That's impressive. Google

Leo Laporte (00:46:52):
It's artificial intelligence. Is there anything it can't do <laugh> yeah. Drive a car. Understand what I'm asking when I talk to Siri, that kind of thing. Eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo the phone number. Mic Sargent Leo Laporte. Let's take a call and we're gonna go to Serena Temecula. Hello, Serena.

Caller 2 (00:47:13):
Hi there. Welcome. Can you talk to you guys

Leo Laporte (00:47:16):
Shock us,

Caller 2 (00:47:18):
Shock us. Well, I don't think I'm gonna shock you. Okay. But I am technically challenged at most 71 year olds. I know. Anyway I have a 2012 don't last MacBook pro.

Leo Laporte (00:47:31):

Caller 2 (00:47:32):
Okay. It's got Catalina on it's the operating system. I can't increase that. And of course I'm having issues with it. Apple tells me I need a new machine, which I'm open to that. I think my problem is I just don't use it very much anymore. What

Leo Laporte (00:47:46):
Do you use it for?

Caller 2 (00:47:48):
I use it for photos. In fact, I was in mimeo building a photo book. Oh, now it's gone. So I'm quite annoyed actually. Cuz I spent a lot of time doing that and now it's gone. I dumped Microsoft word because I just don't use it enough. But because my machine's so old, I can't download apple numbers and pages and all that. So I'm forced to use Google

Leo Laporte (00:48:15):
To some degree. This is planned obsolescence. This is

Caller 2 (00:48:19):

Leo Laporte (00:48:19):
Totally. There's nothing wrong with their 2012 machine. But apple and this is true of all tech companies. They don't wanna support everything they ever made. So they make an artificial drop dead date. And they say after this point, in fact apple has a funny term for it. They call it what is it? Vintage

MIkah Sargent (00:48:38):
<laugh> oh yeah. What is it?

Caller 2 (00:48:39):
Vintage. Vintage. I'm vintage. What

MIkah Sargent (00:48:41):
Do you mean?

Leo Laporte (00:48:43):
Well, I'm not far behind you, so I just <laugh>. Yeah. So all it means you could, I guess get a more modern operating system on there. We've talked before. There's a hack to do that, but I don't think you want to do a

Caller 2 (00:48:58):
Hack. I don't wanna do that. No, a Leo. I don't wanna get into that technology. So if I buy a new machine based on what I wanna use it for, which would be email shopping creating photos. I do a lot in photos and things like that. Would a Mac error be better for me? Yes. Or should I go for a new MacBook

Leo Laporte (00:49:18):
Pro what do you think Mikah?

MIkah Sargent (00:49:19):
I, a thousand percent think you'll be very happy with a MacBook error. I am using one right now and honestly I feel like I could replace any computer that I have with this. And I know that sounds hyperbolic, but I promise you

Leo Laporte (00:49:31):
It's not. It's true. It's gonna be light years faster than your 2012 and it's the fastest thing out there. Here's the other good news. Doesn't have to be the one Mikah's using the M two based. You can get an M one based MacBook air for even less and be very happy with it.

Caller 2 (00:49:44):
Okay. That's good. What about the new iPad? The big

Leo Laporte (00:49:49):
Those would do all the things you wanna do. They're pretty much the same prices in MacBook care. So the big difference now, from my point of view with the iPads and the MacBooks is just the operating system and the keyboard. The MacBooks obviously have a built in keyboard with the iPad. You buy an extra detachable keyboard. That's not, it's a little more flexible. It's not quite as good a keyboard. And then it's whether using Mac OS or iOS, honestly, for what you just described. For instance, when I do my photo editing, I do it on my iPad. <affirmative> it's got the best screen apple makes but it's gonna be the same when you add up getting the keyboard and the iPad pro and all of that, it's gonna be the same price, maybe even a little bit more than a MacBook air

Caller 2 (00:50:34):
Than an air. Well, and if I have it another 12 years, I might be dead by then. And it won't matter.

Leo Laporte (00:50:38):
<laugh> MacBook air starts at a thousand bucks for you give, I don't know how many photos you use. The one thing you might, two things you might do to upgrade it from the base model is get 16 gigs of Ram instead of eight and get a bigger, hard drive. Because the last thing you wanna do is run outta space for all your cars.

Caller 2 (00:50:58):
Well, I pretty much offload my photos after. Nice. I don't keep them on there. And cuz they do take out too much room.

Leo Laporte (00:51:04):
Well you could, if you got a terabyte. So if you got the terabyte storage and the 16 gigs, now we're talking $1,600, but you would never run outta space for your photos. That's a lifetime worth of photos.

Caller 2 (00:51:17):
Well, that is good to know. All right. Well you answered my question, so thank you so very much.

Leo Laporte (00:51:21):
I think you're gonna get this home and you're gonna go, wow. Yeah, yeah.

Caller 2 (00:51:25):
I'm gonna say why didn't I do this too? Yeah,

MIkah Sargent (00:51:27):
You're gonna be making so many photo books.

Leo Laporte (00:51:30):
Yeah. <laugh> wow.

Caller 2 (00:51:31):
Oh, save me. That takes a long time. What

Leo Laporte (00:51:33):
Program do you use? You said mimeo or

Caller 2 (00:51:36):
I was using, I was doing it in iBook, but if I was remember, yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:51:41):
They stopped doing that.

Caller 2 (00:51:42):
Really doing I book more. Yeah. They stopped to mimeo and

Leo Laporte (00:51:46):
So mimeo is online. Your photos are online. They lost your photos from your account.

Caller 2 (00:51:51):
Well, if the album is not showing in my photos on my computer. Yeah,

MIkah Sargent (00:51:56):
Cuz they have it's an it's integrated basically mimeo is the company that apple was using before.

Leo Laporte (00:52:01):
So you still do it in a photos

MIkah Sargent (00:52:03):
And something got corrupted. So it's not showing up for her in her photos library. Right.

Caller 2 (00:52:08):
So luckily I hadn't gotten too far into that one. I'd have been really upset

Leo Laporte (00:52:13):
About yeah, no kidding. I hate

Caller 2 (00:52:14):
That. Cause they do take a long time. The way I do

Leo Laporte (00:52:16):
This. Yeah. There's nothing worse. A computer

Caller 2 (00:52:18):
Can do historical.

Leo Laporte (00:52:20):
Oh fun. That's very

Caller 2 (00:52:21):
Cool for family is what I'm doing. Oh, that's great. It does take a real long time and anyway,

Leo Laporte (00:52:27):
And you're gonna print and you're gonna them and send them to the family members.

Caller 2 (00:52:31):
I have them made and I I've done choosing my children already and oh, that's done a lot of travel once. Very cool. Just for myself.

Leo Laporte (00:52:39):
You know what I find? I have a lot of photos and they're all digital and I have to say, when you make a book, you look at oh nice. And don't when they're digital, you don't see 'em as much. Yeah. So I think that's great.

Caller 2 (00:52:50):
Well, you have to, I took a year and scanned all my photos into the

Leo Laporte (00:52:54):
Computer. Wow.

Caller 2 (00:52:54):
Good for you. And then I put 'em all in folders so I could offload 'em and then dumped a bunch of them cuz they were crappy and right. Ooh, not sure I could say that, but anyway. <laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:53:03):
Well you did. So it's too late. <laugh> okay. No that's fine. It's fine. It's too late. You're just one of those salty older folks. <laugh> by the way, I'm gonna be 66 in a month. I'm not far behind you, so oh my God.

Caller 2 (00:53:16):

Leo Laporte (00:53:17):
Depre young end. Don't deprecate your yourself. You're doing great. Yeah. I

MIkah Sargent (00:53:20):
Was gonna say obviously listen to you making mimeo photos on the computer.

Leo Laporte (00:53:24):
You're great. Yeah. A pleasure. A pleasure survey.

Caller 2 (00:53:28):
I appreciate that.

Leo Laporte (00:53:28):
You're gonna love your new MacBook. I think it's a great choice. It's really a nice

Caller 2 (00:53:33):
Lesson. Yes, I should put you on speaker so you can tell my husband, I need a new

Leo Laporte (00:53:36):
Computer. Oh yeah, please do. What's his name?

Caller 2 (00:53:39):
His name was Roger. Hold on. I'll

Leo Laporte (00:53:41):
Let's do this. There's

Caller 2 (00:53:43):

Leo Laporte (00:53:44):
Roger. Hey Roger. Serena needs a new computer. Absolutely. Immediately. Yeah, probably an M one <laugh> MacBook air.

Caller 2-1 (00:53:53):
I thinking a new computer. I'm thinking an old used Mac from about 20 years

Leo Laporte (00:53:58):
Ago. Don't do that to her. That's mean she's a family historian. Roger's the best. Yes. She's doing this as a service to the entire family. You can always get no,

Caller 2-1 (00:54:09):
No she's not. She just wants to do email. She doesn't even do anything important.

Leo Laporte (00:54:14):
Oh. Oh you slap him upside the head. Yeah.

Caller 2 (00:54:19):
I am. My birthday's coming up and Christmas is coming up. That's what I, yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:54:24):
There you go. You know what? My wife does Serena. She just puts it. She puts it in the shopping cart and sends me a link. <laugh>

Caller 2 (00:54:31):
Well, there you go.

Leo Laporte (00:54:33):
And it works

Caller 2-1 (00:54:33):
Apple store

Leo Laporte (00:54:34):
Soon. I don't know about you Roger, but I'm a, I'm happy when my wife tells me what she wants instead of me buying something, she hates

Caller 2 (00:54:41):
So well. And he is the one that bought me this 2012. So there you go. He knows what I need. It's

Leo Laporte (00:54:47):
10 years later you can do it. You can do it. Thank you, Roger and Serena, Leo and Mikah. Your tech guys. <laugh> love that. Roger. Oh Roger. All right. Refinance. It is your turn to take over the show. Mr. Scott Wilkinson.

Scott Wilkinson (00:55:13):
Why? Thank you so

Leo Laporte (00:55:14):
Very much. I put you up in the thing in the thing of the dang and the Bing ding and the ding do. There you go. I don't see the live stream anymore. By the way. I don't know. I don't know what's going on. What? We've lost our, well, I think there's something wrong with this scored that we've lost the last stream. That's alright. It's something weird.

Scott Wilkinson (00:55:34):
Something weird. Damn technology.

Leo Laporte (00:55:37):
Dang, dang technology. Isn't not working good. <laugh> all yours, sir.

Scott Wilkinson (00:55:43):
Thank you. Hello everybody. So nice to see you. All that last call was great. I thought that was great. Roger definitely needs to buy her a new computer. And I thought the advice was great too. Mac air 16, gig one terabyte. That's the way to go. Hello Jason. N H. Nice to see you here. And I saw Dr. Mom come in here and Mike Heis is here. I think. Nice to see you. It was great to see you last week at Harmon. That was loads of fun. And you're going to see ya. I'm not to tell you the truth. I was mostly happy not to be going, but after seeing all the, or some of the press Corps friends that I've have had over the last 30 years, I'm now sad not to be going to see them.

Scott Wilkinson (00:56:46):
Let's see. Edmonton oiler guy. Have you reviewed star Trek? Oh, the motion picture remastered director's edition. No I haven't but I will get it. I thought that movie was not a great star Trek movie, but the visuals are so good. They really did a fantastic job with the visuals that it's worth watching just for that, in my opinion. And the remastered director's edition maybe they did at most sound. I don't know. I'll have to look at that web oh 5 79. Are you attending CES in person in January? I don't think so. I think the next show that I'm probably gonna go to is HPA tech retreat in February. It's a little smaller. I don't think I'm quite ready. And that's one reason I didn't go to CIA. I'm not going to see is I'm not quite ready to be in a large crowd yet. Like that. I keep hearing stories of people who are vaccinated and boosted and wear their mask and go to a trade show and come back with COVID. So I wanna be a little more careful than that. And I think CES is probably gonna be that way to, so I don't think so. Not a hundred percent sure yet, but I don't think so.

Scott Wilkinson (00:58:13):
Let's see. Key 43 looking for my low input TV still. I'm not sure. I know what you mean by that. Now buying that large from Amazon, how's buying that large from Amazon boy. That's a really good question. A large TV from Amazon. I tend to wanna buy large TVs from a local store because a shipping, a large TV increases the chance that it might get damaged. And if it get damaged in shipping, okay, you can send it back. But what a pain in the butt that is if you get it from a store local store and something's wrong with it, you've got a local resource to take care of it.

Scott Wilkinson (00:59:08):
Generally. How I feel about it? I have bought a couple of monitors recently from Amazon but they're only 24, 27 inches. So I didn't have too much trouble with that. And they arrived just fine Dr. Bomb, grandma. And you're surprised why the crowd spread. Yeah. Crowd spread. What? I mean, even with all the vaccination and the care you can take, it might still happen. <laugh> Mike. I, yes. Thank you very much. I'm going to CD in CTI in October. So Scott Wilkinson doesn't have to <laugh> well, I do rely upon your reporting from there very much. And I thank you for doing that for sure. Oh, Edmondson guy makes a good point. Costco, great warranty and return policy. Exactly. So exactly right. That's that? That's probably where I would go. Now. Costco has captive models. They're they're slightly different model numbers from the basic model numbers of these TVs, but they're the same TV. I wouldn't worry about that.

Scott Wilkinson (01:00:26):
Joe says they've been doing a good job with the star Trek movie. Remasters eliminated the terrible noise reduction. Oh good. Oh good. And you sent me a link to check that out. I appreciate it. Let's see. Swamp rat says on the DVD I got in the mail today. You got a D V D in the mail. I'm not gonna bother trying the five point. One's gonna stick with two point, oh, how do you get five, 5.1 audio out of mid 1950s. Skino scopes. This is a very good question actually. And something else. I might talk about it next week on the show. There's a fairly new technology called DM mixing and they've done it on a few albums in particular. I remember hear hearing about it at Harmon last week from one of the other journalists who had been to some sort of press event about it, where they took the Beatles revolver, which was done on four track and they had to bounce a bunch of times. So there's a lot of material on one track, a lot of different parts, and they're able to extract those parts very effectively. The demo they did apparently was they were able to extract down to Ringo's snared drum out of a single track. And if they can do that, they can easily take a mono or a stereo original and remix it for 5.1 or even Atmos. So that's something that I'm looking at very seriously cause a could be a super cool technology.

Scott Wilkinson (01:02:14):
Boy, let's see. Rocka. Billy hog says my audio powered sub just started acting up without any input plugged into it. It makes this thumping sound. Oh man. No, I don't know how to fix that. Something has blown in the sub woofer. I'm afraid gonna need to go to back to Polk and asked them about that. Jay is asking if I ever completed a Sony versus Samsung Q D O led review. No I haven't yet. What I understand, basically, I haven't had a chance to look at 'em side by side, but what I understand basically is that the Sony doesn't get quite as bright because it uses a more gentle tone mapping curve. Whereas the Samsung goes right up to the edge of what it can do and then cuts things off in terms of the brightness. And I prefer Sony's approach

Scott Wilkinson (01:03:17):
To that. The place I would go for a comparison and I need to go watch this again is Vincent Teo at HD TV test go to his YouTube channel and he has a Sony versus Samsung QD led comparison. It's very good. I have to go back and watch it again, cuz it's been a few weeks and I can't remember everything that he did but he did a great job comparing them beat master. Will you be checking out the announced Denon? AVRs I'm sure I will. I'm gonna need a new AVR when we move into our new house. Swamp rat. Oh the DVD is the three head Sullivan episodes that Elvis Presley appeared on. Okay. Well that would be on DVD cuz it's standard definition. I mean it's standard. Yeah. Standard definition. S D let's see. Key 43. I use for my info. Good for you. That's that's a very good resource. I like 'em a lot. Keith.

Leo Laporte (01:04:29):
You Scott. I appreciate your wonderful efforts on our behalf.

Scott Wilkinson (01:04:33):
I'm so happy to let you go get a cup of coffee.

Leo Laporte (01:04:35):
<laugh> have a great day. We'll see you next week. Thank you. You bet.

Leo Laporte (01:04:45):
Well, Hey, Hey. Hey. How are you today? Leo? LePort here. The tech guy with Mica Sargent your tech guy too. Eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo the phone number (888) 827-5536, toll free from anywhere in the us or Canada. Outside that area. You could use Skype out and still call us. We talk about everything going on in tech computers, the internet, home theater, digital photography, smart phones. I would be talking about my new smart. What if ups hadn't bailed on me? That kind of thing. 88 88. Ask Leo. Okay. You ever heard the Streisand effect? <affirmative> Barbara Streisand sued a photographer who flew helicopters over her house to get him to stop. Unfortunately, <laugh> all it did. Got everybody to go look at the pictures of Barbara Streisand's house. I'm sorry. Are you eating some like something that's very chewy and sweet. You can hear it. No, but it's just like you can't talk. Can you, cause you've got a toy. He's got a toy. It's like a

MIkah Sargent (01:05:52):
Mouth, a toy in my mouth. He's

Leo Laporte (01:05:53):
All Toi up.

MIkah Sargent (01:05:53):
Now look, what's under my voice. It's changed it. Don't

Leo Laporte (01:05:57):
Do it

MIkah Sargent (01:05:57):
With whenever you're doing a podcast.

Leo Laporte (01:05:59):
<laugh> yeah, no I'm saying don't if you're Barbara sting. Oh, <laugh> don't do it. So the FDA just did it. They pulled a Streisand. Oh no. You probably saw the warning cuz everybody KTLA had everybody across the country. Had it. The FDA put out a warning on September 14th. Not to make chicken in qui the cold medicine. Well, duh duh. Right. <affirmative> and so the question is what is it suddenly all of a sudden with what are the kids doing? It's suppo and FDA was worried that it was a supposedly viral TikTok challenge and that the children would go make chicken in Nyquill they the children. And it's obviously it's a bad idea. Not only is it disgusting and bright green, but it also you're by cooking NyQuil, it's got all sorts of stuff in it. This

MIkah Sargent (01:06:54):
Has a little bit of, it's not only the strip and effect it's that other, I can't remember if it's a law, maybe it's pose law where that's

Leo Laporte (01:07:02):
A little more literate way of saying the stre sand effect. I think

MIkah Sargent (01:07:04):
Satire on the internet is at some point perceived to be real, right? And I'm sure that somebody, at some point jokingly boiled a chicken and NyQuil or pretended to

Leo Laporte (01:07:14):
It. It you're exactly right. Four Chan 20 17, 4 Chan, which is the source of a lot of the worst junk on the internet. As a joke, somebody said, well, he makes some night cold chicken. It is not a big fad on TikTok people. Aren't stupid, nor are they eating tide pods, right? Nor are they kicking doors. And then running away, all of this is local news. Loves it because

MIkah Sargent (01:07:40):
They need something

Leo Laporte (01:07:41):
To talk. They need something. They need film 11. And frankly, we're all scared of children. <laugh> and the internet. So it's perfect. It's perfect. It's fodder for local news, newspapers everywhere. Look what the kids are up to. Oh my God. Moral panic. The problem is when the FDA re put out this press release about the dangers of cooking chicken and Nyquill, it was a notice titled a recipe for danger, social media challenges involving medicines. Somebody at the FDA, I guess got the notion. This was a trend. It was not. It is now well done. FDA searches <laugh> for NyQuil chicken on TikTok have skyrocketed more than 1400 times greater lovely print, a buzz feed on September 14th. The day before the FDA noticed there were five searches for NyQuil chicken. <laugh> five. Wow. By September 21st, 1400 times greater. So whatever that is, 7,000 searches be careful. <laugh>

MIkah Sargent (01:08:56):
I guess who's somebody saw it. There's like one person at the FDA who saw this and thought yes. Who no everyone's doing this. Yes, no, not everyone was doing this. No one even knew about it, but thanks for,

Leo Laporte (01:09:09):
And Dr. Mom says she did see people in the ER, where she works with tide pod poisoning, dozens,

MIkah Sargent (01:09:15):

Leo Laporte (01:09:16):
Well, dozens like worldwide, nationwide in your hospital. What am I think there's a lot of friend friend told me the ER, was jammed with tide buds and NyQuil chicken eaters. So don't make NyQuil chicken <laugh>

MIkah Sargent (01:09:31):
Well, no, we're doing it. <laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:09:33):
But also FDA don't create a problem where none exists. Yeah. And it really does play right into this whole thing of, oh my God. What are the kids doing? Okay. I mean, I had to clear the air there. Just, I wanted to tell you

MIkah Sargent (01:09:51):
Clear the air of the Nik while we boil in here.

Leo Laporte (01:09:53):
Oh, why would anybody do that? <laugh> really the question to ask in your mind. And maybe if they do that Darwin's law. Yeah.

MIkah Sargent (01:10:01):
Oh right.

Leo Laporte (01:10:02):
Maybe they should just of course the world's going through a financial crisis recession. I don't wanna bring this up. You listen to this show. So you don't have to think about what's happening into your 401k, but you might be interested that even the highly profitable company, Google or alphabet, as they like to call themselves, <laugh> fooling no one <laugh>.

MIkah Sargent (01:10:29):
We know who you

Leo Laporte (01:10:29):
Are. The company formally known as Google cause under Pacha, the CEO at an all hands meeting. And what do they do at these big tech companies at the all hands meetings? They do. They have to do it by video, cuz there's I think 125,000 employees. So you can't all get 'em in a room and then they have questions and they vote on them the week before. So the highly rated question in the internal system, why is the company nickel and employees by slashing travel and swag budgets at a time when Google has recorded profits, record profits and huge cash reserves. Cuz the COVID pandemic was very, very good to Google sand. Pache said, how do I say it? Look, I hope all of you are reading the news externally. The fact that we are being a bit more responsible through one of the toughest macroeconomic conditions underway in the past decade. It's important as a company we've pulled together to get through moments like this. No more free candy in the cafeteria.

MIkah Sargent (01:11:37):
No more B days.

Leo Laporte (01:11:39):
Yeah. They did take those out, but had a good reason for that Pacha admitted. It's not just the economy that's causing challenges at Google, but also an expanding bureaucracy. <laugh>

MIkah Sargent (01:11:54):
Okay. Wait and expanding bureaucracy within Google or you talking about the government

Leo Laporte (01:11:59):
There's there? No, the Google, their third quarter sales growth is expected to only grow by eight or 9% this year. Oh remember? That's not going down. Right?

MIkah Sargent (01:12:11):

Leo Laporte (01:12:11):
Still growing. <laugh>

MIkah Sargent (01:12:12):

Leo Laporte (01:12:13):
Still, you're still going up. Yeah. Okay. It was 40% last year cuz of the COVID but it's still grow 8% growth. Wouldn't you like 8% growth on your 401k?

MIkah Sargent (01:12:21):
I would love 8%. Yes. Would growth on my 401k.

Leo Laporte (01:12:25):
But well we got canceled their tighten pixel book, a tighten the belt, the

MIkah Sargent (01:12:30):
Cur chiefs.

Leo Laporte (01:12:31):
I remember I used to work for a cable channel called tech TV many years ago. Never heard of it. No, I know. I didn't. Nobody has, it was, it was in 41 million homes. It wasn't the biggest thing. Anyway. <laugh> I knew the end was nine though. When they took the free, they had little cup of soup oatmeals. You, they took that out of the cafeteria. So they took that

MIkah Sargent (01:12:55):
Out. You

Leo Laporte (01:12:55):
Sniffed it out outta the kitchen, everybody. Cuz we lived on that stuff. I mean, you know, come in, you'd have your oatmeal and coffee. Right, right. Your breakfast. They took that out. I knew the end is nine. I don't think the end is nine for

MIkah Sargent (01:13:08):
Alphabet. No, I think they'll be fine.

Leo Laporte (01:13:09):
But they have been cutting things like crazy. And I think that's bad. I think that just gives people the feeling that you're

MIkah Sargent (01:13:15):
Not morale is. So you might get an 8% increase in earnings or whatever, but bit huge drop in morale. Yeah. Makes people look elsewhere for jobs or at the very least not work the do their best

Leo Laporte (01:13:28):
Work. Okay. 88 88 ask Leo. I just a couple of news stories. I had to get that off my chest. 8, 8, 8, 8 2 7 5 5, 3, 6, toll free from anywhere in the us or Canada. Outside that area. You can call with Skype out website tech, guy It's no accident. This is episode 1929

MIkah Sargent (01:13:52):
In the year, the

Leo Laporte (01:13:55):
Year of black Friday. The great crash of 1929.

MIkah Sargent (01:14:06):
<laugh> the end was coming when Chucky cheese cleaned out the ball pits.

Leo Laporte (01:14:09):
Yeah. Well you know what? Ball pits were bad. Yeah. I don't bad idea. So good. Let's get a bunch of kids with runny noses and throw 'em in a pit of balls. Ugh. That never get cleaned. Ooh. Yeah. How do you clean a ball pit these days we have that stuff where you can spray and they it's such a fine mist that it could probably, but you'd still have to get a big old spoon and mix them stir your balls. Yeah. That's that? It's better to just get rid of those. Those were just a bad idea. Yeah. Our Mickey DS had a ball pit and I always thought, God, it's gotta be a germ magnet. Oh you're right. Dwindle. You could just pour a bunch of NyQuil in there. <laugh> it's got some alcohol in it. I think. Oh resis Ozempic. And we goy. Yeah. Those are the brand names for it. I've heard. Yeah. I actually was talking to a guy. Good friend. Who's gonna do a podcast with us. Who's on oh Ozempic. Whoa. Yeah. I see the ads for this. I am not using these except if I got in that situation, but I'm not yet there.

Leo Laporte (01:15:24):
This is the guy who was just at the iHeart concert, the radio music festival. The great Lionel Richie he played. I heard all night long. Wow. Yeah. Wait the song or just the song? Not all night long. It's too long. You almost got me almost gotcha. Eighty eight, eighty eight. Ask Leo the phone number. Mic Sargent and Leo Laporte. You get two for one on Saturdays on the tech guy show two for one. Wayne is okay. You better tell everybody where Wayne's from. Oh great. Wayne is from CCO. Win North Carolina. Chico WinCo win. Is it CHAA Wayne? How do you say it?

Caller 3 (01:16:06):
CCO win

Leo Laporte (01:16:07):
CCO. Right? You win CCHO win. Is there chocolate and CCO win?

Caller 3 (01:16:11):
Yes. You guys got it wrong. There's lots of it's an a mean originated from an Indian name regarding the land or the waters of mini fish.

Leo Laporte (01:16:25):
Oh nice. The waters of mini fish. That's nice. Do you fish a

Caller 3 (01:16:29):
Lot because we're in an we're at an estuary where fresh water joins the smoke water

Leo Laporte (01:16:34):
<affirmative> yeah. Well the town we're in Petaluma is a coast coastal Mik name, but I can't remember what it means. It means the water of little fish. It was it's the banks of the Petaluma river. Petta Luma. So we both are coming to you from native American lands. I mean yes sir. In the us. Yeah. I guess we all, are we, what can we do for you today?

Caller 3 (01:17:02):
Well, I'm a CAD guy and we spoke a month ago about my all in one upgrading my video card and we determined that that was probably impossible. So I've upgraded with a brand new fast monitor and a new computer, but I'm working at home. I'm accessing my office computer and using AutoCAD and it doesn't seem to be working any faster. <laugh> wondering if it's,

Leo Laporte (01:17:33):
I'm so sorry.

Caller 3 (01:17:38):
And I'm thinking it's because my office computer is slow. So AutoCAD's on the cloud. I'm remotely connected to my office network and computer and using the AutoCAD program. That's linked and programmed.

Leo Laporte (01:17:58):
Oh, you're using it remotely.

Caller 3 (01:18:01):

Leo Laporte (01:18:02):
Well, so any speed benefit that might happen locally is gonna be moderated by the speed of the network. So it can only be as fast as your network is. So if you're doing it over the internet, yeah. You probably wouldn't feel a lot of speed up. There's no point. In fact, I think probably putting a fancy graphics cart in a machine you're gonna remote use remotely. I maybe. So it depends on what program are you using for the remote access?

Caller 3 (01:18:40):
It's a a VPN network. Okay. Connection.

Leo Laporte (01:18:45):
Yeah. So that's even further slowing it down. Autodesk does have its own remote AutoCAD cloud that

Caller 3 (01:18:55):
You could use. And it's all on the cloud. Now you can't buy the software anymore.

Leo Laporte (01:18:59):
No, isn't that nice

Caller 3 (01:19:00):

Leo Laporte (01:19:01):
Yeah. They learned a lesson for Adobe. This is how you make money as you charge people by the months forever.

Caller 3 (01:19:11):
And it works. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:19:12):
It works well. Cuz what choice do you have? Right,

Caller 3 (01:19:15):
Right. Yeah. It's what we've got. So I guess my argument then to my boss is that I need to get my AutoCAD

Leo Laporte (01:19:21):
At home

Caller 3 (01:19:23):

Leo Laporte (01:19:23):
Home. At home. Yes. Yeah. So this is really worth it. If you think about the time spent waiting whatev I don't know what, I'm not gonna even ask what your hourly rate would be. You're probably a salary employee, but let's say your hourly rate is 200 bucks an hour, which would be reasonable for somebody with your skills. So if every time you have to wait 15 minutes, that's another 50 bucks outta your boss's pocket that you're not working.

Caller 3 (01:19:52):
Oh yeah. It can be upwards of an hour of wait time a day. There

Leo Laporte (01:19:56):
You go.

Caller 3 (01:19:57):
Just sitting there waiting for, to reach in. And that's

Leo Laporte (01:20:01):
The memo you write to your boss, I'm waiting an hour a day at my hourly rate. It would take one week <laugh> to pay for a GPU and you'd be saving for the rest of your life.

Caller 3 (01:20:13):
I love it.

Leo Laporte (01:20:15):
<laugh> <laugh> seriously. That's what? So it's not that they don't work. It's that they just work slowly. And this is what all pros know, whether it's music, video, editing, AutoCAD, I'm not paying for it to work. I'm paying it for it to work quickly enough. So I don't have to wait. And my time's more valuable than the hardware.

Caller 3 (01:20:39):
And that's always, the challenge is getting to be faster than the software, which is great.

Leo Laporte (01:20:47):
And you wanna get the cadence so that you're working as fast as the software works. You don't want either one of you to be behind. So you don't wanna be having a cup of coffee while the software renders a blueprint. That's just not gonna work.

Caller 3 (01:21:03):
No, that's too much. Coffee's

Leo Laporte (01:21:05):
A lot of that's the other thing you tell the boss, I'm gonna have a heart attack. I'm drinking so much coffee.

Caller 3 (01:21:10):

Leo Laporte (01:21:11):
The other thing is I'm

Caller 3 (01:21:12):
Gonna, well, I'm going to whiskey now.

Leo Laporte (01:21:14):
<laugh> whoa. Yikes. Okay.

Caller 3 (01:21:20):
So, oh it makes beautiful rendering. So

Leo Laporte (01:21:23):
Did you get the GPU at home? No. You got at the office.

Caller 3 (01:21:30):
Well, the computer I've got a computer at the office, but I upgraded my computer at

Leo Laporte (01:21:37):
Home. So you won't see the benefit cuz you one at the office is doing the hard work,

Caller 3 (01:21:41):
Right. I'm not seeing the benefit. Yeah. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:21:44):
Now if you were to take your work home and do it on your home computer, I think you would see a benefit. As far as I know. I mean, I'm basing this on Autodesk saying that AutoCAD uses the GPU, how much the GPU it uses. I don't know. And all of that, you know, can, it's funny because it really requires that the software be aware of what hardware you have and takes advantage of it. That isn't always the case.

Caller 3 (01:22:10):
But I think it's taking advantage of the hardware that I have at the office.

Leo Laporte (01:22:13):
No it is. It's doing, it's going as fast as your office will go. But then it's got this little thin, skinny little pipe to your house and it's pushing all those bits through that pipe. That's slowing you down too. So the rendering, if the rendering's occurring at the office, which it is, then that's the speed of the rendering. Remember it doesn't it. Doesn't all it's sending down. The pipe is the bits that go on the screen.

Leo Laporte (01:22:39):
That's why you can play by the way. That's why you can play video games over these network. Video games, solutions that Microsoft has. Google has stadia and Vidia has GForce. Now those things you're running on a in Microsoft's case, you're running on an Xbox in their network center. It's running great and fast, but the reason it works, you can watch do it on a phone or a tablet. Something that doesn't have a lot of horsepower, because all it has to send is the bits. And so those can keep up. So it's the speed of your machine at work? That's right. In fact, I'm sorry that I didn't understand that in your original question. Cuz

Caller 3 (01:23:16):
That makes sense. Yes.

Leo Laporte (01:23:17):

Caller 3 (01:23:18):
Oh, we've got that figured out. Thank you.

Leo Laporte (01:23:21):
A pleasure to talk to you. What do you designing Wayne?

Caller 3 (01:23:26):
A multi-family affordable housing.

Leo Laporte (01:23:28):
Thank you. That's a good thing to do. Very important. Yeah.

Caller 3 (01:23:32):
It's all over the country and there's grant money available and very nice people. The cities are loving these projects that comes to

Leo Laporte (01:23:40):
Good man. Keep that's amazing. That's a good work. We need that. Sincerely. Thank you. Yeah. There's so many unhoused people in the world. We've gotta get that housing. Thank you Wayne. By the way, I looked it up Petaluma of a coast. Me walk tribe in the coast. Meach language means the land of the NyQuil chicken <laugh> so it's kind of cool in a way. It's weird. We were talking about that today. We're hip. Yeah. Yeah. 88, 88 as Leah let's talk, travel with Johnny jet right after this

Speaker 13 (01:24:11):
Concert is different than oh

Leo Laporte (01:24:16):
Good. I can't believe oh yeah. I loved it. That they did that. The acknowledgements. Yeah. I loved that. Yeah. Here was Theone. Yeah. Yeah. Here. We would be the coast. Me walk. In fact, I actually, after he did that, I thought, you know what? We should do that from time to time acknowledged that that would be cool. We are on the ancestral lines of the coast. Me walk. He said traditional territory, traditional territory. Yeah. The last concert I went to, they started out, they actually had native Americans from the area come and do the acknowledgement. And then they talked a little bit about the history. Yeah. I'm getting goosebumps thinking about it. Yeah. It was really cool. I think you first saw that with Microsoft and the first time I saw it, I thought that's an odd thing to say. <laugh> yeah. It came outta nowhere. It came outta nowhere. But now I get it. <affirmative> and I think that's really good. Yeah. I think it's really good thing. So we will acknowledge that we are on the traditional territory of the coast. Me walk that's cool. The acorn eaters.

Leo Laporte (01:25:15):
It's actually an interesting story because these coastal tribes go all the way, went all the way up to Seattle and up farther north, they were war, very warlike and down here less so <affirmative> and according to oh gosh, what's the name of the book. It's a wonderful book. New anthropology. According to recent anthropological discoveries they believe the difference was, and this is from David. Grayer's really incredible book, which is called. I have it right here. The Dawn of everything, a new history of humanity. Oh, I remember you telling me about that book. Yeah. Wonderful book. And then some people say, oh yeah, it's another Malcolm Gladwell kind of. But he even says, we're not doing these. Just so stories. This is based on research. But he says that it perhaps the fact that these Northern tribes were meat eaters and our tribes down in south were acorn eaters a tribal raid on a meat eating clan because they took slaves too. <affirmative> could wipe you. They would steal all the meat because it was ready, made. They don't steal acorns. Cuz the acorns take a huge amount of work to turn into something potable. They, you a edible, you can't eat without, you have to do all this whole thing. Wow. And so they didn't have as many rating parties. They didn't because what are you gonna steal the acorns. <laugh> right. Oh,

Mikah Sargent (01:26:59):
Okay. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:27:00):
That makes sense. Right? You just leave it. Oh yeah. Native Americans had slaves. Oh yeah. Yep, yep. Yep. They had slave the slaves were always and the same thing in Greece and Europe, the slaves were captured warriors from other plans. Right? Hey Johnny jet,

Johnny Jet (01:27:17):
How you doing? I

Leo Laporte (01:27:19):
Am. Well, how are you?

Johnny Jet (01:27:20):
Good. I just put a tweet in the chat room and tweeted it of a viral video going this guy on the,

Leo Laporte (01:27:29):
Does it involve

Johnny Jet (01:27:29):
Passenger on a plane? Yeah. The PA system somehow got hacked and all the flight attendants claimed that they went to every phone. So no one was on their phone. The pilot was saying that he was getting messages and anyway, that's not

Leo Laporte (01:27:45):
Person. Good then is

Johnny Jet (01:27:47):
I gotta write a post on it. I just, oh, it just happened. No, it actually happened a couple days ago, but I need to write about

Leo Laporte (01:27:54):
It cuz I'm always suspicious always to this stuff though. I

Johnny Jet (01:27:57):
Always, me too. I mean it has to be a prank.

Leo Laporte (01:28:00):
Well the tweet could be a prank too.

Johnny Jet (01:28:03):
No, no. Watch the video.

Leo Laporte (01:28:05):
Okay. JT, do you know this guy? JT.

Johnny Jet (01:28:10):
Genter. Yeah. I know JT, but he's not the guy who did it. The guy balloon did

Leo Laporte (01:28:13):
It. Oh, okay. And

Johnny Jet (01:28:16):
He's a actor producer, but

Leo Laporte (01:28:32):
That's really weird. Can I plane on the air?

Johnny Jet (01:28:45):
Why not?

Speaker 15 (01:28:46):
Yeah, no I don't

Leo Laporte (01:28:47):
The whole thing. Oh, he's been everywhere man. He's Johnny jet, our traveling guy, his website, Johnny His newsletters are there. He helps you travel better with technology, Johnny. What a weird story. This is hello. Hello Johnny.

Johnny Jet (01:29:11):
Hello. It is a weird story. I just stumbled across it and I have no explanation. So I was hoping you do, this is a

Leo Laporte (01:29:18):
Tweet tech expert, the weirdest flight ever. These sounds started over the Intercom before takeoff and continued through the flight. They couldn't stop it. And after landing still had no idea what it was.

Johnny Jet (01:29:33):
Is it a prank or is it possible to hack it? The PA systems?

Leo Laporte (01:29:37):
I'm sure it is especially. Can you tell what kind of plane this is?

Johnny Jet (01:29:41):
This yeah, it's a 7 37, 800 looks like,

Leo Laporte (01:29:43):
Well, that's not such a modern, if it were triple seven, one of the more computerized planes, I might think somebody got into the system, but 7 37. I don't know. Maybe they haven't but

Johnny Jet (01:29:53):
Seven 30 sevens are modern. I mean they're pretty modern. Oh yeah. That's the most popular plane there is.

Leo Laporte (01:29:58):
Well I know, but it's also not a, I mean,

Johnny Jet (01:30:01):
Well they continue to make 'em

Leo Laporte (01:30:03):
They? Yeah, but I wonder now

Johnny Jet (01:30:06):
37 max.

Leo Laporte (01:30:06):
So it depends. I mean, if it's an analog Intercom system, you know, see the flight attendant, pick up the phone and talking into it and it's analog. That's pretty hard to hack into. You'd have to kind of find the wires, tap into it, nerd stuff. But the 800 version, is it electronic?

Johnny Jet (01:30:29):
I do not know. It's pretty funny.

Leo Laporte (01:30:32):
So he just moaned into it for the whole flight.

Johnny Jet (01:30:35):
It seems like.

Leo Laporte (01:30:36):
And they couldn't fix it

Johnny Jet (01:30:37):
Obnoxious. I would be like, but they said they deemed it, not a security threat. So they kept going. I would've been, I think I'm ready to land that. That's

Leo Laporte (01:30:44):
A security threat. You don't know what else he's gotten into. Wow. Okay. Yeah. I would not be happy if I heard no to

Speaker 16 (01:30:52):
Have broke creative,

Leo Laporte (01:31:03):
Trying to mitigate it. You mean find

Johnny Jet (01:31:05):
Culprit? Definitely. Anyway, I thought maybe you had some knowledge on,

Leo Laporte (01:31:09):
I once did a podcast at the apple store <affirmative> and somebody hacked the wifi and put an obscene photo on every laptop in the audience.

Johnny Jet (01:31:19):
Oh my goodness.

Leo Laporte (01:31:21):
It was easy to find the guy though. Cuz he was sitting there with his laptop giggling

Johnny Jet (01:31:25):

Leo Laporte (01:31:27):
So we throw him out and everything's better.

Johnny Jet (01:31:31):
Yeah. I have a feeling. This is a prank, but we'll find out I'm sure soon enough. Wow.

Leo Laporte (01:31:36):

Johnny Jet (01:31:36):

MIkah Sargent (01:31:36):
Mean it's a proof of concept at the very least. That's kind of the bad part about it is

Leo Laporte (01:31:41):
If they can hack it at the Intercom, who knows what else?

Johnny Jet (01:31:44):
But maybe it was one of the flight attendants, but I doubt they had risked their job cuz they said they're all.

Leo Laporte (01:31:50):
Unless it was their last day. Yeah. That'd be a good thing to do on their last day. What airline was this?

Johnny Jet (01:31:57):
This is American. Wow. Almost. You know what I think it's American

Leo Laporte (01:32:02):
Just honestly, I guess they don't wanna land and that's a big cost to them and declining everybody, but wow. That's pretty serious stuff. So what else is travel new? That's a good one. So there

Johnny Jet (01:32:15):
Is a big tropical storm in Jamaica right now off of Jamaica and it's heading to Florida. So I thought it was a good time to bring up my favorite app that I think every traveler should have for tracking storms.

Leo Laporte (01:32:28):
So we got an or Intercom system.

Johnny Jet (01:32:30):
I heard that.

Leo Laporte (01:32:31):
What track is that? What app is that?

Johnny Jet (01:32:34):
This is called max tracker. So I think every Floridian has it already. They know about it from one of their meteorologists. I think WPL

MIkah Sargent (01:32:44):

Johnny Jet (01:32:45):
<affirmative>. And how do

Leo Laporte (01:32:46):
You know this? No, I just looked it up. He does iOS today. He does a show all about, he knows all that. I definitely knew the ahe.

Johnny Jet (01:32:54):
I learned about this app when I was in Barbado set a conference four years ago and a storm was brewing and everyone's like, all my Florida friends, friends were like, you need to check out this app and it tells you all the details and they say it's most accurate. They show all the different possible models. And anyway,

MIkah Sargent (01:33:11):
The app itself is a little antiquated in terms of this design, but that it has actual meteorologists working behind the scenes to make it happen. That makes it more valuable.

Leo Laporte (01:33:20):
I guess if I lived in hurricane quarter I would probably want this hurricane alley. I'd probably want this too. Yeah.

Johnny Jet (01:33:28):
If we're traveling in the Caribbean or to Florida, this is a good time to download it. It's free. Also. I think Florida, I think travel across the country is gonna be messed up next week, early next week when this hits because Florida is a mega hub for so many airlines because of COVID they were all flying to Florida because they didn't have any restrictions. So now they're overloaded and there's a delay there. You you're flight from LA to San Francisco could be delayed or canceled if that plane was originating there. So keep that in mind. Always look right now, it's looking good out there. I think only 60 flights, 62 flights have been canceled so far today within the United States, which is great in 1700 planes delayed, which is still really good compared to other days where it could be massive. And I was shocked at how many people are going through TSA. Checkpoint still was 2.4 million people yesterday. I did not think we were gonna hit 2 million over over September except after before labor day. So it's amazing how many people are out there right now. Traveling. It's not slowing down. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:34:43):
Well, although what does it normally slow down this time of year? I mean, kids are

Johnny Jet (01:34:48):
Back in school. Ely kids are back in school. These numbers right now, 2.4 is what they were doing in July.

Leo Laporte (01:34:53):
Wow. So wow. People are just so happy. I mean, we went to a concert last night. People were thrilled. Just

Johnny Jet (01:35:01):
I did too, by the way. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:35:03):

Johnny Jet (01:35:03):
You what'd you see, I went to the Hollywood bowl and oh fun. Saw an ABA.

Leo Laporte (01:35:07):
ABA, you saw

Johnny Jet (01:35:08):
Ababa cover band. It was like a cover band from Sweden place was packed 17,000 people. Holy Mo for a cup. Thank you, cruises. And that

Leo Laporte (01:35:16):
Gives you an idea of how happy people are to get back. There are packing the Hollywood bowl for an ABA cover band.

Johnny Jet (01:35:22):
Exactly. I, my buddies, I thought it was ABA play and I was like, I actually, I thought so too.

Leo Laporte (01:35:28):
You sure it wasn't the ABAs now got this Rob, this kind of synthesized ABA that they're traveling with. Maybe it was the, were there ghost?

Johnny Jet (01:35:37):
Well the original base bass player was in this band.

Leo Laporte (01:35:40):
Oh, okay. All right. Well at least the bass

Johnny Jet (01:35:43):
They're good. My wife's like they sounds nothing like Abbot. My wife is a big Abba fan, so that's why I was there.

Leo Laporte (01:35:47):
There are a lot of cover bands around our area. I don't know about you. We're gonna go see, for instance, the illegals is that next Saturday Eagles, but the Eagles cover band. Got it. There's a C D she, which is an all girl ACDC cover band. Oh, that's got sweet. There's a lot of cover and they all have kind of clever names. Not, I don't know. Almost like what'd you call it ABA cover band.

Johnny Jet (01:36:11):
My son has a hat B CD with the lightning ball. It looks like ACD C. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. You do B

Leo Laporte (01:36:18):
A a B Kim, Kim, Kim as reminds me there's a Tom petty cover band called petty theft. <laugh> aptly names. That's funny. That's funny. Yep.

Johnny Jet (01:36:26):
Yeah. I was shocked. How many people, by the way, have you ever been to the Hollywood bowl?

Leo Laporte (01:36:30):

Johnny Jet (01:36:31):
Unbelievable. Amazing place to go see a concert except they do stack parking. So if you park there, you're not getting out until everyone

Leo Laporte (01:36:39):
Hate people. You get out. Yeah. Yeah.

Johnny Jet (01:36:41):
So that's one thing I do not like about that place. You're you're there for a good hour

Leo Laporte (01:36:45):
Afterwards. Yeah,

Johnny Jet (01:36:46):
Just sitting there waiting

Leo Laporte (01:36:48):
Somebody in our chat room saying it's B Y B. So that's why people go see Abba cover bands. <laugh>

Johnny Jet (01:36:53):
It is, you can have a picnic. People are bringing full on picnic baskets in there. Certain shows. They allow that you bring everything.

Leo Laporte (01:37:00):
How fun. So yeah,

Johnny Jet (01:37:02):
Definitely a good time.

Leo Laporte (01:37:03):
Apparently this is a tour that's going around the AB a tribute show throughout north America. They've been doing it over a decade. It's called Abba. The music, Abba, the concert and Abba, the hits the audience in the press. All agree. This is the closest to Abba you'll ever get. Did you go to Abba the concert?

Johnny Jet (01:37:24):
No. I've been to the Abba museum by the way in Sweden.

Leo Laporte (01:37:27):
Wow. And tell me, this is your wife dragging you to this.

Johnny Jet (01:37:30):
Oh, a hundred percent. You

Leo Laporte (01:37:32):
Kidding? Just,

Johnny Jet (01:37:33):
Well again, Viking cruises invited us and they said you have a bunch of shows you can choose from. And she's like, that's fine. Abba. I was like, listen. Yeah, you birth my children. You can do whatever you want.

Leo Laporte (01:37:43):
Yeah. <affirmative> yeah. <laugh> no, my wife drags me to Motley crew concert. So there's that? I guess I'd maybe almost rather see Abba, Johnny Get his newsletters. They're free. He has travel so much information there. You can follow him on Twitter at Johnny jet Instagram, Johnny jet have some safe travels. Mr. Johnny. Thank you.

Johnny Jet (01:38:06):
Have a great thank you. I am traveling this week.

Leo Laporte (01:38:09):
He's your travel and where are you going?

Johnny Jet (01:38:11):
That is a secret

MIkah Sargent (01:38:13):
<laugh> it's

Johnny Jet (01:38:13):
Always a secret of Emilio.

Leo Laporte (01:38:16):
There's a lead Zeppelin reggae cover band called dread Zeppelin.

Johnny Jet (01:38:22):
What was the first concert you ever been to?

Leo Laporte (01:38:24):
Oh wow. The first concert,

MIkah Sargent (01:38:27):
Passion pit

Leo Laporte (01:38:29):
Passion pitch, passion

Johnny Jet (01:38:30):
Pit. I've never even heard of passion. Pit

MIkah Sargent (01:38:32):

Johnny Jet (01:38:33):
You wanna know mine?

Leo Laporte (01:38:35):
What was your first Gogos you never forget your first. That would be great. We got the beat we got

Johnny Jet (01:38:41):
In con new Haven. Connecticut. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe Hartford. I can't remember where it was, but

Leo Laporte (01:38:45):

Johnny Jet (01:38:46):

Leo Laporte (01:38:47):
I don't think, I mean

Johnny Jet (01:38:49):
Went, I bought one of the shirts that said

MIkah Sargent (01:38:51):
It wasn't until college on

Johnny Jet (01:38:52):
The back. It said don't bother me. I'm on vacation.

MIkah Sargent (01:38:55):
And then everyone bothered you <laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:38:57):
Bothered me on my vacation. I think maybe my first concert was seeing journey at the Del Mar theater in Santa Cruz. They had just start started though. This was like 1973.

Johnny Jet (01:39:09):
That's awesome.

Leo Laporte (01:39:11):
So it was a different band. Steve Perry hadn't come along or anything like that. They didn't have any hits or anything.

Johnny Jet (01:39:16):
And what's the best concert you've ever been to.

Leo Laporte (01:39:18):
Oh, that's a tough one.

MIkah Sargent (01:39:19):
Mine was actually, it was the passion pit concert, but it was the opener. Matt and Kim opened for passion pit and they were in incredible. Okay,

Leo Laporte (01:39:30):
Good. Yeah.

MIkah Sargent (01:39:31):
He doesn't know Matt and Kim. I don't know Matt and Kim, but I was actually passion. Pit was damn terrible in comparison because they sort of stayed towards the back of their stage and just sort of performed their album and some people like that. But I like things to be a little bit variable and Matt and Kim, they like at one point she's a drummer and she was over the top of the crowd playing the drums while they were holding her up on this platform and they just really get the audience involved. And so it was a lot of fun.

Johnny Jet (01:40:01):
That's awesome.

Leo Laporte (01:40:02):
Prince in new Orleans that

MIkah Sargent (01:40:03):
Would, but now John's in the room. So I have to say Roger Waters,

Leo Laporte (01:40:05):
Roger Waters, the best concert I ever saw California jam was this your first concert first pop look who look he saw at his first concert, deep purple Emerson lake in Palmer black. Even on the top of the bill. Whoa,

Johnny Jet (01:40:19):
Earth fire

Leo Laporte (01:40:20):
Earth, wind fired Eagles, black Oak Arkansas rare earth at the Ontario motor Speedway. 10:00 AM to 10:00 PM. Wow.

Johnny Jet (01:40:29):
That's awesome.

MIkah Sargent (01:40:29):
You were there the

Leo Laporte (01:40:29):
Time too. Hell of a show.

Johnny Jet (01:40:33):
My first

Leo Laporte (01:40:33):
Concert. That's that's amazing. No wonder you love rock and roll.

MIkah Sargent (01:40:37):
No and wrong. My

Johnny Jet (01:40:39):
Kids love rock and roll. My kids

Leo Laporte (01:40:40):
Concert. One of them was Bob Dylan's rolling. Thunder review in 19 74, 6.

MIkah Sargent (01:40:47):
Am I wrong to say that Roger Waters has some Dylan vibes to him. He

Leo Laporte (01:40:51):
Does. He even quoted Dylan. That's true. He did his last song. Yeah, there's a little Dylan there. Another great concert. More recent at the Oracle park was Metallica and rolling stones. That was pretty good. Def Leppard. No <laugh> I saw your video Def. Oh, Lisa's video. Yeah. Not a big Def leopard fan. I'm too old for that. I like the that's why I love Roger Waters. I'm the older I'd go for the older stuff. I'm watching the judge waiting for judge to hit it. Did he do it? No. Oh yeah. So if he gets 61, that ties Roger me.

Leo Laporte (01:41:33):
I hate to say it, but didn't a guy playing for the San Francisco giants. Yeah, but there's a big asterisk. Oh, cuz of the juice cuz the juice definitely. And Sammy. So and Mark McGuire. Yeah. The bash brothers. Yeah. Yeah. This should be considered real. I, no idea about major league baseball. I was there home run champion. I was there. You were there for Barry bonds when Barry hit his 74. Yeah. 70 said 74 73. So it was funny because my son and I were there at the game and when he tied the record and maybe this was for his 73 73 and we went and I got the Penant and then they did it another one <laugh> but that might have been for the 7 62. Anyway, guy's gonna be worth money. God run. It's kind of an obscure Abba track actually. Yeah, isn't it? Yeah.

MIkah Sargent (01:42:41):
Yeah. It's so funny though, that you can always tell when it's ABA, they just have

Leo Laporte (01:42:48):
A vibe. There's a vibe to 'em <affirmative> they? Oh, I can digress. But this is a tech talk show here. Sure. 88, 8 has Leo. There's some technology in this and I don't want to go into it. <laugh> just, and I think it was in Sweden. There's a kind of a hit machine of producers. Okay. Yeah. And I think ABO was a first to kind of really capture that style, but then Britney Spears hit me baby and there was this whole series of, anyway, Donna's on the line. She's waiting. She's going stop talking about that. Hi Donna from Corona, California.

Caller 4 (01:43:29):
Hi Leo. I'm trying to buy a new laptop. And what I use it for primarily is Photoshop. And I wanna start doing video editing and I've narrowed it down to three, but what's more important. Is it CPU speed or the video memory? Cause one of them has a lower CPU speed, but double the amount of video memory.

Leo Laporte (01:43:54):
It really depends on the program you're using. It's certainly for Photoshop video memory doesn't matter but for video editing, it might, it's really mostly for games. To be honest with you, the video memory on a and that's on the graphics processor, the amount of memory on the processor is primarily for storing the texture maps. When you're walking down a spooky hallway in the game and the walls are all dripping and those are texture maps and the bigger, the texture map, the better the look of the game. So primarily that's what the video Ram is used for. It shouldn't make much of a difference either in Photoshop or in video editing. What do you use for video editing? What program?

Caller 4 (01:44:37):
Well, I'm gonna use DaVinci.

Leo Laporte (01:44:39):
Oh, I love that. So it probably does use the GPU to speed up rendering, but memory and the GPU is not important. It's gonna do most of that in Ram. So it's kind of a complicated proposition. CPU speed is relevant. So there's two kinds of CPU speed. There's a single core speed. And that's what you see quoted the Intel. I seven processor at 3.2 gigahertz. That's not even its regular speed. That's its peak speed. And it can go anywhere from 2.4 to 3.2, depending on what it's doing. And then that's a single core you have. And then the next issue is, well, how many cores you have? You may have four, you may have eight, you may have 16. You may have 32. How many threads per core? Two per core, but it only matters if the program uses it. So if the program is multi threaded, it's hard for a program to do that.

Leo Laporte (01:45:39):
Program is multi threaded. In fact, for instance, Photoshop only a few of the Photoshop filters are not all of them. Most of them, the single core speed is most important, but for a few things like Gian blur the number of cores operating cuz a Gian blur that can take the photo and work on parts of it. So you see, there's no easy answer to this question. If you're using Photoshop. The most important thing I think is Ram is total Ram because Photoshop, the way it works is it keeps a copy of the photo and another copy and another copy and another copy in Ram. And if it has to page it out to disk, that slows it down. So I would say number one is get enough Ram for your biggest photo. Eight gigs is not enough, 16 or 32 even would be better. So get 32 gigs, a Ram, maybe some Photoshop fanatics used more. A GPU is good. It doesn't have to be the best GPU don't need the RTX 4,000 or anything like that. The latest Invidia announced GPU. so cuz you could spend a lot, the 4,000 is over a thousand bucks, 1400 bucks. So you spend a lot of money on that stuff.

Caller 4 (01:46:52):
Okay. They're all 32 gigabyte of Ram. Good. That was one of my requirements. Good. But then the other choice I have to make is either between the I seven or the I nine, nine of course is faster, but it only comes with a one terabyte S S D and the I seven comes with a two

Leo Laporte (01:47:12):
Terabyte. Okay. So these are laptops.

Caller 4 (01:47:15):

Leo Laporte (01:47:15):
So one thing to be aware of is they will give you a rated speed for the I seven and the I nine, but because of cooling issues on laptops, you'll rarely hit those speeds and you can't hit them for very long. So all laptops step down the speed as they heat up a, I think it's much less critical to get a speedy processor and a laptop. If you're getting a desktop and it had liquid cooling, then you could say, oh yeah, I want to get a rise in seven. Or I want to get something with 64 cores running a 3.2 gigahertz because it'll be cool. Your laptop's never gonna see that top I nine or I seven speed ever.

Caller 4 (01:47:58):
Oh, okay. All right. Then I'm better off getting more SSD memory then

Leo Laporte (01:48:04):
If you think you're gonna use it and I bet you would with video. Yeah. Get the two terabytes 32 gigs of Ram is great. I don't think I seven or I nine. I think that's more a Olympics than it is something that really matters. So get an I seven is fine. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Caller 4 (01:48:23):
Okay, great. I think I've made my decision then. Who's

Leo Laporte (01:48:26):
What man. And this is another one. What manufacturer?

Caller 4 (01:48:30):
Well, one of them's LG, the other one's ASO and the other one's an HP.

Leo Laporte (01:48:35):
Okay. Those are all good. I wouldn't complain about any of those.

Caller 4 (01:48:40):
Okay, good. Yeah. Okay. All right.

Leo Laporte (01:48:42):
Fun. What do you do all this? Is this for yourself? Or do you do this for a living?

Caller 4 (01:48:47):
No, it's just for fun. Just

Leo Laporte (01:48:48):
For fun. Nice. What kind of video did he shoot?

Caller 4 (01:48:52):
Well, I've got a drone. So I've been shooting video on

Leo Laporte (01:48:55):
Isn't that fun?

Caller 4 (01:48:57):
Yeah. It's

Leo Laporte (01:48:58):
So cool. Cuz you're seeing the world in a completely different way, but it's also completely mundane. Like this is my house, but I've never seen it from 30 feet up. It's fascinating. Yeah. How fun. And you can make a living. My son for a while was doing drone for real estate. You can make actually pretty good living doing that.

Caller 4 (01:49:19):
Yeah. I have a friend looking into that. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:49:21):
Well have fun. I'm glad we could help you. This is very complicated and this is why apple doesn't really dwell on this stuff too much because it's so complicated. But in the PC land, you know, have thousands of manufacturers, they're all trying to differentiate. And what you probably should do is look at the programs you're gonna use. The questions you wanna say is, do you use the GPU more or the CPU? Are you multi threaded? Do you use multiple cores? If you're you use a GPU, do you need a certain amount of V Ram a video Ram for the GPU? getting faster. If that's the case, then getting more is important, but also getting faster DDR four or five or there's so much so many things to think about. If you go to a quality manufacturer and they say, this is our high end, you're probably fine. You're probably fine. I don't know. What do you do any of that Mike or

MIkah Sargent (01:50:22):
Not a whole lot. No, not these days. At least I used to do a whole bunch of video editing, but

Leo Laporte (01:50:27):
Yeah, my son is <laugh> I feel bad. What is the saying? The cobbler's kids never have new shoes. <laugh> my poor son is still working on an Intel 16 and GenTel MacBook for all of his I know. Oh and I keep saying, and I had ordered him one. Then the company I bought it from went bankrupt. Oh, that's what happened. And now the delay is forever. I'm waiting till October 18th, which I think will be the time apple will announce there M two, their new processors in 14 inch and 16 inch MacBooks. And if they do a, that's gonna be a $4,000 Christmas gift and it probably won't come till Christmas. <laugh> eighty eight, eighty eight ask Leo's the phone number we do put the notes, the links, all the stuff we talk about and the show notes. We also put audio and video from the show and a transcript from the show takes a couple of days to get all that there. But if you go to tech guy, it's free. There's no sign up. We don't want your email address. Tech guy And you're looking for episode 1929, the year of the great stock market crash. The last great stock market crash kind of <laugh> kind of might be saying that about good old 20, 22. Oh boy. Leon Mica. Your tech guy is more calls coming up.

Leo Laporte (01:52:07):
Well, Hey, how are you today? Leo Laporte. Mike, a Sargent we're here, your tech guys talking tech at 88 88, ask Leo 8 88, 8 2 7 5 5, 3, 6, toll free from anywhere in the us or Canada outside that area. You could still call in, but you'll have to use Skype out or something like that. 88 88 ask Leo half an hour ago. We were talking to Johnny jet about the weird case of the American airlines flight, where the PA system was making. We played it. Yeah. Human sounds. Ah I'm reading an article view from the American airlines says no, this no one hacked in the PA system is not wireless is not Bluetooth enabled. It's wired. American airlines inspected the plane and the PA system. And they say, quote, I don't buy this. I don't. This is what they say. Maintenance determined. The sounds were caused by an issue with the PA amplifier. There was no external access to the system. That's

MIkah Sargent (01:53:22):
A lie. Hey,

Leo Laporte (01:53:25):
I think it has to be, I don't know. I mean, how do we verify?

MIkah Sargent (01:53:33):
Unless somehow clips of audio got stuck in the system. <laugh> and we're just playing back. I

Leo Laporte (01:53:41):
Mean, I'll play it again. You tell me, is this a human? Is this voice or not? I've never heard a electronic, no sound. Steven San Diego says RF overload of the amplifier. What could it be?

MIkah Sargent (01:54:07):
Oh, if the R <laugh> it sounds too human. Yeah. If the amplifier was made of vocal chords, maybe <laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:54:16):
If it continued for the entire three hour flight, they never figured out what was wrong. They decided it wasn't a security issue. So they kept the flight going. I don't know how they would know if it was a security issue. If somebody's messing with them. That's weird. Guess just add that to another whole pile of weird anomalies. No one will ever it's swamp gas. That's what it is. Don on the line from Anchorage, Alaska. Hey Don.

Caller 5 (01:54:48):
Oh, hi Leo. Thanks a lot.

Leo Laporte (01:54:49):
Thanks for calling what's up. Well

Caller 5 (01:54:52):
My first concert live was the beach boys. That was long enough ago that I get around was the debut song that they did on stage.

Leo Laporte (01:55:00):
What a great and that's Brian Wilson sitting at the piano there. Oh, I'm so jealous.

Caller 5 (01:55:05):
Yep. And I was only 14 years old. It was really

Leo Laporte (01:55:08):
Great. That's when they could still sing <laugh> oh,

Caller 5 (01:55:11):
Oh yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:55:11):
I have no

MIkah Sargent (01:55:12):

Leo Laporte (01:55:14):
<laugh> wow. That's amazing.

Caller 5 (01:55:15):
I also have a lot of time flying 7 37, 8 hundreds. And I can back up with God. Just told you a few seconds ago. It is a hardwired system. Although all the different stations on the airplane are key addressable. So

Leo Laporte (01:55:25):
Yeah, those are the phone handsets that the flight attends pick up. And the captain has one too, obviously.

Caller 5 (01:55:31):
That's correct. Yeah. The only one that's hardwired is the one in the cockpit, but everything after the cockpit door is brand new technology. So you can't say 7 37 and think old, right? It's not like

Leo Laporte (01:55:42):
That. Right.

Caller 5 (01:55:44):
I have an iPhone SC 20. I took a bunch of photos at a Memorial service for a good friend who would like to have those videos and photos as a memory item. And so I'm trying to figure, make 'em transportable. So I went online and did everybody else says, I Googled, how do you make videos and photos transportable from an iPhone? And that sounded super simple. So I went to my wifi IEC and the hardware connected it with the sync cord and it started downloading the photos and I'm very, very happy it was going swimmingly well, but it was very slow. So I left it for a while and I came back after about an hour and it seemed to be done. So I disconnected the phone. I went in and I did some practiced looking at you.

Leo Laporte (01:56:26):
Who's that?

Caller 5 (01:56:27):
That's my wife. We listened to you all the time. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:56:30):
Thank you. <laugh> I love couples that listen to this show. Isn't that

MIkah Sargent (01:56:34):
Great. Really sweet.

Leo Laporte (01:56:35):

Caller 5 (01:56:37):
<laugh> so I went back and I did a test view on some of the videos and they were absolutely awesome. But then I noticed that out of the 49 files that I had on my phone, there were only 21 that were downloaded. So I went back and I tried to download 'em again and it would download the same 21 files and stop. Well, then I thought, okay, I must have disconnected it too soon. And for somehow or other, I put a stop on the download. So I erased all the videos that I had already downloaded and tried to go in and do it again. I had 3,964 total files in my phone's video and photo library. And it downloaded all 3,964 files minus the missing 28 files that I cannot get it to download. I tried.

Leo Laporte (01:57:24):
Do you use iCloud backup?

Caller 5 (01:57:28):
I do.

Leo Laporte (01:57:30):
I'm gonna guess. And I don't know, Mikah's the expert on this. He hosts a show called iOS today. I should just shut up and let him answer. But I'm wondering if maybe iCloud, it was uploaded to iCloud. The originals were deleted from the phone. You think Mikah.

MIkah Sargent (01:57:42):
So yeah, this that

Leo Laporte (01:57:44):
Happens with

MIkah Sargent (01:57:45):
Photos. Exactly. This does sort of sound like there is a sync issue that is sort of playing havoc with everything where it thinks that everything is put processed as it's supposed to, but those files may not be downloaded fully to the iPhones. Whenever you're trying to do the transfer, it's not working, but I do have a question for you. Do you know the specific 28 files that are the ones that are not getting transferred over to the Mac?

Caller 5 (01:58:11):
I do because I've, I've got those same files. I can view them anytime I want to on my iPad or my iPhone, I just can't get the transfer over to the iMac. So what I can put 'em on a thumb drive and then give 'em to my friend.

MIkah Sargent (01:58:23):
So what I'm gonna recommend is instead of doing the process where you plug it in and you make the transfer that way instead, what you'll do is you will select a subset of those 28. So I would do about 10 at a time. So 10, 10, and then eight and okay. Use air for those videos, if that's what it's videos, because what will happen when you do that is if they are stored somewhere up in the cloud and they're not locally. And so it's just playing it back when you airdrop it absolutely forces the phone to say, okay, I've gotta grab these. I've got to transfer them over as files. And what's more is that it will then transfer them in a way that kind of skirts, the typical process that apple uses for transferring photos from an iPhone to a Mac. And so it's a troubleshooting step in which we kind of trick the machine into just treating them as files for a moment instead of the special kind of file that is a photo or a video. So yeah, air dropping from the iPhone to the Mac should help you get those 28. And since specifically which ones they are, that'll be easy to do instead of having to sort through them all. And try,

Leo Laporte (01:59:35):
We always use airdrop instead of messages or email to transfer photos, cuz airdrops sends the full quality

MIkah Sargent (01:59:43):
Without it compressing. Exactly. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:59:45):
So you can airdrop to your Mac.

Caller 5 (01:59:48):
I saw that as an option <affirmative> and I thought, okay, great. But my iMac is hardwired uses an ethernet connection to the mode. That's

Leo Laporte (01:59:56):
Fine. But turn on wifi.

MIkah Sargent (01:59:57):
Anyway. It just temporarily turn on wifi. Yeah.

Caller 5 (02:00:00):
Oh, I didn't know. I could do that at the same time. Yeah.

MIkah Sargent (02:00:03):
Yep. You can have so on. All of my machines, wifi stays on specifically for airdrop, but I use ethernet for my machine at home. So they have both ethernet and wifi turned on at the same time and it will prioritize the faster connections. So you'll still get those ethernet speeds for everything else, but you'll have airdrop available when you need it.

Caller 5 (02:00:25):
Awesome. That's really cool.

Leo Laporte (02:00:26):
Then you also, Mikah told me about a program that I've been using to transfer stuff off my iPhone ever since called I amazing. Yes.

MIkah Sargent (02:00:35):
This is the sort of if all else fails break the glass option <laugh> it is called I amazing that's

Leo Laporte (02:00:42):
Cuz it costs

MIkah Sargent (02:00:42):
Money. Yes, exactly. So we're going the free route first, but if you still do run into trouble, there's an incredible app called I amazing just to release a new update recently and it lets you do better backups than even Apple's own inbuilt backup for your iPhone. And what's more is that you can actually kind of go in and see files on your iPhone while you have it connected. So you could then go in search for those files, specifically select those videos and then drag and drop them onto the Mac. But I have a feeling that you'll get there with airdrop, but if all else fails, I and of course we'll include a link in the show notes.

Caller 5 (02:01:21):
Very good time for one more question. Sure. I talked with Leo about this a few months ago. I have an older it's. It was originally a windows seven computer that I accidentally allowed it to upgrade to windows 10 and that kind of destroyed the machine <laugh> but I was thinking I it's the best keyboard I've ever had on a computer that I've ever used. And I love the thing. The architecture is actually fantastic. I was wondering about the possibility of switching over to an SSD and completely redoing the whole thing with a Linux type system and converting it. Is that something that's doable?

Leo Laporte (02:01:55):
Sure. It easily done. How old is the laptop?

Caller 5 (02:01:59):
Well windows seven was fairly new when I bought it. Okay.

Leo Laporte (02:02:03):
Yeah, it should. If it can run windows seven it should run Lennox beautifully. No problem at all. Most it's well who makes it?

Caller 5 (02:02:12):
It was an HP. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (02:02:13):
Sometimes HP I've had trouble with HP. I had a specter, it was a little tricky to get Linux installed cuz they lock it down a little bit but you should be able to it's easy. Just Google that particular model and Linux and somebody will have written a blog post saying here's how I got it working. If you've loved that keyboard. I think that's a very good reason to keep that thing going. And the nice thing about putting Linux on there instead of windows is it'll be kept up to date the easiest Linux for something like that. That probably has the maximum capability. Compatibility is a pop OS from system 76. These are all free. I use another one called Manjaro that I that's just my default for everything. It's just seems to work with every piece of hardware I throw at it. But first Google that model and Lennox and see what bloggers have written. Somebody for sure is blogged. I have an HP inspector 360 and I show Ubuntu and here's what I worked and didn't work and then you'll know ahead of time.

Caller 5 (02:03:14):
All right, well thank the

Leo Laporte (02:03:15):
Only thing I would say about Lennox sometimes on laptops is battery. Life is gonna go down when most laptops are tuned for windows, windows has better software to manage the battery. So don't expect but an older laptop like that, your battery's probably already declining anyway.

Caller 5 (02:03:31):
Just replaced the battery before. Oh, perfect. All calmed out on.

Leo Laporte (02:03:35):
So you may or may not see worse battery life. That would be the only thing.

Caller 5 (02:03:39):
Very good. Thank you so much.

Leo Laporte (02:03:41):
Hey great. Yeah. Good to talk to you. Eighty eight eighty eight, ask Leo the phone number. Another happy customer ring that bell press the button. Ring the bell. What bell do I ring? This one?

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That's the view calls coming up.

MIkah Sargent (02:04:00):
I'm doing my solely pushups.

Leo Laporte (02:04:14):
I have all these buttons and I haven't really done much with them.

MIkah Sargent (02:04:19):
You've got button guilt. I

Leo Laporte (02:04:21):
Got button guilt. That's exactly right.

MIkah Sargent (02:04:23):
That's part. I will tell you. That's honestly, the reason why I've never upgraded to that one. It's got so many buttons because I've got plenty on mine and I don't wanna us look at them all and go. There's so much potential here.

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Just do what I tell you.

MIkah Sargent (02:04:39):
You need to add the airplane sound now wrong

Leo Laporte (02:04:41):
Hair. Oh, that's a good idea. Oh, I take it from your excitement. This is something I

MIkah Sargent (02:04:48):
Actually, I thought this was a different song. So

Leo Laporte (02:04:50):
<laugh> is this Camillo Cabrero?

MIkah Sargent (02:04:53):
I have no idea.

Leo Laporte (02:04:54):
I don't know who it is. I don't even know her name. Lisa Lisa. Oh, it's Lisa Lisa named after my wife, wife, 88 88. Ask Leo, Leo <laugh>. Now that's the phone number. If you have a question, comment, a suggestion. You get two for one on Saturday's mic Sargent and Leo Laporte. Bill's on the line from wittier, California. Hello bill.

Caller 6 (02:05:16):
Hello is Leo. Thank you for taking our call.

Leo Laporte (02:05:18):
Of course. What's up.

Caller 6 (02:05:24):
Go ahead.

Leo Laporte (02:05:25):
Who is us? Who is our, why are you using the,

Caller 6 (02:05:28):
My wife? Marion, go

Leo Laporte (02:05:29):
Ahead. Marion. You're on.

MIkah Sargent (02:05:31):
I thought you were doing the Royal

Caller 6 (02:05:33):

MIkah Sargent (02:05:33):
How name is bill?

Caller 6 (02:05:37):
So my question was MSN. I can get the main page, but if I wanna read into the article, I get a blank page

MIkah Sargent (02:05:46):
On what device?

Caller 6 (02:05:49):
Mini iPad.

MIkah Sargent (02:05:50):
Okay. So on iPad, many, many, you go into safari, I imagine. And you were trying to see the MSN page, but when you go to the MSN page, nothing shows up. It's just a blank screen. Is it a white screen or a black screen?

Caller 6 (02:06:04):
So when it clicks on the link, it's a white screen.

MIkah Sargent (02:06:08):
Okay. So you're on the MSN news page. You click on a link that's there and a new tab opens up or it just loads a new page. And instead it's a white page,

Caller 6 (02:06:18):

MIkah Sargent (02:06:19):
Oh, interesting. Something's

Leo Laporte (02:06:21):
Blocking the

MIkah Sargent (02:06:21):
Content blocker

Leo Laporte (02:06:22):
And frankly, that's the kind of thing I would like to have on my <laugh> so I could never read MSN ever. But assuming that you want to read that fascinating article about I don't know, Paris Hilton walking down the Versace runway or whatever it might be. There is almost certainly something keeping you from getting there. Can you go in safari by itself to the MSN news site and read news there?

MIkah Sargent (02:06:50):
I think that's what he's doing. He's going

Leo Laporte (02:06:52):
To, well, he's clicking a link, but I wonder if you can manually go to and see stuff, try that. Yeah.

MIkah Sargent (02:07:00):
I, you go to and you,

Caller 6 (02:07:02):
I can see the headlines.

MIkah Sargent (02:07:04):
And then once you click on one of those links on that thing, that's where you're having

Leo Laporte (02:07:08):
Same thing happens. Correct. So you see the images or how much of the page do you see I'm looking at MSN. I see a picture of the UN I see fires in Iran. It might be different cuz MSN customizes itself. But I do see the images actually. I see one here. That's blank. That must be an advertisement.

Caller 6 (02:07:34):
It's just a white page.

Caller 6 (02:07:35):

Leo Laporte (02:07:36):
Ah, it's a white, nothing on there. Nothing on it. That's when you click the title, but right, right. But when you go to the front page of, do you see all the images and everything? Yeah.

Caller 6 (02:07:48):

Leo Laporte (02:07:48):
We do. Okay.

MIkah Sargent (02:07:49):
All right. So here's what we're gonna try. I'm gonna click on one of these articles on MSN and you should see in the top left corner of your iPad, do you see little characters? There's like an a a, and then there's a little puzzle icon,

Caller 6 (02:08:07):
A puzzle on the right hand side.

MIkah Sargent (02:08:10):
No, this would be on the top left where you type in in your browser,

Caller 6 (02:08:16):
Right? It it's got two little square.

MIkah Sargent (02:08:19):
Yes. And what's what do those are in those squares?

Caller 6 (02:08:23):

MIkah Sargent (02:08:24):

Leo Laporte (02:08:24):
You sound like a doctor right now. Impressed.

MIkah Sargent (02:08:27):
So, wow. I'm wondering if you do, you're running the latest. Have you updated your iPad to the latest version?

Caller 6 (02:08:35):
It won't allow us to.

MIkah Sargent (02:08:37):

Leo Laporte (02:08:37):
So it's

MIkah Sargent (02:08:38):

Leo Laporte (02:08:38):
Now. We're getting somewhere here.

MIkah Sargent (02:08:40):
Yeah. So I think instead this is something you're gonna wanna do in the safari settings. So instead of being in safari, what we actually wanna do is temporarily go into the settings app and then scroll down until on that iPad. You see the safari icon, you'll see the safari name next to it. And when you tap on that, you should have settings for safari. And what I want you to look for is a setting called extensions or a setting called blocking. There's something that has the word.

Leo Laporte (02:09:16):
What do you think's going on here?

MIkah Sargent (02:09:18):
I think that there's some sort of

Leo Laporte (02:09:19):
Some blocker

MIkah Sargent (02:09:19):
Running blocker running. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:09:21):
Do you have any security software on your iPhone? iPad? No ad or iPad? No no ad blocking software. Yeah. You should definitely check extensions. <affirmative>

MIkah Sargent (02:09:32):
For content blockers.

Leo Laporte (02:09:34):
Check the date. Also make sure your date is correct on your iPad. That it is today's date.

Caller 6 (02:09:41):
Okay. We can check that.

Leo Laporte (02:09:42):
Yeah. Just to make sure.

Caller 6 (02:09:45):
Okay. So I'm under safari.

MIkah Sargent (02:09:47):
Okay. And what are you seeing on that screen? Do you see something called content blockers or extensions as one of those settings?

Leo Laporte (02:09:57):
In fact, do you see any extensions? Yeah,

MIkah Sargent (02:09:59):

Caller 6 (02:10:01):

MIkah Sargent (02:10:02):
Okay. No, I don't know how old the that's now we don't know how old the iPad mini is. So what version of it might

Leo Laporte (02:10:08):
Be that if you have an old version of S what version of safari does it say is on your iPad? Be about in the about section. Maybe it's really old.

MIkah Sargent (02:10:19):
It could be, but this should be working and well, we have to take a break, but stay on the line for

Leo Laporte (02:10:25):
Us. Yeah. We'll do this off the air. Wow. I was impressed. That was cool. Leo Laporte, Mike tech guys more to come right after this, the problem on an iPad or any iOS device, you could install other browsers. It wouldn't make any difference. Yeah, exactly. Because it's all, you're still gonna use web

MIkah Sargent (02:10:47):
Kit stuff in the background. So here's the other thing is I have actually had something similar to this happen. I don't go to the MSN page, but I have visited a site. And when I first go to the site, it doesn't load and I just have to hit the refresh icon and then it does load. I don't know why it does it, but occasionally sites do that. And what I found in the past is if I disable any type of content, do you have a

Leo Laporte (02:11:11):
VPN running

MIkah Sargent (02:11:13):
Where we're going next? So what router do you use? Do you use the one that was provided to you by your internet service provider? The person you pay internet for?

Caller 6 (02:11:22):

MIkah Sargent (02:11:23):
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. This is a tough one because there's so many different things that could do that. Now go ahead. If you didn't already bill go to like you did before and then tap on one of those links and the page is blank. And what I want you to do is refresh that page and see if the page remains blank. Or if it then loads after that,

Caller 6 (02:11:53):
How you refreshing or Nope. It's just

MIkah Sargent (02:12:00):
Blank. It's still blank for you. Okay. Yeah. This is a really odd one. I honestly <laugh>, without knowing more, it's hard to be able to figure out what could be going on here.

Leo Laporte (02:12:14):
Do other websites do the same thing or is it just MSN?

Caller 6 (02:12:18):
Just MSN.

Leo Laporte (02:12:20):
So what that tells me is that something is, and this is what we're going. The route we're going down is something's blocking the content. You could see the front page

MIkah Sargent (02:12:32):
And all MSN links that you click on are still, da, da, that doesn't pop you out to a new page. So we know it's gotta be something to do with that blocking of MSN. It's just not blocking the main page. See the, my other thought. Okay. So at the top where you found that refresh, good work on knowing where that was, it was in that same bar where you type in the website, right?

Caller 6 (02:12:55):

MIkah Sargent (02:12:56):
Okay. Now, is there anything else in that bar besides that refresh icon?

Caller 6 (02:13:02):
It just says it has the lock and it says

MIkah Sargent (02:13:06):
Okay. Nothing to the left of that Nope. Okay.

Leo Laporte (02:13:10):
Okay. So it's coming from the same server

MIkah Sargent (02:13:12):
Because I was wondering if we couldn't turn on reader mode is there, I don't know how to access it.

Leo Laporte (02:13:16):
Reset safari on an iPad or clear the cash.

MIkah Sargent (02:13:19):
You can clear the cash. Let me see.

Caller 6 (02:13:23):
And I have done that. You have, oh all. Yeah, no I've cleared the cash.

Leo Laporte (02:13:27):
Do you see this in any other site is just MSN,

Caller 6 (02:13:32):
Just MSN. And then he ordered a used little mini iPad too. And it gives him that same error.

Leo Laporte (02:13:39):
Oh, so now I'm wondering if there's your router or your ISP is for some reason locking this content.

Caller 6 (02:13:49):
We took it to McDonald's try their router.

Leo Laporte (02:13:52):
Oh, good. Smart. And

Caller 6 (02:13:53):
The same results.

Leo Laporte (02:13:54):
Very smart. That

MIkah Sargent (02:13:55):
Was, yeah. That is a very clever

Leo Laporte (02:13:56):
Thing to, so now we know it. Isn't your ISP or your router.

MIkah Sargent (02:14:00):

Leo Laporte (02:14:00):
Is a, and it's two different iPads doing this.

Caller 6 (02:14:03):
Now we have a third iPad that my that's my wife's Uhhuh and I can click on MSN and get the secondary that

Leo Laporte (02:14:12):
Works. So it works. There are these hers, newer hers is newer than these two other ones.

Caller 6 (02:14:18):
Yeah. Yes they are.

Leo Laporte (02:14:19):
I think it's just that the browser is old after you stop getting iOS updates, you usually stop getting safari updates and there's something Microsoft is doing. That's making an, is incompatible with these older browsers. Yeah. This is unfortunate. This sometimes happens. They're using a protocol of some kind that the older browser doesn't understand or if it's yeah. Yeah. The newer browser, you could try installing Chrome or Firefox. They're gonna use the same browser engine, but at least it might work better. It might be more up to date. So I would try installing it. So I have to run, unfortunately. I don't think we've helped you much. Yeah.

MIkah Sargent (02:15:04):
This was a tough one. <laugh> yeah. Again, I think that it's not a bad idea to, oh, sorry.

Leo Laporte (02:15:17):
Who is this? Oh, also heard recently on the iHeart media iHeartRadio music stage hit me with your best shot. Was she wearing wasn't she famous for her? Like Leah wearing a leotard. Wasn't that? Wasn't that? Her trademark. Okay. 88. That's all I remember about pat Batard 88, 88 ask Leah. Well, so we talked more with bill and his wife about their iPad problem and the best we can come up with, they have three iPads, a newer one, MSN works. The two older ones. It does not. The best we could come up with is that it is possible because you have older iPads that don't have iOS 16 and the latest version of safari that there's something Microsoft in particular does that is incompatible with the older browser. This

MIkah Sargent (02:16:12):
Is really frustrating me. It makes

Leo Laporte (02:16:14):
It doesn't Rick con five reminds us that pat beitar had a five Octa range. I think you're thinking of mini Riperton, but I might be wrong on we go with the show Stan in Los Angeles. Hello, Stan, Leo and Mica. Hey,

Caller 7 (02:16:29):
Thanks for taking the call. I'll tell you what the problem is. And I'll tell you what's been done to try to fix it. So I have spectrum with an Android and for about, gosh, at least a month I'll get alerts to say app update, waiting for wifi, but I have full wifi signal. And then the only options are, wait for wifi or whatever. And then I was also noticing that when I first got spectrum, I would have spectrum wifi plus, which I guess that's like you get mobile hotspot. I don't really understand it, but you just get wifi.

Leo Laporte (02:17:06):
Ah, I know what's going on here immediately. <laugh>

Caller 7 (02:17:10):
Then they changed it, I think six months or a year ago to just spectrum mobile. And that's been

Leo Laporte (02:17:16):
So when you're at home at works

Caller 7 (02:17:19):
Well, when I'm at home, I have my own home wifi, but no, even when I'm at home. So I turn the phone on in the morning, turn off at night. I turn on in the morning and then I get this app update alert, waiting for wifi. And I've got full wifi.

Leo Laporte (02:17:34):
This is and what, and this is an iPhone.

Caller 7 (02:17:37):
<affirmative> it's an Android.

Leo Laporte (02:17:39):
It's an Android. Which Android version? What phone is it? I guess galaxy. Galaxy. Okay. So it's a Samsung galaxy. Yeah. I think that this Samsung in order to preserve battery life is turning off the wifi when the phone is sleeping and then it turns it back on. And as you know, if you've ever turned wifi off and on again, it takes a little bit for the wifi to handshake with the router and wifi to be working again. And that's why you're getting that message waiting for wifi. It's waiting to make that connection again. So I

Caller 7 (02:18:18):
Wanna make sure we're on the same page because I'm at home and the wifi is always on, but I do turn my phone off when I go to bed. And then when I wake up, I turn on

Leo Laporte (02:18:27):
Yeah, the phone is sleeping. You turn it off completely.

Caller 7 (02:18:32):
I turn it off completely at night.

Leo Laporte (02:18:34):
Just like you power down. Yeah. So it's normal. When you first turn on a phone or you first join a new network, it takes a, takes a few seconds to join it. How long is the wait?

Caller 7 (02:18:50):
I'm not sure I understand your question.

Leo Laporte (02:18:52):
Well, I'm not sure I understand your question. So <laugh>, you're saying you go to bed and you shut the phone. You don't just turn off the screen, you turn it off all the way,

Caller 7 (02:19:02):
Turn it off all the way.

Leo Laporte (02:19:03):
Then you get up in the morning, you turn it back on phone boots up and everything. <affirmative> and then it pops up a message saying, waiting for wifi.

Caller 7 (02:19:12):
It says app update, waiting for wifi. Right. And I've got full wifi.

Leo Laporte (02:19:18):
Well, yeah, but you don't yet have a connection. So seeing those bars just says, I see something, but it still has to handshake. It has to give it the password. Remember, you've got a password on your wifi, right?

Caller 7 (02:19:34):
Yeah. But I'm already

Leo Laporte (02:19:35):
No understand. Before it can give the password to the router. It has to establish a connection. That doesn't mean you have internet access,

Caller 7 (02:19:44):
But I do have internet access.

Leo Laporte (02:19:46):
How do you know that?

Caller 7 (02:19:48):
Because I'm doing a bunch of other things on my phone.

Leo Laporte (02:19:52):
So you're able to use your use the wifi <affirmative> well, maybe though you're using the 3g or the LTE on the phone instead of the wifi.

Caller 7 (02:20:01):
No, I've got full wifi. Does

Leo Laporte (02:20:04):
Android, you have full wifi.

Caller 7 (02:20:09):
Well, I mean, I'm not using the any data I'm not using the LTE. And even here's the thing is even when I've been out, I've been to place at my church or whatever, where I'm using I'm on their wifi and I've done a restart on the phone there. And so there is wifi available. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that I have whole wifi, a nice full wifi strength. And it says waiting for wifi and I'm doing other stuff. How long

Leo Laporte (02:20:34):
Do you wait?

Caller 7 (02:20:37):
How long do I wait?

Leo Laporte (02:20:38):
How long before that goes away,

Caller 7 (02:20:41):
It doesn't go away. It stays on there.

Leo Laporte (02:20:43):
Ah, okay. And if you turn off wifi and turn it back on, it stays on or no,

Caller 7 (02:20:49):
Doesn't make a difference.

Leo Laporte (02:20:51):
Okay. Are you on a metered network? It, did you turn on metered network?

Caller 7 (02:21:00):
I believe I am. Cause it counts. My data. Spectrum has had me do a few network resets, which really through everything at whack and I had to redo everything and it'll disconnect me from wifi. That's been another.

Leo Laporte (02:21:13):
So here's a question. Do you have an app called Samsung max?

Caller 7 (02:21:19):
I don't think so.

Leo Laporte (02:21:20):
No. So there is an Samsung does some strange stuff with wifi and cellular data because it's trying to save you money and there's actually a program that will do this. I'm wondering if Samsung is kind of trying to save you cellular data by using the wifi and switching it on and off. Samsung, max is a data that minimizes data and wifi usage, but it actually interferes with the, is it when it is the only time is when you're downloading apps?

Caller 7 (02:22:04):
No, sir. So when I get up in the morning, I turn on my phone and then I just don't even try to use it. I gave it about five minutes to do all its morning, stretches and exercise and all that before I try to do anything. And so it'll say app update available. As a matter of fact, I'll bring it up right now. So I can mean that's what it says, but it says app update available, waiting for wifi. It's got four, one update available app update paused, waiting for wifi. Okay. Samsung members.

Leo Laporte (02:22:38):
So go into the settings, go into the settings and it is on the app update. So go into the settings on the play store and under general, you'll see app download preference and you're gonna click, oh, the play store on the play store. That's what you're using to download the apps. That's the Google play store. And in the settings, there's an app download preference. And you want to check the box that says on any network. And I think that that what's happening is yeah, this is a spacious message cuz your wifi is working and it shouldn't stay on. There might be a brief period of time that it's doing this, but it shouldn't stay on.

Caller 7 (02:23:17):
Okay. So I'm on settings. So go to network preferences, right? Yep.

Leo Laporte (02:23:21):
No settings general. This is

Caller 7 (02:23:24):
Settings general.

Leo Laporte (02:23:24):
This is in the play store though in this play play store app.

Caller 7 (02:23:28):

Leo Laporte (02:23:29):
Settings general app download preference.

Caller 7 (02:23:34):

Leo Laporte (02:23:35):
This is very geeky

Caller 7 (02:23:38):
<laugh> okay. So under general it has account preferences, notifications, account device, preferences, notifications, theme, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and Google play instant Google. So

Leo Laporte (02:23:54):
Maybe it's under network. You need to find there's a setting. Let me look at my Samsung. I happen to have one right here. <laugh> for just such calls. Samsung does so many weird things that sometimes I have to actually. So

Caller 7 (02:24:08):
Network network network preferences says data uses for downloads auto updates. Oh, here it is. App download preference. And it says over any network and then auto update apps over wifi only.

Leo Laporte (02:24:22):
Yeah. So make it on any network.

Caller 7 (02:24:25):
Okay. You

Leo Laporte (02:24:26):
Will stop seeing that message might wanna force close the app just to get it started again. Dick D Bartolo. The GIW coming up. Did that. So yeah. What it was checked on wifi only before.

Caller 7 (02:24:44):
Yes it was. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:24:45):
So make it on any network.

Caller 7 (02:24:48):
Okay. So that use data then maybe. Huh?

Leo Laporte (02:24:50):
It might it, well, it won't because you have wifi, but it will get rid of that stupid message. <laugh> and then I would then force quit the play store, swipe it away

Caller 7 (02:25:05):
And then just do a restart probably. Huh?

Leo Laporte (02:25:07):
Yeah. Do a restart would even be better and see if that yeah. Okay. See if that fixes it I'm looking at a topic that says folks. When I click to download an app on the play store, I get a constant message saying, waiting for wifi when the WiFi's actually working. And this is apparently a Samsung issue. And I think this will work. At least that seems to be a solution that a number of the people on the forums have accepted as being the right answer. Would

Caller 7 (02:25:39):
You know why when I'm out and about, and I don't have wifi cause it normally connects like the spectrum wifi. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:25:47):
So this is a problem. And that's what I thought your original problem was. We have the same problem with that's

Caller 7 (02:25:51):
Another problem. Yeah. Yeah. That's another problem. Cause this weekend I've been out and I don't have any wifi. So I click on my wifi. It says scanning for available network and spectrum wifi plus, which I don't think they do anymore. I think is spectrum people now that doesn't come up really on.

Leo Laporte (02:26:09):
Yeah. So we have that problem cuz we Xfinity does that too. And there's an Xfinity all over the town, but not everybody's connected to the internet. So it'll join basically was a bogus wifi access point. Think it's getting wifi when it's in fact getting nothing at all. <laugh> and that's really bad.

Caller 7 (02:26:28):
So it's just the latest thing.

Leo Laporte (02:26:30):
Yeah. Just what I do is I forget, and I would encourage you to forget that network. So it doesn't auto join it. Or if there's an auto joint switch, turn off auto joint, you don't want it to auto join that spectrum network cuz that will and it'll kill you every time.

Caller 7 (02:26:44):
Really? Yeah. Yeah. Cause I have a VPN, so I feel safe and

Leo Laporte (02:26:48):
It's not that it's just that there are people who have the wifi access point visible who have no network connection. I don't know how that happens, but it's happens on Xfinity all the time.

Caller 7 (02:27:00):
Wow. Okay. All right. Hey, thanks for your help. Hey,

Leo Laporte (02:27:05):
I hope that helps if it doesn't <laugh> we're out of time. So it doesn't matter.

Caller 7 (02:27:09):
They had me doing network resets. It was just a note. It

Leo Laporte (02:27:15):
Was their first step. You know why when you call customer service, they have a notebook, a loose leaf notebook and they go to the tab on that notebook and they just go down the list because they don't really deeply understand what they're talking about. So they don't have went

Caller 7 (02:27:32):
Search yesterday in store and actually replaced a stem card. <laugh> and then

Leo Laporte (02:27:37):
Yeah, I think this setting will fix it. Believe it or not as simple as that sounds. Well, thank you. Hey, good luck. All right. Have a great one. Yeah, let us know. Yeah. Oh, there we go. At first I was afraid. Alright. I want the hand gestures. Do you know the hand gestures? It's so fun to act this song out. I will survive. We will survive because you know why it's time for the greatest person in the whole wide world. The kids with himself, Dick DeBartolo, Mads mad writer. Hello? Dickie. D

Dick DeBartolo (02:28:27):
Leo. How you doing pal?

Leo Laporte (02:28:28):
I am feeling fine now that you are here.

Johnny Jet (02:28:32):
Oh wow.

Leo Laporte (02:28:33):
Because every week you bring me some piece of junk <laugh> that I end up buying and regret it.

Johnny Jet (02:28:38):
I cannot wait to hear Leo's reaction to

Leo Laporte (02:28:41):
This one. Oh, you already know? Oh,

Johnny Jet (02:28:42):
Have you peeked ahead? Oh, I sneak a peak. Yeah. Oh my goodness. So I can plan for the show. This is very funny. Okay. So it's a new game. Well, it's not too new because I think like 1500 people have already bought it. Oh 2,700. Okay. It's called it's bananas. Yeah. And it is the monkey tail game. <laugh> and as the company says, it's the kids' teens and tipsy adults.

Leo Laporte (02:29:15):
These games always worry me. The last time we got one of these games on your recommendation. I might add, you put a thing in your mouth. Oh, de

Johnny Jet (02:29:25):
Hi. Oh yeah, this is yeah. No, this won't be painful at all. So you take your monkey tail. <laugh>

Leo Laporte (02:29:32):
Wait a minute. What you mean? You take your monkey tail.

Johnny Jet (02:29:36):
You get two monkey tails and you blow them up. Is it

Leo Laporte (02:29:40):
A balloon?

Johnny Jet (02:29:41):
Yeah. It's like, it's like a balloon. Okay. And then it comes with a belt and the belt goes around.

Leo Laporte (02:29:47):
You have to wear it.

Johnny Jet (02:29:49):
Yeah. You gotta wear your to tail. You wear. Well, of course the monkey tail is behind the monkey. And then

Leo Laporte (02:29:56):
How do you wear it? Where do you wear around your waist?

Johnny Jet (02:29:59):
You wear it around your waist and you put the little loops on the floor and the object is you spin a spinner and it tells you how many loops you have to pick up.

Leo Laporte (02:30:09):
By the way, I could see you're doing this in Dennis's apartment. Yes. Is this a game for two?

Johnny Jet (02:30:17):
It's a game for two. You get two tails and it's more than yes. When I, oh,

Leo Laporte (02:30:25):
This is guaranteed fun for the whole fails.

Johnny Jet (02:30:28):
Two cocktail, you knows Leo. I found this at a trade show at the new product show and this guy stepped up behind the table and I just said, oh my God.

Leo Laporte (02:30:38):
So yeah, he had a tail coming up. He had a tail legs. And then you used the tail to hook things.

Johnny Jet (02:30:45):
Yes. So you get these loops.

Leo Laporte (02:30:47):
Did Dennis ever play this game or did he just cast you outside?

Johnny Jet (02:30:51):
Well, we got it yesterday, so I just blew them. And now you have to walk around and bend down and loop and all right.

Leo Laporte (02:31:03):
I'm getting, this is fun for the whole family.

Johnny Jet (02:31:05):
Yeah. It's 22. It's 21.

Leo Laporte (02:31:07):
Yeah. We'll be playing this next Christmas.

Johnny Jet (02:31:09):
Yeah. Oh my gosh. And there's another, there's a fun thing. One part of the spinner says you must weigh your tail backwards. Oh, okay. That's tough. Tough. So that yes, that <laugh>, that's a riot. <laugh>

Leo Laporte (02:31:24):
You're very good with the prehensile tale there. That's

Johnny Jet (02:31:27):
Good. I really think I was actually born with one, but

Leo Laporte (02:31:31):

Johnny Jet (02:31:32):
Wow. Being Italianate on alter anything.

Leo Laporte (02:31:34):
So yes, that's right. Yes. Yeah. So it's called bananas

Johnny Jet (02:31:39):
Bananas and it's bananas

Leo Laporte (02:31:41):
Monkey tail game. And you get it on Amazon. Wow.

Johnny Jet (02:31:44):
Yeah. Oh, there's a better price. My link, the link I put up 21, 24,

Leo Laporte (02:31:51):
They saw you. They saw that you did

Johnny Jet (02:31:53):
A link go up already and they

Leo Laporte (02:31:55):
Raised the price. They did do that. They do that.

Johnny Jet (02:31:58):
Yes, they do

Leo Laporte (02:31:59):
Do that. Well, I could spend a couple more wait.

MIkah Sargent (02:32:01):
I'm logged in and it is only 21, 24. So it might be a prime deal of some sort because oh,

Johnny Jet (02:32:07):

Leo Laporte (02:32:07):
See, I can get it by Friday. Yeah. No Monday I'm gonna have to, oh,

Johnny Jet (02:32:12):
There it is. Yeah. You're right. It says join prime and get it for 2124.

MIkah Sargent (02:32:17):
Yeah. But

Leo Laporte (02:32:17):
I'm on prime.

MIkah Sargent (02:32:18):
I don't think you're logged in Leo.

Leo Laporte (02:32:21):
Oh yeah. I'm not signed in. Okay. Yeah. Monk. So be a prime member and save three bucks.

MIkah Sargent (02:32:27):
I'm buying this. No. Are you? Oh yeah. This is hilarious.

Johnny Jet (02:32:30):
Oh, this is hilarious. I mean just playing it, shitting the video. It it's just very funny. It's a very funny thing. We

Leo Laporte (02:32:41):
Need things to do during family. Get togethers. Otherwise this is it. We might talk politics, religion, sex, or drugs.

Johnny Jet (02:32:51):
Talk to each other or

Leo Laporte (02:32:52):
Talk to each other this way. We have something to do that will keep everybody laughing and keep the conversation light.

Johnny Jet (02:33:02):
Good. Yeah. I like it. And what, in one of their ads, it said that on TikTok they've already gotten 50 million views.

Leo Laporte (02:33:10):
I just bought it. Mike had just bought it. Oh,

Johnny Jet (02:33:12):
Okay. You

Leo Laporte (02:33:12):
Got okay. I think, wait a minute that that's, that's like

Johnny Jet (02:33:16):
A do of the tails. I can see that a twist special.

Leo Laporte (02:33:20):
Yeah. That's special. Yeah. Wow. <laugh> I can't tell you what the chat room's saying right now, but they're enjoying this. Yeah.

Johnny Jet (02:33:34):
Oh, good. Very good.

Leo Laporte (02:33:36):
Wow. Go to That sticks website. G I Z w Iz dot B Iz. He's our gizmo wizard. Get it. So that's the GIW and if you click the blue blue, the big blue, the big blue button, the big blue button that says Thero GWiz visits, the tech eye groupey Doug click the big blue button. And you will see your monkey tail, but you can also, while your GI wisdom is you can also click the big red button that says, what the heck is it? That's the, what the heck is it? Contest chance to win an autograph copy of mad magazine. If you can identify this close up image of a gizmo or a gadget

Johnny Jet (02:34:21):
And Leo, the winning mad, actually the reveal was just this week. Oh, here the magazine. This

Leo Laporte (02:34:29):
Is what you're playing for. 70 Years's anniversary issue.

Johnny Jet (02:34:33):
Yeah. Oh, SOS. It's gonna, it has a lot of original material. It's gonna be the only mad that Barnes and noble is going to sell. Oh, this

Leo Laporte (02:34:42):
Is a must.

Johnny Jet (02:34:43):
Have they expect it will be a big deal.

Leo Laporte (02:34:45):
Is it gonna be printed on fancy paper and bound?

Johnny Jet (02:34:49):
No, just irre slick stock.

Leo Laporte (02:34:54):
70 years dumb. It's the 70th anniversary.

Johnny Jet (02:34:57):

Leo Laporte (02:34:57):
Can you believe that? Wow. Yeah. Mad magazine. Alfred D Newman has his teeth and a glass by the bed. <laugh>

Johnny Jet (02:35:04):
I love that. I thought the co was very funny, but the missing too. Yeah, it's great.

Leo Laporte (02:35:10):
And you have a new thing in here, but it's also, there's some tributes from weird Al and Jordan. Peter.

Johnny Jet (02:35:15):
Yes. Yes. I have never seen before. Photograph some real photographs from new year's Eve parties. Oh,

Leo Laporte (02:35:23):
I be a very funny, I can't issue. Can't wait, you really want this issue. I mean, if you don't win the game, of course you can always go and buy it, which you probably should. And let those folks at DC know there is an interest in mad magazine, please, please, please.

Johnny Jet (02:35:37):
Yeah. I'll get copies next week and you'll have yours by next Saturday.

Leo Laporte (02:35:40):
Oh, thank you. That's very kind all

Johnny Jet (02:35:42):
You guys. Yeah. No, no

Leo Laporte (02:35:43):
Problem. Thank you. And of course, if you'd like to win an autograph copy, go to GIW up. Is click the, what the heck is it? Button identify this thing, which is, I think a thi of some kindness. Sewing, a sewing. A equipage. Oh yeah, yeah. Oh, your finger in it. Yeah. Yeah. For darn socks. That's what this, that's what it is for darn

Johnny Jet (02:36:06):
Socks. Those Dawn socks. People,

Leo Laporte (02:36:08):
You don't see those anymore, but I'm an old guy. I remember the days of darning socks. If you identify correctly, you're in the drawing for six autograph copies of the 70th anniversary man magazine. But if you're clever and wrong, you're in a drawing for 12. You do the math cuz it's way, way beyond me. Dick also does a great podcast called the and joins us every week. You got me to spend 2196. Well done. Dickie D

Johnny Jet (02:36:39):
I think you'll have find it worth it.

Leo Laporte (02:36:41):
Have a great week. Thank

Johnny Jet (02:36:43):
You Dick. Okay, buddy. Bye. Bye.

Leo Laporte (02:36:44):
Thanks to you Mr. Mike, a Sargent for joining me this week. I tell you it's a lot hard to do this show by myself. <laugh> please come back again. Thanks to professor Laura, our musical director for finding an Abba song that nobody was sick of yet. It's very well done. Thanks to Kim Schaffer, your phone angel for coming in after staying up late at a rock and roll concert and still showing up on time. Thanks. Most of all, to all of you who listen and all of you who call, we really appreciate it. Thanks for joining us. We'll see you next time. Leo and Mikah, your tech guys have a great geek week byebye.

Leo Laporte (02:37:19):
Well, that's it for the tech guy show for today. Thank you so much for being here and don't forget twit T I T it stands for this week at tech and you find, including the podcasts for this show. We talk about windows on windows, weekly, Macintosh, a Mac break, weekly iPads, iPhones, apple watches on iOS, today's security and security. Now, I mean, I can go on and on. And of course the big show every Sunday afternoon, this week in tech, you'll find it and I'll be back next week with another great tech guys show. Thanks for joining me. We'll see you next time.

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