The Tech Guy Episode 1905 Transcript

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Leo Laporte (00:00:13):
Hi, this is Leo Laporte and this is my tech guy podcast. This show originally aired on the premier networks on Saturday, June 25th, 2022 episode 1,905. Enjoy. The Tech Guy podcast is brought to you by Cisco Meraki with employees working in different locations, providing a unified work experience seems as easy as hurting cats. How do you reign in so many moving parts? Well, the Meraki cloud managed network learn how your organization can make hybrid work work, visit And by Acronis. Keep your digital world safe from all threats. With the only cyber protection solution that delivers a unique integration of data protection and cybersecurity in one Acronis cyber protect home office. Formally Acronis true image. Go to Well, Hey, Hey. Hey, how are you today? Leo Laporte here. The tech guy, time to talk computers, the internet, home theater, digital photography, smart phones, smart watches, and everything else with a chip in it.

Leo Laporte / Mikah Sargent (00:01:28):
Mr. Mikah Sargent is also here. Hello my God. Hello Leo. Leport good to see you, my friend. Oh, good to see you too. That means I don't have to answer all these questions on my own. <Laugh> thank goodness. Phone number. If you wanna talk high tech with me and us with us is 88 88, ask Leo 8 8, 8 8 2 7 5 5 3 6, toll free from anywhere in the us or Canadian. Now, if you're not in Canadian or the United stereos, then you should, you should, well, there's left and there's right, right. So that gives you full sound, full spectrum. Spectrum sound. You can Skype out or something like that to call 88 88, ask Leo Italian SA the Italian something that's it. Yeah. Their, their privacy they're they're privacy. People SA have banned Google analytics. Do you know what Google analytics are? We use it on our website. I use it you know, I've been using it for years. Google analytics is a little, a bit of Java script that you put on your website that counts few visitors. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> in the old days, you're probably too young to remember this websites. <Laugh> no, maybe you were around, I don't know. Websites used to have a counter member. Yes. You'd have a little counter on your, on your geo city

Mikah Sargent (00:02:59):
Site. I had mine on my

Leo Laporte (00:03:00):
Zenga on your Zenga. It would've a little counter says it's 23 visitors. So Google analytics kind of goes beyond that, but it's using the same information. When you visit a website websites, like all servers have something called logs, which keep track of like the captain's log star date, 20 20, 20, 20, 20, 20. It keeps track of every visitor and in the log, it enters your IP address. That's, you know, that's the basic thing it can enter. And that's how you do account because if it's a new IP address, it's a new person. Of course browsers are reveal more than just the count these days. They also reveal, you know, your operating system, which browser you're using. The IP address can be used to geolocate you to show which country you're from and Google analytics records, all of this stuff. Well, the Italian essay, I gotta find the name of this. What this really stands for something in a beautiful Italian accent right. Does not allow, essay's not gonna allow GA because the website collects via cookies.

Mikah Sargent (00:04:23):
See they, they just hate cookies. They hate cookies and they don't get

Leo Laporte (00:04:26):
Cookies. Your cookie haters, and you know what? There's nothing wrong with cookies. You need cookies. Anyway, information on user interactions with the respective websites, visited pages and services on offer the multifarious. This is Italian. Wow. Translated into English. You could tell the multi fair. As I said today, that collected in his collection includes the user device IP address. Yes. Which by the way, and there's some debate over this, but the, the, the general data protection regulation in Europe, GDPR says that IP address is personally identifiable information like your IP address. That means I wow. Yeah. Which means every website collects personal identifica information because they have logs right now. What you can do is you can delete your logs periodically or immediately, but it's gonna be written down. It's gonna be recorded. So it's a little, I just think it's a little weird that they've decided that that's personally enough. It is, I guess, PII, but I don't know. I feel like, okay, fine. You're breaking the web, but

Mikah Sargent (00:05:29):
This is my confusion about it. Is isn't there a way in which collecting that data still falls within GDPR, because there are other ways that people are collecting. That's why we have those debates,

Leo Laporte (00:05:40):
Right? Yeah. And there's this debate over IP address, which is is that PII, in which case, should you, as a user in the, the European union, should you be able to write to a website and say, Hey, don't get rid of all that stuff about me, you collected. And I think the latest is they consider it PII personally identifiable information. It also collects, as I mentioned from the browser operating system screen resolution. So why would you want screen resolution? Well, if you're a website that might be germane as to how you draw the website, right?

Mikah Sargent (00:06:15):
Yeah. If you've got mostly people that are coming on a laptop versus a, a mobile device, and maybe you wanna make sure that the developers that you have on hand go towards

Leo Laporte (00:06:22):
Not unreasonable laptop. Yeah. Not unreasonable. And that's why analytics collects it. It could be used to create a fingerprint because if you get enough information, enough data points about a visitor, you could say, well, you know, Micah's screen resolution is always this, and he's always on this browser. And he is, and you add enough data points. I could say, well, that's, I'm pretty sure that's Micah mm-hmm <affirmative>. So that's part of the concern selected language. Well, of course you keep track of that.

Mikah Sargent (00:06:49):
Yeah. Because you want them to be able to go back to the same language, go to an

Leo Laporte (00:06:52):
Italian site and have it come up in Croation. Right. Date and time of page viewing. Yeah. Fine. So what this information was found to be transferred through the us of a, in determining that the processing was unlawful, the Italian SA say, go, dad reiterated that an IP address is a purse is personal data. There you go right there and would not be anonymized. Even if we're truncated, given Google's capabilities to enrich such data through the information, it holds

Mikah Sargent (00:07:22):
Google. So they're afraid of Google they're too. It sounds like. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:07:26):
They're afraid of Google.

Mikah Sargent (00:07:27):
They think if they have the first three digits of the IP, they're like, oh, they're gonna figure

Leo Laporte (00:07:31):
Out the right. They're gonna figure it out. And they, you know what, they're not wrong.

Mikah Sargent (00:07:33):
Yeah. Fair enough.

Leo Laporte (00:07:34):
They're not wrong. It's just that just like, when you drive down a highway, your license plate is visible. It is how it works. That's

Mikah Sargent (00:07:47):
Precisely. Right. That is how it works. It's how it works. How, how else are we gonna, I mean, what does the future of the internet look like? Unless

Leo Laporte (00:07:54):
Every time you go to a website, you want it to say, well, who are you? What's your login. What's a, but then it's collecting data

Mikah Sargent (00:08:00):
Again. Yeah. Yeah. And then is it stored at that point? That is oof. I don't know. It's a mess. It's a, it's a huge

Leo Laporte (00:08:07):
Mess. And those cookies, that cookie announcement is such a, a good example of how this is not working. Unfortunately look, I understand people's need to be private, especially lately. In fact, after yesterday's Supreme court decision, all the big tech companies are suddenly on alert. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> that they need to protect people's privacy. Why? Well there's all sorts of things that you could reveal that might make you subject to prosecution in a number of states in the United States. And you know why I don't have to tell you why. And so that is a big story. These days is is all of the tech companies are scrambling, cuz frankly they live on information New York times this is from last month Zain to F to Vicky. Who's who's great. She's a sociologist. We need to take back our privacy. This was after the leak of the Supreme court decision, which finally did come out yesterday over RO overturning Roe V. Wade. she said, look this surveillance made possible by minimally regulated, digital technologies could help law enforcement or even vigilantes track down, which is by the way, legal in Texas track down, you're allowed to go after a woman who seeks an abortion or even anyone who helps her women are urging one another delete phone apps like period trackers that it can indicate they're pregnant.

Leo Laporte (00:09:42):
This is so there's the tension right there. You've got the, the Italians. I understand saying, look, you can't use Google analytics on your webpage. It collects too much information and then sends it back to the USA. And you have privacy advocates by the way, Google and others are now addressing this as well. They know mm-hmm <affirmative> they know they are now kind of on the hook, us tech industry frets. This is from Reuters yesterday about handing data to states prosecuting abortion's very likely said a technology fellow at the Ford foundation, Cynthia KTI cook. They're going to be requests made to those tech companies for information related to search histories, to websites, visited law enforcement in those states where it is illegal are very likely gonna start subpoenaing, Google, Yahoo, Facebook saying, Hey, we wanna see those searches. So what a, this is a very interesting position. Now, these companies are in, they live on the data they collect, that's how they sell advertising. But now that data they collect can be weaponized against their users, users, not just Italy, but all over the world are saying, Hey, stop spying on us. This is a very challenging thing for the tech industry. This is, this is essentially undermining their business model,

Mikah Sargent (00:11:07):
Right? Yeah. And how, how do we strike a balance going forward where people's data is protected in these situations and it doesn't become an entire, you know, the, the whole page is just every time you have to go in and, and make your settings because nothing's being saved or

Leo Laporte (00:11:23):
Tracked. Right. Right. the Senate is looking at a major data privacy bill. And I think that there will now be the us Senate, be some pressure on them to move forward on if the Bill's been stalled for a long time, it was a privacy bill that would somewhat protect consumer privacy data. It's dead right now in the Senate because of various roadblocks. Some of which are coming from, for instance, the, the, the Senator from the state of Washington, Maria Cantwell, who represents Microsoft and and Amazon. And I'm sure both of them have come to her and say, you know what too much privacy's bad for business. We want some carve outs so that we can collect information about our customers and our users. Very true.

Mikah Sargent (00:12:19):
And me has been doing that for a long time across the, what is it?

Leo Laporte (00:12:21):
Is it, you know look, we have ad we're ad ad supported mm-hmm <affirmative>. My podcast, our podcast network is ad supported. Those advertisers don't know the people who buy the radio shows, for instance, don't know much, you know, there's ratings. They know kind of how many people roughly are listening. They don't know anything about them. They know their geographic location because a radio station serves a certain AR they call it ADI area of dominant influence and advertisers buy. That's why you, you know, you get the local car dealer and all the local, cuz they're buying that area, but that's all they know. They don't, when you turn on a radio, you're not announcing your age, right. Your sex, you know, the

Mikah Sargent (00:13:03):
Li tenant and broadcasting that from your vehicle

Leo Laporte (00:13:05):
And advertisers for years have done just fine with that. But now they want to turn your television into a spy device. Smart TVs have cameras on them. They have microphones, they're listening. They're trying to figure out who's listening for when. And if you go up and get a sandwich <laugh> so you're not seeing the ad. They wanna know that. And the more advertisers get that kind of data, the more they want it. And this is one of the reasons Google and Facebook are eating up the ad space, the digital line space, because they can tell an advertiser, everything they can say. Well, yeah, she's a 25 year old woman living in Northern California with an income of between 40 and $60,000 a year. She likes running shoes and she has no kids. They know that. Yeah. Cuz you give them that information. In the case of Facebook, case of Google, every time you search, you're telling them something and advertisers, once they get that, it's like crack. They can't get off of it. They haven't had it until now. It's not until digital technologies have they had that kind of best they would know is your zip code, which tells you a lot. But not everything about an individual. Now. They want it all

Leo Laporte (00:14:13):
Now. They want it all. It's a very, it's a challenging and I don't know what the answer is. You know? I think maybe the answer is to tell advertisers. No, you can't have it all.

Mikah Sargent (00:14:22):
Yeah. And that's kind of what we see a lot of people trying to do with the different ad blocking and ad tracking protections.

Leo Laporte (00:14:29):
My friend our friend, Cory, Dr. Row calls ad blocking the largest consumer boycot in history because so many people, something like 20 or 30% of all web users use ad blockers.

Mikah Sargent (00:14:40):
Wow. I didn't realize the number was big,

Leo Laporte (00:14:42):
Huge number. Wow. That's a big boycot that's people saying? No

Mikah Sargent (00:14:46):

Leo Laporte (00:14:46):
Won't. And you know what I have to say? I don't know. What's your experience when you turn off ad tracking, do the ads suddenly no longer work.

Mikah Sargent (00:14:54):
What do you mean? They mean they disappear. Oh, if I turn it, if I turn

Leo Laporte (00:14:57):
You block 'em you don't see 'em. But what if you say I don't, I don't wanna be tracked.

Mikah Sargent (00:15:01):
I mean there are still ads and they are maybe not as personalized, but 

Leo Laporte (00:15:06):
You know what? You know what ads work really well.

Mikah Sargent (00:15:08):
Instagram ads. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:15:10):
Yeah. And you know why? Yeah,

Mikah Sargent (00:15:11):
Because they know so much. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:15:12):
You can't block, you can't block tracking on Instagram. <Laugh> they know it all. It's Facebook.

Mikah Sargent (00:15:17):

Leo Laporte (00:15:19):
Eighty eight, eighty eight. Lios the phone number. We're gonna go to that. Phones in just a second, but first I have to tell you how to, oh, not yet. Oh, well it's all right. We'll come back in a moment. Leo Laporte Mica Sergeant your tech guy too. So that's Jeremiah where you would wait until I say 20% off with interactive monitoring. <Laugh> not the phone number. I guess they didn't tell you that. So I'm gonna have to do that add right when I come back, I guess. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, no, yes. It should have been before this break. It's the last thing I say in the first segment, look at the log. It's the L the simply safe with the L on it is is a live ad live read before the ad break. So that's why I was saying don't break until you hear me say 20% off with interactive monitoring, not the phone number. That's that's the old instruction. So next hour it'll be the, it'll be the same, but I'll do this simply safe ad. After after we get back only in the first two hours, they should have filled you in on this. I, I apologize.

Leo Laporte (00:16:47):
No, no, no. You didn't know. No one told you. I think I was trying to tell you, but I wasn't, obviously wasn't clear what I was talking. Wasn't obvious what I was talking about. <Laugh> Leo was saying something about interactive monitoring. I don't know when that comes. Yeah. Not the phone number now it's now that ad, but only in the first two hours of the show, the third hours, like it used to be

Leo Laporte (00:17:23):

Mikah Sargent (00:17:24):

Leo Laporte (00:17:25):

Mikah Sargent (00:17:33):
Oh, I know

Leo Laporte (00:17:34):
Why, what

Mikah Sargent (00:17:35):
Instacart is really bad about sharing information becomes, oh, I bet Instacart you order groceries there. And then you start seeing all of those groceries appear as suggestions on

Leo Laporte (00:17:48):
Amazon. Oh everywhere else. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's that one. I really it's very upsetting. Well, but what's the harm of that. Yeah. That's fair. That in and of itself is fine. If they're selling that data, that's where I would have an issue with it. But you're right. That in of itself is fine. Yeah. I mean, he likes Pringles. I know you don't <laugh> but yeah, but if you did, yeah. Then you see, I guess, coupons for Pringles everywhere else. Yeah. I, those coupons to me, that harm is di minimus. And, and I've always said that, but the problem is now see the harm to me only occurs when it's things like the government using it to chase you down. Yeah. And that's the problem is if this data now is subpoena by the government, which it is, okay, now we gotta rethink this because we're we're, you know, we could be, you see me looking over your shirt.

Leo Laporte (00:18:42):
I was worried that there were people messing, stealing my car or something. Yeah. No, you'd I I'd scream. That's why I park out the window. Ladies is a gentleman buzz. The girls, children of all ages. I give you the one and only Kim Schaffer. Our phone angel. Hello, Kim. Hello? Happy Saturday. Happy Saturday. The weekend. Is he? Eh? Eh, yeah. <Laugh> it's been a week. Yeah. Yeah. It's been a week. It's been a week. Seems to go by faster and faster than, I don't know. This one seemed a little slow. <Laugh> do well. You know what I'm noticing. There's a lot of daylight, awful lot of daylight, boy, it seems like there's so much daylight until almost 9:00 PM. 30 9:00 PM. Sun still on too much daylight. Okay. It's fireworks season. And that won't happen until after 9:00 PM because it's light out until not Petaluma. Won't you move?

Leo Laporte (00:19:31):
They're not even couldn. They canceled our fireworks. No, they canceled. During the, the pandemic, they took an opportunity to cancel Petaluma. The Sonoma county that we're in used to sell safe. So-Called safe. Insane, safe, insane fireworks. Yeah. What does that even mean? Well, the problem was it was charities that were selling them all over town. You, you probably noticed that maybe you didn't. I don't. No. You moved here after that ended. Yeah. Yeah. No. All over stands all over the place, selling those. And now they're doing almost like the gun buybacks there said turn in your fireworks. There is, there's a buyback at the fairgrounds. I was shocked when I read that the other day, it's gonna be pretty lonely in July of 2019. Yeah. You missed that. Jeriah turn off the music. You're gonna, you missed, you missed bring the band down behind me, boys. I thought that was you playing the whole time, Kim. Yeah. She's good on the guitar. Yeah. Who should I who should I talk to here? Let's go to Dave in Chicago. Okay. This should be an easy Chicago. Dave. Thank you, Kim. Hello, Chicago, Dave.

Caller 1 (00:20:26):
Hello, Leo. How are you doing well?

Leo Laporte (00:20:28):
We're doing great. What's up?

Caller 1 (00:20:30):
That's good. Hey, I've been listening to you for quite few years here and I took the plunge and got a personal domain name. Yay. And listened to your video there on ask Leo about setting those things up and oh, good. We kinda gave an overview. Oh, good. That was good. I did have a couple questions though. So when I did the domain name, I used my full name. So first name, middle initial, last Is there any privacy issues with that? So I've tried to be more creative.

Leo Laporte (00:21:06):
Well, now people know your full name. <Laugh> <laugh> right, right. I mean, I use, you know, I have Leo for instance, I don't use it, but I have it. I don't have, I mean, everybody knows my name. Right. I, you know, I, you can, so a lot of times businesses will use the business name, but yeah, no. The only privacy concern when you get a domain name is, and you probably noticed this when you signed up that you have to give them an administrative address, phone number, and email, and most people, you know, they're given out their home phone, their home address, their email address. So a lot of the people, the so-called registrar is a place where you buy those domain names will give you something called who is privacy. Sometimes you pay for it. Sometimes you don't just depends on the policy of the registrar. And what that does, is it obscures that information and gives a dummy address. They then if they want to email or contact you, they do it through the dummy address, which is then forwarded on to your real address. So only the register knows your real address.

Caller 1 (00:22:06):
Ah, okay. Does, does Hoover do that? Cause that's why you

Leo Laporte (00:22:09):
Hover does that automatically. That's the good news. Yeah. They're a sponsor. I happen to know that, cuz I not only are they a sponsor, that's where most of my domains are. Yeah. Hover does it automatically. So that's, that's the real privacy concern. I mean, you know, your, your name is out there anyway. It's just like going to the mall and driving to the, driving to the airport, they see your driver's you know, your license plate mean

Mikah Sargent (00:22:34):
You're signing up for a new service. You're probably putting in your name in there as well already.

Leo Laporte (00:22:38):
So you think who is, does not hide your name. I think your name is even seen in the, who is, it's just not the, I think so. Yeah. Address, phone number and privacy. So that's the big privacy concern. A lot of that's just for spaming spamers and stuff. Although, you know, I'm not gonna give, I don't wanna give out my home address. People come there, knock on the door, say, Hey, my Gmail's not working. Can you help?

Mikah Sargent (00:22:57):
<Laugh> my printer.

Leo Laporte (00:22:58):
My printer's not, oh God, that would be the worst nightmare. Leo Laport, the tech guy, Scott Wilkinson home theater guru coming up

Leo Laporte (00:23:15):
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Leo Laporte (00:24:15):
And here's the other part. Yeah. It's great for employees. Great for, for, you know, flexibility. But it also is important that it be security of focus, right? Because you've got now employees off Preem and you wanna be able to proactively protect your network. An ID G market pulse research report conducted for Iraqi highlights, the top tier opportunities in supporting hybrid work. First of all, it's really interesting to see this hybrid work is a priority for 78% of C-suite executives. They understand, we understand cause I guess I'm, I'm an executive. We wanna drive collaboration forward. I, I understand our employees very much wanna be hybrid. We, but we, same time. We gotta stay on top of productivity obviously and security as well. And those are some challenges of hybrid work. The IDG report raises the red flag about security, particularly noting that 48% of leaders report cyber security threats as a primary obstacle to improving workforce experiences, always on security monitoring.

Leo Laporte (00:25:17):
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Leo Laporte (00:26:14):
As all these devices go out the door, integrating devices and systems allows it to manage update and troubleshoot company owned devices, even when the device and the employer are in. I dunno, Barbados <laugh>, which is where I'm going. Wish I were turn any space into a place of productivity, empower your organization with the same exceptional experience, no matter where they work with Meraki and the Cisco suite of technology. Learn how your organization can make hybrid work work, visit me R AKI, We thank 'em so much for supporting the tech guy show. And if you're interested, please go there, but use that address so that you, they know you saw it here. We want credit Mera, Mer Meraki M E R a K, C I S C w I T. Thank you, Meraki. And now back to the show, what is hip Scott Wilkinson? Our home theater geek is hip. He is an expert in small flat, wide curved and other kinds of screens. He's also an expert in surround sound and does a podcast for the AVS forum at forum. Good day, Scotty. How are you?

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:37):
Hello, Leo. Doing good. Hey Micah. Hello,

Leo Laporte (00:27:40):
Scott. Welcome. Good to,

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:42):
Good to be with both of you. First of all, I wanna say that my next, the next episode of my podcast is coming up on Tuesday, live streaming at 1:00 PM, Pacific 4:00 PM. Eastern on forum. My guest will be fellow by the name of Chuck back. Who's the managing director of Trov makers of very fine high end home theater processors. And we're gonna be talking about spatial audio and room correction, correcting room acoustic anomalies electronically. So that's gonna be a really interesting conversation. Chuck's a good friend of mine been been for many years, very smart fellow. So I encourage people to, you

Leo Laporte (00:28:29):
Know, how I correct the audio in my room. I turn it up louder. <Laugh> it works. It works

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:38):
Well. You know, that does flat flatten out the Fletcher Munson curve. There

Leo Laporte (00:28:42):
You go. That's what I tell my wife, honey, I'm flattening out the Fletcher Munson curve and she says, I can't over this. So yes. Thank you. That'll be good episode. I'll look forward to that.

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:57):
I think so. I think so. Anyway mostly I wanted to talk today about a listener question I got from Ross Craig who wrote and said that he wants a Dak, a digital to audio digital, to analog converter for his apple products. And the first question you might might ask is, well, why apple products have a Dak built in don't they? Yes, they do. They

Leo Laporte (00:29:25):
Have to, otherwise you wouldn't be able to use your headphones. You

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:27):
Wouldn't be able to hear anything. Yeah

Leo Laporte (00:29:29):
<Laugh> yeah. So the D though on AirPods I think is built into the AirPods, the D in you know, the, any wireless device is built into the device. So you're not using the D built into the phone or the correct or the laptop. Correct. But if he wanted to wire in some headphones to your laptop or your phone,

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:48):
Right. And the reason he wants it is he wants to listen to high resolution audio mm. On apple music or, or other services that provide high resolution audio. And for that, you really need a D that can do that. And the, I, I don't remember what the specs are in the iPhone.

Mikah Sargent (00:30:08):
They in fact iPhone. Yeah. Will tell you if you wanna listen to this a true lossless blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You need to plug in a D so it'll even go as far as really, it says that yeah. It actually pops up and says that, oh,

Leo Laporte (00:30:18):

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:19):
Interesting. Wow. Okay. I didn't know that, but cause

Leo Laporte (00:30:21):
I always thought apple devices had pretty good digital to analog converters. Maybe not as good as the thousand dollars

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:28):
Variety. Well, but you don't have, you know, you don't, you don't have to spend a thousand dollars. I I've done a lot of reviews of DS and with the iPhone in particular. And I, I do hear an improvement in quality when I attach an outboard deck. Now it's an extra little device that you have to plug into the phone and makes it a little less convenient. Yeah. But if you, if you're concerned, mostly about quality, which I am, and apparently Ross is too, then you do want an outboard deck. Now at first he said, I wasn't sure if I wanted it for a 5.1 system or just stereo. And I went, oh man, a 5.1 high resolution deck that's thousands or tens of really thousands of dollars, you know? Wow.

Leo Laporte (00:31:10):
That's the kind of thing that you're gonna, that you were talking about these these processor,

Scott Wilkinson (00:31:16):
Right? Correct. The tri off processor would be an example of that. Yeah. And you know, you're, you're talking about at least 18 grand for that. So, you know sure. If you got unlimited funds, go for it, but

Leo Laporte (00:31:30):
Here's the iPhone saying external hardware suggested I am shocked that it actually says that

Scott Wilkinson (00:31:36):
I, I kind of am too. I don't don't think I ever remember seeing that

Leo Laporte (00:31:39):
Continue in high risk. Lossless you'll need an external digital to analog converter. Wow. Mm-hmm <affirmative> mm-hmm <affirmative> wow. That's for wifi. And wireless looks like streaming.

Mikah Sargent (00:31:50):
Yeah. Yeah. So that basically in the music settings, you can choose how you want your music to stream

Leo Laporte (00:31:55):
High quality lossless or high res

Mikah Sargent (00:31:58):
Losses. And I have mindsets of lossless, which is fine. But if you want high res losses, which it says ALAC, I can barely read it from

Leo Laporte (00:32:03):
Here. A, a AALAC, which is apple losses,

Scott Wilkinson (00:32:06):
Apple losses,

Leo Laporte (00:32:07):
Audio Kodak,

Scott Wilkinson (00:32:08):
Kodak, right.

Leo Laporte (00:32:09):
To 20 go deck. Right. So 24 bit, 192 kilohertz, which is that high, high bit rate, high res

Scott Wilkinson (00:32:16):
High bit rate and high stuff, high, high bit depth and high sample rate.

Leo Laporte (00:32:20):
Right. Right.

Scott Wilkinson (00:32:21):
Exactly. So it's a lot cheap. It's a lot. You can go a lot cheaper than that. Now, Leo, you and I have both had experience with my favorite deck. Yes. Which is called the hip D

Leo Laporte (00:32:32):
Love the hip D love hip so much. I have two of them <laugh> so when the battery dies on one, I I'm always charging one and I can listen on the

Scott Wilkinson (00:32:39):
Other, right. Exactly. It's from a company called hip D I dash DAC from a company called IFI. I F I it's it's to be specific lowercase. I uppercase F <laugh> lowercase. I <laugh>, it's a British company. The hip D is 150 bucks and it goes, I, I just, I just looked up an article here on end gadget that has kind of the best DS and the IFI hip D 150 bucks goes up to 32 bit 384 kilohertz of sample rate, which is there, there isn't very much at that super high rate. The highest rate typically that you, that you get is 192. So this is well within that. It's got a battery, as Leo said, so it doesn't draw power from the iPhone, which I think is important. You do need a what's called an apple. Is it called a camera converter, a camera kit, a kit

Leo Laporte (00:33:44):
That has a, it's called a, yeah. It's not a kit though. It's just a cable.

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:47):
It's not, it's just a cable. Yeah. That, that has a lightning on one end and a USB.

Leo Laporte (00:33:54):
Yeah. A type, a,

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:56):
A type a on the other side that plugs into the, into the hip deck. Right. but it's, it's solidly built really high quality sound. It's just, it's just wonderful. Now in this in this and gadget article, you can get even higher resolution than that with the fi O F I, I O Q3, which is also 150 bucks.

Leo Laporte (00:34:20):
I've bought a lot of fi O devices over the years. And I think, have

Scott Wilkinson (00:34:23):
You, I never, I've never actually tried one. Yeah, no, yeah. That's one I

Leo Laporte (00:34:27):
Have, yeah,

Scott Wilkinson (00:34:28):
There you go. It goes up to 768 killers.

Leo Laporte (00:34:32):
That's silly. That's

Scott Wilkinson (00:34:34):
Silly is silly. Your ears. Can't

Leo Laporte (00:34:35):
Right. No, even

Scott Wilkinson (00:34:36):
In a, a brand new baby, <laugh> even a brand new baby,

Leo Laporte (00:34:40):
According to the Fletcher, MUN and VUS theorem. <Laugh>

Scott Wilkinson (00:34:46):

Leo Laporte (00:34:47):
Youre probably actually overdoing it. If you're going anywhere past 24 bit 90, 96

Scott Wilkinson (00:34:54):

Leo Laporte (00:34:54):
96 kilohertz that's, you're not, that's twice the re twice the resolution of what you can hear. And the VUS the is that's all you need any more than that. Bits are wasted. In fact, there's some argument that introduces harmonic distortions and things. It might, it might make

Scott Wilkinson (00:35:08):
It worse. Yes. There is some, there is some argument there, but on the other hand, there's also argument that even ultrasonic frequencies can be perceivable,

Leo Laporte (00:35:18):
Emotionally perceivable.

Scott Wilkinson (00:35:20):
Well, yeah, emotionally conceivable, but yeah, subconsciously there's even one theory that says, if they impact on your skin, you'll, you'll hear them. But of course, that doesn't matter in headphones. Nobody

Leo Laporte (00:35:31):
Argues that there's nothing better than live music. That's sitting in amongst the performance, the musicians, which you get to do Scott, cuz you're a musician is the most accurate and the most emotional and feels the best. But there, no, we can no longer sit amongst the musicians with its with the Beatles or with the lead Zeppelin or miles Davis. There are many, many artists that recordings are the only way we can hear 'em

Scott Wilkinson (00:35:55):
Correct. Correct. Now, one thing we're gonna talk about on the show on my podcast on Tuesday is spatially mixed recordings. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> so you can, in fact, in those cases sit amongst

Leo Laporte (00:36:09):
The, that would be nice. That would be nice. Yeah. What?

Scott Wilkinson (00:36:12):

Leo Laporte (00:36:13):
88 88. Ask Leo. Thank you, Scott. We're gonna go back to the phones in a bit. If you want to see Scott's podcast, forum. Thank you, Scotty.

Scott Wilkinson (00:36:23):
You bet.

Leo Laporte (00:36:33):
Yeah. This is my new vocal warmup.

Scott Wilkinson (00:36:38):
<Laugh> you learned something from Joanna.

Leo Laporte (00:36:42):
Hold on a sec. All right. So all yes I did. In fact, tell her I'm gonna be calling her for my, my, my second appointment after I get back, but all yours now for three minutes and whatever

Scott Wilkinson (00:36:52):
Seconds. Yep. No problem. So Hey everybody so nice to see you all. Actually I don't see you, but I see you here in the chat room beat master says, I understand getting good da good Dak for desktop laptop usage, but for a phone, it seems like the law of diminishing returns will strike will the phone you're on the go and many outside factors prevent a true audio file experience in my humble opinion. Well, it depends on your environment. The phone, I believe I'm pretty sure is capable of transmitting digitally high resolution audio. Now whether it's limited to 24 bit 96 or 32, 1 92 or something even higher that I'd have to do some research on. I don't actually know, but sure. If you're on the go, if you're out on, on a walk or in your car, which you wouldn't wanna be listening to headphones anyway the environment plays a huge part.

Scott Wilkinson (00:37:53):
And so if you're in a noisy environment, it's not gonna make any difference. You're you're not gonna hear the subtle difference between high res and what, what we often call CD quality or even worse, compressed, highly compressed music like MP3. If you're in a noisy environment, I just listen to MP3, cuz it doesn't matter if I'm out on a walk and I'm listening to music on my phone, I don't bring the Dak with me cuz it doesn't matter. There's birds and cars going by and lawn mowers and what have you. So you know, it doesn't matter, but if you're in a quiet room and you're listening on your phone, you know, maybe you're not at your desk where you have your where you have your, you know, in a D that's for desktop. And in which case a portable D is, is a really good thing.

Scott Wilkinson (00:38:48):
Speaking to which I didn't mention this in my segment, but I wanted to point out that in this Engadget article about the best DS they do mention one that's specific four desktops. And since you bring it up, I'll bring it up here, which is the focus, right? Scarlet two I two. And I have one of these, it's actually a a USB audio interface which by definition would have a D in it. And it goes up to 24 bit, 1 92, which is perfectly fine. And it's a beautiful device. It really works well, solidly built excellent quality focus, right. Which is F O C U S R I T E as long been in the professional audio business and getting one of these it's 160 bucks. So it's about the same price as the hip D and the fi Q3 they're.

Scott Wilkinson (00:39:47):
Those are both 150 bucks. So we're certainly in the same ballpark. But if you want something specifically for the desktop and especially if you want an input device that has an ad C an analog to digital converter. So if you're a recording artist, or even if you're, even if you're just on the phone doing, doing zoom chats with people plugging in a nice microphone into this device is, is a big improvement over what you know, just using the microphone, built into the computer. So this device goes both ways. The other ones, the hip D the fi Q3, others, like them only go in one direction. You're their only output. This is output and input and it works beautifully.

Leo Laporte (00:40:40):
Scott, you wanna stick around for the top?

Scott Wilkinson (00:40:42):
Happy to

Leo Laporte (00:40:43):
What goes up. Must go down little blood, sweat and tears. Leo Laporte Mike Sergeant, your tech guy too. Ben in Louisville, Kentucky. I like saying that Louisville. Hello Ben.

Caller 2 (00:41:02):
Hey Leo.

Leo Laporte (00:41:03):

Caller 2 (00:41:05):
How are you today?

Leo Laporte (00:41:06):
I am very well. What can I do for you today?

Caller 2 (00:41:10):
Oh, it's a kind of a complicated effect story.

Leo Laporte (00:41:13):
<Laugh> okay.

Caller 2 (00:41:14):
Well, well, I want to get an apple watch for my birthday on July 16th. I'm happy birthday

Leo Laporte (00:41:19):
One. Yeah. You deserve an apple.

Caller 2 (00:41:21):
Thank you, my friend.

Leo Laporte (00:41:22):
Yes. Yes.

Caller 2 (00:41:23):
Well, here's the thing. My family comes from a very good money background. However, my dad retired a couple years ago and we're looking at getting kind of a cheapo one because you know, I don't wanna go out and spend thousands of dollars on an apple watching. Well,

Leo Laporte (00:41:40):
Good news is they, they don't even make, they used to make one that cost $10,000. They didn't even make expensive ones, really, really expensive ones anymore. I think the top one is $500.

Caller 2 (00:41:50):
Well, I was just wanting, you know, cause here's the thing I have autism, you know, and I want to get something that will keep a good track of my health and things like that. Cause you know, I have a real problem. I have a real problem with sticking with my workout routine and stuff like that. And also I don't like carrying my phone around in my pocket cuz I have a 12 pro iPhone and that thing just has a really hard time staying in my pocket and whatnot. So I felt, you know, I wanna get the cellular version of the apple watch, which I know is a bit more costly. But anyway, so I was wanting to ask your advice and maybe Mike as well, cause I know your resident tech in apple and I was wanting to see what you guys think as far as me getting this for my birthday. And of course use the student discount to the apple store and whatnot. But the point is I want to know which version of the apple watch you guys would recommend for me. And that kinda a thing.

Mikah Sargent (00:42:42):
If you wanna save money, but you want to get an apple watch that's cellular. Then my suggestion for you is to go with the aluminum version of the apple watch. You get the most recent series we're on series seven now. And the reason I suggest that is I have had an aluminum apple watch since the beginning, since the series zero apple watch. And I've never had problems with it. It doesn't dent. There's nothing there that you have to worry about. You know, if you're trying to be bougie and step it up, then the stainless steel model is fine, but

Leo Laporte (00:43:14):
I'm bougie <laugh> yeah, I actually bought the titanium one. The, yeah, don't be bougie.

Caller 2 (00:43:20):

Leo Laporte (00:43:20):
Don't it's silly. It's actually for anybody money or not, it's silly to buy anything, but the aluminum, because it's the same guts. Yep. Now what about the se though you can get the se with cellular that would save him even more money. It

Mikah Sargent (00:43:33):
Would. My concern there is that if you really are trying to do this exercise tracking this health tracking, you're not going to get the same on that model that you will with the series seven, the series seven has the most up to date. What's

Leo Laporte (00:43:46):
New in

Mikah Sargent (00:43:47):
Seven. So the, the sensors that are tracking your heart rate are upgraded. And so those are better at being able to track your heart rate and your oxygen saturation, those kinds of things. And then the the, the different sensors inside that are all combined to measure your movement are updated as well. So there are some metrics that you won't get on the se

Leo Laporte (00:44:10):
The se is the three, I think. Yeah, it's the three that gives you some idea that, you know, it's four generations ago. That's how comes four

Caller 2 (00:44:19):
Generations old? Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:44:20):
Yeah. It's 3 29. And if he's getting the cellular with the seven now you're, you're getting close to I wanna say 4 99. I mean, it, it does go up a lot.

Caller 2 (00:44:33):
4 99 roughly. Yeah. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:44:35):
Now how about band? Should he get? I would suggest if you're gonna work out a lot,

Caller 2 (00:44:40):
Have fairly large hands, cuz I'm one, I'm six foot seven tall.

Leo Laporte (00:44:44):
Oh, you're big. Well get the 40, get the 45 millimeter one. That's the large face and it's not, not gonna be too big for you. It's what I wear. And it's not gonna be too

Mikah Sargent (00:44:52):
Big for, I have a tiny wrist and it's what I wear and it's,

Leo Laporte (00:44:55):
But I would suggest that you not get a fancy band save money on the band. Agreed. And they offer, I think

Caller 2 (00:45:02):
I don't. I like to get the the rubber bands cuz good.

Leo Laporte (00:45:06):
So they have solo loops, which are really just rubber bands. They don't even have a buckle or anything, but you gotta get those sides just right. Otherwise they won't fit. They also have, I think

Caller 2 (00:45:17):
That would be very uncomfortable for

Leo Laporte (00:45:18):
Sure. Okay. Then get, get the regular sport band, but also look at the sport loop. That's a, basically a Velcro, a hook and loop design. Those are, we call those the sweat band, the sweat pants of watch bands. They're comfortable, very comfy and

Mikah Sargent (00:45:32):
Breathable. I

Caller 2 (00:45:33):
Do sweat really easily.

Leo Laporte (00:45:34):
Yeah. And, and they're washable. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> so you can run them through the washing machine. If they get sweaty, you'll probably get another one.

Caller 2 (00:45:41):
Yeah. That's always good

Leo Laporte (00:45:43):
As a

Caller 2 (00:45:43):
Backup watch itself. Cause I don't want damage.

Mikah Sargent (00:45:44):
No, no, no, no. You just don't

Leo Laporte (00:45:46):
Wash the watch.

Mikah Sargent (00:45:47):
You get like a little zipper delicates bag is what it's called. You put all your watch bands inside of it. Zip on that's smart and the washer. And

Leo Laporte (00:45:53):
Of course the rubber bands you can just wipe off.

Mikah Sargent (00:45:55):
Yeah. Rubber bands. You

Leo Laporte (00:45:56):
Don't don't have to wash this. So yeah, I always put on, I always put on a rubber band when I'm gonna work out. Cause I don't wanna sweat into any of the other bands, the metal banks or the leather

Caller 2 (00:46:04):
Bands. Cool. Well, I'll let my dad know about this. All that you guys have said, and I don't know if you can like put this, how would I find all this information after this show up? I wanted to,

Mikah Sargent (00:46:14):
Well, you just had to tech guy There you will find links that we have I've I've pulled up a watch model. That was one that we were talking about. So you'll be able to see that and kind of cool. Customize it to exactly how you want it,

Caller 2 (00:46:28):
How I want it. Okay. Well thank you Mike. Thank you Leo. Anytime Leo. Also I wanna tell you, I watched some of your old shows from the past and I also watched your original iPhone launch premier.

Leo Laporte (00:46:43):
Oh, that was a

Caller 2 (00:46:44):
While ago.

Leo Laporte (00:46:44):
Oh, was that

Caller 2 (00:46:45):
Fun? Yes. Yes. I've been a loyal apple fan since. And I wanna thank you for keeping going and keep doing what you're doing. My friend.

Leo Laporte (00:46:53):
Oh, thank you, Ben. I really appreciate it. You keep listening and I'll be thinking about you in your nice watch on July. What was it? 19Th.

Caller 2 (00:47:02):

Leo Laporte (00:47:03):
16Th. Happy birthday.

Caller 2 (00:47:05):
All right. Well thank you later.

Leo Laporte (00:47:06):
All right, Ben, take care. That's a good birthday present.

Mikah Sargent (00:47:10):
Yeah, that's a really good one.

Leo Laporte (00:47:11):
Our son got his first job. He's 19 first job at Duley in and out hamburgers. Oh nice. And I, I, we got him and watched because he can't carry his phone. That's about probably like probably a good rule with the younger generation these days. Cuz they're, you know, these phones are so addictive,

Mikah Sargent (00:47:30):
Focused on eggs.

Leo Laporte (00:47:31):
Could see he, you know, they'd be standing there going, did you want a burger? What? no, hold on a second. I have to Insta this. And so they don't let him have phones, but, but we thought, well, if we get the cellular watch with cellular he'll I mean he could just say, well, I need to know what time it is. So I'm not late for my shift, but he can also kind of keep up without absolutely. You know, being distracted.

Mikah Sargent (00:47:51):
Yeah. It's not as easy to interact. Exactly.

Leo Laporte (00:47:53):
And we can call him every five minutes to see how he is doing first job, you know, Leo and Micah, your tech guys more to come after this poor Michael. So embarrassed by his dad. It's just like, I'm so proud of him. All right, Scotty, your turn now. Hello?

Speaker 7 (00:48:19):
Whoa. Hello everybody. Oh, you know, you need, you need some hand sanitizer just spray this in your mouth and it clear, wait a minute wrong one. There you go.

Scott Wilkinson (00:48:31):
Actually. yeah. I found something at at NA one year that that really is, Joanna's quite interested in it's called a vocal mist.

Leo Laporte (00:48:42):
Oh, I need it. She recommended that to me. Oh, it's actually couldn't mention that to me. I,

Mikah Sargent (00:48:46):
Well, I just, I just had a session with her and she recommended it to me and I'm definitely looking at getting one of those vocal really

Leo Laporte (00:48:51):
Missed. What

Scott Wilkinson (00:48:52):
Does it do? Yeah. Yeah. It's a nebulizer that actually oh puts moisturizes your vocal chords directly.

Leo Laporte (00:49:00):
<Laugh> do you have to put a cube down your throat? No,

Scott Wilkinson (00:49:03):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

Leo Laporte (00:49:05):
No, no, no, no, no, no.

Scott Wilkinson (00:49:07):
<Laugh>, it's a thing. You, you, that, that puts out a fine, fine water vapor that you breathe in.

Mikah Sargent (00:49:15):
It's kinda like a mini humidifier, but it

Scott Wilkinson (00:49:17):
Uses it's like a mini humidifier, but

Mikah Sargent (00:49:18):
Targeted a saline solution. Yeah, yeah,

Scott Wilkinson (00:49:21):
Yeah. It's it's it's very good.

Leo Laporte (00:49:25):
Let me know how you like it. Micah.

Mikah Sargent (00:49:27):

Leo Laporte (00:49:27):
Will do that. My vocal

Mikah Sargent (00:49:31):

Scott Wilkinson (00:49:32):
There you go. That's it. Cause we've,

Mikah Sargent (00:49:36):
We've determined that that's actually one of the, the, well, that is pretty much the one issue for me is that right in the back of my throat, it gets dry. Right. Where my vocal cords sort of meet the back of my throat. And so we're looking at different ways to help with that. Cause my mouth doesn't get dry all that much, but that area does.

Scott Wilkinson (00:49:54):

Mikah Sargent (00:49:55):
So this could be helpful with that. My little brother had gonna be a nebulizer for breathing issues when he was a kid. Oh, so this

Leo Laporte (00:50:01):
Had like a big one. This is like a spritzer

Mikah Sargent (00:50:02):
Or no, so it it's active, huh? Yeah. It's like a little Mister,

Scott Wilkinson (00:50:07):
A little Mister that you, that has. I think, I think it has

Leo Laporte (00:50:10):
A, that's what they call Michael

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Scott Wilkinson (00:50:16):

Mikah Sargent (00:50:17):
Even warm it too. So it's like a warm saline solution. Oh, this

Leo Laporte (00:50:20):
Looks kind

Mikah Sargent (00:50:20):
Of cool. Perfect for your VO

Leo Laporte (00:50:22):
Loop. Oh, this looks really cool.

Mikah Sargent (00:50:24):
It's a little pricey. It's good. So I'm more just balling it now, but

Leo Laporte (00:50:28):
It's like a little precious. Excuse me. I have to go spend some time with my vocal. Mister, what does your vocal Mister do? You wouldn't wanna know? <Laugh> wow. You have to put it over your face.

Mikah Sargent (00:50:38):
Well, you can do it two different ways. You can just have it in front of your face and just kind of breathe in or you can get one of those masks. If

Leo Laporte (00:50:45):
I lived in Vegas, I'd have this for

Scott Wilkinson (00:50:47):
Shoes. Yes.

Mikah Sargent (00:50:48):
Yes. I, I think that my voice has taken time to adjust because I come from Missouri where humidity is the standard still

Leo Laporte (00:50:55):
70 or 80% here, but it's not like, well maybe it's not 70 or 80, but it's yeah. We're a little dryer. Yeah,

Mikah Sargent (00:51:00):

Scott Wilkinson (00:51:00):
Dry. Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:51:02):
Vocal MIS putable nebulizer. Oh this 108 bucks. Isn't the worst.

Mikah Sargent (00:51:08):
No, not for something that

Leo Laporte (00:51:10):
I was thinking 500 bucks.

Mikah Sargent (00:51:11):
Your money maker, especially.

Scott Wilkinson (00:51:14):
Yeah, if you, if you guys your money maker,

Leo Laporte (00:51:16):
It's my money maker.

Scott Wilkinson (00:51:17):

Mikah Sargent (00:51:21):
All Scotty. It's all yours.

Scott Wilkinson (00:51:24):
Thank you. So I twisted Mister there's literally smoke coming outta my ears right now. I got blisters on my fingers junk

Scott Wilkinson (00:51:37):
<Laugh> area. I think the vape pens use the same tech. No, I don't think so. Redacted let's talk TVs. Sure. What do you wanna talk about? Tvs are always a good subject. I suspect once we get a house we're, we're, we're going out right after this to to do more house hunting still haven't found the one yet. Sorry to say. But when we do, I'm probably gonna treat myself to a new TV. I've had my Sony O led for several years now and it's still working. Great. Don't get me wrong. It's wonderfully. Well, I love the look of it. But you know, technology moves on not that O led technology has gotten that much different. It's still what it is. I might very well get a Samsung QD O led. I'm waiting to hear, to see a couple more reviews on that, but assuming that it pans out as it has initially then that, that may very well be the one.

Scott Wilkinson (00:52:46):
If I can fit one, I'm gonna get a 77 inch. And I don't remember if Samsung makes a 77 or 75 QD outlet. It might only be 55 and 65. I'm not a hundred percent sure of that. Phoenix warp one, any tips for a deep, very white level voice, baby? No I don't. I don't have a, a very white voice and that is more or less genetic. I think if you push your voice down too far my wife will certainly scold you because you want to, you want to be in the range where you're naturally at. And if you push down too far, you can do some damage. A lot of women do that in professional, you know, voice using women. They, they try to sound low and sexy but they damage their voice as a result. So she is not, not a big fan of that. A beat master, why not a Sony Q QD led at least you get Doby vision, you know, you're exactly right. I had forgotten about that, but you're exactly right. And so that may very well be the one to get and whether or not they make a 75 inch, maybe they do. I don't know. Probably not. Probably both companies in this first generation are making the same sizes because that's what the panel manufacturer is making. And, but you're exactly right. I do want Doby vision and Samsung, doesn't give it to you.

Scott Wilkinson (00:54:21):
My Michael says how do you get rid of your old Sony? Will you sell it or donate it? That's a good question. I'll probably donate it. That's probably what I'll do some, some worthy charity around here could, could use a new TV. Well, it's not new, new to them. Oh, twisted, Mr. Did I ever look into the Sony QD O led color tracking scandal? No, I forgot about that. And you've reminded me and thank you. Yeah, I'm gonna look at that. It reminds me very much of the Volkswagen diesel scandal where it works fine under test conditions, but in the real world, it, it freaks out UJA exactly the Sony Q D O led a 95 K so that, that may very well be Keith Keith five 12 says LGC two. Yes. If I were gonna get a regular O lead, that's what I would get an LGC 2 77 inch redacted says I want a Mariah carry range. She used to have a super high range and an amazing what's called whistle register. She could, she could sing up in the whistling range of things. I'm not sure she can do that anymore. Cuz she ate the spring chicken. She used to be

Scott Wilkinson (00:55:51):
Mac bookie verifies that the Samsung QOLA only comes in 55 and 65. I'll bet you the Sony. That's true for the Sony as well. Z, Z, Z, Z, Z says the Sony only has two H D I 2.1 inputs. Well, yeah, yeah. That's maybe limited, but that's enough for me cuz I'm switching somewhere else. I only have one cable going to the TV

Scott Wilkinson (00:56:19):
And beat master you're exactly correct. Selling old TVs is near impossible because they, they don't cost anything. They, I mean they're so the prices are so low, especially several years old. Like this one is I had a couple of old, old review TVs when we moved out of LA and I just gave 'em away. I gave 'em to neighbors cuz there wasn't, there was no point. It was much too much hassle to to sell them. And it, I would've give, gotten so little. Anyway, <laugh> I was on a, still waiting for Panasonic tube TV from 1989 to die. That's hilarious. Hey man

Leo Laporte (00:57:04):
Could do what I did with the old computer at the radio station. I made it die.

Scott Wilkinson (00:57:09):
Oh yeah. Did you blow it up?

Leo Laporte (00:57:11):
I just, it stopped working one day. <Laugh>

Scott Wilkinson (00:57:17):

Leo Laporte (00:57:17):
No why? But it stopped working. All right, Scott, give our regards to your lovely wife.

Scott Wilkinson (00:57:24):
I shall. And

Leo Laporte (00:57:25):
We will see you next week.

Scott Wilkinson (00:57:26):
See you next week.

Leo Laporte (00:57:27):
All right. Thank you, sir. Have fun. Bye bye.

Leo Laporte (00:57:32):
Oh, oh, oh. Before we go on with the Tech Guy show, can I tell you about Acronis? We've talked about Acronis and the Tech Guy for years, they made, still make the best disc imaging product. I think out there Acronis true image. Well, they've realized something and I think this is actually a great insight when you're using an Acronis true image. I, one of the things I like about it is very quickly, you get a whole image of everything on your drive that you can restore in minutes. So it's a very good way of, you know, saving your drive state completely, but they realize something which I I've been asked about before, which is well, yeah, but if I have malware on there, am I not backing that up? And that is, yes, you are. So you're restoring what it whatever's on your drive.

Leo Laporte (00:58:15):
So Kros realized that they created a new product, Acronis cyber protect home office that solves this problem formerly Acronis true image. So you've get all that benefit of, you know, Acronis backing up the images, it all the nice features of that, but it also has malware scanning. So before you image your drive, you can make sure that it's clean, which I think is brilliant. Stop any cyber attack from damaging your data applications or systems. So it works as an antivirus wheel to block attacks in real time, which you also can find any hidden infections lurking on your system with very powerful, flexible, antivirus scans. So that's why you need both. I am a big fan of Acronis cyber protect home office. I've always used. Acronis true image. I think they're very smart to build in this cyber protection. In addition, it's windows, Mac, Android, and iOS.

Leo Laporte (00:59:12):
You can back up whatever you want. You don't have to back up the whole system. Although, you know, that's one of the main reasons you would use this. You can also restore a whole system in minutes or individual files. So it's, it is good. It is a real backup. And you have your choice of storing that image on prem locally. Next to you. I would do that. Or in Theros cloud, I would do that too. So it gives you yes, you know, offsite as well as local backup. It's really a great solution. And they've added a feature that I think everybody uses Microsoft 365 will love direct cloud to cloud backups of your Microsoft 365 account. So that's your outlook. Yes. All of your OneDrive because yeah, sure. You put stuff on one drive, but if anything happens to that, you need a backup of that too.

Leo Laporte (00:59:59):
So this does, this is great. It, and you don't have to download it and upload it. It does it directly cloud to cloud very easy management because it's all in one. So it's a, you know, simple way to do this. You eliminate the, the problem of multiple incompatible solutions of course less cost, but less complexity. Everything is managed to a simple, intuitive interface. And I also think you'll really appreciate how easy it is to set up Acronis, cyber protect home office. It's simple two click set up easy set and forget options. And you want that because you don't wanna be fussing with your backup and your malware protection all the time. You wanna just say, look, let me know if there's a problem you take care of it. Acronis really is the king of the hill on, on imaging. And I'm really glad to see that they've bundled it now with a way of making sure your image is clean.

Leo Laporte (01:00:48):
Rest assured your entire digital world is protected with integrated protection, Acronis cyber protect home office, formally Acronis true image, more than just a backup, more than just an antivirus peace of mind is knowing your devices and backups are protected. Your data is safe, accessible, private, authentic, and secure. Keep your digital world safe from all threats with the only cyber protection solution that delivers a unique integration of data protection and cyber security in one. And I love the Acronis cloud two Acronis cyber protect home office, formerly Acronis, true image. Find out more, go to the website,, IGO dot a C R O N I guy. This is for years a product we've recommended Acronis Tru image solving that one little last piece, which is you don't want to back up malware making sure you've got a good image locally in the cloud. That's it just seems to me like a no brainer, Acronis cyber protect home office visit And now back to the tech guy program. Well, Hey, Hey. Hey, how are you today? Lao? Leport here. My Sergeant, your tech guys on the radio. 88 88 ask Leo and Micah is the phone number? Eight eight eight eight two seven five five three six five seven one nine three three four four two two mm-hmm <affirmative>. No, you don't have to do this. Last number is just 8 2 7 5 5 3 6 and the 8 8 8 area code 8 88 means it's toll free in the us or Canada outside that area. Just you Skype out and you should be able to reach us anything with tech, anything with a chip in it. It's all fair game. Think on the line from Las Vegas. Hello, dink.

Caller 3 (01:02:42):
Wow. Leo. I never thought in a hundred years I would ever call you

Leo Laporte (01:02:46):
Because I don't know if I should be, if I should be should be happy, honored about that. Yeah,

Caller 3 (01:02:51):
No, no, no. It's because I'm the dumbest person on the face of yours when it comes back. So I, I just have a hopefully quick question. I was kind of listening there while I was on hold about the conversations about televisions. We just moved from Los Angeles to Las Vegas. Finally are able to kind of have a home that isn't, you know hindered by the fact that we had kids all these years and we brought some TVs with us, but each one of them has something kind of uniquely wrong with them.

Leo Laporte (01:03:21):

Caller 3 (01:03:23):
<Laugh> we have a 55 inch. I don't know what it is. It's still in a wrapped up blanket that doesn't, it's not as smart as it needs to be anymore because it's older. Yeah. I have another smaller one that for some reason, anytime I'm watching anything on Netflix, it as though I've zoomed in and I'm watching people's nostrils and ILO

Leo Laporte (01:03:40):
<Laugh> wow. That's not good. That's a feature. Not above. I'm gonna make sure before you go farther, lemme make sure Scott doesn't leave the building. Scott, come back, Scott.

Scott Wilkinson (01:03:50):

Leo Laporte (01:03:50):
Still here. Oh good. Cause I think Scott might have something to say about this.

Caller 3 (01:03:54):
Well, the, the team I'm, I am ready to do what Scott said, which is to dip them away because I'm gonna have somebody come in and put mounts up and that kind of stuff. And they're the home we built. The bot has a built in like five speaker system. Don't even know if that works or not. And so I guess I'm just trying to get an idea of now, since I've been bought a television in forever, what, what I, what is this cutie I've never heard of this before? What is that? What can you help me with?

Leo Laporte (01:04:20):
So there is actually on ours technic, I just put out a very good explainer about all the different technologies that you can see L C D versus L E D versus mini L E D versus O L E D Q L E D Q L R D L E D. And all of, all of the above. So I'm gonna, where is that? That I'm gonna put a link in the show notes, but if it's it's at a website, that technology website it's quite good. RS Technica, a R S T E C H N I C, but we'll put a It's a good article that gives you the explainer. It's probably more than you need to know. So I'm gonna let Scott kind of summarize in in, in 10 words or, well, no, you're not that sure. I'll give you a hundred words. What should he be looking for today in a TV? Well,

Scott Wilkinson (01:05:13):
If, if, if you're looking to spend as little as possible,

Leo Laporte (01:05:17):
Well, wait a minute. Let's, let's find out.

Scott Wilkinson (01:05:19):
Let's find out what the budget is. What's

Leo Laporte (01:05:20):
The budget. That's a good question.

Caller 3 (01:05:23):
At thi at this point, the budget is my wife is go asking, why don't we have televisions on the walls yet we

Leo Laporte (01:05:28):
Call that <laugh> we call that S a that's another Ackerman to learn its spousal acceptance factor. In this case you have a high SAAF I believe. Yes.

Caller 3 (01:05:40):
Right. Okay. Okay.

Leo Laporte (01:05:43):
So if you're, if you're gonna spend $2,000, let's say, and we, and we also wanna say you should get a bigger TV than you think 55 is fine, but honestly, I if this is gonna be your main set, I would say, look at a 70 inch or more, right. Mm-Hmm

Scott Wilkinson (01:05:59):

Leo Laporte (01:06:00):
Yep. Okay. And I think you can get very good 70 inch TVs in the $2,000, roughly $2,000 range. Am I wrong, Scott?

Scott Wilkinson (01:06:08):
No, no, you're you're right. I don't, I'd have to do a little research to find exactly what

Leo Laporte (01:06:13):
We're talking about. The best TVs out there right now are O led or Q or QD led QD QD O led QD O led QD O LED's margin better, but it's gonna be more expensive. And then the next you're

Scott Wilkinson (01:06:28):
Not gonna, you're not gonna get a 70 inch O led for $2,000.

Leo Laporte (01:06:31):
Okay. Not even the LG C series or anything like that.

Scott Wilkinson (01:06:35):
No, no, no.

Leo Laporte (01:06:37):
Where should he go to buy these? I don't know. Vegas TV stores very well.

Scott Wilkinson (01:06:42):
Well, I don't either. Yeah. I generally tend to prefer to buy locally rather than TVs. That is rather than like from Amazon or whatever. Cuz if you do have a problem returning it a lot easier, it's much easier.

Leo Laporte (01:06:54):
Although I do buy my TVs on Amazon and if you buy S

Caller 3 (01:06:58):
I'm not an Amazon person.

Leo Laporte (01:06:59):
Okay, that's fine. No, there's probably a Magnolia in town.

Scott Wilkinson (01:07:02):
There is or a best buy there's undoubtedly a best buy. In fact, I know there is, I bought stuff there in Vegas,

Leo Laporte (01:07:08):
Right? Yeah. Yeah. So go to best buy. They'll have a lot of choices. Do not judge a TV by what you see on the show floor on the store floor. Those are set to be very bright, very dynamic, and they're not gonna properly reflect what you're gonna get.

Caller 3 (01:07:25):
I see.

Leo Laporte (01:07:26):
So, so know when you, before you go in there, know that you're gonna get, I would say, Scott, what about, what about a a L C D should he look at a mini L E D 

Scott Wilkinson (01:07:37):
LCD? I, I would, I think that's probably the best in this particular case, although I just looked up at best by the LG 77 inch C1, last year's O led is 2,600 bucks. So it's a little over the,

Leo Laporte (01:07:50):
That would be excellent. Now the only negative on that is they're not as bright as the LCDs. These are two D technologies. So if you can't, if you're, if you're gonna watch in the daytime and you can't draw the curtains, but most people are watching at night, at which case it's not gonna be an, an issue. We, you know,

Caller 3 (01:08:08):
Right. And what, what if we're in a situation where we, we got wifi hooked up to the house, but we did not get cable or dish or direct TV or anything like that. Our intention is to basically watch streaming stuff.

Leo Laporte (01:08:19):
You're very lucky though, because Vegas is really big on a TSC 3.0, which means that, what is that? The B yeah. Well, I don't blame lots of letters is what it is the means. The broadcast stations in Las Vegas are supporting a new standard, which can give it's called NextGen TV, which can give you 4k over the air. So you're, you might be looking,

Scott Wilkinson (01:08:43):
Although it's, I doubt it's 4k over the air. Yeah. They're not broad, most people you can. Yeah. But most broadcasters aren't. Yeah.

Caller 3 (01:08:51):
And do you have to have an antenna on your house

Leo Laporte (01:08:53):
Or you do? Yeah. Although again, you're not far because you're in Vegas, you're not far from the towers

Scott Wilkinson (01:08:58):
You could, and you could have an indoor antenna that's possible. That would possibly work as well.

Leo Laporte (01:09:03):
But I'll put, I'll put a link in the show notes also to an article about 4k or rather it T S C three rolling out in Vegas.

Caller 3 (01:09:12):
Yeah. You're gonna have to have a whole page just for ding, just

Leo Laporte (01:09:14):
For D this is D's page. No, but you're asking the questions. Everybody wants to know. So this is really appropriate right now. Well,

Scott Wilkinson (01:09:23):

Leo Laporte (01:09:24):
Disc it's gonna depend on budget, location, screen size, the room where the speakers are. Yeah. You you're in order to power those speakers, it presumably has some sort of receiver. The question is whether you'll be able to use it with a TV or not,

Scott Wilkinson (01:09:41):

Caller 3 (01:09:41):
It's an, I don't know.

Scott Wilkinson (01:09:43):
Yeah. You're gonna need to get a receiver to power those speakers and to pass the the HDM I, the, the video signal onto the TV. Another quick thing I wanna say is you're gonna get a smart TV, but Leo and I both agree it's better to have a separate streaming box, like an apple TV plus or Roku. Yeah. Because a, the TV's not gonna spy on you. You don't have to connect the TV to the internet and you have much greater upgrade ability and, and flexibility with a separate box. So, and that's only like a hundred bucks. So

Caller 3 (01:10:21):
Do you need one of those for each TV? Yes.

Scott Wilkinson (01:10:24):
Yes. Okay.

Leo Laporte (01:10:26):
Okay. How many TVs are you getting?

Caller 3 (01:10:28):
Well, we have a, a downstairs, you know, main room, which is where the largest one would go. Then we are finally going to put one although the S a F that you mentioned is not in favor of this put one in the bedroom as well. And since we weren't getting paying by the television for cable or whatever it was, I thought, oh, well, maybe we'll put one in the guest bedroom as well. You know, that kind of thing.

Leo Laporte (01:10:52):
Yeah. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. So the guests get the cheapest crappies TV, probably one of the old ones.

Caller 3 (01:10:57):

Leo Laporte (01:10:57):
I found that we end up watching TV most on our O led TV, wherever that is the 4k O led. That's gonna look the best. You always want 4k. You always want HDR, smart TV. You're gonna get whether you want it or not. Whether it's, whether it's good is another matter. You're probably still gonna want to get an external box. We gotta wrap it up. Anything else? We should, we should

Caller 3 (01:11:21):
Do no. Listen, guys. Thank you so much. I, again, my brother makes it living in it and it obviously skipped a generation somewhere.

Leo Laporte (01:11:30):
Dick, I used to go to college with a guy nickname dink. He was the great grandson of JP Morgan. Are you that dink?

Caller 3 (01:11:39):
No, I am not. <Laugh>. It is, it is my given name and it was my great grandfather. Ah, and it was the nickname of the midwife who delivered him. Aw.

Leo Laporte (01:11:49):
That's that's sweet. That's very

Caller 3 (01:11:51):
Sweet. I'm just really glad she wasn't named Mildred <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (01:11:53):
Yeah. Thanks, Mildred. Have a, have a great day and thank you, Scott, for you for sticking around you. You, you can go home now. <Laugh> okay. Thanks. Yeah. I mean, I, there's a lot more to say about buying a TV. Mike and I both go, oh, no, don't put it in the bedroom. Yep. Oh no. Cause then you'll go sleep watching TV. That's always a bad idea. Yep. We have it in the bedroom, but it's not facing the bed. Oh, that's good. So we have a big enough bedroom that we can have a separate kind of little living room living, you know, area where we have a sofa that Lisa hates, but at least it's a sofa and that's where the, and the TV. So we, we, we can't go to bed and watch TV, which I think is the important thing. Yep. You wanna

Mikah Sargent (01:12:37):
Be staring at a television before you go to bed?

Leo Laporte (01:12:39):
Yeah, it's too easy. It's too easy. Yeah. Now I stare at my phone instead,

Mikah Sargent (01:12:44):
Let me tell you about your super charismatic nuclei and how they don't like all that light shining

Leo Laporte (01:12:48):
Into 'em. I know, I know. I know. Good Mike B. Good. but, and we have a big, so we have, I think it's probably smart if you have three locations like that to choose different things for each location. So for instance, our living room is the biggest screen. That's a projector short throat projector. That's a hundred inches. So that's good for social mm-hmm <affirmative> it's not a great picture, cuz it's a projector. It's a little washed out as a result, but that's good. What people are over or we're cooking dinner and everybody's kind of in different spots. So that's nice. And then if we really wanna enjoy something, by the way, do you have Hulu? I do. Yes. The old man, the old man right old. It is the best show I've seen in a long time. So the dude, AKA Jeff Bridges is the old man.

Leo Laporte (01:13:43):
His nemesis is the fabulous. I can remember his name right now, cause I am an old man. It is such a good show. And the third episode came out on Friday. I was worried cuz the first episode was so good and I thought they can't keep this up. And the second episode. Yeah, maybe a little less good. The third episode. So good. I'm going, this is the best show I've ever seen this well, which it's probably not, but it's really good. Who's the other guy, John Liga. Thank you. So John Liga. So I don't wanna tell you too much. In fact I can tell you anymore because at first it starts so perfectly at first. At first you just go, well I said, yeah, it's called the old man. It's about a really old man. All right. The old man. I'll watch that for sure. Isn't it good?

Leo Laporte (01:14:43):
So good. It's on FX. You can watch it there, but if you have Hulu, you can watch it without commercials, which I always like to do and, and such a twist in episode three, it's like, <laugh> so good. I'm sorry. I'm not interrupting this song. I'm gonna listen to the whole way through the whole way through in college, we played this album over and over and over and over and over again. Leo Laport, the tech guy, Mica Sergeant also the tech guy. So there's two tech guys. Two of us, if you like the music now it's not professor Laura today. Jeremiah is in for Laura. So that's great. If you like the music you hear, don't worry. We, we write it all down. Write Jeremiah. Right? <laugh> he's keeping track. And then yes, he says yes. And then on Sunday we added to the show notes.

Leo Laporte (01:15:34):
So there's a, a link to all the songs, but this is of course roundabout by yes. From the album. Yes. Songs. Actually it's on two. It's on fragile as well, but fragile, ISS the studio. I think he's playing the studio version. I wow. We listened to the live version. Yes. Songs over and over and over again. I'm impressed. <Laugh> no, no. I only remember things from when I was under 30 after that. Which by the way, you should make a note of cuz you're almost 30. Yeah. You're gonna that's it. So everything, especially music. Okay. They say your musical tastes freeze at the age of 27. Interesting. And that's it interesting. You still like waterfalls by TLC? May I point out that, that you weren't even, you were a little lad at? I was, I was what? A little Mr. Little, a little Micah. <Laugh> eighty eight, eighty eight. Ask Leo is the phone number Micah say hi to Micah. Oh it's Micah from Maine. Hello? Micah from Maine.

Caller 4 (01:16:32):
Hey, it's my other favorite? Micah. I get to talk to Bob Micah and Leo.

Leo Laporte (01:16:35):
How many Micah is Micah? Do you? No, this is gonna be confusing. How often do you mean another person named Micah?

Caller 4 (01:16:42):
I have met two or three. Yeah. there, it's a lot more popular these days with, with, with younger people because it's also a name that is now used for men or women. So, oh,

Leo Laporte (01:16:51):
That's a good point. Yeah, yeah.

Caller 4 (01:16:54):
Yeah. Although Micah and I spell it differently, but we have the same attitude. We like people

Leo Laporte (01:16:58):
That was because of, of a mistake on the factory floor. That's why mic spells it wrong. A mistake that ended up becoming cannon as they say. Yeah, the, my mom said Micah, like the Bible and the nurse wrote a K instead of a C and my mom said that's unique. I like it. Let's keep it. I actually like it too. Me too. Yeah. I, I like it. It's different Micah with a C, not Micah with a K cuz Micah with a K be Micah. <Laugh> Micah with a C what can we do for you today?

Caller 4 (01:17:24):
Well, I was calling for two reasons. One is I wanted to reiterate what Scott said about the focus. Right? Scarlet two I two. I recently got one and it has made such a difference with my microphone level, I'm using my ATR mic, but instead of going USB N I can use the XLR plug. And I know I'm talking gibberish to a lot of people, but basically I can use an analog in to get a much better digital output through the focus. Right. And my levels are much higher. I get much more gain out of it. Once you find the mysterious, mysterious settings in windows 10, but it's really makes a huge difference.

Leo Laporte (01:18:01):
We send this out to our hosts, actually, we like it so much. And the other thing I like about the Scarlet is in fact, Scarlet red, it's a, it's a nice, really pretty, he's a kit musicians like it too, because they can hook up their guitars or whatever. And so it has some nice advantages, the Scarlet too.

Caller 4 (01:18:18):
And the other great thing is for, for radio guys, like you and me, it has a headphone pass through. So you can hear yourself in the headphones when you're talking to someone which you know, is radio guys. That's what we like. We like to be able to know that we're actually talking to

Leo Laporte (01:18:30):
Ourselves. This is a common problem. When you use microphones into your computer, if you monitor via the computer, they'll be a little bit of lag. And that could be very disconcerting. It sounds like you're Lou Gehrig in the Yankee stadium. So it's nice to have the microphone and headphones come out of the same unit so that they match you. Don't get that little bit of a, a lag here. Yeah. This is a, this is a nice device. How much does it cost? It's a couple, it's not inexpensive. I think it's a,

Caller 4 (01:18:57):
It's about $160. It's really not bad for what it is because you're getting a digital input and output.

Leo Laporte (01:19:03):
Right, right.

Caller 4 (01:19:04):
So I think it's a great, and it plugs right in. Good. You don't need any drivers, nothing. It's right there. Boom. It's working. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:19:10):

Caller 4 (01:19:11):
Just a couple of mysterious settings in the two control panels of windows 10. You gotta go into the secondary one to get it right. But

Leo Laporte (01:19:18):
A one made too nice aluminum case and the, yeah, it's a nicely made device anyway, but yeah, it's kind of a specialized thing. Not everybody needs a way to get a microphone into a computer audio.

Caller 4 (01:19:28):
Yeah. But here's something that, that might interest their listeners a little bit more. I'm gonna be using it in a very special way. When I record on Monday night with the airplane geeks podcast, we have an amazing guest coming on.

Leo Laporte (01:19:38):
Who's coming on the airplane geeks podcast on Monday night. Might I ask

Caller 4 (01:19:43):
Other than Johnny? None other than Johnny jet. Oh really?

Leo Laporte (01:19:46):
Yeah. Oh, good choice.

Caller 4 (01:19:48):
Yeah, because of, of you and thank you very much, you know, Johnny and I managed to get to know one another after he unblocked me from Twitter, which we gave was a total mistake was really very funny, but you know, I've written a couple of articles for him in, in, on, on the website. He likes my writing and eventually we were able to work it out. So we're gonna record with him on Monday night and the podcast should be out on Wednesday. If those want to hear a little bit more from Johnny jet, cuz we'll be spending, be able to spend a little more time with him than, than, than you can on your show.

Leo Laporte (01:20:16):
I know I always wish I had more time with, with Johnny, but he's coming up by the way in just a little bit, if you can't wait till Monday, but good. So you're gonna ask him his ask him about his original name. Johnny jet is actually a kind of shortened version of his real original name. So you ask him about that and that'll get you a story right there.

Caller 4 (01:20:37):
Well, can't wait to do that.

Leo Laporte (01:20:38):
He's giving a little tip. Can't wait to do that. How do we hear the airplane geeks podcast?

Caller 4 (01:20:42):
Well, it's on any podcast catchier that you happen to use, but you can always go to airplane, And if you wanna know all about it, there's a little about segment that tells all the tells you about all the hosts. Nice including me and tell you we've been in business and doing this since 2008. So that's not bad. Johnny's gonna be on episode 706, but the next episode is gonna be very, very special. 707 and you know, 7 0 7.

Leo Laporte (01:21:06):
Oh the Boeing cast. Nice. Yep. Thank you. Micah. Leo Laport mic Sergeant your tech guys. That's a good story. So what are you gonna do on 7 0 7?

Caller 4 (01:21:21):
What, well, we you know, tentatively, we, you know, we're never sure if a guest's gonna show up, but we have somebody from the the Ronald Reagan library. Who's an expert on the original air force one, which was the 7 0 7. Oh cool. I've written. Yeah. I've written a special piece that I need to record yet using my focus. Right. On, on the 7 0 7, a little bit of history of it and my experience with it. And it's gonna be all hands on deck celebrating, you know, usually podcasts will celebrate episode 200 or 500 or

Leo Laporte (01:21:51):
7, 7 0 7 back. We said,

Caller 4 (01:21:53):
We just did 700. Let it go. And we're gonna celebrate 7 0 7 special episode.

Leo Laporte (01:21:58):
I don't know if I've ever flown in a 7 0 7. Did is, did PSA when they were flying California roots, they might have used a 7 0 7.

Caller 4 (01:22:07):
I really don't know if PSA did my, I would guess not.

Leo Laporte (01:22:10):
It's probably a 7 37, huh? Or 27, 7 30

Caller 4 (01:22:13):
Sevens and 7 27. Yeah. You know, and they were retired right around the same time that the seven four came out. At that point, they were getting old. They stopped flying in the in the late eighties, early nineties. Yeah. It didn't didn't last quite as long as the DC eight, which lasted,

Leo Laporte (01:22:29):
Oh God, I flew in a lot of DC eights and mostly DC tens. Lot of 7 37, 7 27, DC 10. But I don't remember. I must have flown in a 7 0 7. I mean, I started flying back and forth east coast in the late seventies, so,

Caller 4 (01:22:43):
Oh, then I'm sure you did. Yeah. I'm sure you did.

Leo Laporte (01:22:45):
Yeah. But

Caller 4 (01:22:47):
Yeah, it's gonna be, it should be a fun show and, and the show with Johnny's gonna be great. I'm just really

Leo Laporte (01:22:52):
Looking. Oh, I'm so glad. Thank you for calling and giving him a plug.

Caller 4 (01:22:55):
Well thank you for letting me plug it. And of course, mic tell Johnny, tell Johnny. I said, hi,

Leo Laporte (01:23:00):
He here is you right now. He's right there. He says, hi. Hello? He says, hi back.

Caller 4 (01:23:05):
Hey there. Looking forward to talking to you directly on Monday.

Johnny Jet (01:23:08):

Leo Laporte (01:23:09):
Too. All right guys.

Johnny Jet (01:23:10):
All right. Take

Leo Laporte (01:23:11):
Care. Take care.

Johnny Jet (01:23:12):
Hello, Johnny. How you doing?

Leo Laporte (01:23:15):
What's up? You still in Toronto?

Johnny Jet (01:23:18):
I sure am.

Leo Laporte (01:23:19):

Johnny Jet (01:23:20):
Although I went to Niagara falls this week.

Leo Laporte (01:23:22):
Niagara falls. You might just

Johnny Jet (01:23:25):
Nine turn went across the border's

Leo Laporte (01:23:28):
By inch. Yes. <laugh> you just hop across the border. It's practically right there

Johnny Jet (01:23:34):
Though. Is an hour and a half drive from

Leo Laporte (01:23:36):
Toronto. It's it's close to,

Johnny Jet (01:23:37):
Montreal's be a

Leo Laporte (01:23:38):
Border. Yeah. It's close to Montreal. No,

Johnny Jet (01:23:40):
No, no, no. We're not close to Montreal.

Leo Laporte (01:23:42):
No, but Niagara falls is closer to Montreal. Isn't it? I don't no, no. I should

Johnny Jet (01:23:47):
Look at America. Niagara falls, right. Is, is right next to Buffalo. So Toronto's directly above Buffalo.

Leo Laporte (01:23:53):

Johnny Jet (01:23:54):
An hour and a half because

Leo Laporte (01:23:55):
You're actually on the same lake lake Ontario.

Johnny Jet (01:23:58):
Yes. And also it goes into lake Erie

Leo Laporte (01:24:01):
And Erie.

Johnny Jet (01:24:02):
Yeah. I mean, it goes, it comes from lake Erie to the, it goes actually starts from lake superior and goes all around. But anyway yeah, it's

Leo Laporte (01:24:11):
Beautiful. I have never been, believe it or not. Lisa wants to go there. 

Johnny Jet (01:24:15):
You, well, you definitely wanna do it on the Canadian side. I mean, you know, I'm American. I love America, but it's so much as, as my tour guide said America chose industry when they started and these guys chose tourism, so they built it up and they have, oh, interesting much nicer hotels, better. Ah, interesting restaurants and amusements. So, but try check. 'em Both out like going across the border these days is a breeze.

Leo Laporte (01:24:40):

Johnny Jet (01:24:41):
Yeah. I except you gotta fill out that R can app to get back into Canada and you gotta pay a $4 us toll. But other than that,

Leo Laporte (01:24:47):
It big deal. I used to have a hell of a time getting into Canada <laugh> and I used to go once a month. I was gonna say, didn't you have to go regularly. Yeah. I finally had my, my passport was stuffed with these credentials that would allow me to come and go a little bit easier.

Johnny Jet (01:25:01):
Well, did you ever get the nexus pass?

Johnny Jet (01:25:04):
It's like global

Leo Laporte (01:25:05):
Entry. Yeah, no, I know what nexus is. I think I never, for some reason I never did. Maybe they, so

Johnny Jet (01:25:10):
That's why, that's why we went to

Leo Laporte (01:25:11):
That makes it easy. Yeah.

Johnny Jet (01:25:13):
That's why we crossed the border for my renewal and to get my daughter, her, her nexus and global entry.

Leo Laporte (01:25:19):
Right, right.

Johnny Jet (01:25:21):
Cause everyone in your party has to have it. So now

Leo Laporte (01:25:24):
We all do, oh, what'd you say Johnny? What'd you say, listen, listen. I said, listen in this here land. He's been everywhere, man. He's in Toronto breathing the Canadian air right now. Johnny jet, our traveling guy. He's hitting the road again. Hey Johnny.

Johnny Jet (01:25:41):
Hello, Leo. Traveling

Leo Laporte (01:25:43):
Better with tech. Hello? Hello. You you told us, but I, but I, I didn't realize you told us last week was one of the biggest travel weekends of the year, which is wild.

Johnny Jet (01:25:55):
Well, yesterday was the most people going through security checkpoints in the us since March 20, 20, over four point. Wow. Over no 2.4 5 million. So

Leo Laporte (01:26:09):
This weekend, top, last weekend.

Johnny Jet (01:26:11):
Wow. It is. But we're still almost 250 or 300,000 shy of 2019. But the thing is the reason why all this travel chaos is going on. And I see people in the chat room asking me about it. Oh

Leo Laporte (01:26:22):
Yeah. In fact, I'm, I'm terrified. Cuz Monday I'm flying to Rhode Island, actually Boston with my daughter and I'm scared to death cuz of all everybody's saying, all flights are canceled and they don't have enough equipment. They don't have enough pilots what's going on.

Johnny Jet (01:26:36):
Well they're not all canceled. But the problem is is that the, they weren't expecting the demand demand to be back so quickly. And they're short pilots and staff. I mean everyone's every, industry's having a difficult time finding staff. But I was listening to an interview this week of Willie Walsh, who used to be the head of British airways. And now the I a T a and he said, listen, one of the big problems is that everyone's gotten used to this flexible work week from work, from home, you know, make your own hours. You know, you can't do that in the travel industry. Pilots have to fly planes, baggage loaders have to load the handlers, have to load the bags. And so they're having difficult time finding people to work. And this is happening all over the world. It's not just an American thing. It's happening here in Canada.

Johnny Jet (01:27:20):
It's happening in Europe, it's happening in Australia. So you just have to buckle up. I thought it was gonna last. I, I think it's gonna get much better when September comes around because you know, the kids will be back in school. There be less people traveling and not as many business travelers as usual, but leftanza came out today saying that they expect it to last all year, which is shocking, but that's for them, that's for them. But I, you know, I did write a really good guide. I spent a lot of time this week writing a survival guide. And you know, if you follow those tips, I honestly think you'll have no problem. I'll give you some of them real quick. I said, you know, I said, postpone, if you can, until mid-September you

Leo Laporte (01:27:58):
Can great, Nope.

Johnny Jet (01:27:58):
Travel midweek, take an early flight, download the right apps, especially the airline that you're flying. You know, and just keep checking your itinerary, making sure they didn't change the plane, change the route, change your seat, avoid connections. If you can, you know, and, and avoid the long lines by getting, you know, TSA pre clear, not every airport has it. So you have to do your research and find out if they do. I I'm here in, I went down to Niagara this week, cuz I went and had a nexus appointment, which is it costs $50 for five years and it gets me global entry and TSA precheck. I also got it for my daughter. So now my whole family has it. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:28:38):
That's one of my words. I have global entry, but, but my daughter who I'm traveling with does not. So I

Johnny Jet (01:28:43):
Won't be able, you're not outta the country though.

Leo Laporte (01:28:44):
No. So does it does, but I mean, doesn't it give you TSA precheck and stuff or

Johnny Jet (01:28:49):
It does, but you know what she might be if you're on the same, I tin her. If she you're on the same reservation, sometimes

Leo Laporte (01:28:54):
Give it to you say pre on the ticket thing also.

Johnny Jet (01:28:57):
Same thing I

Leo Laporte (01:28:58):
Have, I have clear, but she doesn't either. So yeah.

Johnny Jet (01:29:02):
Well that doesn't matter. Oh, you know it does matter cuz she's she's older older than

Leo Laporte (01:29:05):
She's an adult. Yeah.

Johnny Jet (01:29:07):
Yes. My kids are, you know, young. So they're they go with me?

Leo Laporte (01:29:10):
I'm clear. You want, you want a shot? Cuz I remember when my kids were your kids' age. She's now 30. No, she's 30. She's going with me. She's an, I guess that's a grown up now. She's older than Micah for crying out loud.

Johnny Jet (01:29:22):
Oh my gosh. <Laugh> I remember when she was Maning the phones when I went in one day.

Leo Laporte (01:29:26):
I know, I know.

Johnny Jet (01:29:28):
Oh anyway, there's all different things. I, I I'll I'll put the post in the chat room. I'll tweet it out. Hopefully you'll sign up to my free newsletter, but also track your bags, you know, and try not to check a bag. Well, we're gonna try not to check a bag. I

Leo Laporte (01:29:42):
I know I'm gonna tell her, please carry on and I'm gonna do a carry on and hope we can do that would be, that will save time. That

Johnny Jet (01:29:47):
Will, that will save you time. Yeah. On both ends. It will save you hassles. Yeah. I'm sure you saw the images from he throw this week. It was literally a mountain of bags. So everyone is now using apple tags or Samsung's 

Leo Laporte (01:30:00):
I got an air tag in my bag. Yep, yep, yep.

Johnny Jet (01:30:03):
Yep. So put their 'em in your bag, track it and always carry your valuables on the plane, your medications, a change of clothes and bring a bathing suit if you're going somewhere

Leo Laporte (01:30:13):
Warm. So what I carry in is a drone, a camera, a laptop, come on an iPad, forget medications. <Laugh> I've got my tech all

Johnny Jet (01:30:24):
Bring medications. Yeah. If you have 'em yeah. And you know, and have a backup plan and just, and leave a day or two early cuz you know what things happen? And here's a good one.

Leo Laporte (01:30:34):
Backup one. I, I didn't even think of reserve your park parking now.

Johnny Jet (01:30:38):
Definitely. That's a good idea. Even park at the airport. Yeah. More people are more people are parking at the airport than they ever have because they don't want to be in a car with another driver or they don't wanna take public transportation cuz they're worried about COVID so you gotta reserve it in advance, especially during big weekends and crunch time. So like Fridays and Sundays and Mondays, you wanna avoid those

Leo Laporte (01:31:00):
Days we rented a car. Is the, is the car rental shortage over? Cuz that was a problem. A winery it's not over. It's not

Johnny Jet (01:31:06):
No, but it all depends on the market. So, you know, I rented a car a few weeks ago and the guy's like, yeah, I asked him that question. He said, you know, it all depends on the market.

Leo Laporte (01:31:15):
So we rented a car in Boston's cuz I have to drive to Providence. That's where my mom is. But I rented it through Hertz. I'm Hertz gold.

Johnny Jet (01:31:22):
I'm gonna sorry about that.

Leo Laporte (01:31:23):

Johnny Jet (01:31:25):
Well, Hertz's been all over the news because

Leo Laporte (01:31:27):
What, you

Johnny Jet (01:31:28):
Know, they they've been, people have been getting arrested, driving hurts.

Leo Laporte (01:31:31):

Johnny Jet (01:31:32):
I mean, they, they said they've now fixed it, but there's been dozens of people who've been arrested because ridiculous reason you gotta do your research. We don't have enough time. But what, you know, people either like

Leo Laporte (01:31:45):
If I'm not back next week, you'll know why you gotta

Johnny Jet (01:31:49):
Wrestl. Well this, the chance of that, the

Leo Laporte (01:31:50):
Boston jail, this is the thing where they they thought that people were stole. Yeah.

Johnny Jet (01:31:55):
Yes. Yeah. And they actually threw people in jail for, I think one guy was in jail for a couple nights. He's like, what are you talking about? Anyway, Hertz is

Leo Laporte (01:32:04):
Actually I hope I get thrown in jail for two nights cuz I will Sue the pants off of them. Yeah. I will make so much money. <Laugh> that?

Johnny Jet (01:32:12):
I agree with that.

Leo Laporte (01:32:13):

Johnny Jet (01:32:14):
Yeah. But listen, I don't wanna scare people with Hertz because the chances of that happening are

Leo Laporte (01:32:18):
I know bill handle. I can get some legal advice here, so I'm ready. <Laugh>

Johnny Jet (01:32:24):
All right. Well anyway, but also I'm flying

Leo Laporte (01:32:26):
Again. So you just can't steal a car anymore. I have to say, you know, you leave it terrible. Well, terrible world is this. So I just at least hope that they have my reservation. Of course you've seen the Seinfeld bit. Yes. Where he gets to the car counter and he has a reservation, but they have no cars. And he says, you know how to take the reservation? You just don't know how to keep the reserv, have a friend

Mikah Sargent (01:32:47):
Who worked for rent cars and that's what they do. They overbook because people cancel last minute. They

Johnny Jet (01:32:51):
Do that. Same with the airlines. It's like the airlines do the same thing. They book it. But usually 10% or 10, 10% more because they, a lot of people don't show up. And then when they do that's when you can try and get some good money, can you say

Leo Laporte (01:33:02):
Things like my mother's 88 years old? This is maybe the last time I'll ever get to see her. Well,

Johnny Jet (01:33:09):
So that's why you need to check in 24 hours in advance. Check in early.

Leo Laporte (01:33:13):
You got no heart, Mr. John and jet. No heart at all.

Johnny Jet (01:33:16):
Oh listen, I got big hearts. My dad's 93. Yeah, that's true. You know, but the gate agents, you know, if you book direct too, you wanna book direct. If you're a freaking flyer, they're not gonna bump you. So

Leo Laporte (01:33:28):
I bought a carbon dioxide. Oh yeah. Detector that I'm gonna carry on the plane. We talked about this last week. Some thank you, John disk. One of our listeners sent me a great article, I think from science magazine, they tested with the FAA and the help of the FAA. I think several hundred flights airplanes tend to be pretty high, like a around between 1500 and 2000 parts per million CO2. That's enough to make you drowsy. It's not you know, violation of the OSHA limit, which is 5,000 parts per minute, after that you die. So I guess the airplane airlines don't want to kill, pass away.

Johnny Jet (01:34:06):
Is it cuz the altitude or the 

Leo Laporte (01:34:08):
I thought about this and I read it and I think what it is is yeah, they don't mix in fresh air. As you know, they mix in as little as possible as they're doing the filtration because it uses energy. They have to heat it and they have to pump it in and it slows 'em down. So they just put a little bit of fresh air in. That's why the carbon dioxide levels get high. The good news is they are HEPA filtering. So as long as you're in the air, I don't, I'm not too worried about COVID but they pointed out carbon dioxide levels are much higher when you're boarding. There's no filtration then. So keep I'm keeping my mask on Johnny jet, Johnny I'll see you and tell you all about it next week. How long you gonna stay in Toronto now? Forever. Stay

Johnny Jet (01:34:50):
There. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:34:51):
Don't come back. Do not

Johnny Jet (01:34:52):
Come back to the us. You, after watching the news yesterday, won't like,

Leo Laporte (01:34:55):
Don't come back, stay there. 

Johnny Jet (01:34:59):
By the way, did you see, I was gonna mention, did you see crystals ships? A couple of them got sold. Actually they had three ships ships.

Leo Laporte (01:35:04):
Sorry you saw two got sold. And the one newest ship, the biggest ship of all yes is gonna be scrapped. It's brand new. Never sales.

Johnny Jet (01:35:13):
No, no. Are they? No, I thought they the crystal endeavor. They're not gonna scrap that.

Leo Laporte (01:35:17):
No, it's not a crystal.

Johnny Jet (01:35:18):
It's silver sea bought that silver sea bought crystal.

Leo Laporte (01:35:21):
Oh good. Oh, I'm glad to hear that.

Johnny Jet (01:35:22):
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:35:23):
Silver. Sea's doing all right. Which cuz that's my crystal.

Johnny Jet (01:35:25):
You're you're talking you're you're talking about NCL.

Leo Laporte (01:35:27):
NCL. Yeah, but that's the owner of, of oddly enough silver sea or part owner anyway. So they bought the endeavor. Nice.

Johnny Jet (01:35:36):
That was silver sea, but the old, the old that and that

Leo Laporte (01:35:39):
NCL is a part owner of silver sea.

Johnny Jet (01:35:42):

Leo Laporte (01:35:44):
Oh it's a nice little boat. Look at this. It's not even a big boat.

Johnny Jet (01:35:47):
Yeah. Two for Antarctica.

Leo Laporte (01:35:49):
Oh it's an expedition boat. Yes. Oh no. I'm sorry. Serenity. Silver sea is RCL. Okay. Royal Caribbean group. I thought it was NCL. All right. Okay. I,

Johnny Jet (01:36:02):
I didn't

Leo Laporte (01:36:02):
Think so. No, you're right.

Johnny Jet (01:36:04):
No, I didn't say anything but I but I could tell, I know crystal serenity and crystal symphony that are older ships have just been bought by a and K, which is

Leo Laporte (01:36:14):
The world's largest cruise ship, which was being built by a Chinese cruise line is being sold for scrap. Even though it's never sailed with passengers.

Johnny Jet (01:36:25):
That's insane.

Leo Laporte (01:36:26):
Right. Is that insane? Insane. But talk about insane. I think it said they, they were, it was close to 10,000 passengers.

Johnny Jet (01:36:34):
That's ridiculous. 10,000 passengers. So that P

Leo Laporte (01:36:38):

Johnny Jet (01:36:39):
So there's like 6,000 crews. It's

Leo Laporte (01:36:41):
A city. Let me see if I can find this story because it's it's a wild story. Yeah. World's biggest cruise ship sent to scrapyard before ever setting sale 9,000 passenger vessel bigger than the, any of the, you know, wonders of the seas or, you know, any of the RCL ships, 20 decks, the global dream, two outdoor water park, plush cinema never left the dock. A buyer has yet to be found, of course not, cuz no one wants a ship

Johnny Jet (01:37:13):
That big right. Global dream

Leo Laporte (01:37:17):
Ship that big is trying to sell their first ship, but it's not. So they haven't sold it yet. It's a German ship yard. I'll I'll I'll put the link in the show notes cuz it's crazy. Crazy,

Johnny Jet (01:37:29):

Leo Laporte (01:37:30):
Crazy. The global dream tool. Crazy. It's a lot of steel and there's Johnny Jet's article, which everybody must have. I'm going to follow it to the letter.

Johnny Jet (01:37:44):
Yeah. I think it'll help. I mean I'm traveling soon and I'll you know, I, I have friends that are doing these and then it's all working.

Leo Laporte (01:37:54):
So, so we got two trips coming. Anyway. I'm gonna bring that carbon dioxide monitor with me. But, but I take a photo,

Johnny Jet (01:37:59):
Please take a

Leo Laporte (01:38:00):
Good smile. I will, I will. I'll be somewhat relieved. I'm somewhat relieved to re in fact I will put this a link in the show notes to this article too, because honestly it's, I put

Johnny Jet (01:38:10):
A link to, to the actual one that you're study

Leo Laporte (01:38:13):
Because well, yeah, I'm bringing the ANet, the ANet too. A, it

Johnny Jet (01:38:17):
Shows up with carbon monoxide and that's what I

Leo Laporte (01:38:19):
No, no, not carbon monoxide. There should be.

Johnny Jet (01:38:22):
There's covered the oxide.

Leo Laporte (01:38:23):
Yeah, no it's CO2. It's the a R a N E T four. I'll put a link in the show notes. It's a CO2 monitor was 250 bucks. It's cute. It's got a little it's got a little EIN screen, which means it doesn't use much. Battery tells you the relative humidity and the temperature as well. So I'll take pictures as I go. But what this study found, which I thought was quite interesting was that it's the boarding that really is bad for CO2. Definitely.

Johnny Jet (01:38:54):
Definitely. That makes sense. Wear your mask. I mean that's ignorance is bliss sometimes and I think

Leo Laporte (01:38:59):
I agree. All right, Johnny, have a good one. Take care. Bye. Around Leo Laport. Mike Sergeant, you got two tech guys this week on the tech guy show. Yeah. So this was an interesting conversation we had last week with Johnny jet. I should probably go into more detail about this, about carbon dioxide mm-hmm <affirmative> so that's what we breathe out, not monoxide, which is poisonous that's caused by combustion. You, you have a carbon monoxide detector in your home. You auto, if you don't because furnaces and anything that has combustion generates carbon monoxide and, and that's poisonous and will kill you. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> it's odorless. You can't tell you need a detector, so you should have that. But carbon dioxide is everywhere. It's what we breathe out. And the normal exposure to carbon dioxide, if you're outside is several hundred parts per million, you know, at my house I've I bought this carbon Mo dioxide detector for going on airplanes.

Leo Laporte (01:39:59):
And it's it's usually around 400 parts per million is in that. I go around the house. That's good. That's fresh air. It's fine. The reason you wanna be concerned about this, well, OSHA, the occupational safety and health administration says, and in a workplace environment should never exceed 5,000 parts per million because well, you probably die. <Laugh> it's like, there's not enough air, right? You, you, you might pass out. It's pretty bad, but that's for OCU. That's for, you know, you working in a, you know, a steel mill or something. A lot of offices though can get two or 3000 because like this office is sealed. There's no windows you can throw open. This study says they did some cognitive studies on people with in, in environments with a lot of carbon dioxide. And after about 1500 parts per million, you get groggy your, your cognitive abilities go down about 50%. It's not, you're not, you're not ill. It's not gonna kill you, but you're, you know, you're and you know, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be surprised if the airlines go, yeah, that's not a bad thing, you know? Right. Because chill

Mikah Sargent (01:41:08):
People out, two

Leo Laporte (01:41:09):
People are sleepy is a good thing. It's not gonna hurt you. The reason I was interested in this and I saw a number of tweets about it a couple of weeks ago, and that's why I got this ANet for carbon dioxide. Well, I say die very carefully dioxide detectors, cuz people said, well, it's a proxy for poor ventilation. And as we know with COVID poor ventilation is the number one problem because COVID is airborne. And if you don't get lots of fresh air, that's why you are supposed to wear a mask with big crowds indoors, but it's not as necessary outdoors. You're getting more fresh air. So I thought, oh, well these high carbon dioxide levels in an airplane, that doesn't sound so good. But after reading this and thinking about it and I'll put a link in the show notes to this this paper onboard carbon dioxide, con concentrations and ventilation pro performance and passenger cabins of us domestic flights of study done specifically on airplanes with funding from the federal aviation administration.

Leo Laporte (01:42:09):
This is in 2018, but I think it's, it's modern enough that this is still appropriate with airplanes. It isn't a good proxy for poor ventilation. They are in fact recirculating the air every few minutes through HEPA filters. So any viruses in the air getting filtered out. So it doesn't mean even with the higher carbon dioxide levels that you're not that it's not safe. It just means you might be a little sleepy and that's because for economy reasons, they don't wanna mix in too much outside air. It's very cold. They have to heat it. It slows the plane down. So, you know, they're careful a about that. So just for eco economical reasons, if

Mikah Sargent (01:42:50):
They gave everybody a plant, whenever they came

Leo Laporte (01:42:52):
To a plane, it'd be a good thing. Good. Yeah. A

Mikah Sargent (01:42:54):
Plant. Think about the oxygen.

Leo Laporte (01:42:55):
Yeah. many, you say you don't really want to have carbon dioxide concentrations over 700 parts per million. A lot of office buildings are much higher than that. By the way it also says co 700 parts per million by volume above CO2 levels, outdoors that if that's in a typical office building it's indicator that visitors this entering the space will be satisfied with respect to human bio effluence.

Mikah Sargent (01:43:29):
What does bio ILU mean? Bo? <Laugh> got it. Got it. It's gonna

Leo Laporte (01:43:35):
Be a little stinky if it's if it's above 700. Okay. That's why they, another reason to filter that air other studies found the exposure to CO2 of concentrations between 950 and 2,500 parts per million is associated with decreased human cognitive functions. You get, you get sleepy, you get slowed down. You, you, you know, you're just not thinking as well. So anyway, I'm gonna bring this on the plane, but I will be now aware of the fact that it's not so much a, a COVID exposure problem because they do filter with HEPA filters. But you know, you might be why you're a little cranky or sleepy. <Laugh>, he's a little cranky it's time for his nap. People say that to me all the time. I don't know why they

Mikah Sargent (01:44:20):
Say he's a little cranky. He needs to eat something. That's

Leo Laporte (01:44:22):
That's another one. Hangry. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, they did say in this study, which again was funded by the FAA among others. That the worst time is when you're boarding people are, you know, exerting themselves. They're breathing out a lot more CO2, the air cabin recirculation isn't happening yet. There's only little air coming in through the door. That's

Mikah Sargent (01:44:46):
Why it feels so stuffy at the

Leo Laporte (01:44:47):
Beginning. That's why it's so bad. Oh, that's why it's so bad. They also address, although I'm not sure what the conclusions are. This notion of turning the vent on above you to create a bubble of air around you. I don't know the problem is that air coming outta that vent still has the same amount of co too, because they're not actually adding fresh air to it. Yeah. If you look at the graph during boarding and ascent, CO2 got as high as almost 1900 parts per million went back down about 1300 during the cruise on average and then de declining back up to 1800 parts per million. So it is a little, you know, you feel stuffy. Yeah. That's why, and by the way, because they're not filtering it. That's also your greatest COVID exposure. So I'll be wearing a mask, you know? And by the way, I people always say to me, well, you're I get this all the time. You're vaccinated. You shouldn't wear a mask. So what if you get sick? A <laugh> I'm an old guy. A don't think it's a good idea. A million people have died in the United States more than from, from COVID 19. I don't wanna be one of them even though I am vaccinated and boosted, but also I'm going to visit my 88 year old mother mm-hmm <affirmative> and I definitely don't wanna get her sick

Mikah Sargent (01:46:00):
And long COVID is actually affecting more adults than we thought originally.

Leo Laporte (01:46:03):
They said like 30%. Yeah. Yeah. So whatever long COVID is I, I doesn't sound good. No, I don't want it. Like,

Mikah Sargent (01:46:09):
Why choose to risk yourself getting sick? Yeah. I don't want just doing what you can to,

Leo Laporte (01:46:13):
I don't, I don't want so that's why I wear a mask and it's an easy thing to do, you know? Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (01:46:19):
It's very

Leo Laporte (01:46:19):
Easy. I like my masks. They make me look like Donald duck. And I think actually these are Kimberly Clark, N 95 masks that have a bill. Cause they don't that way they don't touch your mouth or mm-hmm <affirmative> you kind of have some space

Mikah Sargent (01:46:30):
In there to move around

Leo Laporte (01:46:31):
Into. And I thought maybe I'd put a little painted orange and put a little little might NOLs on there.

Mikah Sargent (01:46:36):
I don't know. That's a good idea. Maybe nostrils,

Leo Laporte (01:46:40):
Man. The CO2 level in this mask is woo.

Mikah Sargent (01:46:43):
You're just sealed in.

Leo Laporte (01:46:44):
Woo. No low CO2 does not cause COVID but low CO2 is a proxy for poor ventilation and poor ventilation absolutely is a problem. If there's COVID in the environment. Well, I wanna make that clear, you know what? This is complicated, but I will put this article. I think it was, I thought, you know, thank you John, for sending me this from the August, 2018 issue of indoor and built environment <laugh> which is a magazine it's coauthored by somebody from the us department of transportation and partially funded by the federal aviation administration. So I think it's, I think it's reliable. I'm just saying, they're probably wondering why they're getting so many hits <laugh> on this, on this paper. We put this paper out four years ago. What's going on? Well it's cuz of Twitter, blame Twitter, and all those people tweeting pictures of their carbon dioxide monitors.

Leo Laporte (01:47:40):
And I'm gonna add to that <laugh> by doing the same I'll I'll send you some images. Johnny said, send me, send me the, send me the information I'd like to know. 88 88 ask we say we'll put links in the show notes. Maybe we aren't very clear about where that is. It's on the web tech guy, It's free. Open to all, no charge for going to tech guy, no subscription. I'll tell you what's there you'll find a, a kind of a list of links. The things we've mentioned underneath that in a couple of days, a transcript of the show, audio and video of the show. This is episode 1,905. That's the one you should look for

Leo Laporte (01:48:42):
Well, Hey, Hey. Hey, how are you today? Leo Laporte here. The tech guy, Micah Sergeant there, the tech guy together. We are the two tech guys, which means double your money. Double your fun, like double min income, like double min income, eighty eight, eight eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo is the phone number (888) 827-5536, toll free from anywhere in the us or Canada outside that area. You could still call, but it'd have to be using Skype out or something like that to reach us 88, 88 ask Leo, should we go back to the phones? Micah let's do it. I, I gased the whole last segment, so I won't do that. This time I'd apologize. In advance to Kenny. Who's been very patiently waiting from Cottontown Tennessee. Hello, Kenny.

Caller 5 (01:49:30):
Hello Leo. Hello, Micah. Hello,

Leo Laporte (01:49:32):
Kenny. Welcome to the show, Kenny.

Caller 5 (01:49:36):
Well, I just wanted to call, let you know that this week I finally got my max studio that I ordered all the way back in April full day. Yay

Leo Laporte (01:49:45):
Boy. That took a long time. April, may, June you four and a half, two, two and a half months. Almost three months.

Caller 5 (01:49:54):
Wow. Yes I did.

Leo Laporte (01:49:56):
Now, when did you get it today?

Caller 5 (01:49:59):
No, I got it on Wednesday. And

Leo Laporte (01:50:00):
So it's plugged in, just set it all up.

Caller 5 (01:50:04):
Oh yeah, I set it all up. It's all ready to go. And it's running pretty good. I mean, there are some applications that are having a hard time loading than others, because I guess just that the structure of it is a little different and they obviously haven't had it. A lot of the applications I have, haven't had up time to update to the M one chip, which of course.

Leo Laporte (01:50:26):
Yeah. So they're gonna run

Caller 5 (01:50:27):
M two chip, but

Leo Laporte (01:50:28):
Yeah, they're gonna run an emulation mode, something apple calls Rosetta two, which lets oh yeah. Intel stuff run and actually Rosetta works pretty well. But yeah, ideally you'll, everybody will update to compatibility with apple Silicon and that'll be a lot better. The other issue course is, and this started with Catalina. You can't run 32 bid apps at all. So those, there might be a few apps that you just can't run on that new computer otherwise, you know, is it it's nice and quiet, right? <Laugh>

Caller 5 (01:50:59):
It sure is. Sure is. The only complication I've had so far and it's because I use parallels desktop for windows. Oh, is that because of the type of operating system that I had? I had it constructed when I still had an Intel Mac. Right. they gave me a little popup message saying that it will not be compatible with the transition over to the apple Silicon chips. So I still good thing is I still have all the applications saved from windows 10. I just moved on to windows 11 and I, I like windows 11 to some degree. I just wish they had a full screen start menu. Other than that, it runs. Okay. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:51:36):
It's different. Isn't it? But you're not running windows 11 on the Mac studio or are you?

Caller 5 (01:51:42):
Yes, I am.

Leo Laporte (01:51:43):
Okay. So you're running it in parallels using windows on arm. This the pre-release version of windows yeah. For arm that's right. Yeah. And this is an interesting conversation because parallels, when the M one processor came out more than a year ago, said we, and we are gonna do a deal with Microsoft and you're gonna be able to run windows and parallel zoom windows on arm. But Microsoft has never approved that. It's always been a beta version of windows on arm. They, and there's some question about why the thinking seems to be that Microsoft has an exclusivity deal with Qualcomm, that windows on arm can only run officially on a Qualcomm processor, not any other arm compatible processor, like the apple Silicon chips, that deal was supposedly, you know, we don't know, but we thought it might be running out last year. I think it still hasn't. We just had this conversation on the windows weekly podcast, cuz there are a lot of Mac users who have some windows apps they wanna run on their new M one based max. And yeah, you have to do it in this kind of beta way, but it runs okay. Right?

Caller 5 (01:52:52):
Yes, it runs. Okay. the only thing is I'll have to get an activation license for windows 11, copy that I have. But other than that it runs pretty good.

Leo Laporte (01:53:02):
Yeah. I don't think you're gonna get one because again, Microsoft's not making this official. You have to run the beta version of windows on arm. And I don't, I think this is an interesting question is when is Microsoft gonna relent and make it official version of windows on arm, run on parallels on a Mac studio. And I don't know when that's gonna happen and it's not clear why Microsoft's not doing that. So the good news is it, it works well in beta. You can, do you know, what, what apps do you need?

Caller 5 (01:53:34):
Well, I mean, all the apps that I have is running pretty good particularly office, cuz I made the decision to go back to college and oh good for you that I needed. Nice. Well thank you.

Leo Laporte (01:53:45):
What are you studying Kenny

Caller 5 (01:53:46):
And I did. I am studying right now business science on supply chain transportation and logistics management up at Bellevue university out of Bellevue, Nebraska.

Leo Laporte (01:53:57):
Congratulations. That's great.

Caller 5 (01:54:01):
Yeah. It's gonna take me two years to finish the degree, but hopefully it'll be all worth it.

Leo Laporte (01:54:06):
Oh it will. I, I think anything you put and invest like that into yourself is absolutely gonna pay off that's. That's wonderful. Congratulations.

Caller 5 (01:54:15):
<Laugh> well, thank you. I appreciate that. I wanna also kind of go back to an episode that you did about, I guess it's been well two months ago. I remember you had a spill over YouTube TV and Wilkes spar, Pennsylvania and location in regards to that, were you using a VPN when you were having these issues?

Leo Laporte (01:54:37):
Oh, I know what you're talking about. Okay. yeah, I think that's what happened. So this is an interesting story and I had to actually cancel my YouTube TV account and start over. And that's what the the rep this customer service rep said to do. So at some point YouTube TV decided that my home lo when I signed up my home location was here, San Francisco bay area. I got the locals from San Francisco bay area. You're allowed a certain amount of travel. You can't spend too long in another location or they're gonna say, oh, you've moved. So somehow at some point and I, it was here at work. I turned it on and it, it decided I wasn't in San Francisco bay area, but I was in Pennsylvania and it de and it, and I guess I was there long enough that it moved my home location.

Leo Laporte (01:55:27):
And then it said, you've moved it too many times. You can't go back to the San Francisco bay area, which made me laugh, cuz I've never been to Wilkes bear Pennsylvania. So I called them and they said, yeah, I can't reset your home location. You just have to cancel your account, create a new account. He did good news. Google gave me credit for the cuz I'd been paying extra cuz I wanted 4k and all that. They did give me credit for everything I'd paid and, and, and the month I couldn't use it and I didn't lose any recordings because I made the new account quickly enough, the recordings transferred over. So that was all good news. And in fact I'm back now in the San Francisco bay area, but I was puzzled and maybe it is something about location services here at work. I mean the office is not in Wilkes bear, but maybe it was a VPN or something like that. We have a lot of, you know, security software as you might imagine running here. So I'm not sure what our location looked like to

Caller 5 (01:56:24):
UTT B. Well, to tell you a real real quick story you remember this was probably back in, I guess, week 11 or week 12 in the NFL season when a lot games had to be moved to Tuesday nights. And I think you kind of know where I'm going with this. Two games were moved one involved the now commanders, Eagles, the other, the Ram Seahawks. And so what I did is I used express VPN sure.

Leo Laporte (01:56:46):
To as one does

Caller 5 (01:56:47):
Los Angeles. Yeah. Yeah. And I was able to do that. Now the trick was I clicked on it and it says the program's currently unavailable to watch. Please try again later. So they kind of, they kind of knew where my location was. And so what I did is I used my browser and I zoomed in, I didn't get to hear the audio of it, which was fine cuz it wasn't the a squad. It was the C squad team calling the game. So I just figured, well, I'll just watch the game.

Leo Laporte (01:57:14):
I'll listen to my local announcers. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

Caller 5 (01:57:18):
Yeah. That's kind of what I was doing there. Yeah. And I figured that that's probably what it is if you're using it on the browser. Even if you can spoof the location with the VPN it's not as, quite as sophisticated enough to where he can detect, oh, this guy's actually in that location. And like you said, I even tried it out just today and expressed PPN is what I'm using for Dallas. But then it sent me all the way to Austin, Texas of all places.

Leo Laporte (01:57:45):
Right, right. It's where they have servers, but geo location via IP address is a very inexact science. I don't think we were using anything that pinpointed us in Wilkes bear PA, but something must have cuz YouTube TV decided that's where I lived. And it was a bit of a hassle and and it turned out it was NFL football. In fact, I wanted to watch our 49ers at work. <Laugh> that got me in all this trouble. So the moral is kids don't watch football at work. Right. Well maybe that maybe that's not the ball Kenny. Hey, I'm really happy to hear about your your work in business school and that's great. Congratulations. Have a great time. And it's great to hear a report on your new Mac studio. Do you love it?

Caller 5 (01:58:32):
Oh, I love it. And I just wish it'd come a month sooner when I actually did start courses, but I'm glad I have it now and exactly I'm up and

Leo Laporte (01:58:40):
Running. I love my max studio. I, you know, I'm a good husband. I gave my wife the fancy one, the M one ultra and I got the M one pro or max, I guess it is just the middle of the line, but that's fine with me. What'd you get the max?

Caller 5 (01:58:56):
Yeah, I actually did get the ML one ultra.

Leo Laporte (01:58:58):
Oh, so jealous.

Caller 5 (01:59:00):
See your location. Oh, you are set. Yeah. 20 core CPU. 64 core GPU 32. Yes. I paid a big penny for it, boo as

Leo Laporte (01:59:09):
Well working. And that's why you waited eight eight to 10 weeks for it because it was a bill to order. Hey Kenny, a pleasure as always have fun.

Caller 5 (01:59:18):
Thank you. And go Dodgers.

Leo Laporte (01:59:20):
Shut off. <Laugh> bad man. Sneaking that actually, you know what our mothership is? KFI in Los Angeles. So I probably shouldn't say anything about the Dodgers and the giants. Eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo the phone number more of your calls coming up in just a little bit. Leo Laport, Mica Sergeant, do you, are you still ruin, rooting for the Cardinals or one of them back East's teams?

Mikah Sargent (01:59:43):
There's a, there's a place in heart for the Cardinals. Cause my great grandparents loved them with their whole heart. They would watch every Cardinals game.

Leo Laporte (01:59:54):
And of course ever since the famous sucker punch where Ozzie Smith sucker punched will Clark in the 1989 playoffs. I've hated the

Mikah Sargent (02:00:08):
Cardinals. <Laugh> wow. I didn't know that happened.

Leo Laporte (02:00:13):
I mean will Clark sucker punch? Was it was, was it Ozzie Smith? No, it was Ozzie Osborne. Yes. No. Who was, it was Ozzie. Who was the other Ozzie? The one who used to do Cartwheel on the on the base paths? No, it was, it was Ozzie Smith, Ozzie Smith and the battle at Bush. Oh, Ozzie Smith thought the Cardinals were being bullied and he needed to show them how to stand up for themselves. Will Clark thought Smith was behaving like a bully by attacking him from behind Clark Smith and Jose O Kendo with the principle figures in a memorable brawl during a giants Cardinals game at St. Louis July 24th, 1988 before you were born nine months after the Cardinals defeated the giants in a seven game national league championship series. Another reason to hate them. I remember that came very well. It was a bench CLA and brawl and Ozzie comes up behind will and bam, the sucker punch heard round the world. The eighth inning Clark was on first base when candy Maldon hit a grounded to Smith at shortstop Smith tossed the ball to O kindo at second base in time to get the force out on Clark, attempting to prevent Odo from completing a double play Clark slid over the bag and toward Odo Clark called it an aggressive clean slide. A Kendo thought Clark could have avoided contact.

Leo Laporte (02:01:46):
So the fight

Mikah Sargent (02:01:48):
Began BU

Leo Laporte (02:01:50):
Boom bum bum, as Clark began to rise O Kendo slapped him in the head. <Laugh> what I couldn't understand what it was all about. Clark said, then I just went off enraged. Clark got up and grabbed a Kendo approaching from behind Smith, punched Clark in the head. It was a cheap shot. Clark said, said, isn't it amazing? I still remember this from 19 fricking 88. Wow. I still hold a grudge against the Cardinals.

Mikah Sargent (02:02:14):
That's not good.

Leo Laporte (02:02:15):

Mikah Sargent (02:02:16):
Punch hurt somebody. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:02:17):
Yeah. Cardinal's manager. Whitey Herzog said any shortstop in second basement would do the same thing. <Laugh>

Mikah Sargent (02:02:24):

Leo Laporte (02:02:25):
God Smith took several more punches connecting with at least a couple as Clark and a Kendo grappled. Sometimes you gotta will. Ozzie Smith. Sometimes you gotta stand up and be a man <laugh> wow. Wow. Clark said, I thought Ozzie Smith had a little more class than the sucker punch somebody from behind. If you're gonna whoop somebody, you might as well. Whoop 'em face to face. Wow. It's funny how those things mm-hmm <affirmative> you know, of, of such things are, are rivalries made and ever since most giants fans have not liked the cards. Weirdly enough. Weirdly enough. I have seen games at Bush stadium. It's a kind of a cavern. I have drunk a Budweiser at Bush stadium. Did you ever go to a ball game there?

Mikah Sargent (02:03:26):
I think so. Did you

Leo Laporte (02:03:27):
Guys go into St. Louis at all? How far is so you were in St. Joe or

Mikah Sargent (02:03:31):
St. St. Joseph is all the way across the state.

Leo Laporte (02:03:33):
Yeah. It's a long drive,

Mikah Sargent (02:03:34):

Leo Laporte (02:03:35):
But Midwesterners do drive

Mikah Sargent (02:03:36):
A lot. Yes we do. We have no problem with it. Yeah. that was one of the things I learned when I came here is that everybody's much more like, wait, you're gonna drive three hours. <Laugh> yeah, that's crazy. They also think of it. They don't, they think of the whole trip. So what I see as a three hour trip, they think of as a six hour trip, cuz it's three hours there, three hours back. That's not how we think <laugh> it's like you get there and then the reset, funny the clock. And then you go back.

Leo Laporte (02:03:57):
Cause Patrick Norton is also from St. Louis area. Same thing. Yeah. You'll drive for hours. Yeah. The worst is new Englanders.

Mikah Sargent (02:04:09):
They fly.

Leo Laporte (02:04:10):
We thought going to Boston an hour away was like, oh, I can't do that. That's too far. All right. Past Jeremiah, our musical director spinning the discs. He looks good with half a headphone, you know, puts the other half in the air, right with the ear. He's listening, dancing the music. Eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo the phone number. It's Leo Laporte and Mica Sergeant and our next caller, Susan from lake Los Angeles. Hello Susan.

Caller 6 (02:04:42):
Hi Leo. I spoke to you previously about getting the right phone for my computer phobic sister.

Leo Laporte (02:04:52):
Yes, I remember. 

Caller 6 (02:04:53):
Now yeah, now I I work from home I'm in publishing, so I edit and type set manuscripts.

Leo Laporte (02:05:05):
Oh, interesting. What do you, what software do you use for that InDesign?

Caller 6 (02:05:12):
Yes. InDesign. Couldn't love it more. Yeah. A few things, you know, could be better, but then what doesn't have things, it could be

Leo Laporte (02:05:21):
Better. It's it's become the dominant program, you know, in the early days. Oh,

Caller 6 (02:05:25):

Leo Laporte (02:05:25):
Yeah. In the early days qu express, even before that, what was the name of the, a first desk? Pagemaker PageMaker all this PageMaker yes.

Caller 6 (02:05:35):
Framemaker. We have, I go back to the FrameMaker day. Yep.

Leo Laporte (02:05:39):
Wow. So you've been doing this for a while, so yeah. Indig is a big improvement, I think. Yeah.

Caller 6 (02:05:45):
Oh, it's a wonderful program. Good. Just wonderful. But anyway recently I've started dog sitting for a friend and I have a huge honk and gaming monitor at home that I can see two pages on at once. And you know, it's, it's really a bear to take with me when I go. So I'm thinking just for when I'm away from home, I need a laptop and I, when I go online I just can't tell what the best one is, because all I need course is internet and email, but basically I just need to be editing and type setting. Okay. So I, my needs are pretty small,

Leo Laporte (02:06:35):
But you need page. You need not PageMaker <laugh> you, you need indig to work. Yeah. Okay.

Caller 6 (02:06:40):
Gotta have gotta have InDesign. And I use word for okay. You know, for the editing,

Leo Laporte (02:06:45):
Both of those works on Mac or windows, you're using a windows PC

Caller 6 (02:06:49):
I'm I'm using PC.

Leo Laporte (02:06:50):
Okay. So you wanna know a good PC laptop,

Caller 6 (02:06:55):
A good PC laptop that is not gonna break the bank. And my bank is relatively small. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (02:07:02):
All right. And you, now, the other thing you think about with the laptops is the screen size with page layout, I think you want 15 inches, but you tell me

Caller 6 (02:07:15):
The bigger, the better. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:07:17):
They do make 17 inch laptops. They're awfully big and awfully heavy and they also get no battery life. So, all right,

Caller 6 (02:07:25):
Well let's yeah, let's say 15.

Leo Laporte (02:07:26):
I'm gonna say reasonably speaking 15 is, is probably the right size for you. I'm sitting in front of, and I, I don't know how inexpensive it is, but I do really like the Dell XPS 15 I just bought Dell

Caller 6 (02:07:41):
X, PS 15.

Leo Laporte (02:07:42):
I just bought the new one. One of the reasons I like it is because it has the new Intel 12th generation tip chips, the Alder lakes, and those have some interesting features to give you better battery life and better performance when you need it without a lot of fan, which is also important on a laptop. They don't get so hot. And you can save a little money with the new Alder lakes by getting an I five instead of an I seven research seems to

Caller 6 (02:08:10):

Leo Laporte (02:08:11):
Yeah, research seems to indicate the I five runs as least as well as the I seven because of those thermal issues, Intel chips all, all X 86 chips get hot on laptops. Okay. You don't get a lot of cooling on laptops, but I think this 15 inches been very good. It's the I five process, or you'll be making a decision when you buy a laptop between Intel and AMD is the manufacturer. Amds tend to be a little bit less expensive. And then once I see once you're in the Intel realm, you'll be choosing between an I 3, 5, 7 and nine mm-hmm <affirmative>. And honestly with a new 12th generation Intels, I think the I five is the exact sweet spot. Okay. Okay. Let me think about some others Aus and a sir, a S U S and a C E R tend to make less expensive PC laptops that are nevertheless, I think very good. What, when you say low end, do you mean $500 or $1,500?

Caller 6 (02:09:12):
Oh, no. Less than 500 if possible.

Leo Laporte (02:09:15):
Well, now we got a problem. Yeah. And I'll be honest with you. I can tell you some, but you're making big sacrifices when you get that low. And often I think you've heard the phrase penny wise, pound foolish. I think sometimes when you get something really cheap and you end up having to buy a new one in six months or a year, have you really saved money? You know? Yeah. So boy, less than $500 is, is really tough on a windows PC. You could get a, a $500 Chromebook be quite good, but you wouldn't be able to run, unfortunately in design on it. You could run word on it, but it's not in design.

Caller 6 (02:09:55):

Leo Laporte (02:09:56):
Yeah. I think Acer, Acer's the only company that makes laptops anywhere near that price range and they're, they're pretty decent. They they've always kind of focused on being a low price leader.

Caller 6 (02:10:10):
Yes. I had an a cert. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:10:11):
Were you happy with it?

Caller 6 (02:10:13):
Little, little teen. Yeah, I was, but it was a little teeny, teeny tiny thing. And so it kind of, I, I, I outgrew it pretty quickly.

Leo Laporte (02:10:22):
Yeah. And that's my, my fear now they will, Easter also offers even less expensive laptops with the Qualcomm chip, but the performance on these is inadequate. So I would not it's

Caller 6 (02:10:34):

Leo Laporte (02:10:34):
Yeah. You're not gonna, it'll be so painful doing page layout that you'll just never use it again. Penny wise, pound foolish, but I would look at the, an AMD based Acer aspire.

Caller 6 (02:10:47):

Leo Laporte (02:10:47):
AMD is a little, is gonna be a little bit less expensive, a little less performant in the laptop, but they'll, they'll save you some money. Those are about 800 bucks. So that's about as close, I think, as we can get Leo Laport, the tech guy let me stay on the line cuz we can, we can talk a little bit more. So this one I'm looking at one, see the problem is the other thing you give up for 800 bucks as you only get eight gigs of Ram, you really need 16. These have the rise five in them, which is fine. Gonna be enough processing power for you. Maybe not an aspire. Let me look at some of the other ARS. Acer is is a time when company that makes a such a broad variety of stuff. It's hard to know Uhhuh <affirmative> you know, what, what their best choices are. They have a green laptop. The swift is very nice, but I think is very expensive. Looks like boy, even Acer's stuff has gotten more expensive.

Caller 6 (02:11:50):

Leo Laporte (02:11:50):
Yeah. Unfortunately it's partly because of the, you know, the costs of chip the chips these days and the chip shortages. Yeah. Yeah. Here's an ACE aspire one. That's got a cellar on it. It's about as slow as you can get. Oh yeah. That's 3 99. Let's go up to the rise in three. Now we're talking 400 bucks. Yeah. I think you're gonna look at an ACE aspire is what you're gonna look at. Okay. In that price range and these aren't bad. I'd love you to go to a best buyer somewhere and try it before you buy it. Make sure you can live with it. 

Caller 6 (02:12:27):
Oh, Hey, that's a great idea. Yeah, I will do. I will do that.

Leo Laporte (02:12:30):
Yeah. Yeah. They have an a series aspire three with an I five it's 11th generation, not the latest eight gigs of Ram. You'd like to get 16 in there, but otherwise Umhmm <affirmative> and that's 500 bucks. So I think we're in the, in the right ballpark with the ACE aspire five.

Caller 6 (02:12:46):
Oh, oh, oh that's yeah. That's the aspire. And you said, is there a specific,

Leo Laporte (02:12:53):
Well, I would look at, in fact you could do this on their website. Look at the aspire five laptops and those are about $500. Five. Yeah. I'm gonna suggest you add a little more memory. So it's gonna be a little more expensive, but not a huge money.

Caller 6 (02:13:07):
Okay. But that, that sounds doable.

Leo Laporte (02:13:09):
Oh, good.

Caller 6 (02:13:10):
That sounds doable.

Leo Laporte (02:13:10):
Oh, good. Yeah.

Caller 6 (02:13:12):

Leo Laporte (02:13:13):
All right. Yay.

Caller 6 (02:13:14):
Yay. Thank you so much. Leo. Love your show. And I love listening to you talk offline.

Leo Laporte (02:13:21):
<Laugh> I know that's the fun part of of being on hold and our podcast. Of course, we leave a lot of that offline conversation in, so the podcast is another way

Caller 6 (02:13:30):
To hear it. It's really funny

Leo Laporte (02:13:32):
Here. Chatter.

Caller 6 (02:13:33):
You're a jolly sword.

Leo Laporte (02:13:35):
<Laugh> well, thank you. I am. I am glad to hear you say that. I feel like lately I've been getting a little crabbier, but <laugh> trying to keep my spirits up. Where is lake Los Angeles?

Caller 6 (02:13:47):
Well, I told professor Laura it's out where they dump the bodies <laugh>

Leo Laporte (02:13:51):
Oh my right. Well, that's good though. And now that the water level's going down you notice that don't you? Yeah, kinda

Caller 6 (02:14:02):
East of east of Lancaster up above LA.

Leo Laporte (02:14:05):
I'm looking at a map now and I see. Nice. Yeah. And you're up at you're up at 2,600 feet. So you've got that high altitude.

Caller 6 (02:14:13):
Yeah. Nice. Yeah, the air's nice except for the dust and but

Leo Laporte (02:14:17):
No allergies, you know,

Caller 6 (02:14:20):
Thank heavens. No,

Leo Laporte (02:14:21):
That's something we gotta, I, my poor wife just is dying from allergies. She's decided to spend the summer on Claraton and oh, that, yeah. Yeah. So good. We're gonna look somewhere for somewhere like the desert, like where the allergies aren't so bad. Yeah, yeah.

Caller 6 (02:14:36):
Yeah. I'm not a really desert person. I'm more of a temperate forest person too. Me too. Quite an adjustment for

Leo Laporte (02:14:42):
Me too. I'm the same way. Yeah. I like the, I like the ocean and I love the forest.

Caller 6 (02:14:46):
Got it. Gotta get those forest pass. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:14:50):
All right, Susan.

Caller 6 (02:14:52):
Thank you, Leo.

Leo Laporte (02:14:53):
A pleasure. Take care.

Caller 6 (02:14:55):
Bye-Bye you too.

Leo Laporte (02:15:03):
It's antelope valley. I, I had never heard of lake Los Angeles before the same, a dry lake is what remains of a community founded on a real estate scam. According to Atlas Obscura,

Leo Laporte (02:15:23):
I'm surprised you don't have a train whistle. Whoa, whoa. I should should have a little train whistle. There used to be an advertiser called sleep train Uhhuh. And they would give you a little wooden train whistle to blow at the end of every ad. <Laugh> Leo Laport, the tech guy mic Sergeant tech guy too. I'm giving Mike an inside look at at old time radio mm-hmm <affirmative>. He said I ought to have a train whistle. You know, you can buy those little wooden. Yep. That's the train whistle. Woohoo. And I was remarking that there was an advertiser in the bay area called sleep train, get it. And at the end of every ad, they gave you a wooden train whistle that you were supposed to blow. You'd Sue the ad and they'd go, woo, woo <laugh>. Now we just have a button. Now it's just a button. <Laugh> mm-hmm those were the days we also you'd get the job and they'd issue your cowbell. It was nice, you know? Yeah. Little squeeze toy. You know, that's what times have changed. Djs don't quite do as many of those sound effects. As we used to 88, 88, ask Leo Dickie, Bartolo will not be here in a little bit. He is, what is he doing? He's gone somewhere. He's

Mikah Sargent (02:16:31):
He is playing with gadgets and

Leo Laporte (02:16:35):
Gizmo. Oh, he is at an event. I'm not, he's doing something, he's doing something. But he will be here with us tomorrow. So so 

Mikah Sargent (02:16:42):
You won't be buying any gadgets today, but maybe tomorrow

Leo Laporte (02:16:45):
Hopping on the soul train right now. Kg, Kansas. Sorry. Canyon, city, Colorado. Hey KJ.

Caller 7 (02:16:54):

Leo Laporte (02:16:55):

Caller 7 (02:16:56):
Thank you very much. I just I'm getting mixed results online. When I'm looking, can you set up a apple watch with an Android phone

Leo Laporte (02:17:06):
Phone? You cannot

Mikah Sargent (02:17:08):
No way to do that. No,

Leo Laporte (02:17:10):
You can set up an Android wear watch with an iPhone, but apple doesn't like you to use anything, but an iPhone. In fact, there are smoking gun emails that have been revealed in a court case from apple executives, like Craig Feder and Eddie Q saying, we can't allow people to use Android phones. If they, if they, if they could use inexpensive Android phones, they'd give them to their kids and we'd lose a whole generation. So they are very focused on absolutely not on on not letting you use Android, if you are living in the apple world, Lavita apple, you gotta do it all the way. I, I, I think it's wrong. Yep. It's monopolistic behavior, but well I

Caller 7 (02:17:59):
I'm team Android. I like Google phones, but I, so I guess I'll just have to see what the Google watch is when it comes out. I just, I like the design on the apple better and the features, but we'll see.

Leo Laporte (02:18:12):
Yeah. I think apple has a little bit of an edge certainly in a sales edge on the apple watch, but the pixel watch, which is coming out this fall looks, I think it looks beautiful. It's round, which I think watches should be round apple. Doesn't think so because they say that waste space because screens are square. And so if you have a round screen, you have to cut off the corners. I, I think you should also probably look at a couple of other kinds of Android compatible watches. The Samsung galaxy watches are fantastic. The galaxy watch four, I think is very, very good and does much of what the apple watch will do with any Android phone. So I would certainly take a look at that. 

Caller 7 (02:18:54):
You could answer phone, answer calls with it.

Leo Laporte (02:18:57):
No, no, I don't know of any watch besides the apple watch that you can answer calls by the way, that's something Apple's changing with its next version of iOS, iOS 16 will let you place calls as well on your phone. So it's full Dick Tracy. Yeah. If that's what you want.

Caller 7 (02:19:15):
Well it's just, I mean, it's something I can live without. I just think it's a nice be

Leo Laporte (02:19:19):
It's you know what I have to say at first I would've laughed, but a number of times I have literally answered because I had to have the phone to hand somebody important was calling and I'd say, well, I'm on my watch and they'd say, well, I would never know you sound fine. So you really can't have a phone conversation on the watch. The galaxy watch for fossil makes a lot of Android wear watches. I think they're inexpensive and fairly good. I do agree with you though. We gotta see what Google does with the pixel watch. That's that's gonna be probably king of the hill when it comes out. Amazon watches are about 180 bucks, which is nice. That's that's about half what a comparable apple watch would cost.

Caller 7 (02:20:02):
Okay. I think I'll wait.

Leo Laporte (02:20:03):
Sorry to be the bar bear bad ti

Caller 7 (02:20:06):
I have a fit. I mean a Fitbit one that I wear, well, those are fine upgrade. I wanted to upgrade.

Leo Laporte (02:20:11):
Well now this is a good news cuz as you know, Google bought Fitbit and I expect to see much of what's in Fitbit in pixel watch. So okay. For at least for that much heart rate monitoring fitness monitoring, it's gonna be a good, I think a very good watch.

Caller 7 (02:20:28):
Okay. That'll be worth away. Thank you very much. I really enjoy your story.

Leo Laporte (02:20:31):
You welcome. Thanks for listening. I appreciate it. KJ. I,

Mikah Sargent (02:20:35):
I think we're a couple of generations out from the apple watch being completely its own because we just

Leo Laporte (02:20:40):
Said they're moving that way. Aren't they? Yeah, we just

Mikah Sargent (02:20:42):
Got a firmware update. Recently we just got a firmware update recently within the last couple of watch OS versions that allows you to do a restore of the apple watch without having to send it in. 

Leo Laporte (02:20:55):
Because right now you have to have a phone, set it up with a phone mm-hmm <affirmative> but yeah, if you had cellular in this thing mm-hmm <affirmative> and you could make as well as take phone calls.

Mikah Sargent (02:21:05):
Yeah. Then it could be its

Leo Laporte (02:21:06):
Own phone. Why do you need a phone?

Mikah Sargent (02:21:08):

Leo Laporte (02:21:09):
Why do you need a phone? I mean, I think the bigger screen, it's hard to do a lot of things. You know, you can't send text messages very well on the watch, although I record audio and send it and that works. Yeah. You can dictate that works.

Mikah Sargent (02:21:19):
I mean, just as, because of the, the health tracking features, just being able to set this up on its own without needing it to be tied to an iPhone would be nice. Yeah. And I understand why people want that. So yeah. I'm hopeful that we're right around the corner from that,

Leo Laporte (02:21:32):
The good news about the apple watch is it's finally a decent watch <laugh> for a long time. It turned off the screen. Yes, yes. When you were looking at it, so you couldn't even get the time, but now it hasn't always on screen. So you can, at

Mikah Sargent (02:21:44):
Least I can just glance down,

Leo Laporte (02:21:45):
Always look at the time, which I that's a big improvement. Although dims, stemming a little bit is as I look at it, eighty eight, eighty eight, ask Leo the phone number, Bobby orange, California. Your next hi Bobby.

Caller 8 (02:21:59):
Hey, thanks so much for taking my call Leo. Here's my situation. I my office is in Irvine, California, which is served by Cox cable. And that was our provider before we moved. And anyway we had, you know, professional cabling guys and technicians, you know, set us all up and supposedly it's, you know, fiber optic or whatever, you know, the internet has been very speedy. Then about two weeks ago, it started to come into a crawl and we finally had Cox out and they monkeyed around for a while and they go, well, you know you've got plenty of bandwidth, you know, at the box. It's your cabling, you know, I've got like 30 foot of cabling to, you know, to my desktop. And I'm thinking that doesn't sound right to me.

Leo Laporte (02:22:47):
Yeah. But it's a good out for them cuz they're not responsible for inside wiring. They're only responsible for getting you good connectivity to that box in the wall. The thing to look at is the big problem. Of course you can have bad cables, but it's splitters. Is it one line coming directly from the wall?

Caller 8 (02:23:10):
So I guess, and I don't know the technology, but there's like five yeah. Five desktops and each one has their own run.

Leo Laporte (02:23:18):
Yeah. To the, okay. So you have a router next to the connection. That's coming in from Cox. They probably, they gave you a cable modem. Couple of things to look at Cox should look at this. Did they give you a cable modem or did you buy your own?

Caller 8 (02:23:37):
I'm sure they furnished it.

Leo Laporte (02:23:38):
Yeah. So then presumably they're responsible for it. And they would have looked at what is coming out of that cable modem, cable modems, especially when you rent them from the cable company are often old out of date, poorly maintained, you know, it's somebody it's a used cable modem somebody else had before you, so especially because you have business service, did you get business class service?

Caller 8 (02:24:03):
Yeah. I mean, I can't believe how much we pay

Leo Laporte (02:24:08):
<Laugh> then you got business class. Yes. You know, there is the confirmation

Caller 8 (02:24:13):
Unbelievably expensive. Yeah. For our business.

Leo Laporte (02:24:14):
Well they ought to be doing a better job then frankly. And I think what you should do is threaten them. You, the good news is in Irvine, you have many choices. Cox is not the only place to go for business internet. So I would say guys, you gotta, you gotta fix this. So when they tested it, did they test it outside or inside?

Caller 8 (02:24:37):
I wasn't there. Okay. 

Leo Laporte (02:24:38):
What you want them to do is come inside and test what's coming out of that cable modem, cuz they are responsible all the way up to that cable modem. Now if they say no that's full speed, then you've gotta look at what else is going on. We gotta take a break. Leo. Leport the tech guy. Thank

Caller 8 (02:24:53):
You. Thank you so much.

Leo Laporte (02:24:54):
Hold on, hold on, hold on. I just had a break, but I don't have to give you up still talk. Yeah. So you, you, you you're in a situation where, you know, do you have an it helper?

Caller 8 (02:25:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:25:07):
So he can, he can come in. In fact this is what I would do. He'd come in with a laptop, hook it up. So there's gonna be, here's gonna be what the chain is. There's some there's fiber going into the wall, coming out of the wall. There is gonna be a box that converts probably at, at, it depends this may or may not be inside your facility somewhere. There's a box that converts the fiber optic into coaxial internet. That's gonna go into a cable modem. That's gonna convert it into ethernet. And then that's gonna go into a router. Sometimes they give you a Motoman a router. If they gave you a Motoman router, they are responsible. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> for that, the ethernet coming out of that, giving you what you pay for. Is it a gigabit?

Caller 8 (02:25:56):
I think, I don't think we pay. I think we just, I think we have unlimited use. I don't think we paid.

Leo Laporte (02:26:01):
Yeah, no, no. But the speed. Do you know what the speed is that they promised?

Caller 8 (02:26:05):
Okay, well they promised everything, but you know, I did one of those speed tests. It was like under a hundred upload and downloads. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:26:13):
That's well it depends what they offered. Now. Remember they sell variety of speeds. We have 10 gigabits coming from our provider, much more common in a business is one gigabit, a hundred megabits is one 10th of that. That's probably not enough for an office of five people. So you have to, your it guy has to come in and test it coming out of the modem, out of the router. And, and see where the fall down goes. If they're saying no, going into the mode, coming out of the modem, that's where they're responsible to is the point where it comes outta the modem is, is the speed we promised then there's somewhere else that's being degraded. And there's a lot of places that could be they're they're washing their hands hands. They're saying, well, it's not our problem. You gotta get your wiring. Right. So somebody has to come in and test it each step of the way to see where does it fall off. Typically what happens is poor cabling. Splitters can be really bad. Doesn't sound like you have those sounds like you've got a router with five ethernet ports on it and each one a direct run to each computer. Is that correct?

Leo Laporte (02:27:18):
Yeah. Yeah. So then the, the thing to do is make sure that that router's working properly did are the ethernet, do you know if the ethernet cables are coming out of something Cox provided they're responsible for all the way up to where you put your gear on?

Caller 8 (02:27:36):
Yeah. Yeah. I'm not positive. I know that when we moved in there was like a phone wall with all this. Right. You know, I know we use some of it replace some of it. I'm not sure. See that's to answer that. So

Leo Laporte (02:27:50):
They may well be responsible for it. They're gonna say we're not responsible for any of the wiring inside the office. That's you, you installed that. But, but they are responsible for getting you full speed right up to that point. So the first job is to get your it guy to figure out where is it? Where is it getting slowed down? And if it's inside the Cox loop, they can say all they want. You gotta say no, no, no, look here. It's not coming out of the router at full speed. And then they have to fix it. Chances are they gave you a crappy cable modem.

Caller 8 (02:28:20):

Leo Laporte (02:28:22):
Honestly that's probably, and that's their fault and they need to upgrade that. Or you can get your own. You can tell your it guy let's replace. He, he needs somebody with who knows what he's doing. And I hope it's your, your it guy can go in there and just bit by bit test every a bit one. Yeah. Yeah. You get what I'm saying?

Caller 8 (02:28:41):
I think we'll just, yeah, I'd rather just do it myself. I can't depend on these. I'd rather just pick,

Leo Laporte (02:28:45):
Well, Cox is notoriously terrible. If that makes you feel better. <Laugh> that's the other thing to do and something we do all the time is see what other choices you have. We have three different internet providers for redundancy. And you know, you, you can pit 'em one against the other <laugh> mm-hmm <affirmative> cause they're all in competition. That's the nice thing about spending as much as you're spending on business class, internet. All right, gotta go. Oh, mm-hmm it's the remote work song. I don't think the beach boys knew <laugh> that they were writing a song for hybrid work. Ooh, baby. 88, 88. Ask Leah. Normally Dick de Bartolo will be here, but again, as I mentioned, he's gonna be here tomorrow on the next song tomorrow. Cause he's doing something. I don't know what tomorrow let's go to. What do you want? Do you wanna go to Corona? Let's go to Corona. All right, let's go to Corona. We got John on the line. Hi John.

Caller 9 (02:29:46):
Hey Leo, how you doing today?

Leo Laporte (02:29:48):
I am great. By the way, the beach boys are coming to the Ventura county. Fair. This August. Woohoo. Okay. Woohoo. What can I do for you, John? <Laugh>

Caller 9 (02:29:59):
Can, can you hear me?

Leo Laporte (02:30:01):
I hear you. Are you in your truck?

Caller 9 (02:30:04):
No. Well, I'm in my car driving. Anyways, quick question for you. I have may it's like a two part question kind of. I have a two and a half year old M series 65 inch Visio TV.

Leo Laporte (02:30:18):

Caller 9 (02:30:20):
And then just this past year I went out and bought an M series sound bar. Okay. Really like

Leo Laporte (02:30:26):
The sound bar. Yeah. Visio. We actually have tested a lot of Visio soundbars. They're very good. Lot of bang for your buck.

Caller 9 (02:30:33):
Now, one thing I find and I only find it when we're streaming on Hulu is when you're, when your show you're watching, goes to commercial, the commercials will blast you out the room. So you have to turn around, like when you anticipate the commercial company, you either have to hit mute or down, down volume, you know, three, four times or else it's, you know, and my wife got to the point, she's like, get this thing outta the bedroom. I can't deal with this

Leo Laporte (02:31:05):
Lot of, you know, this is a perennial complaint. The FCC has rules. That commercials cannot be louder than the programming, but there is all sorts of ways. You commercials can make it appear to be louder with compression and things. So sometimes even though it's the same decibel level, it is to your ear, much louder. So sometimes it's that problem. I should also point out Hulu. I don't think has the same. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (02:31:32):
The rules don't apply to cause they streaming service. So that's why they get to make them so loud. Cause is

Leo Laporte (02:31:37):
It really the case that a streaming service can turn up ads,

Mikah Sargent (02:31:40):
Radio commercials or commercials on the internet are not affected by the call act. That's

Leo Laporte (02:31:45):
What it's like radio commercials are not. That's what it says. Hey Maya, turn up the commercials next time. Okay. We gotta drive. John crazy. So that's really frustrating. So there are, your Visio may even have this. Some TVs have a setting in the SA in advanced sound settings that will moderate that a little bit. So you might look, I don't know, offhand, if the M series, the M series is Visio is, is a good, you know, the top, not quite top of the line, but almost top of the line. Visios they're very, very good. They may have a setting or the soundbar may that will fix that. If they don't, there are even boxes you can buy that will do that. Somebody's telling me in the chair, asthma says Hulu is notorious for loud commercials. Wow. I didn't, I didn't realize that. Maybe

Caller 9 (02:32:38):
You try, maybe you'll find out.

Leo Laporte (02:32:40):
Yeah. Oh, I listen. I watch Hulu a lot. In fact, can I recommend the old man? What a great show. That is not for the kiddies, but 

Caller 9 (02:32:47):
I think the white Irish starting at this week.

Leo Laporte (02:32:49):
Oh, I, I, I, I'm gonna predict you're gonna love it. I I'm sitting here with my wife, Lisa, and we're going, I'm saying this is I can't. This is so good. <Laugh>

Caller 9 (02:33:00):
Well then watch banner under heaven. Oh,

Leo Laporte (02:33:02):
We did. Oh my God. Oh,

Caller 9 (02:33:05):
We can't stop talking about that. Oh,

Leo Laporte (02:33:07):
That was a heavy duty one that the, the LDS does not like that show at all.

Caller 9 (02:33:14):
Oh no. We can only watch one episode night or else my wife wouldn't be able to sleep.

Leo Laporte (02:33:17):
Yeah. Who is that creepy? I think you'll like the old man, if you liked banner under heaven. Yeah. Hulu is, you know, Hulu's interested, they're doing some of the, they used to be kind of the throwaways where the networks would put their junkie shows and it's turning out. They're doing a lot of originals that I think are quite good.

Caller 9 (02:33:33):
Yes. Yes. one other, just my other quick question. The main reason I called potentially going to be looking for a new TV for my bedroom. And then I would move that M series downstairs possibly. Do you know of any TVs that natively have Bluetooth out that I could connect? Let's say my ear, my AirPods to right. Or just a set of both.

Leo Laporte (02:33:59):
Yeah. Quite a few. Do quite a few. Do I think probably most of the new ones do, the only thing you should be aware of is do the nature of Bluetooth. Sometimes there that will add some lag. So vocals will seem not to be synced with the movement of the lips, but I think a good TV's gonna take care of that by allowing you to adjust somewhat here's an article from Why Hulu commercials are so loud <laugh> and how to fix it. It's, I'll put a link in the show notes. I don't know. I don't know how to fix it, but it seems like some ads on Hulu will start off maintaining the volume of whatever show the viewer has been watching before slowly but surely blaring on all cylinders. Hulu is supposedly working on a solution. Yeah, right.

Caller 9 (02:34:54):
Yeah. I

Leo Laporte (02:34:55):
Sure they are. Right. okay. Apparently now they're saying that that calm does. So given the streaming platforms like Hulu could all be considered the same channel, theoretically, theoretically calm might impact this

Mikah Sargent (02:35:10):
Whole article is just a bunch of speculation. I'm reading through their suggestions on this. Never, and it's not good.

Leo Laporte (02:35:15):
Timothy Donahue stops speculating. They

Mikah Sargent (02:35:19):
Even say you could contact the FCC, but it's probably not gonna do anything. Well, that's

Leo Laporte (02:35:22):
Not, that's not a way to fix it. I always get, yeah. This link, bigger looking

Caller 9 (02:35:27):
For something immediate, but you, and that's why part of me thought, you know, after the wife falls asleep and I, if I wanna watch something more action oriented and 

Leo Laporte (02:35:36):
<Laugh> get headphones, date,

Caller 9 (02:35:38):

Leo Laporte (02:35:39):
Get headphones. I could put

Caller 9 (02:35:40):
My headset on.

Leo Laporte (02:35:41):
There are, and I would recommend it instead of Bluetooth, there are a number of companies sender's one that make wireless headphones designed for TVs. And those are not using Bluetooth. They're using RF. And they're, and they're, they don't have the lag problem. So.

Caller 9 (02:35:55):
Okay. But then, so let me ask that question because I used to have a, a set of Sony headphones that would whatever, but you would have to get up and I don't wanna have to get out the bed. That'd be like, okay, now I wanna listen to my headphones. They're wireless. I wanna be able to,

Leo Laporte (02:36:11):
No, they're wireless. That's the key they're wireless.

Caller 9 (02:36:14):
How do you connect it?

Leo Laporte (02:36:16):
So there's a box connected to the TV. That is a transmitter. Now of course, you're gonna keep your headphones over there because they're charging, but then you pick up the headphones, bring 'em to bed with you. And whenever you want to use 'em you put it on. There's also, maybe this is a better choice. Roku makes a Roku with a remote that has a little headphones Jack on it. And whenever you wanna listen, you just plug it into the Roku remote. And now you're listening. I use that a lot. Yep. Same good solution. Now,

Caller 9 (02:36:43):
If, but like on the sent Hiers, if you, how does it know to turn the audio off on the TV and just only go through the headset

Leo Laporte (02:36:51):
Magic? No, you use TV remote to do that.

Caller 9 (02:36:56):

Leo Laporte (02:36:57):
But try, take a look at these Rokus. And by the way, there is one solution. It's the solution I've chosen. I pay for ad free Hulu five bucks a month by me, you

Caller 9 (02:37:08):
Know, I, I did the, I did the Hulu thing where it was like, like $20. And you got the year how they run like a special every once in a while. Like, I, I got like a special, so, but I mean, I guess I could upgrade to the ad free.

Leo Laporte (02:37:19):
Ah, you're worth it. I'll tell you what takes about 15 minutes at every show. <Laugh> <laugh> wow. You can get through banner heaven like this it's 44 minutes long. Without the ads,

Caller 9 (02:37:33):
You gotta point there. Well, I appreciate your,

Leo Laporte (02:37:35):
My pleasure. Oh, and we lost John. His Bluetooth just went out. That's another reason not to use Bluetooth on your TV. Right. <Laugh> I just, I didn't know that there were those RF options. The Centen Heiss are great. I got those for my mom, cuz you know, 88 little di I, I only noticed when I came in and I could I mom <laugh> can you turn down the TV? So those are, those are great wireless. We'll put a link. You found 'em yeah. We'll put a link in the show notes to those they're not cheap, but they're not horribly expensive. And there is an article that as the medic found from Hulu on why their ads are so loud apparently they wanna fix it. This is from Hulu support ads too loud. Cuz it's I guess it's not in their control. The ads are inserted by others. You know the network. So you can actually let Hulu support know it. Ain't working. Micah. Let's do another hour. Okay. Whew. Oh, the radio stations won't let us, but we'll be back next time. Thank you for joining us. Leo and Micah. Your tech guys have a great geek week. Goodbye.

Leo Laporte (02:38:46):
Let's do another hour.

Leo Laporte (02:38:50):
Well, that's it for the Tech Guy show for today. Thank you so much for being here and don't forget twit T w I T it stands for this, including the podcasts for this show. We talk about windows and windows weekly, Macintosh, a Mac break, weekly iPads, iPhones, apple watches on iOS, today's security and security. Now, I mean, I can go on and on and on. And of course the big show every Sunday afternoon, this week in tech, you'll find it and I'll be back next week with another great tech guy show. Thanks for joining me. We'll see you next time.

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