The Tech Guy Episode 1897 Transcript

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Leo Laporte (00:00:02):
Podcasts you love from people you trust. This is TWiT. Hi, this is Leo Laporte and this is my tech guy podcast. This show originally aired on the premier networks on Saturday, May 28th, 2022. This is episode 1,897. Enjoy The Tech Guy podcast is brought to you by Wealthfront. To start building your wealth and get your first $5,000 managed for free for life. Go to Well ho, ho, ho. Hey, Hey. Hey, how are you today? Leo Laportee D tech guy here, time to talk computers, the internet, home theater, digital photography, smart phones, smart watches. You know, that kind of thing. Eighty eight eighty eight ask Leo is the phone number. It's just me today. My Sergeant has the day off. So,uI'm sorry. No youthful take in all of this. It's just gonna be a grumpy old man. 88 88 ask. Well, yeah,uthe website tech guy tech guy

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Leo Laporte (00:01:56):
Tech guy No sign up, no fee it's episode 1897. If you get lost 1897. What a, what a interesting year. I don't know. I actually don't know if it was an interesting year. I have no idea. Let's see what happened today in the, or this week in the world. Well, in tech in the world, I thought this was kind of interesting. You've heard of a Hanson, very talented recording artist, really like her. I think, I think she's, she's good. <Laugh> and she's got a label and she's got hit singles and stuff, but her label apparently will not let her release a song as a single, unless it's a, it's a viral hit on TikTok. So poor. Did I say Hansen? Hansen's a boy band Halsy <laugh> Halsy same thing. Just, you know, short name. First two letters. Ha there's an E in there, but other than that, not related at all.

Leo Laporte (00:03:11):
Halsy is a young woman who has, as she's pointed out, been in the industry for eight years, sold 165 million records all by herself. She says she put up a TikTok with, with the song playing in the background. She says, basically I have a song I love, I wanna release ASAP, but my record label won't let me, they say I can't release it until they can fake a viral moment on TikTok. Everything is marketing and they're doing this to basically every artist these days. I just wanna release music, man. And I deserve better. To be honest, I'm tired, poor Halsy. First of all, this nitwit on the radio, confuses her with Hansen and then <laugh> her label. Her label. Won't let her put out a record unless it's already a hit on TikTok. I guess that's a reasonable economic decision. But boy, this seems, this seems pretty regressive. Pretty retro. You gotta be hit on TikTok before you could be a hit and she's already, it's not like she's like nobody ever heard of her 185 million records sold. That's pretty good. In fact, that's kind of astounding 165. That's pretty amazing.

Leo Laporte (00:04:33):
I dunno what to say about it. Except welcome to the world of TikTok used to be you'd listen to, you know, a song would be a hit cause the record company would say, this sounds good. There's the first problem. There's nobody. Who's got the intestinal fortitude to, to take it on himself or herself to say, this is a good song. We should release it. Oh, can't do that. No, no, no. We gotta test it. But in the old days they go, oh, this sounds good. They talk to the artists. They would say yeah, yeah. Would like that. Well that to be our next record. So then and maybe this wasn't so good. They would give some guy called a record promoter. Now I have to tell you this before my time they give some guy with a record promoter, a little bag of cash and maybe a bunch of cocaine, honestly.

Leo Laporte (00:05:24):
That's what I'd heard. And they'd go around at radio stations saying, here's our new record. <Laugh> would you please play it? And you'd open it up and there'd be some cash in there or other goodies. And the DJ will go, yeah, by the way, they had to make a law because of this, it was called plug Ola. We don't do it anymore. Right? Professor Laura, we take a, every how often do we have to take that test? Every year, every year we take that test that says, what is plug Ola? If somebody comes to your door, here's some cocaine play my song. You're not supposed to do that. Well, we probably shouldn't have to take that test anymore cuz no, one's come to the door in <laugh> a long, long time saying, please play my record. They don't do it that way anymore. And honestly I'll be fair.

Leo Laporte (00:06:12):
I don't know. Do people find hit songs on the radio anymore? Really? I don't. I think maybe I don't know. How do you, how do you know when song songs are hit? You see it on TikTok it's viral <laugh> so maybe they're just saying, look, the problem is I mean, I guess you could say it was a fake viral moment when they went around to the radio stations and, and you know, basically, you know, strong armed them into playing the record. Sometimes a DJ and this is very famous too. Would, would find a record, say I like this, play it. And it would be the, the calls would pour in the request lines are burning up. Do we have a request line Laura? <Laugh> don't I don't think so. The request lines are burning up and then and the DJ would go, wow, it's a hit and go to his boss and say, we got a hit here and the boss would go to the record label. You gotta hit here and please bring these guys. What are they called? The Beatles? What kind name is that? Bring them to the United States. Not that's not that whole mechanism's gone. I think pretty much gone. So I guess you gotta go to TikTok. Welcome to the world of baby names. It started with Google. All the good names are gone. So Google then TikTok, Twitter, Twitter at least is a real English word.

Leo Laporte (00:07:34):
Duck, duck go <laugh> that's a privacy forward search engine. You've heard of him. Well not so fast. Duck, duck go is a browser too. They put that out recently. And of course, you know, everybody uses duck doco as a private stuff. Oh good. A browser that's private hold, hold on a secure duck. Doco never mentioned this, but a security Reacher researcher, Zach Edwards figured it out that duck Doos mobile browsers, which you may see on your phone allow Microsoft sites to bypass the tracker, blocking turn LinkedIn and Bing both will, will know it's you? So duck doco said, well, yeah, yeah. <Laugh> yeah. Didn't we mention that. No privacy browser. No, you didn't mention that. Gabriel Weinberg, the CEO and founder of duck duck go said, well, we block most third party trackers. Unfortunately our Microsoft search syndication agreement prevents us from doing more to Microsoft own properties.

Leo Laporte (00:08:45):
<Laugh> you could have said something, oh, by the way, this this special privacy forward tracker blocker browser doesn't block Microsoft just, you know, just let us know. That's all they have now added a note to the app store description. They got caught. Why is it? They wait till they get caught. That's my qu that's my only, you know, just tell us it's okay. We'll make the decision about whether you use your knife. If you're on a, on apple doesn't doesn't matter, cuz you have to use even duck. Doco still has to use. Apple's built in browser web kit. They call it, but it's really safari and you gotta use that. So you know, all bets are off. There really aren't any, any real blockers on the on the app store on iOS, but an Android. Maybe you could hope for that. Eighty eight eighty eight ask CLE. That's my phone number. If you wanna talk about tech <laugh> anything on your mind, something working, something, not working, something you like something you hate (888) 827-5536 wheel go to the phones. As they say, the request lines are open. Next. What? In tarnation?

Leo Laporte (00:09:58):

Leo Laporte (00:10:04):
What in tarnation? You know, last <affirmative>, you know, last night my my HRV was 64 milliseconds. That's below my baseline. So it's probably cuz I passed out. We tried to watch the new apple show prehistoric world. It's a nature series about dinosaurs with David Attenberg and then the baby dinosaur and all that. And I'm but I realize, I remember now this was seven, seven in the evening that nature shows put me right out like ah, and then the mother Raptor comes to feet and I was just out. So maybe that's why my heart rate variability was so low. I don't know. It's maybe it's do you think it's David Attenborough. They made the mistake of showing him on video at the beginning and he winks and it's like, what? <Laugh> why are you winking at me? Text her in the morning. Except we don't accept text don't faxes.

Kim Schaffer (00:11:22):
Don't call me, text me.

Leo Laporte (00:11:23):
Somebody asked the other day I was doing one of the shows and somebody was in the chat room and they said, what's your fax number? <Laugh> I said, what we don't sorry. Don't have a fax number. Are you

Kim Schaffer (00:11:34):
Sure you don't have a fax number? Do we

Leo Laporte (00:11:35):
Have a fax number?

Kim Schaffer (00:11:36):
I don't know. I just remember the story. When you were buying your house, how you had to go find the fax

Leo Laporte (00:11:41):
Or you yeah, you have to go to a service like some old person who still has a fax machine and charges you 25 cents a page. Ah hello Kim sheer phone angel. The unbreakable phone angel. Wonderful to see you. Did you have a good week? Thanks. Very much. Good.

Kim Schaffer (00:11:55):
<Laugh> yeah. <Laugh> there you go. Cause I was pretty broken this week.

Leo Laporte (00:12:00):
Were you? Yeah. Yeah. I don't even it's like 

Kim Schaffer (00:12:03):
We won't go there. Let's try to keep

Leo Laporte (00:12:06):
Things on the, I I, I, I, I, well I feel like so I, you know, I go back and forth and I decided that you hear enough of it everywhere. You're talking about it everywhere. It's horrible. Horrific. But, but people listen to this show to get their mind off their troubles. They'd rather think about their broken printer

Kim Schaffer (00:12:24):
<Laugh> than the

Leo Laporte (00:12:25):
Broken, I guess this doesn't really get your minds off the troubles. Does it? No, no.

Kim Schaffer (00:12:29):
Cuz broken printers suck too. Just

Leo Laporte (00:12:31):
Not as much. Yeah. Not as much. There's something that we can deal with. Sort of, you know,

Kim Schaffer (00:12:35):
If you have a broken printer, you're blessed.

Leo Laporte (00:12:37):
<Laugh> yeah. These days. Oh, your printer's broken <laugh> yeah. That's yourself. Lucky. Yeah. Oh, who should I? Sorry,

Kim Schaffer (00:12:45):
Let's go to our hello, my favorite ballbuster <laugh> in the chat room.

Leo Laporte (00:12:52):
Can you say that?

Kim Schaffer (00:12:53):
I, I don't know. I hope so.

Leo Laporte (00:12:55):
<Laugh> okay. Professor Laura, who is the arbiter of all things says I've heard it on the morning shows I know

Kim Schaffer (00:13:01):
Commercials, commercials. Who do you think? Who do you think it is?

Leo Laporte (00:13:05):
I don't know who, who

Kim Schaffer (00:13:07):
Was already always trying

Leo Laporte (00:13:08):
To get you. Oh Mike B <laugh> from Piscataway. Thank you, Kim.

Kim Schaffer (00:13:13):
You're welcome.

Leo Laporte (00:13:14):
Hi Mike B from Piscataway New Jersey.

Caller 1 (00:13:17):
Hi Kim, Mike, Mike. You and I will talk later. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:13:20):
Yeah, really? You should yell at, you should yell at her for that. No, you're good. You're you're just reminding me, don't forget your commercials, Leo.

Caller 1 (00:13:29):
I'm just doing my best.

Leo Laporte (00:13:30):
What's up in Mike be's world.

Caller 1 (00:13:33):
So not much, but lately I've been thinking about something. So for the past 40 years we've been using computers based on CPU technology called X 86, which is based on the old Intel 8 86 CPU. So that's correct. Essentially if you're running a computer with windows it's based on X 86. Yeah. Either from arm or Intel. So considering how compatible the 64 bit version of, of windows is these days and given the success of armed processors found on the new apple computers which apple calls apple Silicon plus the recent announcement of project Volera by Microsoft.

Leo Laporte (00:14:18):
Ah, you know, I should have talked about that in my yeah, in my opening, the,

Caller 1 (00:14:23):
The end of x86 after 40 years.

Leo Laporte (00:14:26):
Good question. So Intel wanted to get rid of X 80. You're completely right. Saying it was based on the 80, 86 processor, which was based on the 80, 88, which was in the original 1981. IBM PC mm-hmm <affirmative> there have been some extensions, but basically not much has changed. And you know, that's the God of da of backward compatibility. We don't want to break anything. Intel was going to get away from it. They had a they, they were, they were trying to introduce a new architecture and it failed. So it was called what was it called? Al unobtainium I can't remember Atium titanium. Yeah, IA 64. It was IA 64. And it was, it failed for a number of reasons. A lot of it technical because it, it got very hot, but there were other issues as well, but mostly I would say the real issue with Atium is it didn't have it didn't work with the old stuff.

Leo Laporte (00:15:26):
And so there's intense pressure on Microsoft to keep working with the old stuff. Meanwhile, apple, which is pretty happy to say, yeah, too bad, get a new computer has moved on. They, they weren't even X 86 to begin with. They've moved on now three times. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> they started with a Motorola 68,000 family, which actually was a very nice we're talking about when we're talking about this and Mike knows this, but I'll tell everybody else when we're talking about this, we're talking about what, what they call the architecture of the processor. It's really the, the fundamental commands you can give the processor, you know, at a very low level, most, very few people actually operate at that level. Most of the time you use a programming language that isn't translated into those commands, but the fundamental commands really determine what you can do, what the processor's good at cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Leo Laporte (00:16:13):
And Intel has done a lot of things to make X a 86 faster with things like speculative execution, where they try to guess what you're gonna do next. That actually has turned out to be problematic. They've they've added multiple cores. So in the first IBM PC, you had one processor these days, you might have 10, 20, 30, 2 processors all doing the same thing, but at least splitting up the job. So they've done things to make it more sophisticated. But apple was started with the 68,000. Then they went to the power PC platform from IBM and then they realized powers PC was running outta steam. So they went to Intel. And then of course, very famously a few years ago, they realized Intel was just, as you say, my kind of running outta steam was kind of stuck in the past. So they said, we're gonna go to this newer architecture.

Leo Laporte (00:17:06):
That's called arm arm was actually founded by apple and a bunch of other companies many, many years ago. It's a, it's a different processor architecture. I don't want to get in the weeds of it, but it's a, it's a very different way of operating. And Apple's been really good as these transitions have happened from Motorola to IBM, to Intel and now to arm and its own chips. Apple's been really good at app providing a compatibility layer. So software would kind of, sort of still work. That was, you know, the airplane Microsoft on the other hand gone well, it's going well. <Laugh> well, eh, we'll just keep working with this X 86 thing. You might say, what about AMD X 86? It's all X 86 all the way down. Except that Microsoft does have a version of windows for arm windows on arm.

Leo Laporte (00:17:54):
I like to call it, whoa, <laugh> whoa, windows on arm. And they just announced at the build conference, which was this week, their developer conference that they're gonna offer a black box called ter kinda looks like a Mac mini, and it's gonna run windows on arm. It's not a very high powered box, but it has some interesting actually we don't know how high powered cuz they didn't say anything about price availability or even which arm chip they're gonna use. But it's probably Qualcomm, but we don't know be funny if they used apples <laugh> but that's not gonna happen. So windows on arm is really pretty weak right now. For instance, if you download and run windows on arm, you can even do it on your apple and one processor or

Caller 1 (00:18:35):

Leo Laporte (00:18:35):
Great. A raspberry pie runs great, but <laugh> even the Microsoft apps that come with windows. Some of them don't work cuz they're X 86. They haven't, they haven't translated them. Or we call it, poured them over into arm. And of course, most of the stuff you're used to won't work on arm. You like windows on arm on a Mac. Huh?

Caller 1 (00:18:54):
It ones great on my Mac studio. I'm very surprised how it ones better on my Mac studio than windows in a VM. Does isn't that Intel? Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:19:04):
But do all the Microsoft PA like when I first try to calculator wouldn't work,

Caller 1 (00:19:09):
Everything works, everything works now sort to access, which is known for its X 3 86 processor calls their

Leo Laporte (00:19:16):

Caller 1 (00:19:16):
Yeah. Yeah. Runs flawlessly. I was shocked. I did not expect it to run. So

Leo Laporte (00:19:21):
They've made a lot of progress. So all of office works now on it. And all

Caller 1 (00:19:25):
Yeah. Yeah. Full suite. I could, if, if I put somebody in front of windows full screen on, on my apple Silicon, I said, go ahead and use it. Yes. It's windows 11, but that's

Leo Laporte (00:19:36):
And I should also point out windows

Caller 1 (00:19:37):

Leo Laporte (00:19:38):
There is no official windows on arm version. It's still beta

Caller 1 (00:19:42):

Leo Laporte (00:19:43):
You're running, you're running pre-release software. So that's good that it works. It's

Caller 1 (00:19:47):
You, you would not know.

Leo Laporte (00:19:49):
Yeah. Microsoft's still putting energy into it. I guess the real question is, well, is this mean the future of, of all computing is arm based and that's kind of an unknown? I, I don't know. I really, that's a really interesting question. Intel has done a lot, you know, the most recent version of the Intel processors, the 12th generation processors, Intel's been paying attention to M one, everybody in the marketplace has, that's why our, that's why this project Volera exists. Microsoft's looking at M one going we're we're gonna lose all our developers to max. So they're saying, what can we do? Intel has added performance, what they call performance course and a high efficiency course to their 12th generation processors. And in fact it seems to have improved them quite a bit. I've ordered one, they just came out. I ordered a Dell.

Leo Laporte (00:20:36):
It should come any day now. I'll let you know. But the rumors are Intel is at least they move glacially, but they're moving at least in response to M one. And maybe they're gonna, maybe they're gonna have something. So maybe Intel, maybe X 86 is what I'm saying. It has not run outta steam yet. It's a hard to say. There's a lot of pressure. There's a lot of pressure to keep it going because all the developers who've written X 86. It's not, it's not an easy thing to turn it into an arm thing. I mean there's stuff you gotta do. It's kind of work. So I don't, I don't, I don't know. What do you, what do you think?

Caller 1 (00:21:14):
I, again, that's why I wanted your opinion because if you ever watch the people on YouTube, they think this may be the death now of X 86.

Leo Laporte (00:21:22):
Remember though the people on YouTube, it's all about, it's all about getting clicks and getting the algorithm to promote you. So I, I don't everything you hear on YouTube is all about eyeballs, not about facts or real deep analysis. I don't, I don't know if, if, if it's clear, I think X 86 has a lot of staying power. Intel's not gonna let it go. They've even made noise and they did license the arm architecture, but they're not gonna let it go. I think, I think there's some steam left in the old engine. Leo Laporte, the tech guy. Thanks Mike. Nice to talk to you.

Leo Laporte (00:21:58):
So yeah. So everything works on your, I know you're oh, he hung up. Well, he's still listening. I know, I know you're a fan of the X 86. I mean, of the windows on arm on on the Mac. I ran a, you know, an early on, I don't have much need. No, that's okay. I know you're here. I don't have much need to use windows. <Laugh> I'm happy to say what I've probably what, certainly not on my M one. What I, what I did you get an M one? Did you get the studio max or the ultra? What'd you get Mike? I'm very happy with my max. I don't see Lisa's ultra being a whole heck of a lot faster.

Leo Laporte (00:22:47):
Well, I got the, this Dell is gonna be a windows machine until I, you got the max. Yeah. That's what I'm. That's what I'm using. I like it a lot. You're right. It's great. I just don't feel a lot of reason to put, well, I guess if you wanted to use access. Oh, Doug, you got the ultra. Wow. Yeah. A little, a little overkill. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think also Apple's huge lead now with M one is not gonna, not gonna last forever. Oh, there's Scott Wilkinson. Hello Scott. Hello, Leo. I have a question to ask you. Yes. So Joanna does. Yeah. Is she, is she a singing teacher or a voice coach? You know, there, there's a good question there. Cause I need a voice coach. Oh, she is a voice coach. Okay. I wanna hire her. That's exactly what she, okay. So the fantastic. This is how it came up. So my daughter has nodes. She went to an ENT. She,

Scott Wilkinson (00:23:45):
Oh yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:23:46):
When she was in high school, they did Bacan singing. That really heard her voice mm-hmm <affirmative>. And now that she's doing standup, but she's always been very talkative anyway. <Laugh> and she's got nodes. And so she's trying desperately to voice rest and she's, and she's gonna end up going to a, a voice coach, but I,

Scott Wilkinson (00:24:03):
This is Joanna's specialty

Leo Laporte (00:24:04):
Actually. Well, and it may, it may, and I'll refer to Joanna too, but it made me think I've never done anything along those lines and what, you know, what I'm concerned about. I don't, I've not had any bad symptoms or anything. I don't have nodes and I don't get ho and I, you know, I think I'm okay, but I also have no training and I thought maybe it'd be time to, to pay attention to that. Especially as I get older, cuz what I don't want. You hear it all the time is people age, their voice gets thin.

Scott Wilkinson (00:24:33):
Oh absolutely. And that's a that's

Leo Laporte (00:24:34):
Is that avoidable?

Scott Wilkinson (00:24:37):
Yes it is. It is. But it's such a common problem.

Leo Laporte (00:24:41):
I don't want, I want to keep using my, my, this is my only frankly course my only ability

Scott Wilkinson (00:24:46):

Leo Laporte (00:24:47):
So I realize how foolish I have been, you know, not taking this seriously over the last 40 years, so good. Sure. So email me with her and I presume she does it over Skype or whatever. So I don't have doing, she doesn't have to be in person.

Scott Wilkinson (00:25:01):

Leo Laporte (00:25:03):
I mean, if she thought it'd be better to do somebody in person, I, I don't think it would be well

Scott Wilkinson (00:25:06):
We're we're not that far away.

Leo Laporte (00:25:07):
We can. I'm not going to Santa Cruz. <Laugh>

Scott Wilkinson (00:25:10):
No, no, no. We'll drive up there.

Leo Laporte (00:25:11):
Although our son is in Santa Cruz right now for a wedding.

Scott Wilkinson (00:25:14):
Oh, no kidding.

Leo Laporte (00:25:15):
Cool. Yeah. Michael good. Please send me a I'll and let her know that I in touch with her. Yeah. Cause I would do I would like to do regular I need to learn. I need training, you know? Oh she's I don't do vocal warmups or anything. I wanna protect my voice, you

Scott Wilkinson (00:25:31):
Know? Oh yeah. Oh man. That's so cool.

Leo Laporte (00:25:34):
I should have thought of this. Haven't been

Scott Wilkinson (00:25:35):
Aware of this.

Leo Laporte (00:25:36):
So stupid of me. <Laugh> Abby, we drove down to San Francisco and she made me cuz I said you can't talk. So she made me listen to her podcasts about vocal nodes and training and stuff. And oh, then I started looking more and I thought I should be doing Joan

Scott Wilkinson (00:25:54):
Has that. Joanna has.

Leo Laporte (00:25:55):
So I need Joan. Joanna

Scott Wilkinson (00:25:56):
Will be able to help you. Absolutely. She gives

Leo Laporte (00:25:58):
Does all that stuff. And I do wanna keep my, I want to keep my voice as long as I can. I don't wanna

Scott Wilkinson (00:26:05):

Leo Laporte (00:26:06):
And so she gonna tell me to smoke and drink scotch

Scott Wilkinson (00:26:09):
<Laugh> no. No.

Leo Laporte (00:26:10):
Okay. Just

Scott Wilkinson (00:26:11):

Leo Laporte (00:26:13):
That's how you get that deep, powerful LASO profundo

Scott Wilkinson (00:26:18):
For a

Leo Laporte (00:26:19):
While for a brief period. Yes

Scott Wilkinson (00:26:20):
<Laugh> yes. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:26:25):
It's time for our hipster. Mr. Scott, Mr. Scott Wilkinson he of the wonderful laugh. Every week he joins us to talk home theater, flat screens, surround sound, all that jazz. I was watching last night, apple TV launched this week. A new show. It's a nature show called prehistoric planet.

Scott Wilkinson (00:26:50):
I've seen it on, on the apple TV. I haven't watched it yet. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:26:54):
It's it good. David Attenborough. The guy who did planet earth narrates it, but it's about CG. It's you know, it's computer generated dinosaurs,

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:02):

Leo Laporte (00:27:03):
It's very realistic. You feel like, you know, the Ty dinosaurs Rex comes to feed it's young <laugh> and it's like what? The what? But then I realized I was watching it on R 4k. Oh, led cuz it's HDR. It really looks gorgeous as does BBC's planet earth two and all the other stuff designed.

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:21):
Oh yeah. Planet earth two is a great test material. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:27:24):
But I realized nature programming is the best. It puts me right out.

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:31):
<Laugh> I, we started, you're having trouble sleeping. Put

Leo Laporte (00:27:34):
Me on down. Attenberg

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:35):

Leo Laporte (00:27:35):
On the couch, I'm watching it. And then it's over. And Lisa said, you snort the whole time. I said, no, I missed it,

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:44):
Man. You sounded like a T-Rex

Leo Laporte (00:27:45):
But just like planet earth. I think it's gonna end up being the, you know, the content people, at least the streaming content people play to show off their fancy Ts.

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:53):
Sure. Oh, I'm sure that's true.

Leo Laporte (00:27:55):
And then OB one is I can't is coming 4k HDR Doby around,

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:59):
Man. Can't wait for that. That's gonna be awesome. I gotta tell you the show that I've started to really get into. I just started watching on paramount plus is star Trek, strange new worlds.

Leo Laporte (00:28:09):
Yeah. Is that I, I watched the first one and it reminds me so much of the old original star Trek.

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:16):
Exactly. It brought me back to the original star Trek, even better. They, they bring in so many of the characters from the original series.

Leo Laporte (00:28:25):
What cracks me in

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:26):
Their younger days

Leo Laporte (00:28:27):
Is this is kind of a retro style because each show is self-contained it has a beginning, middle and end.

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:34):

Leo Laporte (00:28:35):
And you're done. And we don't do that anymore. Every show

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:38):

Leo Laporte (00:28:38):
Know maybe not maybe network television sometimes does, but you know, if you're watching shows on, on any other Hulu, Netflix, peacock, whatever they

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:46):
Have these long

Leo Laporte (00:28:47):
Story, you know, better, better call Saul. Yeah. Now I have to wait six from the beginning. Yeah. Yeah. If you don't watch it from the that's the other thing, if you don't watch it from the beginning, you have no idea what's going on.

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:58):
That's right.

Leo Laporte (00:28:59):
So I'm kind of fun to have a show that you could just turn, turn, watch one episode and go yep. I'm done.

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:05):
Yeah. Right, right. And it's really well done and it looks great too.

Leo Laporte (00:29:09):
Yeah. The seat cuz the old star Trek. I mean let's face

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:12):
It. Oh man. You know the, the kitchen utensil in the sixties for sensors. Yeah, yeah. <Laugh> yeah. Salt shakers for, for, for a medical

Leo Laporte (00:29:20):
Scanner. They did the best they can, but you know, they could

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, this, this really looks great. And I just finished the second episode. There are four currently on paramount plus they're adding one every Thursday and I just got through the first two and the second one was just so sweet and, and wonderful with music being a central element of the, of the plot. Yeah. So I was so happy about that.

Leo Laporte (00:29:47):
It's kind of fun at the beginning. I'm waiting to see, are they gonna do space? The final frontier? Yeah they

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:53):

Leo Laporte (00:29:55):
And they sort of, I mean the music's a little too,

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:58):
But it's the, music's a little, it's a callback. And then they borrow from the original Alexander, which is pur, which yeah. Which is cool. Yeah. And nurse chapel is there Aurura is there as a cadet Spock of course. Lieutenant

Leo Laporte (00:30:10):

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:11):
Yes. Sam Kirk.

Leo Laporte (00:30:13):
It's his, his brother.

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:14):
His father or father?

Leo Laporte (00:30:15):
His brother. His

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:15):
Father. It's his brother. No, his, I think you're right, because

Leo Laporte (00:30:18):
It's not too distant in the, of a prequel.

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:20):
No, no, exactly. Exactly. Anyway, I don't,

Leo Laporte (00:30:23):

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:23):

Leo Laporte (00:30:24):
Your segment isn't isn't like what's new on TV. I mean we could well true. We could certainly do that, but <laugh>

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:30):

Leo Laporte (00:30:30):
But it would, but what I want, it's good to talk about stuff that will show off your nice new TV.

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:35):
Exactly, exactly. And, and prehistoric what is it called? Prehistoric earth. 

Leo Laporte (00:30:40):
Yeah. Prehistoric planet. Yeah.

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:41):
Planet. Yeah. It's quite good. Very good. I'm looking forward to checking that out.

Leo Laporte (00:30:45):
That was kind of interesting. They ran that Monday through Friday, new episode every day, this week and now you can watch all five of them, but it was, it was interesting.

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:53):
Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Well, what I wanted to talk about today was actually a really old problem that I'm amazed how many emails I get about this. People want to be able to do what you used to be able to do with an AV receiver, which is hook in an external equalizer.

Leo Laporte (00:31:12):
Oh my remember that?

Scott Wilkinson (00:31:14):
Remember these?

Leo Laporte (00:31:14):
Yeah. Yeah. Somebody would have a component stereo, you know, your friend who was like an audio file. Yeah. And they would have a rack of things. Exactly. And one of them would have these sliders.

Scott Wilkinson (00:31:23):

Leo Laporte (00:31:24):
And he said, don't touch that. That's that's exactly the right shape the way I want it.

Scott Wilkinson (00:31:28):
Exactly. That's how I want it. Exactly. And what this, what an equalizer does is it lets you contour or tweak the frequency profile of the sound. So you can boost certain frequencies and cut certain frequencies. And people used to do this all the time with these component stereo systems. You, you could hook in this separate box as equalizer into your stereo system, which would typically consist of a pre amp and a power amp separately. These are called separate systems. And that was easy to do, but people wanna do it with their AV receivers. And, and I'm amazed at how many emails I get on this and how do I do that? Well, in the old days, in the old, in

Leo Laporte (00:32:12):
The old days, couple years ago,

Scott Wilkinson (00:32:13):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. AV receivers had something called a tape loop, which was meant to connect a recording device like a cassette deck or a reel to real recorder. And you could record anything that you had selected on your, a, B or receiver

Leo Laporte (00:32:34):
For how much? For how long.

Scott Wilkinson (00:32:37):
Oh. As long as your, your tape was.

Leo Laporte (00:32:39):
Yeah. A minute. Well, but

Scott Wilkinson (00:32:41):
I mean how these were, these were available for quite some time.

Leo Laporte (00:32:44):
If it's a loop, it starts over at some point and you have, and you're gonna

Scott Wilkinson (00:32:49):
Right. I'm not sure I understand your

Leo Laporte (00:32:50):
Question. Oh, I misunderstood. Go ahead. Keep no, keep talking. I'll so basically I'll shut up. <Laugh>

Scott Wilkinson (00:32:55):
Basically it takes whatever you've selected. Like you say your record player or your CD player, it takes that analog signal sends it out to the tape deck. Yeah. And then brings it back in.

Leo Laporte (00:33:06):
Yeah. The loop is like 30 seconds or something.

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:09):
No, it's not, it's not a, it doesn't

Leo Laporte (00:33:10):
Have a time. Has nothing to do with it. <Laugh>

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:12):
It has nothing to do with time. Oh, it's

Leo Laporte (00:33:14):
Just, it's just going through a tape machine. Yeah. I used to do that. Yeah.

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:17):
Yeah. Going through a tape machine and coming back in. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:33:19):
Yeah. Okay. Why would you do that?

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:22):
Because you wanna record you know, your you're

Leo Laporte (00:33:24):
Monitoring as while you're recording you're here. You wanna listen to it and recorded. Okay. Correct.

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:29):
Now what in, instead of a tape machine, you could attach an EQ.

Leo Laporte (00:33:35):
Ah, I get where you're

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:36):
Going, the EQ devices. Okay. To that tape loop. Right. Which is no longer a tape loop. It's now an EQ loop.

Leo Laporte (00:33:42):

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:44):
And then you could tweak the, the frequencies that you wanted to tweak and get the sound the way you wanted it. Modern AV receivers. Don't have tape loop.

Leo Laporte (00:33:53):
It's all in software.

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:55):
Yeah. Right, exactly. Right. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:33:58):
They don't have tape loops. You couldn't like, no, that's funny.

Scott Wilkinson (00:34:01):
No, they

Leo Laporte (00:34:01):
Don't. Somebody must make a receiver with a,

Scott Wilkinson (00:34:03):
They do, you can still

Leo Laporte (00:34:05):
Get this. They might call pass through is what was a more modern term. Well,

Scott Wilkinson (00:34:09):
Right. And in some cases, in a few cases you have what are called pre outs. That is the pre amp out from the receiver. Yeah. And in very rare cases, you have power amp inputs for all the channels. So that essentially forms a loop. Right. But the better solution, if you really want to do this, you're probably gonna be listening to stereo music anyway, because these EQs are stereo they're too channel typically. Yeah. Yeah. And so you need to get a stereo receiver and if you get a stereo, most stereo receivers of the few that there are still remaining have this capability. The one that I found in doing some research for this was from a company called outlaw audio, which is an online sales company. They don't sell in stores. I don't think it's all, you know.

Leo Laporte (00:35:00):
Well they're Outlaws you can't. Yeah.

Scott Wilkinson (00:35:01):
They're Outlaws. Yeah, exactly. <Laugh> anyway, they have they're at R R 2160 stereo receiver has a, has an external processor in and

Leo Laporte (00:35:14):
Out. Nice.

Scott Wilkinson (00:35:15):
Which lets you do exactly this. If you have an external EQ and I'm

Leo Laporte (00:35:21):
Amazed, apparently some people do.

Scott Wilkinson (00:35:23):
Yeah. That's a stereo. You can hook it up into this and it works perfectly.

Leo Laporte (00:35:29):
<Laugh> all five of you now have a solution old school that is very old school. Scott Wilkinson he's forum watches podcast and join him every week here. Leo LaPorte tech guy,

Scott Wilkinson (00:35:52):
Zonk. I forgot. I was gonna mention my latest podcast is up with Joe Kane.

Leo Laporte (00:35:57):
Oh you got Joe back I Joe back

Scott Wilkinson (00:36:01):
And man, he's great. He is so smart and so knowledgeable and we just did it last Tuesday and it's up there now. Youtube.Com/Avs forum. So go, go check it out.

Leo Laporte (00:36:13):
All right. I'm going right now.

Scott Wilkinson (00:36:15):
<Laugh> I I'll remind you this again, but June 12th I will not be here. I will be in Cleveland, Ohio attending the wedding of Joanna's nephew. Nice.

Leo Laporte (00:36:33):
June 12th. All right. We'll make a note of that.

Scott Wilkinson (00:36:35):
Yeah, but I'll, I'll remind you again when the time comes. In fact that Saturday we will be celebrating the wedding of David and faith with a lot of Joanna's family there, which I hardly ever get to see cuz they're all on the east coast anyway. Hello, everybody. So nice to see you all. Hey you Jay, thank you. Watched the show with Joe Kane. Looking forward to part two. That's gonna come up later. We're we'll have a few other people on before that, but Joe's got so much to say. In fact, we, he and I went over what we were gonna talk about a day or two before the show. And then at the show we ended up not talking about any of that stuff, cuz he had so much else to say <laugh> so it's gonna be it's gonna be a lot of fun there.

Scott Wilkinson (00:37:33):
Let's see. Gumby says I have a nice techniques. SL 1200 M 3d turntable. Very nice. Nothing else wanna listen to my vinyl? I would too. If I had a turntable like that I would also like to be able to listen to AMM, FM and stream Bluetooth audio plug in a USB drive and MP3s and blah, blah, blah. Got any ideas. Well I think this outlaw audio stereo, you probably wanna stereo receiver. It sounds like what you really wanna do is listen to music. And so I would recommend a stereo receiver and the outlaw. It's the R R 2160 mark two is the current version. Let me just let me, I had, I had it pulled up. Yeah. 2160 mark. Two R R 2160 mark two. They call it a stereo retro receiver. Now the only question is, does it have Bluetooth and USB? Let me just take a quick look at the back panel here. There's the front panel. You I'm looking at the manual here. It's got ethernet. It does have a USB port. Oh USB play and upgrader. Oh, that's interesting. So they'll upgrade the firmware with USB, but looks like you can also play USB speed.

Scott Wilkinson (00:38:56):
Does it have Bluetooth? Let me look for Bluetooth. Mike Heis would know this if Mike, if you're in the chat room. Yep. Scott Bluetooth. Oh it, it says adapter or dongle satellite or, huh. Okay. Hmm. It might not have Bluetooth built in. I'm not a hundred percent sure about that. Mike, are you in the chat room? Let me see if Mike's in the chat room. He would know for sure. Yes. Mike is in the chat room. So Mike, if you're listening, does the outlaw R R 2160 have Bluetooth. Anyway, I, I would recommend that it's not cheap. It's like almost a thousand bucks. So sorry. <Affirmative> thank you, loquacious. I hope to have a good trip too.

Leo Laporte (00:39:55):
All right, Scott, stick around for the top.

Scott Wilkinson (00:39:57):
You betcha.

Leo Laporte (00:39:58):
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Caller 2 (00:43:38):
Hello? Hello? Yeah. I have a problem with my Samsung system. I got their own, their, their own voice bar.

Leo Laporte (00:43:48):

Caller 2 (00:43:49):
And it seems like all late model movies. I'm hearing them in lip reading.

Leo Laporte (00:43:56):
You don't, you don't hear the voice at all.

Caller 2 (00:43:58):
No, I can hear it, but I just have to guess if it's an old remove. I know what it's about, but I, if any movies, like I watched the movie never made 1939. I almost had to turn down the sound. Yeah, I'm definitely hard of hearing, but it was so much better. And then liker programs on the television. I can hear it. Perfect. Yeah. It may be loud for somebody else, but when it comes to all these movies, is it their fault or something in my system?

Leo Laporte (00:44:32):
It's a little bit of both. What movie were you watching from 1939.

Caller 2 (00:44:36):
It was a Wallace Barry movie about a sub.

Leo Laporte (00:44:38):
I love Wallace Barry.

Caller 2 (00:44:40):
Well, this, this time, this movie he should have died and then bought a better met <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (00:44:46):
Oh, well, you know,

Caller 2 (00:44:47):
Cause he became a hero in the most fantastic way you ever,

Leo Laporte (00:44:51):
Well, you know, that's one thing. Movies may be a little more realistic than they were in the thirties. I don't know. I I I subscribe to the criterion channel, cuz they have such great old movies and of course there's Turner classic. I love those old movies, but you're right. The sound is very different. Those old movies weren't even stereo. They were mono. Yeah. So they had one channel, everything was in one channel. And so when they mix it, they still had to mix it. You know, they record the music separately. They record the voices separately. They might have a Foley artist doing background. So they have multiple channels, but they mix it all down into one channel. Yeah. And when they're mixing it, there's a person listening to one speaker who turns up the voice, turns down the footsteps, turns the music up and down.

Leo Laporte (00:45:35):
Make sure you can hear the voice cuz dialogues probably the most important part of all of that stuff in the mix. And they're mixing it for one channel. Now, modern movies are mixed for multiple channels. Scott, how many typically what is, what is a Doby? If you're watching a modern movie, it's what 7, 8, 9 channels is it? Well six 5.1 is at least six, a Suber at least six left and five main channels Suber. Left sound right? Sound. That's stereo. There's a, and this, and this is what's important for you Jerry. There's a center channel. That's where the dialogue the voices are going. Yeah. Yep. They may also have surrounds. They always have a two surround at least two channels. Yeah. Those are at your right. Rightly right. About where your ears are.

Caller 2 (00:46:19):
But then another scene to be a problem. The voices don't match the lips.

Leo Laporte (00:46:24):
Okay. Well that's another problem. That's a separate problem. <Laugh> that's a separate problem. Problem. We'll solve the voice problem first, which is yeah. And most TVs or sound systems will and, and probably your sound bar, your Samsung sound bar. There'll be a setting in there to boost the center channel. So for you and you know, I'm a little hard of hearing too. So I, Lisa will always yell. And at me when I'm listening, cause I'll listen pretty loud on my TV and I'll turn it down. But this doesn't turn up all the sounds. If you were watching a Wallace Barry movie, it would because there's one channel, but on the, on modern movies where there's, there's a separate channel for the voice you want to turn up, it's called the center channel and you wanna boost that and you might boost, it depends on how in your hearing one or two or three or more DB, you'll still hear the background noise, but the voice will be louder. That's nice. Cuz people, other people in the house, won't also won't say, Hey, what are you listening to that so loud for? But why,

Caller 2 (00:47:18):
But why do you have to have to be electric or genius of this electronics just to buy a TV and you turn it on.

Leo Laporte (00:47:26):
And I know because it's not 1939, Jerry. Well, whatever <laugh>

Caller 2 (00:47:33):
Accomplish more stuff that you have to buy, oh, to listening to it. We,

Leo Laporte (00:47:38):
We live in and you probably noticed this. We, we kinda live in a world of, I don't, I don't wanna say a bad word, but we kinda live in a world where there's a lot of junk, shall we say?

Caller 2 (00:47:48):
But you

Leo Laporte (00:47:48):
It's all junked up.

Caller 2 (00:47:50):
You talk some guy about music. He listens to it. Yeah. Now you want beautiful music. You buy a Gerard record changer and you buy a harm card receipt shut up and you get listed beautiful music.

Leo Laporte (00:48:02):
And now we're 1979. So good job. We've 40 years later. So unfortunately you don't have, if you're gonna do a sound bar, this is a very, you know, that thing's a computer it's, it's, it's all sorts of stuff going on in there. There will be a setting on there. Sometimes they call it voice clarity, same thing. There will be a set setting to improve the center channel for you. So that's the first thing you're gonna do now. Lip sync. That's a whole nother problem. And that's actually kind of complicated. The TV though will look in your TV menu and there'll be a setting. One thing that's also a problem in this modern day and age of junk is nobody calls everything, anything the same. That's right. So it's the center channel, but no, no, we can't call it that marketing says it's voice clarity and oh, you know, I want to approve, I wanna fix the lip sync.

Leo Laporte (00:48:58):
Oh no marketing says we can't call it that at that <laugh> so they make up some name that I don't know what it is cuz it's different for every manufacturer. I don't know. What is it? Audio, video delay, delay, or you know, but the, but the reason that happens, we've talked about this before. It's very common now is that it takes you more time to everything's compressed when it gets to you, they have to decompress it to show it takes you much more time to decompress, video than audio. So audio's always there sooner. So what you're really gonna be doing is slowing down the audio and, and sometimes it's by seconds, usually it's by frames. You just nudge it milliseconds, milliseconds. Yeah. But you just nudge it until you get, until you get to the match. Here's the other problem. There's no one setting. So that wall spirit, movie's probably gonna be perfect no matter what. And so if you say, if you nudge it over to left the wall now suddenly Wallace be's behind. So while other things are in sync. Yeah. So it's really annoying. Yeah. It really is. I agree. Yeah. And I get this call a lot and Jerry, I'm sorry. I, you know, I love any sub movie. What's your favorite sub movie Jerry?

Caller 2 (00:50:09):
Well, I don't know.

Leo Laporte (00:50:11):
I like hunt for red October times.

Caller 2 (00:50:13):
I've watched casino.

Leo Laporte (00:50:14):
Casino's a great movie. That's a modern movie. Yeah. Do you like hunt for red October? Cuz to me that's the best one,

Caller 2 (00:50:20):
But it's it, it, I can hear that one. I hear everything else on

Leo Laporte (00:50:26):
TV. It's the more modern stuff is what it is. Well,

Caller 2 (00:50:29):
I dunno how modern some of these movies are. Cause I about, I don't go to movies much,

Leo Laporte (00:50:34):
But so there was an article at slash and I'll put a link in the show notes to this explaining the many reasons this happens and it, and in some of it is what we just described, which is this issue of it's mixed for a movie theater with many, many speakers. But some of it also is the fault of the movie maker. The, the person who's in charge of recording the dialogue, the sound recordist is not often the high person on the totem pole. <Laugh> so a director, a lot of directors, you know, Robert Altman started this trend. Many directors want the audio to sound more natural. So when people mumble, a lot of actors wanna be naturalistic. They mumble this, the sound record his job to say, oh wait, hold on. We couldn't hear him in that take. And then the director should say, oh yeah, we better.

Leo Laporte (00:51:30):
No, all the director says, well, fix it in post, moving on. And so it's up to then the people at the end of the chain to say, well, how are we gonna get this voice outta here? Sometimes they do it. Sometimes they don't. Sometimes the director says you will not fix this. You know, Robert Alman started this trend with McCabe and Mrs. Miller. You wanna watch <laugh> Jerry, you wanna watch a great movie that you cannot understand the dialogue mash. He did mash as well. That was very famous. You know, radar, O'Reilly talking under his, under his voice while Hawkeye saying something and there's, you know, 14 different, you know, voice channels going on at once. And it's cuz they wanted to sound like real life. But Christopher

Scott Wilkinson (00:52:10):
Nolan's that

Leo Laporte (00:52:11):
Way too Nolan is, is the latest offender. Yeah. All of his stuff is that way. So Jerry, you're not alone. I'm sorry. Run silent, run deep. That's good. Gotta vote for operation petty coat. Okay. No, no.

Leo Laporte (00:52:36):

Leo Laporte (00:52:39):
And now ladies and gentlemen, it's the return of Scott Wilkinson. Woohoo.

Scott Wilkinson (00:52:44):
I was trying to think of that. U-Boat movie

Leo Laporte (00:52:47):
Dos boots, dos boots, dos boots. That's a amazing movie, but really I'm sorry. I'm gonna say hunt for red October because hunt

Scott Wilkinson (00:52:56):
For October is

Leo Laporte (00:52:57):
A great Sean Connery going when Cortez arrived in the new world.

Scott Wilkinson (00:53:01):
<Laugh> <laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:53:02):
You burned those bolts. It's a really great, really a great movie. Yeah. Ice station zebra was pretty good. They're a lot of good. Some Marines make good movies. You know why the sets are cheap.

Scott Wilkinson (00:53:14):
<Laugh> the sets are cheap. You only need one set.

Leo Laporte (00:53:16):
They're cheap. <Laugh> all right. All yours.

Scott Wilkinson (00:53:21):
Okay. Thank you. Now. twisted, Mr. Made a point earlier that I wanted to bring up and make sure that everybody understood tape loop in the old days tape loop was before the volume control, but the pre out main in loop is typically after the volume control. So you could really blow up the amplifier if you weren't careful. So that is a very good point. I'm pretty sure. I, again, Mike, Mike Heis are you, are you listening? I think the outlaw, I would hope that the outlaw external processor loop is before the volume control. <Laugh> Titus, am I bringing a tuba to the wedding? No, <laugh> sadly not. We are flying and it's very difficult to fly with a tuba. I could bring an Alto horn. That's a very small tuba. But no, I'm just going as a, as a as an observer, as a member of those who will witness the blessed event.

Scott Wilkinson (00:54:28):
R Chandra. Yes. It's the R R 2160 mark two, I believe is the current incarnation. But Dr. Mom, grandma, no, I'm not gonna play the horror on the tuba for the wedding couple sadly. I wish I could. I would love to be able to do that. I, I don't believe the wedding is gonna be a Jewish wedding. It might in fact be a Dred wedding. That'll be interesting. I'm not sure, but I do know that that the nephew is into some sort of pagan thing. So that could be, I think that's gonna be really cool.

Scott Wilkinson (00:55:07):
Thank you, graveyard tuba. I am really glad to be back in the podcast biz as well. Absolutely. So let's see here. Who else have we got? Doug, em says, are there room mics that could auto adjust sync with video? Like the AVR balance mics? It's all numbers. Well, that's true. I'm not sure. I oh, oh, I see what you mean in the auto calibration. I wonder if they, well, do they, would they, how could they do auto sync? That's a very good question. Somehow the system would have to be aware of a video impulse, a video, like a flashlight that's coincidence with a click and

Leo Laporte (00:56:02):
Oh, you have time code. I mean, there's, you could make sure that the audio and video time code coincided.

Scott Wilkinson (00:56:08):
Well, that's true. But do, do they, does the AV receiver general?

Leo Laporte (00:56:12):
No, it doesn't see time code it. Doesn't see it. Yeah. Yeah. You'd have send it down the line.

Scott Wilkinson (00:56:16):
Yeah, exactly. I think arch, Chandre asking about you know, could you, during the auto calibration process, the room calibration process, like Odyssey or direct or M CCC for pioneer you know, could they automatically set the, the delay? It's a, and it's a pretty good question. What you mentioned before though is also correct. It's not gonna be consistent from one program to another the necessarily, so, so that's a problem as well. Let's see, twisted, Mr. Did I see the HDT test vid video on YouTube are Q D O led. Samsung is pulling a diesel gate. <Laugh> detecting 5%, 10%, 15% cetera on displaying, perfect color tracking at 9 11, 14 and 16. It blows out the colors. What I have I haven't seen that video, but you're you're you have peaked my curiosity. No question about it. I do know that there has been a lot of online chatter on regards to QD led about the unorthodox sub pixel structure.

Scott Wilkinson (00:57:36):
So instead of having red, green, and blue subpixels right next to each other, they're, they're forming a little triangle and some people claim that this causes color fringing on sharp borders between colors. Sometimes most of the people that I trust ha that have seen it have said, ah, I don't really see it. At least not on regular material. You might see it on a test pattern. But this one I had not heard of Samsung is pulling a diesel gate, indeed detecting five, 10 and 50. Well, you know what I twisted Mr. I'm gonna have to look into that, cuz that's a very interesting question, blowing out the colors at certain percentages, but not others. That's very strange.

Scott Wilkinson (00:58:25):
The Soo the writer. Yes. When I get back, I will let you know if, if it is in fact a drew, a wedding Doug M time code with delay numbers from the mic. Well, but without, again, without being aware, without the system being aware of the video and the delay or the Delta between the video image and the corresponding audio signal, the there's there's, there's nothing you can do. Web 73 50, how's the new soundbar doing? Well, I haven't gotten it yet. Visio is, has said they would send me one and I haven't gotten it yet. I'm getting a little teed off about that.

Scott Wilkinson (00:59:12):
Twisted, Mr. It was posted a few days ago. Color tracking goes completely off the rails. Once it detects it's not being tested. What, how can it detect, it's not being tested. I don't get that. I guess it, it, it does it know that tests are at 5, 10, 15, 20%. And so if it's not five, 10 or 15 or 20% or whatever then it goes off the rails. That seems so weird. I will definitely look, look into that. Thanks for letting me know that it's on YouTube and it was posted a few days ago. I will definitely check that out. Our Chandra, anything with a processing loop, that's a little more budget friendly. Yeah. The outlaw is, is very good, but it thousand bucks. Yeah, exactly. Just look for, look at other stereo receivers. Yamaha makes 'em, I'm pretty sure they're less expensive. In fact, I was looking at what was I looking at Yamaha? It's called the RX 3 97. There's a 4 97 and a 7 97. The so look at other stereo receivers and they would be more likely to have a tape loop for an effects processor loop. Although I think outlaw may be the only one that does that, that calls it that anyway.

Scott Wilkinson (01:00:46):
Loquacious. Yes. I will certainly take some photos there at the wedding. That will be I will be a lot of fun. Let's see. Beat master says the frequent use of ADR automatic dialogue replacement will prevent actual good lip sync. Well that's, that is true. It's very hard to actually get automatic dialogue replacement is also called looping. Interestingly it's where the actor goes into the studio. After the shot watches the video and re replaces their speaking, their dialogue in the studio after the fact, and they try to match up their, their lips with what they actually said on set when they were shot with video they try to match it up perfectly, but that's really hard to do. I think we're probably getting to the point here where we're about to start. Oh, there's another possible question on the, on the line for me says, says, Kim I'll stick around.

Leo Laporte (01:01:58):
Well, Hey, Hey. Hey, how are you today? Leo Laportee here. The tech guy, time to talk computers, the internet, home theater, digital photography, smartphone smart watches, all that jazz. Eighty eight eighty eight ask Leo that's the phone number? (888) 827-5536. Toll free from anywhere in the us or Canada show notes are a tech guy, I'll put the link to the article. Good article I thought in on slash Here's why movie dialogue has gotten more difficult to understand, and it's a bunch of reasons. And three things you can do to make it better. It's the acting. It's the director <laugh> sound. Isn't respected on sets. There's a technology issue. Blah. There's a few good reasons. It's mixed for cinemas or streaming. And there's lots of things that can go wrong. Obviously eighty eight, eighty eight, ask Leo the phone number back to the phones. We go on the line, Marilyn in Los Angeles. I think Scott has stuck around because Marilyn, you wanna know about sound bars.

Caller 3 (01:03:12):
Yeah. I have the last Samsung plasma TV and <laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:03:17):
Don't LA now do no. Wait a minute. I have to, excuse me. I, I have to, I'm sorry. I have to spank. I'm sorry. I have to spank.

Scott Wilkinson (01:03:23):
You have to spank. Do not

Leo Laporte (01:03:24):
Laugh at her. <Laugh>

Scott Wilkinson (01:03:26):
Hey, I'm glad you still have a plasma. No. Yeah. Really TVs are great.

Leo Laporte (01:03:30):
We have one too. We kept it for that because I like

Scott Wilkinson (01:03:33):
So do I? Yeah. So do I,

Leo Laporte (01:03:35):
So we're not laughing in Maryland,

Scott Wilkinson (01:03:37):
Not at you. Just I know. Hey, plasma's still around <laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:03:41):
So what can we do to help you with your nice old team?

Caller 3 (01:03:43):
It's literally the last one in LA <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (01:03:46):

Caller 3 (01:03:47):
It's a 53 50 and the sound has always been mushy

Leo Laporte (01:03:53):
Soft. Well that's cuz you're using the sound from the TV,

Caller 3 (01:03:56):

Leo Laporte (01:03:57):

Caller 3 (01:03:58):
That's it's on, it's on clear voice.

Leo Laporte (01:04:01):
I don't know why. Maybe Scott, does companies still put speakers in their TVs because they, oh

Scott Wilkinson (01:04:07):
Yeah. They want, they want you to be able to take the TV out of the box, plug it in. Right.

Leo Laporte (01:04:13):
And they know people would call up and say, well, I can't hear anything, but they never really intended for you to use those speakers. They're terrible. They're

Scott Wilkinson (01:04:20):
So crappy. <Laugh>

Caller 3 (01:04:22):
Well, the sound is fine on my Samsung smart TV, but not on the plasma really. So it's kind of muddy.

Scott Wilkinson (01:04:32):
All right.

Leo Laporte (01:04:32):
Yeah. And that's the other problem is that you know, different TVs have some TVs have better sound than others, right. You know, they're never, they never, I think they don't expect people, especially with higher end TVs like plasma. They don't really expect them to be using those speakers that you think you're gonna probably go out and, you know, buy a sound bar at the very least.

Caller 3 (01:04:51):
Well, I have a space issue. So I'm looking for just a simple sound bar. It doesn't have to be high fidelity for, you know, surround sound or

Leo Laporte (01:05:02):
I think even a hundred dollars sound bar will sound much better than you're

Scott Wilkinson (01:05:06):
Team. Absolutely. Totally agree.

Caller 3 (01:05:08):
Now some of them require different connectors.

Leo Laporte (01:05:12):
Well, the best way to do it, in my opinion, Scott, you I'll let you express your opinion. Hmm. My, in my opinion, if your TV and I think your Samsung does has an optical out your sound, all the modern soundbars come with optical in correct. That's I think the best way to connect it. It's just one thin wire. It's just a little fiber optic wire that goes from TV to the speaker. Otherwise you could take the H D M I cable and plug it into the sound bar. That's another way to do it. Which do you prefer, Scott? Do you have an opinion?

Scott Wilkinson (01:05:45):
Well, H D M I is generally better, but it depends the old, this old plasma probably doesn't have H D M I a C. So that's not gonna work. How do you have just one device plugged into this TV? Or is it going through an Navy? No, it's not, not going through an Navy.

Caller 3 (01:06:02):
No, it's through a frontier box.

Leo Laporte (01:06:04):
You get a cable box going into it, like most box, my most people do. You don't need an audio return channel unless it's a smart TV, which this Samsung is not

Scott Wilkinson (01:06:12):
Correct. So all you need to do is take, you need two HDM. I cables one going from the frontier box to the soundbar, and then from the soundbar out to the TV

Leo Laporte (01:06:21):
And the soundbar will come with a cable. I, I would imagine

Scott Wilkinson (01:06:24):

Leo Laporte (01:06:25):

Scott Wilkinson (01:06:26):
It, if it comes with optical, that's fine too. It really doesn't matter. In this case.

Caller 3 (01:06:31):
It just reports 5.1, Adobe digital, nice lady Watts, minimum. Nice.

Leo Laporte (01:06:36):
So what sound bars does she get? Well, what's your budget first, Maryland. What do you, what to inexpensive? What does that mean to you?

Scott Wilkinson (01:06:42):

Caller 3 (01:06:43):
A hundred or less would be

Leo Laporte (01:06:44):
Good. I think there's some choices.

Scott Wilkinson (01:06:46):
There are absolutely vio VI. Visios my first go to for inexpensive sound bars. Absolutely. and they make a wide range. If you can. I would get one with a subwoofer because low frequencies are, are a very nice thing to have, especially with movies. But yeah, anything from Visio mono price is another one. I have the Monoprice SB 300 web that's over

Leo Laporte (01:07:14):
They're web only mono That's one of the reasons they cheap.

Scott Wilkinson (01:07:18):
Right, right. But I have a, I have an SB 300 that I really like doesn't have a subwoofer, but, but

Leo Laporte (01:07:25):
I'm gonna guess Marilyn not having had a sub all this time. Right. Doesn't need a sub.

Scott Wilkinson (01:07:30):
Probably not.

Leo Laporte (01:07:31):
Yeah. So

Caller 3 (01:07:32):
The and I'm not going into stores anyway, so yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:07:36):
<Laugh> yeah, yeah. Yeah. So when you get

Scott Wilkinson (01:07:39):
Vio online, absolutely.

Leo Laporte (01:07:40):
They have soundbars as low as 70 bucks. But actually they have a sound bar with a subway for $180, amazingly enough. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> mm-hmm <affirmative>

Caller 3 (01:07:51):
So I agree. The star Trek is wonderful.

Leo Laporte (01:07:53):

Scott Wilkinson (01:07:54):
Ah, very good. Very good.

Leo Laporte (01:07:57):
Did you watch the original Marilyn? Are you an original tracker? All

Caller 3 (01:08:00):
Of them. Original tracker. All of them. All of them. The trouble with triples. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:08:05):
I love that. That's a classic. Isn't it? <Laugh>. Yeah. Who doesn't love triples. Really? So yeah. Model price has some very good deals and they support the Doby surround the 5.1 that your TV is putting out. What, the only thing I would say is optical or HTM. I do not do Bluetooth. Some of these support Bluetooth. Yeah. No, that's a bad

Scott Wilkinson (01:08:24):
Idea. Right? You want a, you want an actual 

Leo Laporte (01:08:27):
Wire? Yeah. Yeah. Some, some physical connection. Okay. Thank you. You're gonna like it. It's infinitely better. Yeah. Than anything that you're getting from the TV set. Great. Thank you much. Thank you, Marilyn. And thank you, Scott, for sticking around. Sure. Guy. We now we gotta pay you over time. <Laugh> oh man.

Scott Wilkinson (01:08:47):
Nah. It's alright.

Leo Laporte (01:08:49):
Ill include

Scott Wilkinson (01:08:49):
It in the service.

Leo Laporte (01:08:50):
Throw it in. Will you okay? Good. I will. Yeah. We got a deal. We got a deal. <Laugh> I don't know who this is there's no name or city just got a key wireless charger from anchor. Hello. Welcome.

Caller 4 (01:09:02):
It's your main man. Micah.

Leo Laporte (01:09:04):
Hi Micah. I guess, I guess they figured we don't need to put Micah's name or state in there. Micah from Maine.

Caller 4 (01:09:12):
That's me. And I gotta tell you Scott's recommendations on sound. Bars is great. Many years ago he recommended a Yamaha. Y a S 1 0 1.

Leo Laporte (01:09:20):
Oh yeah. That's for this one. Yeah.

Caller 4 (01:09:21):
Years ago. It's not Maine anymore. I went out and got it that very same day and boy, it's wonderful. Yeah. So if Scott says the mono price is good, go for the mono price. Is

Leo Laporte (01:09:29):
That what you're using right now, Scott? Like, is that your main go to sound bar or?

Scott Wilkinson (01:09:33):
Well, it's my secondary sound bar. Secondary I'm I'm I'm waiting for a sound bar in my main system. It's gonna be a vio. Yeah. I'm waiting for vio to ship it to me. They haven't

Leo Laporte (01:09:42):
Yet vio does at most and other things. I mean, they, they, they do a lot with

Scott Wilkinson (01:09:46):
The sound and I I'm, I'm getting a slightly more advanced one that will shoot atmo sounds up to the ceiling and beam 'em down and stuff like that.

Leo Laporte (01:09:54):
Good. Well, Michael what's your que I presume it's, it's not for Scott. If you're talking about a wireless charger.

Caller 4 (01:10:00):
No. It's about a wireless charger. I have an iPhone 10 S yeah. With the apple smart battery case. And I love the apple smart battery case. Yes. I think I wish they still made it. And finally, I decided, let me get into the 21st century and try wireless charging. So I picked up an anchor key charger because MagSafe isn't ready for the or the 10 S isn't ready for mags safe. Right. So I picked that up. It was on sale, highly recommended by wire cutter. And yeah, when I put it on it charges and it'll charge everything up. But when I put it on overnight, I have less power in the battery than I did than when I put it.

Leo Laporte (01:10:34):
Oh, that's not right

Caller 4 (01:10:36):
Now. Yeah. It doesn't seem right at all.

Leo Laporte (01:10:37):
Make sure you're plugging. Oh, you're doing a wireless.

Caller 4 (01:10:41):
Yes. When I plug it in, it's perfectly fine.

Leo Laporte (01:10:45):
So, so you plug, so you plug your lightning into the, the wi the battery pack, and then you put the phone on the battery pack.

Caller 4 (01:10:54):
No, the, the battery pack, the smart battery chart smart battery case can be charged

Leo Laporte (01:11:02):
Wireless. I did not know that. Okay.

Caller 4 (01:11:04):
Yes. It's fabulous like that. And it works fine with my, I OTI charger in the

Leo Laporte (01:11:08):
Car, but for some reason it's not actually working, worked

Caller 4 (01:11:11):
On for five or six hours overnight. There's less power. I mean, it'll charge up when I leave it on for a couple of hours, but when I leave it on overnight is I go to sleep. And the reason that I want it is I can have it right next to my bed. I don't have to unplug it when I need it. It is less power in it like this morning.

Leo Laporte (01:11:27):
Yeah. That's dumb. You want it to charge up

Caller 4 (01:11:29):
Right? The battery was it, but a hundred percent the, and the the phone was at 100%. The battery case was at 82%. When I woke up this morning, the battery case was at 76%. And the battery in the phone was at 80%.

Leo Laporte (01:11:41):
Huh? So the, so there it is a, it is a little weird the way these work, when you plug it in wired, you plug in the case, not the phone.

Caller 4 (01:11:53):
Right. And the case charges first, the phone charges, and then the case.

Leo Laporte (01:11:56):
Exactly. And so there's some circuitry, some there's a conversation going on between the iPhone and the case. And it's after you. Alfas no, after you, so I'm wondering if wireless doesn't work quite that way. I've never heard of this, but I, but then I, I didn't even know that the apple case could charge wirelessly. Yeah. So I'm not sure what's going on. It's I don't know. That's an interesting issue.

Caller 4 (01:12:21):
No, I I've only had it for a couple of days and I'm going to troubleshoot tonight tonight. I'm gonna take it out, make

Leo Laporte (01:12:25):
Sure it's on. And you see the light come on on the phone. Yes. Saying I'm charging.

Caller 4 (01:12:29):
Yeah, it does. Absolutely. Does both the light on the phone and the light on the charger comes on on puzzles. And tonight what I'm gonna do in troubleshooting is I'm gonna take the phone outta the case, put the phone on the charging standby itself. And it should work.

Leo Laporte (01:12:42):
Yeah. That'll work just fine. I would think. And

Caller 4 (01:12:43):
Then tomorrow night, I'll try that and put just the battery case,

Leo Laporte (01:12:46):
Just try the case alone. Yeah.

Caller 4 (01:12:48):
And see if they charge individually. And because if that's what happens, then we know for sure it's something going on internally. And it's an apple glitch. And there are a lot of little glitches with apple that they don't tell us they

Leo Laporte (01:12:59):
Are and, and charging, especially by the way, Samsung as well, they do a lot of stuff in software around charging to protect the battery. And so there may be you're right. It's a bug. It's not supposed to happen this way, but I'll tell you what, if somebody's listening. I know you will listen, Micah, cuz you're loyal that way. But if somebody's listening and knows or has had this happen, call us or chat, TV or 88 88 ask Leo. And maybe we can find an answer and I'll keep my eye peeled too. This is new to me. I haven't heard about this.

Caller 4 (01:13:29):
I appreciate that Leo. I

Leo Laporte (01:13:30):
Thank you, Micah.

Caller 4 (01:13:30):
One of your listeners will know. Thank you so much.

Leo Laporte (01:13:32):
All right. That's part of the service we provide. <Laugh> on the tech guy show. Cuz you know, look, I can't answer every question obviously, but we have a large audience and a lot of listeners and there's there's probably somebody who can help eighty eight, eighty eight ask Leo. That's the phone number? Johnny jet travel guru coming up more of your calls too. Leo Laporte. The tech guy. You stay right here now. Oh I should. It's a, it's a inter it's international hamburger day today. Isn't it? I should be triggering something. Yes. Oh, last <affirmative> last chance to go to SCOs before it closes. I don't know if they've closed yet, but that's supposed to be the best hamburger in Petaluma. Oh well I they charged me K woods, which means they're probably thinking about it. I had to fig look up the charge cuz there's some weird wasn't it wasn't DJ. I, it was some weird. Where did I order it? Did I order it from DJI? I must have right. I have to look at my boy that that drone that I got the selfie drone. That was a terrible waste of money.

Leo Laporte (01:15:08):
We have a lot of light here. No it wasn't the, it was the, no, the, my complaint was not the lack of flying. It was the lack of image here. I'll show you the image quality. Wasn't great. I have some of these. Where did I put the images? Oh shoot. I thought I

Leo Laporte (01:15:31):
Downloaded them.

Leo Laporte (01:15:34):
The it's the image quality. That's the problem. This is, this is probably not the best example of image quality. At least not at the beginning, but at the end. You'll see. And this is with good studio lighting, right? So it should be okay. See how washed out. So that's one. Let's why I bought 'em both. But you know that the DJI micros get or mini or whatever's gonna be the best. That's getting some lens flare. That's not its fault. But even when it's pointed away from the lights, it's just not it's, it's pretty low image quality. Somebody asked me and I posted this on the forums. It's pretty potato. If you ask me, oh, there's Lisa with a Dodge challenger cruising. These are all from American graffiti days. There are, for some reason, people like to fix up bell airs. I don't know why. There are a lot of bell airs. There's the the police car that they've mess up every American graffiti day. Puma police. It's kind of fun.

Leo Laporte (01:17:05):

Leo Laporte (01:17:05):
That's all she wrote. That's by those are by those are by pictures. Is this a video or just a yeah. There's Lisa. Hey, Laisha wearing my hat. She looks too good in it. I have. Now she has, she gets it. Who wore it better? Guess? I don't know why this song always makes me wanna do the Carlton. Leo. LePort the tech guy because that's mixing the era as Peter is on the line from Clinton township, Michigan. Hello, Peter. Hello, Peter. Are you muted? Whenever it's like really quiet like this. I know that he accidentally the mute button got pushed. Unmute. You're playing. Oh, I know why you're playing that. I know that's from good fellas. Right? Am I right professor Laura? No. Yeah. Raya passed shocking at a very way too young. What a great actor. And if you haven't seen good fellas. Great, great movie. There we go. Are you there? Peter,

Caller 5 (01:18:25):
That was, did I scare you? <Laugh> good. Can you hear me?

Leo Laporte (01:18:29):
Yeah, I hear you. Great. Go ahead.

Caller 5 (01:18:31):
Okay. Hey, I'm the guy who gave me my mom's spaghetti sauce.

Leo Laporte (01:18:34):
Oh, I still use it. I love it. Thank you, Peter.

Caller 5 (01:18:38):
And no problem. Hey, <inaudible> I'm going to Italy in September. Oh mom. Mommy.

Leo Laporte (01:18:44):
I love good time of year to go too

Caller 5 (01:18:49):
One. I wanna take a brand new phone, but what should I take? I wanna take pictures with it

Leo Laporte (01:18:56):
In my opinion and ask. So I guess that's appropriate please. I would bring a Google pixel phone. Okay. Excellent cameras. But I would get it from Google five, Fifi, Google do com the phone company because you pay for it and it doesn't matter if you're here or in Italy. It's the same price.

Caller 5 (01:19:18):

Leo Laporte (01:19:18):

Caller 5 (01:19:20):
So Google fi okay. And I got an order from from the Google store. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:19:25):
Got it. From the Google store. They have a variety of phones, but the pixels are, you know, probably the best cameras aside from maybe the iPhone. And I think they compete well with the iPhone. So if you, if you go to and shop, okay you can get, you can also probably order, although it won't be out till yeah. It won't be out till after you go. I think the pixel six a but if you wanna save money, the five a is still a very good camera, $449 and you'll get the fi and now fi is cool. If you look at the, the various ways you could pay for fi I do kind of the original P plan, which was I think it's 20 bucks a month for unlimited voice and text. Okay. And then 10 bucks a gigabyte. And it's the same in Europe as it is here or it's same around the world, but they have other plans now, which are very good. If you don't need to do tethering, for instance, you could save even more. So they, I think that the, the, the for international travel, I think Google fi is really the great. Now it, for your home purposes, it is what FA does is kind of interesting. They, they work on T-Mobile us cellular wifi used to be sprint as well, but now that T-Mobile and sprint emerged, I think it's just T-Mobile. And so it'll pick the best signal and it'll work on that. Know what I love them

Caller 5 (01:20:40):
A question. I don't need an international card then.

Leo Laporte (01:20:43):
No, you don't need anything. So, so, you know, look at the plans. They're simply unlimited, unlimited plus and flexible. Flexibles the original ones. The one I have $20 and then $10 a gigabyte, by the way, the more phones you get from them, the price goes down for each subsequent phone $50 for simply unlimited, which unlimited calls, texts, and data, and a little bit of hotspot tethering. I think when you travel, you might want hotspot. Cuz then if you bring a computer or an iPad or whatever, you can still take advantage of that good deal.

Caller 5 (01:21:13):
I'm not bringing that. So that's that's okay. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:21:16):
<Laugh> I, you know, I think, and it's got, you know what, it's such a good camera. We went some years ago, we went to Machu Pichu, you know, the famous ink in ruins. Yeah. Peru hard to get there. Took a train, took a plane. It was complicated. I brought, even though I knew I was gonna be travel, I brought all this camera equipment. I brought a three and a 60 degree camera. I brought all this stuff. The best picture I took a Matra PCHA was with my pixel phone.

Caller 5 (01:21:43):

Leo Laporte (01:21:44):
So, wow. So, you know, honestly, it's a great, if you don't want to carry a lot of camera gear, right. You're set. And even the five a is great. If you get, of course, the pixel six pro, which is the most recent one I gotta right here, that's an even better camera, but that's a, these now we're going 800, 900 bucks. Now we're going to you know, expensive territory. What

Caller 5 (01:22:03):
Do I do with with plugging in for power? Because I know Europe

Leo Laporte (01:22:07):
Type C it's type C power just, you know, like anything else in Europe it'll work with. You know, the only thing to ever worry about with Europe is the voltage. Cuz the voltage is higher. It's not one 10, it's two 20 to two 40, depending on the country. So you're gonna wanna make sure. And the Google phone works fine with two 20, but you're gonna have to get an adapter for Italy and they have, you know, funny looking, but you'll probably get a, a bunch of those. Those are cheap and they just go on your regular plugs. Right. And then then you plug it into the Wal. But always look before you do that. And I learned this lesson where in Venice, staying in a beautiful hotel, 500 year old monastery, plugged it in the whole floor, went out <laugh>

Caller 5 (01:22:49):

Leo Laporte (01:22:49):
No, because I didn't check first and it was a one 10 device. It wasn't wasn't geared to go with two 20. So yeah. That's the only thing, make sure big ones will be like curling, irons, hair dryers, things like that may not work with two 20.

Caller 5 (01:23:03):
Right, right, right. Oh my God, Leo, you've been a big help. Oh I'm so jealous Sims and stuff like that. Don't do wanna get a brand new phone.

Leo Laporte (01:23:11):
This is the way to do it. I'm good to go. Great way to do it. Hey, have a great trip. One. Oh, when I go from rag to riches. Hello Johnny.

Johnny Jet (01:23:31):
Hello Leo. How are

Leo Laporte (01:23:32):
You? You are not in home base.

Johnny Jet (01:23:34):

Leo Laporte (01:23:35):
I'm not. Ooh. It looks like Toronto. No, it looks like a hotel room.

Johnny Jet (01:23:41):
It is a hotel room and it's it's, it's a messy hotel room, which is why I have the camera angle

Leo Laporte (01:23:46):
Up. Point it up. Nobody will ever know. Yeah. How you doing everything? Good?

Johnny Jet (01:23:51):
Yeah. The kids are sitting here on the nice couch. I'll show 'em to you afterwards.

Leo Laporte (01:23:55):
I wanna see 'em. I do wanna see 'em yep.

Johnny Jet (01:23:57):
We flew to New York right after last week's show went right to the airport and yeah, I cashed in my miles. I bought the tickets back in August, caught me 20,000 miles a piece to fly business, class, life flat

Leo Laporte (01:24:08):
Seats. Oh

Johnny Jet (01:24:08):
Nice. They were, they were charging 50,000 for coach on the same flight. Now that's how much prices have gone up. Wow.

Leo Laporte (01:24:17):
But yeah, I, I think I'm gonna go see my mom next month. While my sister's in Italy and I, I think I'll go see my mom bring Abby looks like it's. Yeah. It's a little pricey these days to go to Logan on jet blue though. I like jet blue. I'm not gonna go. They're

Johnny Jet (01:24:33):
Actually doing a little bit better than they were last month now Delta is the one. That's a problem. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:24:37):

Johnny Jet (01:24:38):
Delta's having big problems. They just announced they're cutting a hundred flights this summer a day.

Leo Laporte (01:24:43):
Oh man. Because they

Johnny Jet (01:24:44):
Can't keep up and you know, it's a mess out there this weekend.

Leo Laporte (01:24:47):
Oh man.

Johnny Jet (01:24:49):
And we went and saw my dad and he's now in the hospital with, but he's doing all right.

Leo Laporte (01:24:59):
So I'm glad he is. Okay. Yeah. Apparently I guess we're just all the Atlantic says we're just gonna all get COVID every couple of years. It's just the way it is. I have not. I have he's his third time ones. Dang.

Johnny Jet (01:25:14):

Leo Laporte (01:25:15):
Wow. Is it, is it more mild each time for him?

Johnny Jet (01:25:20):
The first time was most difficult. Yeah. The second time was nothing. And this time I think he was doing, he was doing fine. Just think the place he was in was actually not doing a good job with him. And so my sister saw him and took him to the hospital cause he was so dehydrated. Good. And now he's doing better.

Leo Laporte (01:25:36):
Oh man. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Johnny Jet (01:25:38):
But we only met with him outside. We got to see him. We gotta see the kids and we, you know, we only met with him outside. Stayed yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:25:44):
Way. Except for the kids. Yeah. My mom says you can't she said, we're gonna have to figure this out. She says you have to wear a mask or something. I said, okay, we can do that. We

Johnny Jet (01:25:51):
Wear mask. Not a lot of people wear a mask in Connecticut.

Leo Laporte (01:25:54):
We came

Johnny Jet (01:25:55):
From Rhode Island. By the way, Rhode Island. No

Leo Laporte (01:25:56):
One's wearing 'em either. Yeah. And Rhode, Island's got a big outbreak.

Johnny Jet (01:26:01):
I just, I ran into a friend on the beach, in front of the ocean house and he just texted me an hour ago saying I just tested positive.

Leo Laporte (01:26:08):
Oh man. Okay. Next time in your Rhode Island. Doune brothers in Providence for the clam cakes. Okay. Doune brothers. Oh my God. Oh my God. By

Johnny Jet (01:26:20):
Dell's truck, you know Dell

Leo Laporte (01:26:21):
Dell's instant lemonade. I

Johnny Jet (01:26:22):
Love it. Yeah. They have watermelon flavor too.

Leo Laporte (01:26:25):
I grew up with that whole, did

Johnny Jet (01:26:27):
They have watermelon back then too? Or is

Leo Laporte (01:26:28):
It just no, no lemon and lonely lemon. Frozen

Johnny Jet (01:26:31):
Lemonade, watermelon

Leo Laporte (01:26:32):
As well. That was that's the flavor of Rhode Island. <Laugh>

Johnny Jet (01:26:35):
Yeah. I saw a truck and I, I did a, did like a U-turn.

Leo Laporte (01:26:39):
Oh, I love

Johnny Jet (01:26:40):
Dallas said you guys gotta try this

Leo Laporte (01:26:41):
Stuff. Oh, it's so good. It really is. Oh man.

Johnny Jet (01:26:45):
And little bits of lemon in there.

Leo Laporte (01:26:48):
That's so good. It's so good.

Johnny Jet (01:26:50):
It really is. I know why they don't. I don't know why they don't sell. They do nationwide.

Leo Laporte (01:26:54):
You can. Well, I don't know nationwide. You can buy it

Johnny Jet (01:26:57):
Now in California.

Leo Laporte (01:26:57):
Yeah. You can buy it. Now I go tell, tell your grocer. We want Dells,

Johnny Jet (01:27:03):
But I got a great hotel for you in wahi by the way, actually in oh, Wester leave.

Leo Laporte (01:27:07):
I need a, I need a hotel to stay in because Abby and I are gonna go out late June to visit my mom. And I

Johnny Jet (01:27:18):
Was gonna stay

Leo Laporte (01:27:18):
In Providence. I was just gonna stay in town at the graduate or somewhere, but no. Well,

Johnny Jet (01:27:23):
I mean, I don't blame it.

Leo Laporte (01:27:24):
You say the Ty wa in

Johnny Jet (01:27:26):

Leo Laporte (01:27:27):

Johnny Jet (01:27:29):
WIPO in or, or, or the ocean house, obviously.

Leo Laporte (01:27:31):
Okay. Yeah. I'd love to stay there. But when I go with Lisa, I'm going to the ocean and I, oh, it's time. I didn't even, I here I'm having so much fun talking to you and I didn't realize the post office theme was coming up.

Johnny Jet (01:27:46):

Leo Laporte (01:27:52):
Yeah. See Dell's lemonade. Natural four pack. Amazon sells it. Mm. Yeah. You gotta have some coffee milk while you're in Rhode Island too. Over every E even everywhere, man. He's been everywhere. He's Johnny jet. Our traveling guy helps you travel better with technology. I have to tell you for the last couple of years, Johnny has, has been getting Shuder and shut and Shuder cuz he's been stuck at home even though he lives on the beach in the beautiful downtown Huntington went. Where? Which beach? Oh, Manhattan, Manhattan beach. It's not a bad place to be stuck, but you, you missed the road and you're on the road. Look at this.

Johnny Jet (01:28:36):
I am on the road after last Johnny. I I'm in Connecticut, but I wasn't. I flew to New York and then I flew to not fly. Then drove to Rhode Island.

Leo Laporte (01:28:45):
You watched my old island stomping grounds.

Johnny Jet (01:28:48):
We did, you know, I, I used to go to the wa ocean house growing up. And so I brought my kids to did

Leo Laporte (01:28:54):
You stay at the ocean head? Oh, oh, not the ocean house. The watch hill Inn. I don't know that one.

Johnny Jet (01:28:59):
That's a sister property at the ocean house. Ocean house is so expensive and full. Yeah. So we stayed at their sister property, which is right in town. Watch the live. It's beautiful. Went to the week of in, which is amazing place kid friendly, 34 rooms. It's a real in. And they have so much, so much activities. We went crab out there.

Leo Laporte (01:29:16):
Oh, fun

Johnny Jet (01:29:17):
Kids. You go kayaking. But

Leo Laporte (01:29:18):
The water's

Johnny Jet (01:29:19):
Cool right now. You can't go kayaking until it gets a little warmer.

Leo Laporte (01:29:21):

Johnny Jet (01:29:22):
But anyway. Yeah, we had an amazing time and unfortunately we came here to go see my dad. We spent two days with him. Only outside, met him. And then he tested positive. Oh actually he was already positive. They tested him the day we got there. Oh, they tested him. They gave him two tests. One was a rapid, the rapid, he came back negative. And then the the PCR, which came back two days later was positive but

Leo Laporte (01:29:44):
Nuts. Yeah. The rapid has to have a lot of a big viral load. So the PCR is a little more sensitive. So yeah, but he's okay. Cause he's in his nineties. He's 93.

Johnny Jet (01:29:56):
He's in the hospital, but they just tested him now. They said he's negative.

Leo Laporte (01:29:59):
So good.

Johnny Jet (01:30:00):
I'm aware if he had

Leo Laporte (01:30:02):
Test it's third time.

Johnny Jet (01:30:04):
Third time. All three different strains. Third time in nine months.

Leo Laporte (01:30:08):
Oh, but he's okay.

Johnny Jet (01:30:10):
He's okay.

Leo Laporte (01:30:10):
Hallelujah got one. Well, I'm glad he's getting good care. I'm glad you were there. I bet that cheered him up. Totally.

Johnny Jet (01:30:18):
It's gotta torture. Cause I'm right near him right now, but I can't go see him cuz I

Leo Laporte (01:30:21):
Yeah, he's in the hospital. I wanna go see my mom. She's in, she's in Cranston up the road at peace. I think I'm gonna still go see her. We'll just, I'll wear a mask and we'll sit distance apart, outside in the backyard. It'll be beautiful. Yeah.

Johnny Jet (01:30:35):
I told all my friends and family, we're only meeting people out the worst.

Leo Laporte (01:30:39):
So, but this doesn't seem to have curtailed travel.

Johnny Jet (01:30:42):
Not at all. Are you kidding me? It's this is

Leo Laporte (01:30:45):
What was your airport experience like? Was it okay?

Johnny Jet (01:30:48):
Well, we flew that Saturday. We flew on the 4:00 PM flight from lax on Saturday, which is a great time. There was no one in the airport. Oh. The flight was full, but there's not a lot of flights going out at that time. So there was no one in the check-in line. No one in the TSA line and actually lax. I was, we were flying American and they're doing all kinds of construction. They don't even have clear right now in American.

Leo Laporte (01:31:08):
Oh how does, how do you live without clear?

Johnny Jet (01:31:11):
We didn't need it because there was no lie to TSA pre but yes. Normally you do. I mean, you get clear because you don't, you wanna avoid those long.

Leo Laporte (01:31:16):
Now you have clear I'm sure. Does your wife have clear?

Johnny Jet (01:31:19):
Of course. Do

Leo Laporte (01:31:20):
The kids have clear?

Johnny Jet (01:31:21):
They're included. Kids are

Leo Laporte (01:31:22):
Included. Oh, because they're so little, you know? Yeah. But you travel with the whole

Johnny Jet (01:31:27):
Family passes are global entry. Everyone has to have it. No matter if they're

Leo Laporte (01:31:31):
Big gold. I I know.

Johnny Jet (01:31:32):
So. Yeah. And so, and we're going to Canada next. And so actually my daughter, Olivia, she has been conditionally approved for nexus, but we can't get an appointment. So they actually canceled it on her. What, what, it's a joke. What kind of

Leo Laporte (01:31:48):
Criminal record would a five year old had?

Johnny Jet (01:31:50):
I know, I know. So we're gonna stand the long line and there's long lines all around the world right now, Amsterdam. Klms telling people not to, not to show up. I mean, they're, they're so full at their ship, no airport. And it's also in, in, in London, they're having problems. And obviously here, right now, this weekend Delta's canceled 243 flights today. That's 9% of their why their flights they're saying it's cuz of weather and air traffic control, but is no doubt. Part of it is staffing. The, you know, people are catching COVID, they're calling in sick and they just don't have enough people working anyway because there's so many people flying. They weren't, the airlines were not expecting as this huge surge, which is going on right now. Right. Everyone wants to get out and see their family. Like

Leo Laporte (01:32:34):
What you're saying, heck with it. I don't care. We are also experiencing a COVID surge. You have a good on how to figure out what the COVID situation is at your destination, which

Johnny Jet (01:32:48):
Is yeah. I just put it in the, I put it in the chat room. Cuz someone asked me about what what's it like in France? You can also Google the destination hospital hopper hospital. I go

Leo Laporte (01:32:57):
To the state department, but it's not, you know, it's all kind of vague. I really want like, no tell me <laugh> it's a red light green light. I need to know.

Johnny Jet (01:33:07):
Well, John Hopkins does a good job

Leo Laporte (01:33:09):
And Johns Hopkins. That's a good one. That's a good choice. Yeah.

Johnny Jet (01:33:12):
But Delta, by the way, has, has canceled a hundred flights a day. They're announced. They just announced yesterday for flights between July 1st and August 7th because they just, their, their staffing issues have been such a problem. And this is what jet blue and spirit airlines did last month because they were getting just roasted by the general public because they just keep stranding people. And I have so many people right now, email me saying Delta's canceled my flight after flight they've even moved me to different airports and that flight got canceled. So my advice is to have a backup plan and also try and fly off peak times like we did to come here. You'll have a much better experience. Is

Leo Laporte (01:33:49):
It sometimes I wanna just say, Hey look, it's travel. It's you're gonna have hiccups. You're gonna have problems. The best way to survive and travel is just to keep calm, understand these things happen like be nice to people, be patient bring them, bring them candy. If you can. We, we

Johnny Jet (01:34:08):
Did. We, we always bring a, a bag of chocolates for the flight

Leo Laporte (01:34:10):
Attendants. Understand they're just distressed if not more. So, cuz you're just there for the day. They're there all the time. And it's sure it's outta their hands for the most part. So, and

Johnny Jet (01:34:20):
The flight attendants, by the way, don't get paid until they push back the plane or close the plane door Delta to change that Delta Delta just announce that they're going to do it. 

Leo Laporte (01:34:29):

Johnny Jet (01:34:31):

Leo Laporte (01:34:31):
That's ridiculous. You put on a uniform, you put on the outfit, you gotta pack your bag. You gotta go to the airport, drag it through the airport. You gotta get on the van. You gotta go over to the BU the plane you get on the plane. You gotta say hi to a bunch of people and you know, put your mask on, get on. And then, and then you don't get paid till they close the door. How do they even get away with that?

Johnny Jet (01:34:55):
That's worse. I don't know. Agreed. Some of the delays are two hours or more it's work. They could be sitting there delayed for two hours and then to cancel the flight. So they went to work and then get paid.

Leo Laporte (01:35:06):
Do you still have to wear, do you, I'm sure you wore masks whether you had to or not, but do you still

Johnny Jet (01:35:10):
Have to? We wore mask on the, in the airport and on the plane when we got on the plane. But once we took off, we were in business class. No one was around us. So we took 'em off and

Leo Laporte (01:35:18):
And then, and because of the Florida court, right, we don't have to, you don't have to,

Johnny Jet (01:35:23):
You only one outta the five flight attendants were wearing a mask and I'd say about 40% of the passengers were oh, interest and again, yeah. So

Leo Laporte (01:35:30):
You can, that's important to point out if you want to. You can

Johnny Jet (01:35:35):
Definitely, are you kidding me? I, I mean, I was in Rhode Island and here in Connecticut, I'd walk into the stores with Madison. Yeah. Not the many, not many people are, I would say maybe under 5% are right now

Leo Laporte (01:35:45):
And we just all want so desperately to go back to normal. I can't believe we've lost two years of our lives, more in a million people. I mean, it's, it's been this slow, very slow motion disaster that we've had to put up with for more than two years. Right. We just want it to be over. I understand that, but it isn't,

Johnny Jet (01:36:08):
But that's not, unfortunately you, you do need to use precautions and

Leo Laporte (01:36:12):
Oh, I carry my mask everywhere now, you know,

Johnny Jet (01:36:14):
You still can do it. I mean, right now we're proving that you can and knock on wood. Yeah. cuz we're meeting people only outdoors. We're not going to, well, your dad's had it three

Leo Laporte (01:36:23):
Times. He's in his nineties. That's crazy. It is. He's the most vulnerable population

Johnny Jet (01:36:30):

Leo Laporte (01:36:30):
All that stuff. I'm just glad he's okay. Boy. He, I, the picture you posted on your website of him looks like Jack hugging. Jack is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life. That is that's. Oh, thanks an old picture. I think. Right? That

Johnny Jet (01:36:43):
Was, yeah. That was from last year when he came to visit. Yeah. And then there's one below him. That one just the other day. If, if you're looking at the page, I think you're looking at

Leo Laporte (01:36:51):
Yeah. That's this is in, in the pink pants. <Laugh>

Johnny Jet (01:36:55):
Yeah. He loves pink. He wears pink all the

Leo Laporte (01:36:57):
Time. Pink polo shirt, pink pants. Well, you know he he's, he is in, he used to be in Florida. He's in Connecticut now, but he can pretend he's in Florida.

Johnny Jet (01:37:04):
Yeah. Even before Florida, he was wearing pink.

Leo Laporte (01:37:07):
<Laugh> Pink's a good color. Look at, get, do, go to Johnny and look at that great picture. He bought a beautiful family. Johnny jet. Thank you. God bless. Stay safe. Stay. Well, thank you. We'll talk next week. Leo LaPorte. The tech guy. Oh, that's such a beautiful picture. He's so happy. He loves his grandkids. I'm sure. Right?

Johnny Jet (01:37:29):
It just, it changes the whole mood. Just

Leo Laporte (01:37:31):
Yeah. Yeah, totally. That's keeping him alive.

Johnny Jet (01:37:37):
I'll post the picture right now in the chat room,

Leo Laporte (01:37:39):

Johnny Jet (01:37:40):
Or I'll put the blank in

Leo Laporte (01:37:41):
There man. I could pull, I could pull it up. I can show it. I can. I got it there. You got it. You got it there.

Johnny Jet (01:37:48):
You wanna see hi to

Leo Laporte (01:37:48):
The kids? Yeah. Let's see the kids.

Johnny Jet (01:37:52):
All right, here we go.

Leo Laporte (01:37:53):
Here we go.

Leo Laporte (01:37:55):
Jack. Lily, where I there you, Hey guys. Hey, you see hi. Hey. Hi. There you are. <Laugh>

Johnny Jet (01:38:07):
Cut. They're watching. They're they're watching their the only way we keep them quiet during my segment is to put 'em on the iPad. So they, and that's also the only time they get to use it when they're flying. So they love

Leo Laporte (01:38:19):
To, oh, that's good. So they don't mind this is it. You're you're you're teaching 'em to love travel.

Johnny Jet (01:38:26):
Oh yeah. They they're better behaved on the plane than most adults.

Leo Laporte (01:38:28):
Oh, I'm sure. They're they don't put their feet up on the back. They put their hair over there. <Laugh> they

Johnny Jet (01:38:33):
Put their, they got their iPads. They get the play game or watch movies. So anyway anyway, I hope you have a great

Leo Laporte (01:38:42):
Week. Stay safe. I'll talk to you next week in Canada. All right. Look at that. Look at that happy. That's a happy family, man. That is so

Johnny Jet (01:38:51):
I put sunglasses on the kids.

Leo Laporte (01:38:53):
Aw. Oh yeah. Those aren't real. I get it smart. Yeah. You're smart. You're smart. Yeah. Smart man. Very wise. I love it. <Laugh> all right. Have a great one Johnny care. All right. You too. Take care. Bye. Thanks Dr. Mom for cheering me up. <Laugh> I don't know how I've not gotten it. I, I honestly think I have some sort of, I either have extremely good luck or magic magic immunity or something. Yeah. I always go check Sonoma county. I have a bookmark to CDC, Sonoma county. I jump right to that. Just to see how it's going. The county view. Sonoma county ha where we've been, where we going here? It's going up, up, up a little down tick there. That's good. Maybe we're leveling out. I've been testing doing the home test a lot. I want, I haven't I, my trainer, I couldn't go see him this week cuz yet another child has it cuz they go to school. So that's just gonna be a continuous thing. Three of them have had it now in the family this last couple of weeks, so Hmm. Mmm. We've been going out. We went out to eat last night. We're going out to eat tea in indoors again tonight.

Leo Laporte (01:40:33):
You know I'm quadrupled four shots now. Yeah. I might have had a day symptomatically I guess. Yeah. You know it's funny Dr. Mom, you and I are vaccinating against smallpox, but they stopped doing it. This has got a whole generation. That's Leo Laporte, the tech guy, eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo the phone number back. We go to the show. Robert and Anaheim Hills, California. Hello Robert.

Caller 6 (01:41:10):
Hey, how are you Leo?

Leo Laporte (01:41:11):
I am great. How are you?

Caller 6 (01:41:14):
Very good. Very good. I got a real stuper. I wanna run by you.

Leo Laporte (01:41:17):

Caller 6 (01:41:18):
You ready? You ready for me? Okay. I bought an LG smart TV actually about two of them. About five years ago at Costco and I, I have YouTube. I watch all the time on the internet and TV. It watches it just perfect. I also subscribe to Moto to watch motorcycle road racing. And just about the time they're on the last lap and coming around to the finish line, it's gonna be a checker finish and the TV says out of memory and oh the,

Leo Laporte (01:41:48):
Oh <laugh> that's terrible.

Caller 6 (01:41:50):
And I go postal <laugh> yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:41:54):
And you weren't watching recording. You were watching live.

Caller 6 (01:41:57):
I'm watching it live streaming. I get up at five in the morning to watch it and

Leo Laporte (01:42:01):
Yeah. Wow. well that just underscores the sad truth that these TVs are computers and they have a processor. They have Ram, they have memory, they have storage and apparently the Moto GP app, you're watching it in their app, right? Yes. Correct. Yeah. Apparently their app has something we call a memory leak. A memory leak means it allocates memory and then doesn't release it and continues to allocate more memory and more memory until all the memory's occupied. And then the computer has only one choice. I can't go on now when that happened, did the whole TV shut down or just Moto GP,

Caller 6 (01:42:45):
Just Moto GP. And, and I basically turn the TV off and turn it back on again. And I get about one more lap in and then it does.

Leo Laporte (01:42:53):
Yeah. You need to unplug it cuz turning it off these days in a TV is like sleeping a computer. It doesn't actually reboot it. So to reboot it you'd actually have to either say reboot, there may be a menu item, although they don't like you to know that it's a computer or just unplug it and plug it back in again. That should clear the memory, but there's a bug and the bug is you just confirmed it because it didn't crash the TV. You're gonna have memory leaks in a lot of things, but it's didn't crash a TV. It crashed Moto GP. In fact you haven't had this crash in any other app, so

Caller 6 (01:43:25):

Leo Laporte (01:43:26):
Yeah. So all you can do is say to the Moto GP people <laugh> Y aye, yada your app. I want a refund. <Laugh>

Caller 6 (01:43:34):
And, and it's 200 bucks a year. Oh

Leo Laporte (01:43:37):
So wow. That's more than formula one even. Wow.

Caller 6 (01:43:40):
Yeah. It's it's it's right up there. In fact I wanted to get formula one, but I didn't wanna go in any deeper.

Leo Laporte (01:43:45):
Yeah. Yeah. <Laugh> MOS Motorsports are expensive.

Caller 6 (01:43:50):

Leo Laporte (01:43:52):
Yeah, this is the big frustration of streaming. I was talking to somebody and, and it's maybe it was on the show. I think it was on the show where it's just like, there's 15 different apps now. And if you wanna watch something, you gotta figure out where it is. Oh you gotta pay for that app. It's very frustrating.

Caller 6 (01:44:10):
Yes. Yes. So I can't fix it from the TV side it's or

Leo Laporte (01:44:13):
I mean, no, I don't think so. I mean, it will, the best fix will be unplugging the TV. In other words, resetting it.

Caller 6 (01:44:20):

Leo Laporte (01:44:21):
To empty out all the Ram don't launch anything else? Launch Moto GP and it should get you another, you know, you got an hour or two, you got to watch the beginning of the race. It just was the very end. Yeah. But the trick, the thing that you, the trick here is that turn what you did, turning it off and on with the remote or even the button on the TV, isn't actually turning it off or on it's cuz it, they want 'em to come on fast. So they don't actually shut down. You need to actually shut it down.

Caller 6 (01:44:49):
I I know you're right. And I don't like it. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:44:52):
I don't like it. One, one bit. One, one thing you should try is uninstall, excuse me, uninstalling and reinstalling. The motor GP app.

Caller 6 (01:45:04):
Okay. I'm actually just hitting it through the browser on the phone on browser. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:45:09):
Okay. So what's crashing is not, there is no Moto GP app. That's the browser that's crashing. So who makes a TV again? LG. LG. So that's an LG problem. They can't Moto GP has nothing to do with it.

Caller 6 (01:45:25):
And, and I tried calling my, I paired the warranty from Costco and the warranty from LG for five years and they said, well, it's not a hardware problem. It's a software problem. It

Leo Laporte (01:45:34):
Is it's bad. Soft. It's a bug in the software. Make sure you are updating the TV. Cuz LG does. I know I have an LGTV periodically update it. And then so you're watching in the browser. You're not watching on the TV,

Caller 6 (01:45:48):

Leo Laporte (01:45:49):
I'll give you a fix. And in in fact this is, this has been my general advice you're using the television's own smart TV software.

Caller 6 (01:46:00):

Leo Laporte (01:46:01):
And honestly that software's usually pretty terrible. Cause that's not their business. Their business is selling you TVs, but they want, but people want smart TVs. So they put Netflix on there. They put a browser on there. Browsers are usually the worst. And, and the other reason they put that on there is cuz they can monitor you and then sell your marketing information. But that's another story entirely. You really wanna fix this, get a Roku or an apple TV. Rokus are under a hundred bucks. There is a Roku app for Moto GP. So you won't be running it in the browser anymore. You'll be running. And then at least you can go to if there's still a problem, which there won't be. Cuz Moto GPS writing the app. Now not LG, not some underpaid fluky at LG.

Caller 6 (01:46:43):

Leo Laporte (01:46:44):
That's gonna improve it. So smart TV software is always bad. I've never seen good stuff and they don't keep it up to date the browser, especially cuz it's completely secondary to their main purpose. I would, I would go out and get an external box. So your apple TV, your fire TV Google sells actually a really good Google TV now. I don't think it's very expensive. That's just a little dongle on the back. I've been using that. It really works well TV. Oh really? Yeah. And they're fairly cheap. They used to call 'em Chromecasts let me see if they, I don't know if they still do or not. Okay.

Caller 6 (01:47:22):
Okay. That's a great suggestion cuz I wanna, I wanna change it up. I mean it happened to be twice this morning on qualifying.

Leo Laporte (01:47:29):
Oh how frustrating. Yeah. That's so, so frustrating. So get a, yeah, it's called a Chrome cast. You can get it. Let me see. 50 bucks and they're and they're really good.

Caller 6 (01:47:41):
So do you get a commission?

Leo Laporte (01:47:42):
<Laugh> I do not get a commission actually. You know, the, the best one is the most expensive, which is the apple TV. It's 200 bucks, but you have to be in the apple eco system. You wanna, you know, buy stuff on iTunes and all that stuff. The Google TV works just as well. The only thing it doesn't do very well is apple TV. How interesting there is an apple TV plus app on there, but it doesn't work very well. What a surprise, but all the other stuff works great. And Moto GPS available for that as well.

Caller 6 (01:48:08):
Excellent. Excellent. Hey, thanks for the tip. I love your show. And I said, I'm gonna call him and see if I can get a free answer out of the deal

Leo Laporte (01:48:15):
<Laugh> oh, the bill will be coming. Don't worry. <Laugh> thanks Richard. Appreci take care. Bye. Now you should actually, that's a good question. I, I do not get paid by any technology company. The only money I make is through the ads. If you hear an ad that technology company is paying in, in the case of the radio show is paying the radio company. And then maybe they'll pay me depends. And then <laugh> and then if, if you are listening to my podcasts, you know, obviously we get paid for those ads and I get a portion of that. But and those are very clearly marked. It's actually illegal. It's a violation of the federal trade commission regulations for me to take money and recommend something like a Google TV without disclosing. And I will disclose right now I do not. In fact, I'm an, I'm an idiot.

Leo Laporte (01:49:08):
I buy everything. I don't even <laugh> I don't even call Google, say, can I get a free Google TV? Cuz in my opinion, that would be getting compensated right by Google. I got a free Google TV. So I won't do that either. And if I did FTC would require that I would say, and you don't see this on YouTube, but trust me, they are required to, they just don't do it. Hey, let me tell you, Hey guys, let me tell you about in this new Google TV. It's great. And what they are supposed to say is the Google TV that Google sent me for free. It's great. You know why they don't say that? Cuz then you wouldn't trust them, but you shouldn't because they're not saying it. Okay. I'm sorry. Don't don't get me started. I'm old school. I do not get paid by any technology company. If you, you know, the only stuff I get is advertisements and those are clearly labeled and you know, tho those are actually the ads we do in the podcast. I'm really careful about who we choose. So they're even stuff that I, I do believe in, but if I'm reviewing a phone, a product, if I'm Mac recommending something, that's just me. That's me. They're not giving me anything. I pay for my Google file. Leo. LePort the tech guy.

Leo Laporte (01:50:19):
Well, Hey, Hey, Hey. How are you today? Leo Laporte here, the tech guy, time talk computers, the internet, home theater, digital photography, smart phones, smart watches, Florida man. And our chatroom is very upset. He says you haven't mentioned Elon all day or Twitter. My drinking game is very boring. Yes aren't we bored with Elon. Just, and by the way, well, I, you know, I, this week was a terrible week to be on Twitter. Just, just I think that's increasingly gonna be that way. To be honest, I might have to give up Twitter because it's just depressing. Do you notice that they call it doom scrolling and it's the worst when you wake up in the middle of the night, about four o'clock the hour of the Wolf. You wake up your eye, you're staring at the ceiling. Your eyes are wide open. You go. All right. Well, alright. I'll just I'll look at Twitter for a few minutes and then, you know, doom scrolling, the doom scrolling begins, and this has been a, a bad week for doom scrolling. Even if you only read Elon's tweets, which are nutty <laugh>, I'm sorry, but the man is off his rocker.

Leo Laporte (01:51:44):
And I know, you know, we've been, I have a Tesla and we we're talking about Starlink as the hope of the of the, of global internet. Although as we learn more about Starlink, it, it turns out maybe not gonna be, you know, the hope of the world for global internet. But yeah. So, yeah. Sorry, Florida, man. I'm sorry. <Laugh> I just can't I can't. I just can't no doom scrolling today. Richard's on the line from Ventura, California. Hi Richard, Leo Laporte, the tech guy.

Caller 7 (01:52:21):
Hey Leo. Welcome. I meet you all the time. I love your show. I love geeking out with

Leo Laporte (01:52:24):
You. Thank you

Caller 7 (01:52:27):
You guys were talking about star Trek, so I'm gonna use that as an introduction to where I'm coming from. Oh, good. I began, I began my, my journey into audio video engineering about 38 years ago. And it led to remastering all three seasons of the original star Trek. And wait

Leo Laporte (01:52:41):
A minute. You, you, did you do that professionally? Just for fun.

Caller 7 (01:52:44):
Yeah, no, I worked for a Panasonic for their R and D division.

Leo Laporte (01:52:48):
Oh, how cool is that?

Caller 7 (01:52:50):
So, yeah, I, I had a lot of great experiences and, and I'd like to think I understand audio video. So I'm in, I'm using that as a preface to, to cover my embarrassment for calling you <laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:53:01):
Well, you know, a hell of a lot more about it than I do. I could tell you that Richard right now.

Caller 7 (01:53:06):
Well, I know, I know enough to be embarrassed by not in my, my first one of my first jobs was as working for a cable company when I was 15. And then I worked for a store out here called the federated group, which oh yeah. A huge audio video.

Leo Laporte (01:53:18):
I remember them. Yeah. I was a, yeah.

Caller 7 (01:53:20):
Yeah. And I, I was a operations manager and, and put together all the systems when, when THX first aid came out and 5.1 and, and, and I understand a lot of how that works, so I'm totally stumped and I'm, and I'm, I'm bowing my head to you to see if I can get some help. It's a really simple thing. And I've been outta the business for a little while now, but I have a a pro pro logic, Yamaha receiver. Nice. And it has, it has a audio return channel. Yep. And I wanted, I guess what I want to do is I want to do something kind of old school. I want to be able to run my audio return channel for my, for my speakers and use my TV speakers as my center channel. And I just can't get 'em to sync up no matter what I do.

Leo Laporte (01:54:04):
Oh, what an interesting idea. So you have two speakers left and right. But you'd like to have a separate, a discrete center channel because that's where all the dialogue is. That's what we've been talking about in modern movies. They mix it down a left right subwoofer center channel left, surround, right. Surround. They might even do be, you know, deep surround and so forth and at most in the ceiling link and all that stuff, but the center channel is the most important. And, and what an interesting idea to have the TV speakers be the center channel

Caller 7 (01:54:36):
And what I'm looking for isn't even necessarily just dialogue like a standard center channel would be, I just want to be able to have the sound, which because of the nature of TV speakers is gonna be more drawn to, to vocal dynamic.

Leo Laporte (01:54:49):
Yeah, exactly. It's very much mid-range where the, where the voice is. Right. Doesn't care about the, the deep base. It doesn't care about the high trouble, just it's all in the mid. So here's the way, the only way I can think of you could do it, cuz something's gotta decode this. Right. So you're going into your receiver. Your receiver's getting the, the Doby information about what sounds going, what speakers and among those it's gonna have a center channel information and I presume your stereo has speak speaker outputs for center, right? So if you have a surround sound AV receiver, it'll have separate speakers for all of those left right center subwoofer surround all of those. So I, you have a center channel out,

Leo Laporte (01:55:35):
Correct. Okay. The only way to do this is if you could have that center channel out, control the TV speakers directly. Now on some TVs, I've seen this, it's a little weird that the speakers actually have speaker wire going from the built in speakers on the TV, into the TV, you know that you could remove them and replace them. Now I doubt you have that particular model of TV. So what you're gonna have to do is somehow open up and get access to those speakers. See what wires are going to. Those speakers hope that the speakers are kind of bogged standard enough that they have posts. They have, you know, a connection and then take the speakers out from the TV and put your speakers in from the AV receiver. Now you've made those speakers on the TV completely discreet, but I know why you want to do this. And the one thing you're gonna lose when you do that, what you'd like to do is turn up the center channel with the TV remote, right?

Caller 7 (01:56:35):
Yeah. Or at least when you're, when you're viewing and you want to have bigger sound. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:56:39):
You're gonna lose that. The TV is no longer controlling those speakers. Your AV receiver is. So you're back to the same old thing as if you used a sound bar. So I think if I'm gonna interpret your question, your real question is <laugh>, how can I, how can I keep both sets of speakers on, right. You're right. If you don't connect the center channel, if you don't connect the center channel, then it doesn't matter. And even if you did connect it, you'd still be able to boost it by using the TV speakers. And that's gonna be, that's gonna really be dependent on the remote control and the menus systems in your TV. If they all, most TVs, I think once you hook up arc or something else, they're gonna disable the internal speakers. But I have to say, I have experienced it where I can turn my speakers up independently of my surround.

Caller 7 (01:57:30):
Yeah, I can. I can. Well then you're done will give me what the arc will give me will give me sound to my TV. I just can't get it to sync up. The processing time is different.

Leo Laporte (01:57:41):
Ah, the sync is the problem. All right. Yeah. Yeah. So you, you do have this situation where you can be listening to your surround and you turn up the TV and it's louder cuz it's the mid, the mid and the channels. That's actually a great solution. So syncing you know, the TVs do have delay most modern if most modern TVs have delay. But the problem is it's gonna delay both. Isn't it? So what you, yeah, this is gonna be, this is gonna be an issue. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. In if the AV receiver has its own delay and you're not hooking up the center channel, cuz if you did, you'd have some weird phasing happen. Maybe you can set the surrounds and the stereo speakers and the sub to match what's coming out of the TV. Let me think. Which would be faster though. The TV's gonna be faster. Isn't it than the stereo. So

Caller 7 (01:58:38):
You, I don't know because it's going through the arc loop. Yeah. So by the time it gets back to the TV, it's our, the receiver's already picked up and doing its thing.

Leo Laporte (01:58:47):
Yeah. And I think what you want, what you'd the only thing that they build in is delayed. They don't build in speed up <laugh> they don't build in delay video. They build in delay audio. And I think that you actually want to go in the other direction. Somebody scooter X has posted a link. Sony has this feature for TV speakers as the center channel. Oh look at that. So some Sony TVs, you can, they literally have a center speaker mode that lets you make, do exactly what you wanna do. So just that's the answer throughout your TV.

Caller 7 (01:59:22):
Yeah. Throughout the brand new Samsung

Leo Laporte (01:59:24):
That's interesting that Sony offers this. So you're not the first person to think of this. How clever

Caller 7 (01:59:29):

Leo Laporte (01:59:30):
Very cool. Wow. We'll put a link in this. This is this is a up to date. It's a, a May, 2022 technical note on using your TV speakers as center speaker. Good catch scooter X we'll put this up. I can't think of a way to get the, there are external delay boxes or maybe that's the way to do it. If you can get an external Del <laugh> the problem is it's not really delayed cuz you, the problem is the audio coming outta the TV is gonna be behind. Is it or not? No, it'll be ahead.

Caller 7 (02:00:05):
No, I think that, I think you're correct. I think you're correct. It's a little behind the audio is, is late. So oh the audio coming out, the wrist outta the rich receiver,

Leo Laporte (02:00:14):
Look, there are external delay boxes. So that might be the other way is to put an external delay box in the chain between the arc of your TV and your AV receiver and add delay there.

Caller 7 (02:00:28):
Right, right, right.

Leo Laporte (02:00:29):
What a great, what a great question Richard. See, it takes 38 years of experience in the AV industry. <Laugh> to come up with a kooky question like this

Caller 7 (02:00:39):
<Laugh> yeah. I haven't stayed current with it, but it seemed like, it seemed like with everything that's out that there definitely be a way to do it. So

Leo Laporte (02:00:46):
Yeah. I mean, honestly I don't think the center channel has to be the best speaker. In fact it often is not the best speaker. Certainly not the best speaker at any of my surround systems. It's just that midrange just as you say, it's the vocal range that really matters. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> and in fact, I asked Scott once, do you have to match the center channel? Does it have to be the same manufacturer or is it preferable to have to be the same manufacturer as the left and right. And he said, no, he said no. So I think it's what you propose is sensible. It's a, it's an interesting I never thought about the delay issue. They don't, they aren't in sync aren't they,

Caller 7 (02:01:23):
I I've, I've done this before with, when you're dealing with, with component and composite low level frequencies. But when you go to the HTMI now in digital and everything, everything's, everything's different cuz it's being decoded and all that. So

Leo Laporte (02:01:36):
Maybe don't maybe don't use the arc, maybe use the optical out for your receiver. Yeah. I mean, I think that should be the same speed, right? It should be. Yeah. Sometimes I though I've seen people use the optical out and get good results. So Hey, you know what? I hope you keep listening Richard. And anytime I say something dumb call in and say Leo as a 38 year veteran of the industry, I would like to correct you. No, I count on that. We need that. We need that.

Caller 7 (02:02:05):
I love your show, man. Keep doing what

Leo Laporte (02:02:06):
You're doing. I love it. I appreciate it, Richard. Great to talk to you and thank you for the work you did on star Trek. Nice. <laugh> oh, you welcome. All right. Take care. 88, 88 ley. If you have a good idea for Richard, I love it because this show covers, you know, the entire range of skills for somebody who's got, you know, decades in the business and somebody's just starting out. That's what we like Leo Laporte D tech guy.

Leo Laporte (02:02:45):
I'm not sure the center channel needs to be the best speaker scooter. X's certainly not on my system. I have giant towers for left and right. And the center's just a little old center speaker. In fact, that's true in almost all my systems, I guess depends what you mean by best. But all it has to really reproduce is the, is the vocal frequencies. So that's what oh interesting. The voice speech of a typical adult male will have a fundamental frequency from 85 to 155. Wow. And a woman, 165 to 2 55. So if you had a speaker that could reproduce I'm surprisingly low actually could reproduce say 50 to 300 Hertz. That'd be more than adequate. Wow. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't realize men could talk that deep in telephony. The U the voice frequencies 300 to 3,400. Wow. Oh wow. Oh I'm okay. So this is fundamental frequency. However, if you just use 50 to 300, you'll miss so many of the harmonics. So you want the harmonics as well. I'm looking at Wikipedia's entry for voice frequency. The bandwidth allocated for a single voice frequency transmission channel is usually four kilohertz, including guard bands, allowing a sampling rate of eight kilohertz to be used as the base of the pulse gold modulation system, Fort PS that's for digital PSTN.

Leo Laporte (02:04:31):
Huh that's that's cuz of the Nyquist. The huh. So there are harmonics higher and lower harmonics, most important, but not the most accurate or maybe not accurate. It's not the see best. What does best mean? Maybe it's the most important to be the most accurate, but it doesn't have to have the broadest range. Ah, that's interesting to create a seamless front sound stage. The center channel must match the tonality of the left and right speakers. So that's why it's probably good to ha it is probably good to have them match, which they do in my home theaters, all of my home theaters, they match, I don't have a center channel at all in the bedroom. I just have left. Right. And it works perfectly well. So left. Right. And sub honestly, if you have really good speakers. Yeah. I mean, this is a company selling this gear, so I'm not sure I'd fully credit. What they're saying. Fair eighties today. Leo Laporte, the tech guy, or is this nineties? I don't know. They all blurred together. Don't they? After a while Randy, on the line from Huntington, California, Huntington beach. Hello Randy.

Caller 8 (02:05:47):
Good afternoon tea. I've got two questions. The first one re is regarding laptop battery too. Okay. From, for my phones, I've been letting them charge up to 80% and discharge down to 20% to try to get the best battery battery life. And I just got a new Lenovo five flex laptop. And I'm wondering if the same treatment makes sense for the laptop.

Leo Laporte (02:06:11):
Yeah. I mean that is the that's, you know, that's yeah. I guess it would be, be the same. I mean the 80 20 rule is usually not so much about protecting that battery, but, but rotating the cells in the battery it's certainly true in electric vehicles, electric cars, because they have many, many, many lithium ion cells. And if you don't charge it more than 80%, you allow the software in the car to kind of wear load balance or wear balance the, the cells that way 80, 20 I don't, you know, your, your lithium ion battery and your laptop and your phone, it only has one cell and your laptop might have two. So I don't know if you need to rotate the cells, the only rules. And this is a complicated, very complicated. So I'm Heming and hawing. You can go if you wanna read up and see why it's so complicated, you can go to battery university, which is, as far as I know the best resource for how lithium Ion's work, it's battery

Leo Laporte (02:07:19):
I will, based on my many hours of reading articles on battery university my general advice to people is don't worry about it. If there there's circuitry in your laptop that will keep it from overcharging and undercharging. There were, there was a day when you, you know, you'd have to be really careful not to deplete your battery fully and you'd have to really worry about overcharging. It, it could actually explode if you overcharge it, but no, well made laptop is gonna allow either of those scenarios. So I essentially, you know, I, I don't pay attention. I don't, I don't conserve my batteries. If you're storing it for any length of time, the advice again from battery university is to let it discharge about 50% and then store it. So you don't wanna charge it, store it full or completely depleted. I know I, you know, it's, if you're interested in this stuff, I, I would read it. There is a lot of misinformation. There's a ton of misinformation from things. And even companies will, will send you stuff and say, you need to condition your battery before you use it. You must fully charge it and fully discharge it before you use it. I see this all the time. No, no, that's not true. The best article to start with is BU battery university 0 0 1.

Caller 8 (02:08:49):
<Laugh> all right,

Leo Laporte (02:08:50):
Which says there are no black and whites in the battery world, only shades of gray. The battery is a black box with a mind of its own mystical and inexplicable <laugh>. This is battery university talking. It explains why there's so much in my opinion, misinformation. And some of it does depend. I mean, there are, there certainly is the chemistry of lithium ion, which doesn't vary. Although there are variety of lithium ion batteries with various cap capabilities, but also it's each individual battery has a light personality of its own and zone. And the charging capabilities, you know, the, the, the circuitry built into the phone and the, and the computer. They really vary a lot lately Samsung. And I think apple might be doing this now, too. For instance, with its phone will allow a fast charge, only up to 80%, and then it really slows it down. And the reason is one of the really known bad things for a battery is, is letting it get too hot or too cold

Caller 8 (02:09:51):
Heat. Yeah, absolutely.

Leo Laporte (02:09:52):
Heat's really bad for the chemistry. So fast charging is really bad for batteries, but, but you can't fast charge us a laptop as far as I know. Honestly, I don't worry about it. You know, batteries are gonna have a certain number of cycles. I don't,

Caller 8 (02:10:12):
I never have. And I've, I've always just let, 'em do what they want. Yeah. But I, a new laptop, perhaps I can, well,

Leo Laporte (02:10:17):
I understand. Yeah, little

Caller 8 (02:10:18):

Leo Laporte (02:10:19):
And you really, the, the biggest thing with a laptop is how do I get the most battery life out of it? And that's a lot of that software and, you know, a lot of messing around cuz some laptops have great battery life and some don't and you know, be able

Caller 8 (02:10:31):
To unplug the battery and get a new one and play, you know, snap it back

Leo Laporte (02:10:35):
In if you only could. Right. But nowadays yeah, that's, that's also you know, they're so, so thin these days, that stuff is, is glued in it often doesn't have packaging around it to save space, which means you can't touch it. Can't remove it. So yeah, you gotta make it work. I, you know, I what's the answer. I don't know if you really want to get picky battery short answer is don't worry about it. I, I leave mine plugged in Leo Laporte, the tech guy. I think you could spend so much energy messing with it, you know, maybe, maybe there's a diminishing returns. Let me see if they have like on the they have this whole, I mean, it's really, there's a lot here. And

Caller 8 (02:11:22):
It out, I've got another question for you regarding N VMEs if we can do that. Sure.

Leo Laporte (02:11:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll do it right now.

Caller 8 (02:11:30):
All right. Cool. Well, my question is I with this thing, I wanna expand it. It's got a 250 gig N V E right. And I'm looking at adding two terabytes. I think that'll last me more than I will ever need. Yes. and I understand drives are overbuilt with more than two terabytes of cells and makeup. That's right. Cells that'll die. So theoretically you get better longevity with a larger

Leo Laporte (02:11:53):
Drop it's also for wear leveling because with SSDs, you don't wanna read and write to the same cell over and over and over again. So just like the battery in the car, they, they, they rotate through the cells on the SSDs.

Caller 8 (02:12:04):
Well, I'm trying to balance between the read and right speeds and the meantime between failure and the limited warranty. So you've got the slower ones at five to, you know, 5,000 negatives per second for read 1.7 million meantime between failures, Andre limited warranties. That

Leo Laporte (02:12:25):
Sounds like, so let me tell you the dirty little secret about Mt. B U

Caller 8 (02:12:29):
Yeah. <Laugh>,

Leo Laporte (02:12:31):
They'll take a hundred drives, put 'em in a hot room and run 'em until they die and then take the percentage <laugh> it's all made up. It's statistical, but it's made up and it doesn't actually reflect a, any reasonable number. I have never had an SSD fail ever.

Caller 8 (02:12:50):
I never have

Leo Laporte (02:12:51):
Either. No. And you know, I think get the fastest ones and just forget about it because I've never had them fail. It is it is the case. I wish Allen Melvin were here. He's now. Unfortunately he went to work for Intel on their SSDs and now he can't be quite as forthright as he used to be. He's to write for PC perspective, he was the king of SSDs. He knows everything. And he always said is really comes down. The best thing to do is to make sure you get a ver is the best firmware because we leveling and trimming and all that stuff is all in firmware. But I think, I think nowadays, you know, I've never those Samsung EVOS I've never had trouble with. They're very reliable, I guess Intel does, you know, everybody kind of agree make the best SSDs, but they're very, very expensive. I, I don't think there's an issue. And, and since if you can open up your laptop and take out the SSD, which you often can. Yeah. If it's replaceable, I wouldn't, I wouldn't worry about

Caller 8 (02:13:59):
Yeah. I'm just, I don't, I don't wanna lose the data at some point.

Leo Laporte (02:14:02):
Yeah. Well, you should be backing up cause there's no, yeah. That's why Mt. B is kind of a misnomer because they there's. No, it's not like, oh yeah, this is gonna go to a million hours and then fail it's it could fail in 10 hours. Right. It's just the meantime. <Laugh> and it's not even very well calculated. I mean, it's really kind of a bogus,

Caller 8 (02:14:22):
Probably not statistically relevant.

Leo Laporte (02:14:24):
Yeah. It isn't it, I mean, I really that's, that's really the bottom line nor is the smart stuff or any of that stuff. So I, I, the

Caller 8 (02:14:32):
Advantages with the 3d TLC man, or,

Leo Laporte (02:14:36):
Well, they like that. And that's what Optain does as well. They like that because you could put more capacity in I think in theory it would be, it would be less reliable, but what they do is EEC ECC and they make sure that it's, you know, that you're gonna have error correction. And I just, I just, I stick with Samsung EVOS, to be honest with you. And I have never had a problem.

Caller 8 (02:14:59):
Have you ever tried any of the inland professionals?

Leo Laporte (02:15:01):
I have not.

Caller 8 (02:15:03):
I've bought a lot of those over the years, not the MBEs, but I've, I've never had one fail and they seem to be a good sweet spot in,

Leo Laporte (02:15:11):
Oh, I'll have to look at those. Oh, that's good

Caller 8 (02:15:13):
Product and performance,

Leo Laporte (02:15:16):
Inland professional. I wonder who's firmware. They use,

Caller 8 (02:15:20):
You know, every now and then in the comments, you can tell what thes are, but generally they don't tell you.

Leo Laporte (02:15:25):
Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I don't know.

Caller 8 (02:15:28):
Right. Comments generally seem to have some insight.

Leo Laporte (02:15:30):
Yeah, I do not know. I I'd stick with Samsung to be honest with you. Oh, if only Dick de Bartolo were here. Hey, cuz he likes the disco. Leo Laporte, the tech guy, Dick de Bartolo, Mads mad writer. And our GIW coming up in just a little bit, but first we got some time for a few more calls. Frugal ed from Levittown, PA. Hello, frugal ed.

Caller 9 (02:16:04):
Hello. How you doing?

Leo Laporte (02:16:05):
I am. Well, how frugal are you?

Caller 9 (02:16:09):
Oh, I am so frugal. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (02:16:13):
Frugal was so frugal.

Caller 9 (02:16:17):
Yeah. I just, as a, an aside, I used to sell chemicals to the Naval college in Newport. I love that part of the country.

Leo Laporte (02:16:25):
Nice. Yeah. It's beautiful down there. Isn't it.

Caller 9 (02:16:28):
And then as we spent two years in San Ramon and we'd sit in a hot tub and watch Mount Diablo burn

Leo Laporte (02:16:37):
<Laugh> that's less fun. Yeah. Yeah. We don't talk about that anymore because the wildfires have been so bad in the last five years in Northern California. We don't, we don't want to think about that. So you don't have to worry about that in Levittown. What's the what's the, every, every region has its NA its natural nightmare. What what's is it? You don't have earthquakes. You don't have hurricanes. You don't have tornadoes. You're kind of in perfect. Perfect place.

Caller 9 (02:17:03):
Yeah. We just have humidity

Leo Laporte (02:17:07):
Mosquitoes. <Laugh> everybody's got skiers. What can I do for you? Frugal ed?

Caller 9 (02:17:13):
Well, I'm I'm 74 years old. I work in semi retired. I work for auto parts company Uhhuh and, and I deliver probably a dozen catalytic converters to different service stations every week. We just bought a new Pathfinder. And, and is there any kind of a security system to protect the catalytic converter?

Leo Laporte (02:17:36):
It is such a problem. I don't know what it's like in PA, but out here you know, if you're sitting your car sitting for a minute, somebody's gonna come steal your catalytic converter so much so that the California state assembly is, is considering a bill to crack down on thefts. How do you protect your catalytic converter? What is it what's in there? Frug Golet is it platinum? Is there something in there in the, in there that makes them valuable?

Caller 9 (02:18:07):
There's three different elements at Pallium platinum and, and something else. But what they feeds do is they, within two minutes they can get underneath your vehicle, cut out the catalytic converter and then take it to a, a you know, a waste management company and they get like $400. Yikes. For the materials.

Leo Laporte (02:18:31):
Of course it costs you thousands to replace it. So it's kind of infuriating. Yeah. And I guess that, I guess the reason there's been a rash of them is that those metals are more valuable now than they were a few years ago. You know, I don't know of any way it would have to be a physical, I mean, I guess you could put LoJack some sort of LoJack device on it.

Caller 9 (02:18:59):
We bought a Pathfinder, so I contacted Nissan and they I was trying to find a way where our key Bob would alert us that you know, that something was

Leo Laporte (02:19:11):
So I don't know about your car. My car has motion sensors in it. So what the police say is, well, get a welded catalytic converter, make sure it's welded in and then make sure that your car security system has vibration sensors. Cause the thief, if it's welded in, it's gonna jiggle the car, getting it out. And so cuz they're gonna have to saw it out. Right. Well that's immediately gonna set off your fob.

Caller 9 (02:19:36):
Yeah. So, but if you're at the movies or dinner or yeah, or

Leo Laporte (02:19:39):
Somewhere else, I don't, that's a good question. Is there a, is there a that's a really good question. Is it is there a LoJack for catalytic converters? I bet you if the if the, the thefts still go up, it's gonna be scooter X says use a high temperature, fluorescent orange paint. Wait, what on your catalytic converter, such as those sprayed on barbecue grills and then putting your inscribe, your vehicle ID in the painted surface, which you know, good luck cuz the guys who are buying this don't care, I'm sure they melted down. Yeah,

Caller 9 (02:20:15):

Leo Laporte (02:20:16):
Yeah. They don't care. Wow. that's a gr that is such a good question. I don't know. Maybe somebody listening will know. I, I just you know, I don't, I don't know what you do to protect it except physically I love the idea. Maybe car manufacturers, if this keeps up will start building it into their alarm systems, you know, alarm the catalytic converter. I don't know of any aftermarket solution though. You work in auto parts, you ought know frugal ed.

Caller 7 (02:20:48):
Well <laugh> no, I don't. That's a problem.

Leo Laporte (02:20:50):
Yeah. Yeah. Right, right.

Caller 7 (02:20:52):
You you're a techno guy.

Leo Laporte (02:20:54):
I don't have a catalytic converter. I have a electric vehicle. So yeah, I don't have to, I don't have to convert nothing <laugh> but maybe that's the answer. Get an electric vehicle then you, then you don't have to worry about the scooter Xs, you know, obviously, you know, this they're metal cages and you there's all sorts of physical deterrents, but I don't know of any electronic deterrent. Maybe you could see it gets so hot. You can't put something like an apple air tag on it. It would melt it. So that's the problem. These things get really, really hot in operation.

Caller 9 (02:21:25):

Leo Laporte (02:21:28):
You can get your vintage in it, but again, I think anybody who's buying cattle, converters, nose, they're hot and I don't mean warm. I mean hot so they don't care. I, yeah, I, I think this is, I think, I think this is a great question. I don't know if there's an answer. Sometimes we get questions that for which there is no answer. I'll get Dick D Bartolo working, working on this. Maybe something from Hasbro. I don't know. I don't know if there, this is the problem. I mean, remember the spate of I guess it's still going on. Copper's so valuable. Copper pipes getting stolen, copper wiring getting stolen. I, I wish there were, you know, sites sitting outside the car with a shotgun. I don't know what else you can do. You know, I've seen a number of articles saying, do this, do that, but I don't know of any electronic alarm system that would work. <Laugh> sorry. I'm a, I'm a failure. Last call Lynn from Selmer, Tennessee. Hello Lynn.

Caller 10 (02:22:37):
Hey Leo.

Leo Laporte (02:22:37):
Welcome. What can I do for

Caller 10 (02:22:39):
You? Hey man. I was just wondering about, have you got any recommendations on the company gazelle that sell like

Leo Laporte (02:22:47):
Retail? Yeah. We used to advertise for them. I like gazelle. Okay. Shop around because there are a number of places that will take your old devices. We usually send our old devices of which we have a lot, cuz I buy 'em to gazelle, but check SWAPA as well. S w a P P a. The nice thing about all these sites is they'll give you a quote. So you can get an idea of what the best price is. In fact nowadays if you're doing an iPhone check, what apple will pay, I'm gonna guess it's lower than others, but, but it's worth checking. Samsung takes phone and trade. I've noticed by the way that Samsung is very generous. When they've got a new phone, I always trade in my old Samsungs cuz I always get a really good deal on on those trade ins.

Leo Laporte (02:23:35):
But gazelle, I think Gazelle's pretty good. I think, you know, we've sent a lot of stuff to them with gazelle. If they'll give you a quote based on what you assess the, you know, the condition of that devices, you have to unlock it first and the, and you say, well, I think it's pretty good. There's a few Nicks, but it's completely operational, whatever you send it to them and they will then say, yeah, you're right. That's exactly the, so we're gonna match our, our offer. We're gonna say our quote was accurate, but they also reserve the right to change it. And then at that point you can say, no, you, you knock 20 bucks off, send it back and they'll send it back. My experience with gazelle, maybe cuz we're very conservative in describing these devices. Is it at least half the time?

Leo Laporte (02:24:20):
They said, no, it's in better shape than you said, we're gonna give you another 20 bucks or whatever. So I I like it, but there's a lot of others. There's buyback, SWAPA you I mean I can go on and on in fact, you know what, let me put a link. Cuz somebody in the chat rooms come up with a, a site that will tell you all the places kind of like gazelle that will buy used electronics. And then again, I think check with your phone store. A lot of manufacturers cuz they wanna get you in the door with the new stuff. They'll give you maybe even better prices just cuz they know they're gonna get you in the long run. Leo LaPorte tech guy gizz with Dick DeBartolo next swap. He says swap. Yeah. I don't like the idea of going to Craigslist or although that's, you know, I'll be honest when we've sold cars, Lisa's really good at selling old cars. I think she, she does Craigslist. So that works. Hello? Dickie

Dick DeBartolo (02:25:43):
D Hey Leo, how you doing?

Leo Laporte (02:25:46):
I almost went to you to recommend LoJack for catalytic converters, but

Dick DeBartolo (02:25:53):
Oh how about a fake webcam?

Leo Laporte (02:25:56):
<Laugh> oh, there you go.

Dick DeBartolo (02:25:58):
With a little blinking. Oh

Leo Laporte (02:26:00):
That's brilliant. Red light. I'm gonna ask you the car. That's a good answer. That's brilliant. I'm watching and I bet you

Dick DeBartolo (02:26:08):
Frugal Fred there. You can probably get one for

Leo Laporte (02:26:10):
Frug Fred. They cost nothing. I'm watching you. Good thing. That's

Dick DeBartolo (02:26:17):
That? That's yeah. And then paint the big eye on your cat on your catatonic converter

Leo Laporte (02:26:22):
<Laugh> oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh my DJ. I mini three shipped. Oh 5 28. It shipped. So just shipped today. That's today. So it means I'll get it later. Next, next week ship. Or create a label

Dick DeBartolo (02:26:50):
Leo at the, at the end of June. Can I swap a Saturday for a Sunday?

Leo Laporte (02:26:53):
Yeah, whatever you want. Okay. You can do whatever you want. <Laugh> cause you're the, the, the GIW well, just to tell us the date and we'll talk to our Sunday folk.

Dick DeBartolo (02:27:04):
Okay. Very good. Yeah. It's the

Leo Laporte (02:27:06):
2050. Actually. You can always do that because nobody's in your slot. The 45. I I know you own that. I've done it before, right? Wow. Ooh. I'm gonna get a DJI golden ticket. What that is. I got the DGI mini three pro fly more kit plus. Wow. I got the refresh two year plan, cuz I'm gonna break it for sure. Oh, I'm excited. Mini three pro J I, well they made the label. Let's see, it says shipped, but I oh, I do have a, it says shipper created a label, but use PS hasn't received the package yet. Oh yeah. I hate it. When that happens.

Dick DeBartolo (02:27:51):
And also ups must do a, a loading of trucks or something at, at five in the morning because I keep getting emails saying we tried to, to deliver your package this morning at 5:12 AM and no one was home.

Leo Laporte (02:28:06):
Yeah. Right. 5:12 AM.

Dick DeBartolo (02:28:09):
Oh yeah. Oh, I I went out at 5:11 AM. Can you believe that?

Leo Laporte (02:28:15):
Yeah. They this is a good one. Apple has that self repair program. Yeah. So they shipped the you only get a week once you get the tools. So they shipped these 79 pounds of tools out, but what the battery, the one ounce battery that was that there, that Micah was gonna use to, it was shipped separately and didn't come. So Mike had called apple and they said, no, you still have to send the stuff back. <Laugh> it's a third party. Oh, interesting. Oh yeah. Clearly apple didn't didn't really care. I guess it came though right yesterday the battery came. Was he able to get it done? Yeah, that happened to me with my MacBook pro very expensive. They said they couldn't find twit, so they returned it to apple. It was very frustrating. So I just didn't buy it. I said, well fine. It cost you $4,000. Everybody dance. Leo LaPorte tech guy. <Inaudible> Hey, Hey, we like to give Dick a few minutes to dance his way into the studio. <Laugh> you are you're good, man. I, I like that slide at the end. That was very, very nicely done. Yeah. Dick de Bartolo mad magazine's mad writer and the GIW and he joins us every week to talk about some crazy Gimo gadget. And I thought, you know, I should ask you frugal. Ed was so frugal

Dick DeBartolo (02:30:12):
<Laugh> that gas was so expensive. He put blank in his tank.

Leo Laporte (02:30:18):
<Laugh> there you go. You're still doing it, man. You still got

Dick DeBartolo (02:30:22):
It. Yeah, still right? Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:30:23):
It's right up there, man. This guy saved the match game, wrote most of the best questions for the match game. How many years was that? That you did that?

Dick DeBartolo (02:30:31):
Match game on and off ran for 18 years. Wow. I mean it's still running around the world

Leo Laporte (02:30:38):
Is yeah, but, but they're not doing new match games,

Dick DeBartolo (02:30:40):
Right? No, no. The Alec Baldwin thing, I think ran four or five seasons and that ended

Leo Laporte (02:30:46):
Still yeah. Match game kind of prime time. Yeah. Yeah. Great stuff though. Great stuff. And you were the guy who wrote all those, you know, frugal led was so frugal instead of putting gas in his gas tank, he put blank,

Dick DeBartolo (02:30:59):
He put blank in, you know, tell frugal, led, buy a cheapy, fake webcam and somehow bolted under the car facing the cataly.

Leo Laporte (02:31:11):
Like not a real one, just like a dummy,

Dick DeBartolo (02:31:13):

Leo Laporte (02:31:13):
Dummy, like I'm watching you.

Dick DeBartolo (02:31:16):
Yeah. Because I mean, the thing is if cars are in a big, long line and a guy sticks his head under, there he goes could be fake, could be real, but the next, why

Leo Laporte (02:31:25):
Take a chance. Right? Make sure the light's blinking though. Right?

Dick DeBartolo (02:31:29):
Exactly. Exactly.

Leo Laporte (02:31:30):
Frugal ed was so frugal instead of putting gas in his gas tank, he put in, I owe U

Dick DeBartolo (02:31:37):
Oh, that's great

Leo Laporte (02:31:38):
Graveyard tuba in our chat room. They're good. They're good. You actually don't you still do the GA the, the, the match game for fun with our, our audience at the chat room, right? Oh,

Dick DeBartolo (02:31:49):
Oh yeah. And, and the GI FIS we do, we play match

Leo Laporte (02:31:51):
Right after this radio show on, you can watch the gizz fizz, play the match game. You do a caption contest, all sorts of fun stuff. So what's your gizmo for the week? Well,

Dick DeBartolo (02:32:03):
Well, you know what? You might be interested in this. Okay.

Leo Laporte (02:32:05):
I always am. I always am. Oh,

Dick DeBartolo (02:32:07):
Okay. Okay. I, I got an email from a, a company called personalized planet. Okay. And so I thought, well, let me go see what personalized planet has. And I stumbled across.

Leo Laporte (02:32:20):
It might be crappy enough to put it on Leo's show. Is that what you were thinking? They,

Dick DeBartolo (02:32:23):
No. Yeah. Well, they make blankets and they make shirts and they make towels. But then I found out that they make L E D customized signs that you can use.

Leo Laporte (02:32:36):
Oh, that's fantastic. So he's holding up a sign that says welcome to the GIW theater. That's looks like it's not neon, but it's cool looking.

Dick DeBartolo (02:32:46):
It's cool. It's an acrylic. And the funny thing is I, I know no one at the company, I just once called customer service. And I said, you know, you show the sign in red and yellow and blue and green, but there's no dropdown menu to what color. And she said, no, it's an RGB. There's a button on the front. You select a color once it arrives. So Leah there, 38 bucks. What? Except it's they have incredible sales. So right now it's 15% off in free shipping. However, you could try this if you want. Maybe it only went to people who bought in the past. Oh, but this

Leo Laporte (02:33:26):
No it's up at the type 15% off. Sitewise no,

Dick DeBartolo (02:33:29):
No. Leo, what, what, what came to me was Memorial day, weekend news weekend. 40

Leo Laporte (02:33:36):
Weekend. 40

Dick DeBartolo (02:33:37):
For 40%.

Leo Laporte (02:33:39):
What? Oh, look at up. And it's not just Hollywood signs. No, I'm gonna get a cat for Lisa. That's so cool. Cuz it's not only just a cat, but it's could have her name on it.

Dick DeBartolo (02:33:50):
Exactly. And Dennis Paul won for his bar. That looks really great.

Leo Laporte (02:33:55):
Oh my golly. Gosh,

Dick DeBartolo (02:33:57):
I, I love, I love this company. I know no one there, but

Leo Laporte (02:34:01):
Personalized plan. Well, you know, I mean, honestly they must have some sort of automated cutter that does these. Yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (02:34:10):
Yes. I guess. Yes.

Leo Laporte (02:34:11):
Or itches them. And

Dick DeBartolo (02:34:12):
Then you can like, like the welcome to, I think everything is 37 95. The welcome to sign is standard. And then there's a bar where you can put in. I think it's up to 18 characters. Like happy birthday is done that way. You get to put the name in at the bottom.

Leo Laporte (02:34:29):
This would be great. You put this for a birthday. I mean, this is, and they've got many, many pages of things

Dick DeBartolo (02:34:37):
Of stuff.

Leo Laporte (02:34:38):
36 different designs. Holy there's a butterfly hearts. There's a in Mobious strip grand kids, infinity sign. They call it. I don't know why. Oh,

Dick DeBartolo (02:34:50):
There's a I, I didn't even go down that far. There's a rocket ship Jetson

Leo Laporte (02:34:56):

Dick DeBartolo (02:34:56):
Yeah. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:34:56):
His name. Yeah. Well it's Jason, but

Dick DeBartolo (02:34:58):
It's great. Fun. And, and very, and it took it takes 10 to 12 days. I think mine came in 10 days and oh, cocktail bar is what Dennis boy, he put a SHA Denny

Leo Laporte (02:35:10):
SHA Denny cocktail,

Dick DeBartolo (02:35:11):

Leo Laporte (02:35:12):
All. When I come out to Disneyland, I want a cocktail at shaded E that's hysterical and yeah. All different colors. Look at that.

Dick DeBartolo (02:35:21):
Yep. And you just select it once you buy it. There's a little button on the, you

Leo Laporte (02:35:25):
Can have a prayer.

Dick DeBartolo (02:35:25):
You can either pick a color or you can have it cycled through all the colors.

Leo Laporte (02:35:29):
Oh, this is cool.

Dick DeBartolo (02:35:31):
And battery operated or USB your choice.

Leo Laporte (02:35:34):
Okay. So you could plug it in so you could just leave it on all the time.

Dick DeBartolo (02:35:37):
Exactly. That's what I do.

Leo Laporte (02:35:39):
Oh, there's a little unicorn. I know you love unicorns. <Laugh> very neat. So go to GIZ, for a link to personalized planet. And for that Memorial day weekend code, that's very nice. And no guarantees, but you know, give it a try. Yeah,

Dick DeBartolo (02:35:57):
Exactly. As I said, I don't know anybody there,

Leo Laporte (02:36:00):
But probably if they get like, they're gonna get a thousand of them now. <Laugh> and they're gonna go, I don't know what happened. <Laugh> but we get a lot of acrylic, light ups to print. That's very cool. While you're at Dick's website, he's see he's the gizmo wizard or GWiz for short and hits his business or biz for short. Oh, Merry. See, I figured out GWiz dot. If you like puzzles, you'll love, thought, what the heck is it contest a chance to win an autograph copy of mad magazine by identifying this lump of blue clay? You know, I'm, I'm seeing something inside there. I'm seeing like a little thing there. I feel like there's something, something going on with this thing. So look at it. That was good. Can I submit that? No, probably not. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's something going on.

Leo Laporte (02:36:52):
This here is a thing Ji with something going on in there up to six Mads for the correct answer up to 12 for the cute, silly answer. Judges decisions are final and they're gonna be playing this all the way through the end of June. So you got a little bit of time to figure it all out. His whiz up is while you're there. Look at the mad magazine memorabilia there. Cuz of course he's, he's the last man standing at mad magazine, the GWiz garb edge and mad collectibles and the match game collectibles and all of the, all of the above GWiz do is Dick's great. Podcast with OMG Chad, right? Yes, sir. He still call himself. OMG, Chad. He's mostly doing Chad these days and dropped the red in the hair. He's not his, hair's not red. No, he's become a man.

Leo Laporte (02:37:43):
<Laugh> I said it. Wait, he was, I love Lucy before what? Okay. I'm not gonna ask it's okay. Hey, it's wonderful to have you Dick as always have a great week. You too, buddy. I'll see you next week. See you next week. That wraps it up for this thrilling gripping edition of the GI Wiz and the tech guy. I hope I hope Michael Sergeant will be back next week with us. He'll be feeling, I hope you're feeling better, Micah. Oh my God. Yeah, we, we love doing this show with Micah Sergeant I'll be back of course, next time all by my myself on Sunday. And I hope you will too. Thanks to professor Laura, our musical director, thanks to Kim Schaffer, France and the phones. Thanks. Most of all, to those of you who merely listen, cuz that's probably the hardest work of all.

Leo Laporte (02:38:32):
Thank you. And I hope you come back again next week. Leo Laportee the tech guy. Remember the website tech guy tech guy That's free and has all the links, everything we talk about on the radio show. Leo Laporte, The Tech Guy will see you next time. Have a great and safe geek week. Well, that's it for The Tech Guy show for today. Thank you so much for being here and don't forget twit T w I T it stands for this week at tech and you'll find, including the podcasts for this show. We talk about windows on windows, weekly, Macintosh, a Mac break, weekly iPads, iPhones, apple watches on iOS, today's security and security. Now, I mean, I can go on and on and on. And of course the big show every Sunday afternoon, this week in tech, you'll find it and I'll be back next week with another great tech guy show. Thanks for joining me. We'll see you next time.

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