All About Android Episode 567 Transcript

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Jason Howell (00:00:00):
Coming up next on All About Android. It's me, Jason Howell, and my co-hosts Ron Richards and Huyen Tue Dao. And we have a lot to talk about because this is the week of mobile world Congress. That's right. Hamman is on. We talk about news and devices that we're announced, namely OnePlus, oppo, real me honor, TCL poco. We even have news from Qualcomm about lossless audio over Bluetooth. And then we have other news, including the ways the play store helps users, vet apps, and why is at and T mucking around with RCS chat, plus your email and a whole lot more next on this supersized episode of All About Android.

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Ron Richards (00:01:48):
And I'm Ron Richards,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:01:49):
And I'm Huyen Tue Dao.

Jason Howell (00:01:51):
Yeah, we's back! How's it going y'all?

Ron Richards (00:01:55):
Hey, doing good.

Jason Howell (00:01:57):
We're

Ron Richards (00:01:57):
Here. Kicking, kicking off March, right. Is March 1st.

Jason Howell (00:02:00):
Oh my goodness. It's already a, a quarter of the year

Ron Richards (00:02:04):
Snuck up on you. Not yet. We've got 30 more days till we're done

Jason Howell (00:02:07):
With a quarter of the year's true. Okay. Right. If it wanna be specific, that's very true.

Ron Richards (00:02:12):
February is just a short month. It just ends very quickly on it. It leaks up on you. So

Jason Howell (00:02:17):
Yeah. Well, what's weird now is that we've got what is it? Daylight saving time is like a, what? A two weeks, Half or something like this.

Ron Richards (00:02:25):
It's the, it's the 13th, March 13th. It will be like that. Yeah, I know. That's crazy.

Jason Howell (00:02:28):
Which I don't mind at all. I like the, when the, when the clock switches in this direction, actually that it's lighter later in everything, but it's just like, I, I just feel like I live in a time machine these days.

Ron Richards (00:02:40):
It's, it's tough. Well, speaking a time machine. I, I mentioned this earlier in our, a little private chat. I didn't get a response, but I got here in the home front, I got a, I got a treadmill something I've been meaning to do for a while because I was tired of not being able to run in the winter. And so I picked up a treadmill with one of those displays in front of it. And it has Netflix and Disney plus and all that stuff. And so as I was like playing, they installed it. They like came and built it today and I looked at it and sure enough, it's, it's, it's running Android.

Jason Howell (00:03:08):
Huh?

Ron Richards (00:03:09):
I thought that was it. So both Boflex the Bowflex.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:03:13):
Oh cool.

Ron Richards (00:03:15):
Cause

Jason Howell (00:03:15):
I think the Peloton also runs Android if I'm

Ron Richards (00:03:18):
Not like, and, and like, it, it was it last week. When, when did we have was last, what, who was it? Two weeks ago. Two weeks ago. A few weeks ago. Two weeks ago. Yeah. Yeah. Right, right. Yeah. When we when we had Gabriel on, when we were talking about Android on devices, other than, other than phones and tablets, like on like kiosk and things like that, it's that immediate sort of thing. I don't know what version it is, but obviously you can't, you like when I hooked up the wifi, it was like, it's, it's, you know, it's unmistakable Android, so yeah.

Jason Howell (00:03:45):
Yeah. So what what are you gonna side load on your treadmill?

Ron Richards (00:03:50):
The great, the great thing was is that I got this one because it had everything that I need, so I don't need to side load it because also my wife needs to use it. Yeah. And so I don't want to add any, like, it was, you know, I don't wanna add any too, too many obstacles to actually get to using the darn thing. Yeah. So I got this one because it had all the apps kind of pre-installed and in good shape there. So we'll see. I haven't been able to use it yet. But I'll play with it. I'll report back, but it's running Android. So there you go, Android in the wild when you least expect it,

Jason Howell (00:04:19):
Actually at this point. And I kind of expected when it, you know, when there's an OS running on random device, like a treadmill or, you know, the seat back on it on a airplane or whatever, I kind of expect that it's running Android and I'm surprised when it's not it seems like more and more, that just happens.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:04:35):
Yeah. That's a game we used to play when my husband and I would travel. Like if you go to like a museum or something, you see like a tablet, we kind of like start messing around with it, trying to see if we could see like what, like version of Android it was. And it, it actually, invariably was ice cream sandwich for like a long time. You'd get that really characteristic, light blue, like outline on the, on the dialogues. But it was actually like back then, like 2016, 2014, it was kind of fun because Android still felt kind of scrappy and under doggy. Yeah. Then when you would go to like somewhere and like there's Android, everyone's like, just like, you know, selfly yeah.

Jason Howell (00:05:08):
Nothing but now. Yeah. Yeah. Well, right on.

Ron Richards (00:05:13):
And then, and then just a one last timely thing, but a quick shout out to our sister in arms Florence ion who her and along with her fellow workers that get motor on strike. So a quick vote of solidarity to the GMG union and wish them luck and all that fun stuff. So

Jason Howell (00:05:28):
Yes, indeed totally, totally there for you flow wishing y'all luck 

Ron Richards (00:05:35):
Be strong, be

Jason Howell (00:05:35):
Strong. Yes. All right. Well we've got a busy week this week because we talked about last week, it's mobile world Congress week, and we've got two huge sections of hardware devoted to MWC, but we're not there yet because Burke it's time for the news. He wasn't ready. So not ready.

Ron Richards (00:06:02):
He made sure Burke was happy, but he wasn't prepared for Android news.

Ron Richards (00:06:07):
There you go. All right. So it was funny cuz just recently I was talking with some of my friends who aren't in the mobile phone, Android, a technology world. And I was talking about this podcast and they were teasing me a little bit. And they're like, what are some of like the hot button topics that you guys really get into arguments about on All About Android? And I was like, well actually messaging is the, is the topic that keeps coming up and our coming back. Yeah. Yeah. And so I started, I started explaining it and then they interrupted me that I didn't actually wanna know. So it was those situations. But but, but, so it's funny how, you know, I feel like we can't go two weeks without RCS coming up. And here it is, you know, and even though RCS was meant to be the thing to unite us all, and it really felt like we were getting there into the promise land.

Ron Richards (00:06:54):
Apparently at T is rolling out its own RCS in the new galaxy S 22 devices on it network at and T appears to be using its own RCS protocol on the device instead of Googles and users, users are complaining that RCS features only work with other at and T RCS users messages with anyone else. Are you seeing standard SMS, M and MMS messages at T representatives and support forums seem to confirm that RCS only works between S 22 devices using at and T's RCS and no word on when or if this might ever change. And like, all I have to say to this is I don't wanna curse, but G D like, come on haven't we been here enough, like, so now at, and is gonna, is gonna replicate the same sins that apple has done with, with our own technology, what blah. And of course, if anybody was gonna do it, it was gonna be at and T right. Of

Jason Howell (00:07:48):
Course. Super frustrating. Yeah. And I don't know you know, it's kind of uncertain, like what the, what the long term kind of Anne is here. Like, like as I was reading the, the different coverage, you know, the, the Reddit threads and then the coverage of the Reddit threads and everything, it doesn't seem like there's any definitive from at and T saying, yes, that's right. Going forward. We're using our own flavor of RCS and it's going to make it so that these things happen, you know, that you aren't able to have RCS come conversations with the people the way you used to. Like, there's no confirmation of that yet. So I don't know, you know, from, from my perspective, it's hard to know whether this is like, this is actually the future of at and T RCS or RCS on at and T devices. Or if this is just some weird thing that for whatever reason is, is present in Galaxys 22, and it's some,

Ron Richards (00:08:41):
Why would be address S 22? Why would it be S 22 specific? Like, yeah, it's like, is, is this gonna woo you to get an S 22? Because then you can have like, like, like this, this seems like if they're gonna roll it out, they would roll it out with the S 22, cuz it was such a large thing and then apply it to their entire network. Yeah. That's that's but that's my speculation.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:08:58):
It's an oo, an anti anti wing. Oo that's yeah.

Jason Howell (00:09:04):
Don't necessarily wanna be oo when you're trying to sell a new device, although I don't, you know, how many people are, are shopping for in the new S 22 and are going to hear about this or read about this, probably be a small percentage of people would even understand, you know, reading an article about this, what it actually means, but it's just unfortunate considering that it's, you know what we've been saying on this show and what people have been saying about RCS is, Hey, here's a great way to kind of like unify things a little bit more across a large swath of device so that everybody's kind of talking the same messaging language and wait a minute. No, no. Are we going into a fragmentation world with RCS? Was this the plan to begin with? Like, you know, not too long ago, the carriers were creating their own flavor of RCS. Right. And then Google like went ahead and pulled the trigger. Well, we're putting it on all the phones and then the carriers kinda like stopped their collective thing that they had going on. And cause they

Ron Richards (00:10:03):
Couldn't, they couldn't meet eye to eye. Right. Like who knows why they

Jason Howell (00:10:06):
Stopped? Yeah. For whatever reason that was. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I would Ima I would assume that's the, the reason that that seems to make a lot of sense, but then it seemed all, kind of jumped into the, the Google RCS thing. And ultimately that makes everyone happy. Right. Because the communication is not broken in that way. So then to revert, you know, like, is this at and T being like, well, yeah, well, we've been working on it. I realize you've been doing the Google thing, but we've been working on ours and we have it now, here we go. Don't you love it. And meanwhile, it it's like breaks everything that everybody's used to. It's just super unfortunate and lame, lame.

Ron Richards (00:10:43):
It

Huyen Tue Dao (00:10:44):
Just seems like a sunk cost fallacy a lot of times. And I it's, it's very common. I think when, especially in companies, when you're developing, you put resources and time into something that you get the sunk cost fallacy, where, okay. We put effort into it, there might be a better way, but it's gonna us, us additional money, or it's gonna be someone else's solution, but we'll just stick with ours for better, for worse, you know, like it's a, what is it like a phrase like somebody should work with you. We said like the hill you die on. Yeah. Right. Apparently yeah. Apparently their own flavor of RCS is the hill that at and T while they're not gonna die, but you know, wants to, you know, settle down and have a picnic on for a while. I mean, while the rest of us are like, are you making liars out of S a T and T with our like prophesizing of RCS solving everyone's problems, but it's just that, that thing, right. It's like, yeah, you can complain about Google and the manufacturers. And then yet there's, there's yet another factor in Android F word

Jason Howell (00:11:32):
Fragmentation. Yeah. Say it

Huyen Tue Dao (00:11:34):
Is the carriers. Just how

Ron Richards (00:11:36):
Many, how many, how many of F can we have an

Jason Howell (00:11:40):
Android? That's that's

Huyen Tue Dao (00:11:41):
Many, many, many, yeah.

Jason Howell (00:11:43):
It's a fragmentation of, of F-word basically. Yes.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:11:48):
Is that like the plural of the F word? A fragmentation?

Jason Howell (00:11:51):
Yes. A ation of effort. I like that. F's all over the place on Android. Yeah. I, I can't imagine that if, if this is the at and T RCS in action and what we have to look forward to is an at and T RCS that doesn't communicate with the Google RCS in a way to where all Android users can kind of talk the same language and messaging apps. I can't imagine that that survives. I can't imagine that it lasts that at T's doing itself any favors. I don't know. A part of me just feels like it's an accident and that we'll find out, you know, a week later that that it's all back to normal. But as of the recording, as time of this recording, it does not appear to be an accident or rather they haven't undone it. So I don't know, I don't know what this leads to, but I don't like it. I don't like it one bit.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:12:44):
No. Nope. So last year Android announced that they would have a new kind of safety section in the Google play store, which basically req wires, developers to specifically state every single, like permission that they request and what they specifically used for. And it was kind of like a little bit muddy at the time, but the I think about the like last quarter of 2021, they started kind of making the information required, available to devs. And I actually, I, I had to help answer these questions at work. And the idea was that you had to have basically filled out this information, which is again, like what features you use in specifically for what and also like whether a user, whether this is like a permanent, like reque permission that you're needing or an optional one. And the idea was that these had to be done by end of Q2, which I guess is like, what June? Now you have a little bit more time. If you're an Android dev to answer these questions about what permissions you need. And I think they said July 20, 22 is when developers will need to make sure that they correctly fill out the placers data safety section. And if you don't get it done by July, 2022, there will be ramifications

Jason Howell (00:13:55):
Probably like

Huyen Tue Dao (00:13:57):
Dun dun. So, you know, it is pretty interesting because this, this safety section will be visible for users and hopefully give a little bit more kind of human readable, a little less, you know, like, I mean, we could always like, see what permissions and app use, but now there's actually requesting of a purpose. Like, why do you need this thing? Why do you need to know mine number, et cetera, et cetera. So hopefully users can make more of a informed choice about what permissions they give apps or just like whether they wanna download an app at all. Would, would you, do you, do you all ever pay attention to permissions or is this kind of interesting to you? Would you, would you, did it lead an app based on the safety section that they were an UN if they had an unsafe section? That sounds well, I

Ron Richards (00:14:37):
Gotta tell you before, before we answer that, I will say this throws off all my plans for my future mobile development.

Jason Howell (00:14:41):
I mean,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:14:42):
I,

Ron Richards (00:14:42):
I, this just, this just, this is a major we need to pivot now. We totally need to pivot now. I, I will be, I will be honest. I do not look at anything when I go to install an app, but I go to install the app. I've decided I want it. And like, I'm not looking at the developer notes. I'm not looking at the reviews. Like, I'm just like, oh, let me get that and do it. I probably should. But in the moment, you know, like it's, it's, it, it falls back on that trusted source. Like if I'm looking for like a ruler app and I don't recognize any of, of the developers, I might read a little bit about it, but if I'm looking for like, you know, if, if Google releases a new app or Facebook or some other like you know, kind of develop, you know, company that I tr Trello company that I trust.

Ron Richards (00:15:24):
And, and now I'm just gonna install it blindly that said there have been apps that I've installed and then open. And then I get the dialogue saying this app that wants access to your phone. And I'm like, wait a minute. That app doesn't need access to my phone. That's when I pause, that's when I stop, I feel like that that intersection in giving the app level permission, as you're using it really change the way we look at what apps are doing. But before that, that, before that point, I'm not, I mean, if they can, if they can, that kind of get in your face with what the permissions are, when you go to install it, then maybe I'll look at it. But right now it's, it's blind. So what about you, Jason?

Jason Howell (00:15:59):
Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm, I'm a, with some apps I'm totally right there with you, Ron. Like usually I, I also don't install a whole lot of apps these days. You know, I'm probably part of the reason because we don't have the arena around anymore, but you know, so when I am to a point where I'm gonna install an app, it's like, I've discovered it somehow. I don't, I don't really go into the play store and, and choose blindly, right? Like the there's, there's some sort of referral or recommendation or article that I read or something built around an app that usually crosses my, my path that acts at least to a certain degree as at least part of the vetting system that I have. But I do when I go to install an app, I definitely do look at things like comments and rating and everything like that, because I find it useful to go down there and at least just glance at it and see, like, what are the last few people that have installed this?

Jason Howell (00:16:52):
Like, what are they? And if it's a lot of one stars and like, yeah, holy cow, this thing is, you know, riddled with, with, you know, really invasive ads or this thing, you know, the developer, whatever the complaints are. Yeah. Then I'm gonna use that. I'm probably not gonna install it. I totally refer to that. Do I look at you know, would I look at a data safety section? I think it probably would. I don't think I would do that with every app, but I am of the opinion that more data, you know, more information's better than less, especially when it comes to this stuff. And especially now in this time where people are a lot more sensitive to data and privacy and security and, and all this stuff. So absolutely. I applaud that. They're making this more transparent. I'm curious for you, when do you have a sense of kind of the temperature of developers? You know, this is more information that developers have to kind of build in, so it requires more work a, but it also to certain developers, like they might, they might be okay with the fact that people don't understand completely the mechanics and they might not. And by the way, they might not even be able be doing something wrong behind the scenes. Yeah. It's just, that's another speed bump in the way of someone downloading their app.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:18:05):
Yeah. I mean, I, I honestly feel like in, I think this is coming from being at a company where when GDPR came out, we had to kind of be all hands on deck and, and like reevaluate things. And that was actually more traumatic, like having to kind of make sure that we were GDPR compliant, which meant we had to ate a lot of data we had to audit. So we, I mean, we've kind of been through this dance before and, and a lot more kind of an intense fashion where we had to very carefully audit what data we were keeping, whether it was personally identifying data, like very specific things about a person or kind of more generic things where you can't identify a person. So I feel like when it came to this, be like, ah, this is old hat, you know? And I, I think generally speaking, at least for the devs that I know and, and like to this is not actually that bad of a process, it's basically a survey.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:18:51):
And I think in a lot of ways it keeps you honest. Yeah, it's, it's really like, and, and there's not really like a prove, you know, prove it. There's basically like, okay, a list of features like fit data position geolocation personal name, email yada yada activity. And you basically say, yes, I use it then specifically the purpose that you use it for. And it's not like a fillin box where you have to kind of come up with a good story and like, you know, like backing up and, and references. It's literally just like, okay, pick a category for whether it's fraud detection or account management, yada yada. So it's not really that bad, but I think to some extent there, there would be repercussions if you kind of flagrantly lie probably in some way that can verify. But I think a lot of us understand these days, that data and privacy are just not gonna go away as concerns, you know, especially in the last like five years with everything that's happened in the world.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:19:42):
I think users are, you know, in general, I think at least a kind of general feeling of consciousness about data and privacy and, you know, hopefully good developers will respect. And I, I don't think I, I can, I'd like to say that I think most people can recognize when they might be using data that they don't need to use. And whereas before, you know, in the early days you could kind of get away with it or there wasn't really a lot of ways maybe for people to bad actors to, to like take advantage of that. We're kind of more aware now of, of like the repercussions of, you know, you know, just like storing plane, plane, text passwords in your database. There's certain things that you just don't wanna do. And I think all of us, as, as long as you're trying to do your job right.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:20:22):
Understand that. And so this is kind of like, yeah, no biggie is just kind of part of the thing. And like, they obviously gave you an extra month to do it. So I think we're all, I think we're down with it. I think we're down with it. And in a way I think for us, I think the most heat that we got so far is internally, you know, especially again with being company that cares a lot and is like kind of in multi, in multiple nations or is a multi country company. And we're having to worry about a lot more serious laws is just like, this is just part of the daily thing. This is just things that we have to be aware of. And it kind of lets us audit things that we don't need and, and kind of reevaluate and just be good citizens. So I think generally I would say most people are positive about it. I, I would be really surprised if someone was like griping about doing this. Cause it's it, it's really not that hard. And it's a declaration of, Hey, I am not a. I'm

Jason Howell (00:21:11):
Not gonna, I am not a crook.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:21:13):
I am not a crook.

Jason Howell (00:21:14):
I'm not a crook.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:21:15):
So yeah. It's, it's kind of just the cost of doing business and I, that's a very like more cold way of saying it, but yeah, be, be a, be a good person and like let people know what you're using their data for.

Jason Howell (00:21:27):
Yeah. So actually this next story kind of ties into this to a certain degree. Some play store users are actually noticing some pretty interesting and, you know, I would say alarming changes to listings on the play store that make it hard to know if an app is still being updated. So this is, this is unrelated to what we were just talking about, but related to this idea of using the play store in a way that allows us to kind of keep tabs, as far as, you know, how, how an app is being maintained, is it safe, you know, making those value judgements and those safety judgements for ourselves as users, the last updated date is disappearing for a number of users. Well, as the what's new section and what's new, you know, that's usually the section where like change log information ends up now whether, whether the developer actually puts meaningful information in the, in the change log, that's another story, but that's where it would go could be a bug Google hasn't acknowledged this as of yet, but it could also be a feature because last November, Google was running a test, an AB test in actually removing that last updated section from listings which I don't know, in my opinion, you know, again, it goes back to what I, what I just said earlier, you know, more information is better than less.

Jason Howell (00:22:47):
I definitely use of the updated the updated field to know if an app I'm installing has been updated recently. Okay. That developer is actually still active versus an, an app that hasn't been updated for four years. Eh, I'm gonna be less like to, to install that or recommend that.

Ron Richards (00:23:05):
That's a very good reminder, Jason, that I, I looked at, I looked at the updated date more often, I think, to see if it's dormant or active or not, or real or not. Right. And, and if someone is actively updating their app, then you know, it's being maintained, you know, it's safe, you know, it's got security things. If the app has been updated for, for me, it's really like six months, anything beyond six months, I'm like that makes me a little nervous. So yeah.

Jason Howell (00:23:30):
Yeah. So hopefully it's just a bug and not a feature. And again, if it, if it is a feature that they're getting rid of that kind of information, I don't know. That just seems honestly, that seems like really valuable information. I couldn't see Google saying yeah, no one needs to know that. Yeah. The change

Ron Richards (00:23:48):
Log

Huyen Tue Dao (00:23:48):
Is the change log is super weird. Like the last updated you could ki you, I could kind of like squint my eyes and okay. Maybe, but the change log is, is really weird because especially if you have a security update or if you have like a brand new feature, that's kind of what that's. And also we put a lot of effort change log. We're kind of like, like, I think there's a history on Andrew at least of funny change logs. So it, it we'd have one last thing to torture our, whoever's doing the release with, with the, the pressure to write cute release notes. So I'm very,

Ron Richards (00:24:18):
I will, I will say for my, for my day job app, I, I often write the, I, I often write the release notes and I'm like, nobody's reading this. Like, why like, and I'm, I'm this close to putting in, like, if you're reading this email, this address to get a prize, like that sort of thing.

Jason Howell (00:24:36):
So hopefully, hopefully that goes away. And you know, I checked on my end and I still get the, the, these fields. So I

Huyen Tue Dao (00:24:43):
Actually, I mix, I noticed this actually last month, I've been trying to like look into like strength, like a weight, like a weight tracker, like, like just tracking how, like the weight I'm lifting is like progressing. And I, I totally noticed this. I thought it was like me. I was like, that's really weird. Why isn't, why can't I see the change log? Why can't I see last updated? Oh, cause, cause it's gone for you and it was gone. And like I kind of like, as you already, as you'all already said, I use that to kind of compare. So if I have three or four apps that are very comparable to me, I'll check the date to see which one is the most actively updated or check the change log to see what kind of things they're doing. Like, are they adding new features? Are they responding to security kind of issues? So, yeah, it w I, I just picked, I installed everything, unfortunately and gonna see who wins in my own personal, you know thunder dome of, of strength training apps.

Jason Howell (00:25:31):
See, this is why we need an arena. We need a wind focus arena. Yes. To tell us which app you end up with. So

Ron Richards (00:25:38):
When, by the way, LA last week we were, we were talking about possibly bringing the, all the, the app arena back in some, you know, kind of maybe monthly format or something like that. We haven't worked it out yet. Maybe Jason will discuss that over drinks next week. But yeah, I, I, I, I would love to get your, your kind of take on evaluating apps. Yeah. You know, cuz Jason and I did it for a decade, but yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:26:00):
Oh, it's it's, it was so much pressure when I, whenever I was a gas, I know I was kinda like Jason, like I don't download that much stuff anymore. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:26:06):
It's exactly. Yeah. Yep. It's it's not, you know, it's yeah. It's not part of my habit anymore. And, and there were times when inviting guests on where I kind of felt, you know, a little, little bad for, for the guests. Cause I'm like, yeah, I

Ron Richards (00:26:20):
Really put them on the

Jason Howell (00:26:20):
Spot. Totally. It's like, come up with an app that you recommend. But by tonight, you know,

Ron Richards (00:26:27):
Maybe, maybe Jason, we make sure maybe we do it when we don't have guests on the episode. Cause I do with you there. Yeah, for sure. Cause some guests at work, but some, some guests were into it. But yeah, but, but not for everybody, which is fair

Huyen Tue Dao (00:26:38):
And more options for us too. This give us more like to work with,

Ron Richards (00:26:43):
But I will say the big, the big problem with the app arena was that it just got to the point where like the, the, the game changer apps had happened and like, you know, and there was just a lot of, you know, like, and we were looking at games and we're looking at, which is neat and fun, but like, for me, like I wanna find like, what is that thing that changes the way I use the phone, you know,

Jason Howell (00:27:02):
Of a unicorn. Totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's you, you put it perfectly. That was, I would say the big reason is like, okay, well what are, what is the value that we're really adding with the arena? If we're all just like, you know, we're, we're not installing all of these apps and they're not on our phone, you know, in perpetuity forever and ever. So then is it an app that we truly recommend for every do that with? And you know, at a certain point it's kinda like, okay, what, what are we doing here?

Ron Richards (00:27:27):
Yeah. Back in the, back in the good old days when it's like, we were looking for a better camera app, you know? Yeah. The stock camera app does what I needed to do and like, you know, yeah. So totally

Huyen Tue Dao (00:27:37):
Maybe introduc do it with large screen stuff. Like maybe as we get to large screen worlds, maybe we should start curating large screen, like, like experience, be like, Hey, maybe this is what,

Ron Richards (00:27:47):
Yeah. When you're talking about language, I would love a tablet specific arena. That'd be fantastic. That'd be really cool. Yeah. But again, but we'd fall back on the tablet problem, which is their media. It's gonna be media apps. It's gonna be like, it is interesting. But, but yeah, I, I love exploring the idea of either, either the large or foldables or something like that in some way of, you know, apps that utilize the, the device in a way that we're not used to. Yeah.

Ron Richards (00:28:11):
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Jason Howell (00:30:30):
Thank you, streak. All right. And you know, I told you earlier, it's gonna be a hardware heavy show, mobile world. Congress is a thing it's happening now, and you're gonna get it for like the next 30 minutes, probably ish. So let's do it. Boom. I don't know how dizzy it's been in Barcelona because of a world Congress, but I know they've got a lot of device announcements.

Ron Richards (00:30:59):
I, I do miss, like I, I, and how of is virtual versus in person? Like have they opened up? I have no idea. I don't know. I, I don't know anybody who's there. Yeah. And I can't imagine many people are traveling abroad, especially given the state of things. Right. yeah.

Jason Howell (00:31:12):
Yeah. Like I know she Lowe from, in gadget was there or is there, you know, there are people there for sure, but it's, but it's not the same, you know, it's, it's gotta be lower attendance. It used to be in years past I mobile world Congress would happen and my Twitter feed was just exploding with Barcelona. And it's not, of course, times are weird right now, everything going on, you know, in the Ukraine you know, is, is totally taking precedent over a lot of this stuff. So that could part

Ron Richards (00:31:44):
Of which totally

Jason Howell (00:31:44):
Be part of it too.

Ron Richards (00:31:45):
Totally agreed. And I just did a quick Twitter search just for the keywords mobile world Congress. And there are 2,250 tweets today that said mobile world Congress, that's it? What 250? That

Jason Howell (00:31:57):
Feels very low. That doesn't make sense to me, but yeah. Well you go. All right. So yes. And I tried to, I did my best to kind of like group these things so that, you know it, it makes sense. And isn't just a, a whole spattering of, of specs and everything cuz sometimes more world Congress coverage can be that way, but there's some pretty cool stuff. So when you've got the first one you've got yeah, possibly one of the more interesting ones I would say.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:32:26):
Yeah. So this is actually a little bit software E along with being hardware E the one plus 10 pro will launch next month. Now last year with the official kind of merging of oppo oppo oppo, is that oppo I'm so sorry.

Jason Howell (00:32:40):
No, you don't, you don't have to be sorry cuz you know, I feel like I've, I've heard the, the answer a million times and I still say both of them, like I flop between them all the time oppo,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:32:49):
Right. Oppo oppo. So the, with the official merger of oppo in OnePlus of their R and D and, and development or R and D teams, they had planned to actually the one plus the OnePlus OS oxygen OS with OPOs color OS the idea was to kind of merge the, like, like the good things about oxygen O OS and the good things about color OS, but it seems like they're actually backing off of that. So after the announcement last year at M WC, they have said, no, no, no, no, no, we're gonna, instead of giving you a global OS, we're gonna give you oxygen OS 13. And in fact this isn't just kind of a delay, but it's just kind of a reworking of their strategy in that they're going to continue with just oxygen O OS and not with a unified you know, interface rather operating system, rather for the oppo other op devices and the OnePlus.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:33:38):
It sounds like it, it actually came from feedback from the community where I think there was just a lot of call for just keeping oxygen OS as is. And so you're getting oxygen OS 12.1 13, 12.1 with your one plus temper, which is, I think is really interesting in terms of like, you know, still being a unified like, like device brand, but you know, still keeping these separate like experiences, which kind of, it feels like a thing, right? Like I, it always feels like once device mergers happen kind of like they wanna consolidate all the things create like a general, you know, unified brand experiences. But in this case they actually seem like they listened to the community feedback and said, okay, you want oxygen OS still we'll give you oxygen OS. So it's been a long time. I've used a OnePlus device. So I don't really have much skin in this game. I don't know if either of y'all have like feelings one way or the other on keeping with the oxygen OS

Jason Howell (00:34:31):
We've certainly talked about it on the show over, over the last year, mainly because people have been upset about it, right. As you know, OnePlus just as a brand, you know, it's, it's identity has shifted in the last couple of years. And so it's easy to look at a few kind of key reasons why, and this like this like blurring of the lines between oppo and OnePlus could be seen as, as a very large part of that. Right. And so, yeah, this unified OS, I think a lot of people saw as kind of like more of the personality of OnePlus kind of being drained out and replaced by this kind of like merged combined blah kind of color OS oxygen OS combination thing. So I, I, yeah, I'm, I'm curious to know if the people who felt really strongly about it, because I, I don't know that I have felt that strongly about the merge OS.

Jason Howell (00:35:31):
Like I, my interest in, in in OnePlus has, has drifted a little bit, but I, I, I don't feel like I'm in the camp of like, they better not merge these things. Otherwise it's done for one plus, you know, like I don't really care that much as far as, as far as that's concerned, but I do like oxygen OS and have like the oxygen OS. So the fact that they're keeping it, I don't know, kind of makes me me happier. I don't know if it changes every, but it makes me happier. What do you think, Ron?

Ron Richards (00:35:59):
I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm not currently a user, so yeah, I, I, it's hard, you know, go back to, do we have skin in the game? You know, but IGA, like I, even when I was a OnePlus user, I, I adored my, my time with OnePlus when I had the seven and the eight remember the little retractable camera, my phone. That was fun. That was a fun phone. Yes. But I can't, I can't say that I liked the phone because of oxygen OS back then. So I can't say that. I like, you know, I'm glad about it now. I'm glad they're keeping some identity, the purest and the folks who want it like this, this was the result. This was the result people wanted. Right? Yeah. So

Jason Howell (00:36:34):
I'm happy.

Ron Richards (00:36:35):
I'm hap I can be happy for them in that regard. But yeah, I, I, I didn't find that. Yeah. I, I just didn't find that much about oxygen OS that was so compelling that made me stay, let's

Jason Howell (00:36:46):
Put it that way. Well, and even oxygen OS has changed a lot. You know, years, you know, just a couple of years ago, oxygen OS was very different than what it is now. They had that refresh that kind of redesign of G OS before they announced that they were gonna merge the OSS and refresh it again. And you know, prior to that, it was very much a here's, here's a, stockish Android, here's a vanilla ish Android, but with some really extra, you know, kind of key bonus features that make it, you know, more better for powerful or for power users. And then they kind of went in the direction of like a Samsung and went full on with the skin and really kind of, you know, changed the look and feel of everything with it. And that kind of turned people off too. So the oxygen OS that you're getting as a result of this announcement is the latter and not the former. So it might still tick you off if you were upset of the before. So I know you can't please, everybody

Ron Richards (00:37:43):
Definitely can't make everybody happy. Yeah. Or anybody happy.

Jason Howell (00:37:46):
Right, right, right. Exactly. But we will be getting the, the 10 pro as well here pretty soon. Yeah. So by the end of the month, so that's good too, which I'm, I'm always curious to see you know, a flagship OnePlus device and, and put it through its paces. So hopefully we get the chance to do that. And then of course, you know, it's almost like this first half of the, the mobile world Congress block is oppo OnePlus. Real me, they're all part of the same kind of big GL it together. So so bear with that, but oppo news from mobile world Congress the fine X five and X five pro flagships were announced. You know, I don't, I don't need to dive too deeply into these, but some of the things that stuck out for me or stuck out for me, the pro has a ceramic design. So what you're seeing right there is the pro the ceramic design definitely has kind of a unique kind of a, a camera bump area too. It's like kinda curvy little soft, you know what I mean? Not hard edges integrated. Yeah. Yeah. It looks nice. Like, I actually look at that design. I like that a lot.

Ron Richards (00:38:58):
So yeah. I actually do like that. Yeah. That, it's pretty cool.

Jason Howell (00:39:01):
It's very striking. 

Ron Richards (00:39:03):
It's striking yes. 

Jason Howell (00:39:06):
Ceramic design on that one. I think the, I think the X five might be, I can't remember if that's glass and then the X five pros, a ceramic one also has a me, I think it's called the me Silicon X chip, which is advanced imaging and video processing inside the device kind of similar to what you get out of Google's visual core chip. So I think that's probably more like their AI processing for the camera features and stuff. So, and then outside of that, you know, your, your standard specs the, the lower end, the snap 8 88, the upper end, the snap eight gen one you know, ha both have really great displays high res 10 80 P on the, the lower 1440 P on the upper IP 68 protection on the pro. And these are clocking in around 999 euros to start that's for the X five and then a hundred sorry, 1000, 299 euros for the X five pro. So definitely their, their flagships. I'm trying to think if I've really spent a whole lot of time with oppo devices in recent years, and don't think that I have don't get many opportunities. That's why we bring Mateo on when

Ron Richards (00:40:21):
We do right. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. I can't say, I can't say I've ever even seen an OPPA device in, in person.

Jason Howell (00:40:27):
Yeah. I'm sure he's brought one in. But they also mentioned that they're doing a tablet, so they're gonna have their first tablet, which you know, some of the articles that I read about this, we're getting excited about the fact that if A's doing a tablet, then that probably means that OnePlus we'll do a tablet at some point, cause they share so much between each side which is, which is totally true. This is an 11 inch tablet with a Snapdragon eight 70 processor, stylist support. It is launching with Android 11. But, and, and it's only launching in China, at least for now, but converted, the price comes around 363 to $474. So, you know not a bad looking tablet kind of has a weird but interesting kind of graphical kind of pop art thing on the back. I like it a lot.

Ron Richards (00:41:19):
Yeah. Yeah. I like it. Yeah. Yeah. Tell you, this is the year of the tablet I'm telling you, I think this is this, is there gonna be all the rage?

Jason Howell (00:41:24):
I think, I think you're, you're you're right. To an extent, you know, Google has shown more interest in tablets. And so I think probably I'm guessing what we'll see is more hardware manufacturers saying, okay, let's try this out again. If Google's putting effort into it, we wanna be there because maybe, you know, we don't wanna miss out. And what does this mean for, for the tablet ecosystem on Android? You know, we can cross our fingers and hope that it means something.

Ron Richards (00:41:48):
Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:41:49):
You know, and then finally fast tracking sorry. Fast charging was part of APOs announcements. They announced a number of things. They announced 150 Watts, super VO charging that's super V O O C. So 150 Watts. And we break that down 40 500 million amp hour battery can charge from zero to 50% in five minutes.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:42:15):
That's amazing.

Ron Richards (00:42:16):
She's,

Jason Howell (00:42:17):
That's almost hard. That's hard to even like, I, I

Ron Richards (00:42:21):
Kind of fathom. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:42:22):
It's hard to fathom that like five minutes, zero to 100% in 15 minutes. And they announced that this is actually going to debut in a one device in the second quarter of this year. So this isn't one of those technologies that you hear about and you're like, wow, that's amazing. And then you never see it. Apparently it's coming to a OnePlus device later this year. So not bad. I just hope the battery can, can hold up the

Ron Richards (00:42:50):
Time. I, yeah, I hope the, yeah, it doesn't blow up. Right? Like it just, you're playing with, you're playing with fire there. Literally. Hopefully

Huyen Tue Dao (00:42:57):
Not. Yeah. It's hopefully not literally there.

Jason Howell (00:42:59):
Yeah. Yeah. Well, they did announce that there was a battery health engine that they've that they've designed to improve longevity of the battery because of this crazy fast charging. They also showed off that they're testing 204 charging, so hundred 50 wat actually releasing, but they're also testing 240 wat, which goes from zero to 50% in three and a half minutes, a hundred percent in nine minutes. But no launch planned on that. That's still firmly in the prototype vein. So

Huyen Tue Dao (00:43:33):
I wonder what the actual, like physical limitations on fast charging would be. There has to be. Yeah, you gotta be, there's gotta be like, at some point everything's just gonna blow up. Like, I, I haven't forbid anyone's phones ever blow up, but like, there's gotta be a point where just like 360 400, 500. No, no, no, no, no, you gotta back it back it up, back it up. Well,

Jason Howell (00:43:50):
And also also to, to the extent that like, do we really need zero go to 100 in one minute when we can have it in three and a half minutes. Right.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:43:59):
Actual use cases. Yeah. You know

Ron Richards (00:44:00):
What I mean? Like, well, I mean, I, I would, I would argue that yes we do, because that's, it would be neat. It's neat. That's an additional, that's an additional two minutes I get back, Jason.

Jason Howell (00:44:10):
All right. Fine. It would be neat and cool, but I, but you're right. Like you know, the laws physics, you know, to start running up against those things, it's creating a lot of heat on this battery and hopefully, you know, they're, they're addressing that as well, but pretty neat that they can do it nonetheless.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:44:27):
Heck yes.

Ron Richards (00:44:28):
Crazy. I love it. Yeah. You know, I love wacky things like that anyway. All right. Well, speaking of wacky things we got a real me update for mobile world Congress. There you go. I know everyone's waiting for this. The real me GT two and GT two pro flagship series are going global featuring their bio based polymer design to cut down on carbon emissions. So there you go. So bio based, I don't know what that means. So they're running they're running the snap jargon eight gen one system on a chip on, on the pro device on the pro model and a snap drag, 8 88 on the regular model. 6.7 inch Q HD plus plus hundred 20 Hertz O L E D screen. It got a 5,000 Milant battery and 65 wat wire charging. It's not, not the same as 2065

Jason Howell (00:45:21):
Wat 40

Ron Richards (00:45:21):
Watts.

Jason Howell (00:45:23):
No,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:45:24):
My

Jason Howell (00:45:24):
Goodness. What does that take? 15 minutes to charge to full come on, whatever. Yeah.

Ron Richards (00:45:31):
It's got a triple camera array and you can get it for 649 euros. And this is actually real me offers three years major updates in four years of security for the first time which is really, really exciting. So three years of major updates, four years of security updates, that's pretty solid. So if you're looking in investing in a quite handsome looking biobased polymer phone at least you'll be covered for four years of security updates and our video Watchers see this for our audio Watchers. This bio based polymer is a nice, bright blue with a triple camera Ray on the back. It's it's a nice looking phone. It's got a little pinhole in the upper left hand corner on the front. Looks very pixel ish, to be honest with you or pixel pixel five pixel four ish.

Jason Howell (00:46:18):
Oh, right, right. Yeah. The camera kind of block actually. I mean, no surprise. Right? They're all in bed with each other, but it reminds me of the latest, the OnePlus device that the hassle blood kind of camera array yeah. Has, has a big time look of that. Yeah. This company's just sharing its designs across all of these different points. It's, it's pretty nice, but

Huyen Tue Dao (00:46:41):
Not it's OS, but,

Jason Howell (00:46:43):
But not it's OS yes. That was a bridge too far, apparently for,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:46:47):
But,

Jason Howell (00:46:49):
But how that

Huyen Tue Dao (00:46:50):
Biopolymer fuels, you know what I mean? Like, is it like pretty plastic? Is it like, I I'm, I'm just so curious because obviously like, I mean, a fast charging battery is not that environmentally friendly, but I love the idea of experimenting with different materials. Yeah. And just seeing like where we can push things. I mean, obviously we, we love glass, we love aluminum. Like even like, you know, great plastic phones can feel great. I'm just so curious what the, the biopolymer feels like.

Jason Howell (00:47:13):
Yeah, totally. Who's. I mean, who's to say that, you know, one of these unique, more unique design approaches doesn't, you know, just cuz it's not glass doesn't mean it can't feel or be, or be perceived as premium, you know, like maybe we end up with a new material that we haven't really used or tried before and it has its own kind of characteristic that people latch onto and then whoa, wouldn't it be great if that made the device even more, you know, even more whatever could survive a fall, you know, better as a result of it. So yeah. Yeah. I'm, I'm all for it. Try it out.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:47:49):
Well, speaking of unique designs so we, we, we talked about the honor which is formally a Huawei brand honors folded with device last month. And at MWC they unveiled two flagship phones, the magic four, sorry, the honor magic four and the honor magic four pro both, you know, pretty flag Shippy, you've got really nice 6.81 O lead screens. Very similar. The pro is just a little bit more dense both water resistant, magic, four pro a little bit more wa water resistant and same thing, triple camera, telephoto regular and ultra wide primary ultra wide and you know, 120 Hertz screens on both and yeah, just really great colors, both coming out with Android 12. And yeah, so, and, and, and a unique design, like, so as opposed to the kind of like rectangular ish camera bump on in the upper corner, it's got this really cool, like circular array.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:48:44):
That's kind of just in the upper, mid, like upper centered horizontally in the upper back, which I think is kind of cool. I think that's actually what stuck out to me most when looking at this is that, Hey, we're iterating yet again on our flagship design. Not everything has to look kind of similar. Let's try different things. Will this work, is this gonna be like, are people's fingers gonna get in the way? Cuz they're kind of used to having the, the cameras off to the side, who knows, but always good to see, you know, continued ITER on, you know, what, what, what a phone can look like, what, where, where can you put cameras and, and what are people gonna respond to? So,

Jason Howell (00:49:18):
Yeah, I always, I always like when, you know, cuz it doesn't happen very often in smart phones, but it has happened before where the camera array is like this circular shape on the back and it just, it just reminds me of old school camera, you know, it actually has a camera feel to it like an old school camera feel to it. So I like it. I think it also kind of has like an iPod like jog wheel feel to, yeah, I kinda wish I, it does put my finger on it and rotate it around, but that would just smudg the lenses. So don't do that. I like that.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:49:51):
I wonder, I dunno what the cases would be like. Cause you know, I think I'm kind of used to like, you know, the camera being out to the side and like, you know, obviously like gratuitous selfie taking or whatever, you know, I kind of know where to put my hands. It's kinda interesting that, you know, the, the camera takes up so much of the back, whether that will be kind like a Bo if you're like super photography, videography like centric with your phone or whether it's gonna be pain in the butt, it'd be really, really interest to see. But yeah, it's, it's really cool. I like it. I like it a lot.

Jason Howell (00:50:15):
Yeah I do too. I dig it. I like it. And pricing 8 99 euros starting. So you know, 1,099 euros for the pro. So again, yeah. Good, good amount of kind of like more premium priced devices coming outta mobile world Congress. And this is right there along with the rest, so cool stuff. All right. Let's let's take a break and thank the sponsor this episode, and then we have more mobile world Congress hardware and, and a little something else that isn't hardware coming up in a moment. But first this episode of All About Android is brought to you by coin Coinbase, you know, Coinbase, right? Much coin such bass. If you've been following the cryptocurrency craze now is the time to start getting involved. Coinbase makes it quick, makes it easy to start your own portfolio and learn to trade like a pro I've been using Coinbase for a long time to kind of follow the trends in, in crypto to actually to learn about crypto.

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Ron Richards (00:53:41):
I, I, Jason, I was gonna disagree with you there. I need a good bumper to get started.

Jason Howell (00:53:47):
All right. This is how you rev up

Ron Richards (00:53:49):
Interest. And let me tell you the, the, the only thing better than a new bumper is news from our friends at TCL coming outta mobile world Congress. Yeah, and I, I gotta give it up to TCL. They're coming. They're they're coming on strong in 2022. They announced five new variants of the TCL thirties series. Not, not one, not two, not three, not four but five new variants. All of these are extremely reasonably priced phones. The top of the heap is the TCL 30 5g. That's got the media tech density, 700 chip, 6.7 inch FHD plus Amy display, 50 primary camera, two megapixel depth, and macro cameras, all this for just 249 euros. It's crazy. Very recently priced. Yeah, but the thing that I'm most excited about, and it wouldn't be mobile world Congress. So that's some prototypes and especially some foldables TCLs foldable prototypes the ultra flex with a 360 degree rotating hinge and flexible display this baby. Not only does it bend inward, but it also bends outward. Whoa, you gotta, you gotta see it to believe really awesome.

Jason Howell (00:55:01):
Hold the smartphone,

Ron Richards (00:55:03):
Hold the smartphone. It is an eight inch, 200,480 by 1,860 PLP Amy display. And gadget said that it still needs work as the hinge felt at times like crunching serial under a membrane.

Jason Howell (00:55:17):
Oh yeah. She just a little bit of work then.

Ron Richards (00:55:19):
Exactly what you wanna hear when you're thinking about your foldable phone. No, no, but but yeah, this phone this phone is something conceptually you can see TCL is really, they're really trying to push the limits on what this stuff can do. And, and honestly, that's kind of neat if, I mean, in there for a video Watchers, you're seeing the stills from it where it folds both inward like a book and outward. Like if you were gonna prop it up as a a as a like media watching display or something like that. Really, really interesting. So T TCL all, oh, sorry, go after you, Jason.

Jason Howell (00:55:57):
Oh, no, I, I was just trying to under, I, I was trying to figure out like when, okay, so when you fold it in the, the display on the inside goes through the edges, when you it out, like, right. Doesn't the display like cinch up then? You know what I mean? I don't know if I'm doing a good job of, of describing it, but I don't know how the display reaches to the edges on, on, in both directions.

Ron Richards (00:56:19):
Yeah. Strange. It's

Jason Howell (00:56:21):
Like, it has to stretch out. I

Ron Richards (00:56:22):
Don't. Well, it, well, well, yeah, like it folds like a well, well, yeah, but basically, so it folds like a book or like a galaxy fold, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then it, it, it folds the opposite direction where the outside of it is still the display. So the hinge has display Jason. I think that's what you're you're

Jason Howell (00:56:40):
No, no, no. And so it's not the hinge, so act actually, this, this picture's a good, good way to point it out. So look along the longside edge on the left photo, sorry, on my listeners. And there's like that like area there where the display is the display not reaching to the end of the phone. Like it has to,

Ron Richards (00:56:59):
You know what I

Jason Howell (00:56:59):
Mean? It, how is it gonna reach the end and then all fold inward? I, I don't know. My head's having a hard time understanding it

Ron Richards (00:57:08):
It's strange,

Jason Howell (00:57:08):
But anyways, it's prototype. So you gotta give, give 'em props for the prototype, even if it does, you know, have the sound of, of serial crunching when you use the image. Oh.

Ron Richards (00:57:18):
And the, the inward and outward folding phone exists, but also keep in mind, TCL in their booth, they had their rollable right. Like where the, where the thing comes out, like TCL is really trying to, you know, push boundaries and I dig it, so, yeah.

Jason Howell (00:57:30):
Yeah. Oh. Did you say that there's video? I think so. I dunno what, oh, Burke doesn't know what to expect, but he thinks there's video.

Ron Richards (00:57:38):
Oh,

Jason Howell (00:57:38):
There's a gadget video. Yes, there is. But we don't know what to expect. There's friends of the show she low from agent. Yeah, you can always,

Ron Richards (00:57:50):
Yeah. There's the rollable we go the video right there. Yeah. There it is.

Jason Howell (00:57:53):
These days you can, you can count on TCL for their wacky. 

Ron Richards (00:57:57):
They go, I think they, yeah, there, there it is. There's the fold. There's the fold inward outward. Yeah. So

Jason Howell (00:58:03):
Interesting. Right. So everybody can gadget check out. She Lynn's coverage of this. She is a at mobile world Congress in Barcelona, hopefully eating Hamon at this very moment. Okay. So here it is folding. Oh, okay. Crunching

Huyen Tue Dao (00:58:18):
Crunch, crunch

Jason Howell (00:58:19):
Crunching. Yeah. It's like, I can see it crunching. Yeah. Interesting. 

Ron Richards (00:58:27):
It's so weird. I love it at

Jason Howell (00:58:28):
The bottom.

Ron Richards (00:58:29):
Yeah. Love it.

Jason Howell (00:58:30):
Interesting stuff. All right. When you, you have a device that's a lot less interesting actually by comparison.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:58:36):
Yeah. So, Hey, Hey, so it is interesting if you want flag ship us at a, at a much lower price. So put, which is a Shami owned brand is hoping to give you MUO for your money sorry with the and have saved you two devices, the X four pro 5g, and the M four pro at M WC, the X four pro 5g is actually, what is this? What do we got here? We got flagship level experience at about 299 or 349 Euro, which is for us American folks, 3 35 to 3 91, some more kind of mid rangey prices. But kind of like the usual things that you'd expect from a flagship device with 120 Hertz screen three cameras, six, you know, like the primary sensor, ultra wide micro and 16 megapixel selfie camera, and quite a sizeable battery, 5,000 milli amps 15 hours, which can support 15 hours of video playback or 25 hours of reading and support 67 wa five fast charging.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:59:38):
And along with that, also the M four pro, which is just a little bit smaller spec screen with a 90 Hertz refresh rate, a kind of similar, but slightly kind of smaller spec cameras and costing. Let's see 219 euros or 246 us dollars for the, for the lowest six gigabit, six gigabit, not gigabits gigabytes bits be not very much Ram at all. Six, I got gigabytes of Ram and 128 version for, let's see, wait a minute, I'm mixing this up. That's 128, my bad six gigabytes, God dang it. Six gigabytes of Ram. I'm a programmer. I should know the difference. One gigabytes of storage and then a large, more expensive version at 2 56 gigabytes of storage, gigabytes of Ram for 300, $2 or 2 69 Euro. So a couple different things, prices

Jason Howell (01:00:26):
Are low.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:00:27):
Yeah. And like, again, a slightly different design. This is kind of like taking the traditional flagship camera, bump orang on the corner and stretching it out. I don't actually see this, any sensors or anything on the right side that stretch out. It's more like a design thing that can, cameras are still kind of isolated to the less side, but kind of a little bit of a different look and definitely much more friendly pricing for a quote flagship you know, capability like flagship level capabilities. So more options.

Jason Howell (01:00:57):
Yeah. And people seem to love the poco, the, the poco devices. I have not had a, a chance to play around with them. Mateo definitely has. I feel like he's been on the show before with one or two of the poker devices, maybe even Miriam Joar has, has been on and talked about poco before. But yeah, I mean, I, I actually think the design on this is very unique. Like it's kind of doing what the pixel did with the kind of like side to side, the full side to side camera bump to at least have a little bit of that symmetry. So it has the, you know, resting on a table flat experience instead of wobbling, you know, I always, I appreciate that anyway. Just

Ron Richards (01:01:39):
I like the look of these a lot. Yeah. You know, I mean, like I like dynamic colors. I like the define camera region, you know, I think, you know, like these are, these are the kind, I mean, we, we've got, we've talked a lot about how phones often look the same and like, why did we like the pixel six? Because it didn't look like anything else in the market. If someone's holding this phone, it doesn't look like any other phone they have, you're gonna want to know what it is. If you see that yellow or blue phone with that black area, like, and all that sort of stuff. Like, I, I, I, I, I wanna see more designs that push the identity of the phone themselves and the way that they're doing it here. I like pop.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:02:12):
Yeah. Yeah. They definitely pop, I, I love all the dynamic colors, you know, and I, I mean, I always love the pixel colors, but they're always kind of subdued a little bit in a nice way subdued, but I love these, like, like you said, Ron, like super dynamic, like it definitely stands out and you certainly know what phone this is. This is the poco. Like there's no, it's the

Jason Howell (01:02:29):
Poco. Yes. It, it tells you right there, big bold letters, poco, which is really handy if your name is poco, by the way, but oh my God.

Jason Howell (01:02:41):
So, okay, well, we'll, we'll prepare to not see those in the us ever. That's basically how it goes with, with poco phones, but still nonetheless, very cool looking same goes for SHA me phones, which, you know, they, they make some amazing devices. I, I do wish that at some point we would have the opportunity to have some of their devices in the us, but kind of just year after year, it seems like that's not gonna happen. It's just not in the cards. And then finally, this is the part of the mobile world Congress that isn't really hardware E Qualcom has a presence at mobile world Congress. And they have announced that they're apparently working on the S three and S five sound platforms. And what does this mean is gonna enable a number of things, but at the top of that list is support like Bluetooth support for lossless audio.

Jason Howell (01:03:36):
So if you have a device that supports the S three and S five chip that ultimately would support snap, dragon sound, which I believe we've talked about on the show in the past when they announced it, I think last year Qualcomm says that you will have the ability potentially to stream lossless audio from that phone to a supported a supporting headset. Right? So if you're wearing your or phones that support this, you can get lossless audio 16 bit CD quality sound in totally lossless format. It will also support a lossy format that transmits high-res 24 bit 96 kilohertz audio. So if you like your high-res audio and like, I'm think it about the services. So there's title, there's apple music that I think offers the high res. Right. So I think they do. Yeah, those, those are probably the apps that, you know, initially would support this whenever it starts to hit devices. So, you know, so some people, not everyone out there care about lossless audio. There you

Ron Richards (01:04:41):
Go. I think so. I think apple music title D offers it as does Amazon music, Amazon music HD.

Jason Howell (01:04:49):
So more and more 

Ron Richards (01:04:49):
Yeah, that's good. And supposed, supposedly Spotify's offering it soon, but not, not as of yet, so,

Jason Howell (01:04:54):
Yeah, right. Yeah. There are other improvements as well. The sound system will drop latency 25, a percent faster to 68 milliseconds, which, I mean, 68 milliseconds is still a lot higher than like the three to five milliseconds you get if you were wired, but when you're gaming, that brings it closer. Or when you're watching a movie, like, have you ever plugged in your Bluetooth earbuds to watch a movie on your phone or watch something on your phone? And like, the sound that you hear is totally outta sync with a video you know, that's, that's this latency aspect. And so this improves that will also enable multi-point streaming or sharing of audio and not just to two people at once, like to potentially to a lot of people at once. So that's kind of interesting. You could have like a music listening party, everyone in Bluetooth and then improve no's cancellation and super wide band voice quality for better sounding calls. So interesting audio related announcements from Qualcomm at WC. I don't know when we're gonna start seeing devices that support this, but still that's pretty cool. Lossless audio. Do you trust a lossless audio quality coming over Bluetooth? I mean, I feel like at this point we're used to just assuming that Bluetooth audio always is less than ideal when compared to wired audio. What do you guys think?

Ron Richards (01:06:13):
I feel like you're gonna have some loss in that scenario, even with your lossless audio. I dunno. But, you know, like, but they they've gotta believe in if they're gonna tute it, right. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:06:26):
Yeah. I will say from the dev side, Bluetooth APIs are some of the most torturous to work with they're oh, bad. Yeah. I have a really good friend Eric Hellman he's the developer out of Sweden and he's, that's his like thing he's like Bluetooth, Bluetooth, Eric. And that's kind of just been his like thing is just to kind of help people understand how these work and make them work. But it's, it's a problem. Any kind of hardware, API is always a F word or terrible experience. And I mean, this is great, but part of me just like, man, I still don't wanna work with a Bluetooth API if I don't have to help it. And it, it's kind of like, it's a general thing. Hardware's hard. Yeah, kind of makes sense. Google in general has been trying to make like hardware APIs easier like Mo most I can think most recently camera APIs, which I used to kind of give talks on also absolutely horrendous, just because of all the D hard different type types of cameras, all the hardware manufacturers, it used to be ridiculously hard to do like fancy camera stuff.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:07:26):
And recently they kind of tried to like dumb it, not dumb it down. That's not kind of smooth the images over for devs and they release this thing called camera X. Right. And I think that we'll just kind of, yeah, yeah, exactly. And so hopefully one day we'll have Bluetooth X and then hopefully Eric can take a break from talking about Bluetooth.

Jason Howell (01:07:43):
But yeah, I mean, it's always, if Eric wants to come on the show and talk about Bluetooth, well,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:07:49):
I will, I will ask him he in Sweden though. It'll what time is it in Sweden right now?

Jason Howell (01:07:53):
That's good question. Time's late

Huyen Tue Dao (01:07:56):
Probably too late. Maybe, maybe he's in town for IO or something. Yeah. We'll have to get him on the show. He's great.

Jason Howell (01:08:02):
It's 3 34 right now. So I mean, as of a couple of weeks from now, it'll be 2 24 right now. You know, once we have our, our our, our daylight saving night out, but man, maybe he's night owl. I don't know. Yeah. Well anyway, well maybe if he ever comes IO, if he comes IO well, super interesting. I'll be curious to see how that develops. All right, coming up next. We've got your email that you sent into us. Thank you. That's next.

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Jason Howell (01:09:06):
I dunno what that was. AAA twi.tv, 3, 4 7 show AA. Ron. You've got the first one

Ron Richards (01:09:11):
I do. And our first email comes in from Blake, who did not tell us where he was writing in from. So Blake, I'm gonna guess you're writing in from Iowa. Blake Wrighton says I bought the second generation nest hub with the sleep sensing. And remember they said early on that this was at no charge for now as I was setting up my new galaxy S 22 ultra today, parentheses excellent so far and logged into the Google home app. I saw this article that says they will begin grading the sleep sensing with Fitbit premium in 2023, unless some major improvements are made. I wouldn't pay for this since I set up my hub, it rarely gets my sleep right. And frequently says I'm awake when I'm not even at when I'm not even after recalibrating it a few times. I'm curious if you think about integrating this as a Fitbit premium is the right thing to do. The combination of my galaxy washing phone have give me the information I've looked for and feel like Google charging for this is a bit of a stretch. Well guess what, Blake, you don't have to pay for it. You just made your decision. It's like consumer power there. Like you don't feel the, you don't feel the service warrant paying for it. Don't pay for it. There you go. I'm

Jason Howell (01:10:16):
Solved. I, but I will like, I, I would be really curious to know how many people would actually pay for it. Like who it, like, are people really gonna pay for this? Like anytime I ever saw it and then then heard that they were gonna charge for it. I was like, why? I will say,

Ron Richards (01:10:30):
Why

Jason Howell (01:10:30):
Would you charge for this feature? I don't get it.

Ron Richards (01:10:33):
I did have a sense of irony today is I realized that one of those apps that keep track of how many, any subscriptions you're paying and help you save money. Yeah. you pay a subscription fee.

Jason Howell (01:10:43):
So

Ron Richards (01:10:44):
I, I like, I have one of those, like, wait a minute, what's going on here. Right. So like, yeah. So we're in a world we're in a world where like, there's some people who won't even blink an eye at this and think that it's giving them some level of service. You know, I, I do think that Google, especially with Fitbit, like, I, I feel I, if Fitbit, if Google hadn't acquired Fitbit, I wonder if they, would've not made this charge. Right. Or if, as they're looking for ways to beef up Fitbit premium, this is something they can link in. And it's an add a piece of money value that goes with it. Right. That's what this smells

Jason Howell (01:11:19):
Like to me. That's what it is. Yeah. That was my misunderstanding. Right. I was getting that twisted. The fact that it's built into Fitbit premium as like another feature among others. I think I was still hung up on my initial understanding of this, which was that, you know, and, and it could have been totally wrong, which was that Google was just going to charge for this feature or whatever. And I was like, why would anyone pay for just this feature that doesn't make any sense built into Fitbit premium. It makes more sense. You know, what are the other features that you get through Fitbit premium? I don't know, but you know, maybe those other features are actually useful. And this one you just don't use kind of getting back to what you said, Ron, like if this particular feature isn't useful to you, maybe there are other things of HIPAA premium that are yeah. For 9 99 a month, which is what it looks like. It costs. Yeah. Yeah. And anyways, I'm not gonna be tracking my sleep. I don't care. I just go to sleep and I wake up the next morning.

Ron Richards (01:12:14):
I'm the, I'm the same way. I'm, I'm not hacking my sleep,

Jason Howell (01:12:17):
So,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:12:18):
Oh, no, I'm a, I'm a sleep tracker, but I have a totally different device that does it. So I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't use this anyway. What

Jason Howell (01:12:24):
Device do you have?

Huyen Tue Dao (01:12:26):
I have a whoop. And because I'm a little bit of a fitness nerd. It, it, I have a subscription for this, but it's all data sciencey and data process singing, but it tracks respiration, skint, yada Y but yeah, I'm a nerd. My husband and I talk about our recovery daily. We're very,

Jason Howell (01:12:42):
I was gonna say, what do you use all that data for? But it sounds like you actually use that data like that, that data goes into your workouts and your sleep

Huyen Tue Dao (01:12:49):
Thing. And also just for conversation. Yeah, exactly. Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Wants to hear that. I have slept by crap for the last week except for my husband. So that's, that's when I like, that's like my supporting evidence for when I need, like that third cup of coffee is like, had look at my recovery, look at this.

Jason Howell (01:13:04):
This is the reason for this cup of coffee. Okay. Yes.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:13:07):
Give me, give me coffee

Jason Howell (01:13:10):
Right on. All right. You got the next email.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:13:13):
Yeah. And unfortunately this is, is not a, this is a sad story from Miguel and I have a sad story. I have a sad and all too common story. Grandma got scammed into buying gift cards for some non-existent service. For what I can gather via my mom, grandma was on the phone with the scammer and being coached while buying them at the store. Ouch. Yeah, the good news is grandma only gave them one out of a cards before she ended the call and thought to ask someone about the whole underhanded process. The bad news is they're a hundred dollars gift cards. The worst news is they are freaking Google play gift cards.

Jason Howell (01:13:48):
So you've got, see, you've got in your possession $400 worth of Google play gift cards. Okay. I

Huyen Tue Dao (01:13:53):
Really sorry. Miguel said I'm stuck to, to figure out a way to redeem some value out of them. The store won't refund them. No one I know has any use for them. Netflix, won't take Google, Google play payment card, cash.com wants to give you $72 for a hundred dollars gift card. I don't trust trying to eBay them after reading about yet more scammers scamming the scans. What are my options here?

Jason Howell (01:14:17):
Woo. Yeah.

Ron Richards (01:14:18):
I mean,

Jason Howell (01:14:19):
Yeah.

Ron Richards (01:14:21):
I, I buy a lot of books. You can buy a lot of that's

Jason Howell (01:14:27):
Thing. You can't really do a whole lot with those gift cards. Like you can't even spend those gift cards on like hardware. Like if there was a hardware thing that you wanted to get, you can't do that. It's, it's really limited to apps, books, movies, music, newsstand, subscription.

Ron Richards (01:14:39):
The thing is in this particular case, getting $72 for your a hundred dollars is better than getting nothing. Yeah. Right. That's true.

Jason Howell (01:14:47):
That's true.

Ron Richards (01:14:47):
Yeah. I hate to

Jason Howell (01:14:48):
Say it. I was, I was I was searching around and stuff and there's also some Reddit, some Reddit subreddits. Sorry, I can't talk there's one called gift card exchange. Now I would definitely, I've never used it. I would definitely say, you know, use your judgment on this, but I think they have a pro they have processes built into these subreddits to make it fair, to kind of moderate how these tradings happen. But the idea being, you know, someone out there might need might, might have a gift card for a hundred dollars for Netflix and hate Netflix. And they want a hundred dollars gift card for Google play music or for Google play for the store. And so you end up finding that person and it could be an even trade and could end up with a hundred dollars gift card for Netflix or, you know, think creatively like that. I, I don't know what else you do.

Ron Richards (01:15:39):
I mean, I just did a quick search and looks like there's a site called game flip.

Jason Howell (01:15:42):
Yeah. There's there's sites like that

Huyen Tue Dao (01:15:45):
Range.

Ron Richards (01:15:45):
They let you, yeah. They let you let you sell your card and that sort of thing.

Jason Howell (01:15:49):
Yeah. Which is kind of similar to, I think, what, what Miguel I was talking about, you know, the $72 for a hundred dollars card, some of them will give you cash. Some of them facilitate a trade and maybe, maybe that's where you're gonna find your value. You know, you're probably not gonna get that money back necessarily, or at least not all of it, but maybe there's something else that your grandma needs that a, a gift card from another service could, could

Ron Richards (01:16:13):
Get 

Jason Howell (01:16:14):
You know,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:16:15):
Yeah. I know ILA in the chat asked about whether the credit card company can undo the transaction. I, I, I know Miguel didn't specify, but I think a lot of times when these scams happen, they're actually buying them with cash. I think that's like the scammers kind of induce you to get cash out and then trade the cash in for gift cards. So I think that, that part of it so that it can't be reversed, but I could be wrong about that. Yeah. Mean obviously, Miguel, if your, if your grandma used her credit card definitely called a credit card company, but if it's cash then yeah. I'm sorry, dude. This is yeah. Sucks. that really sucks. Yeah. It's so specific too. What were the scammers gonna do with Google play gift cards? I mean, I kinda had a

Jason Howell (01:16:52):
Thought, totally. I wondered this same thing. I was like, wait a minute. Why? Why do they want, yeah,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:16:57):
Like the, the only thing I think of is like, do they have an app where that grandma could buy it or do some script and like, are they like laundering the money to the Google place store? That's the only thing I can think of is like maybe, but that's just me speculating sitting here. Yeah.

Jason Howell (01:17:09):
That's interesting

Huyen Tue Dao (01:17:10):
Though. Thinking about horrible ideas. Yeah. Why a Google play gift card?

Jason Howell (01:17:13):
I don't know.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:17:16):
Anyway, I'm really sorry, Miguel. Yeah. I'm sorry. Sorry to your grandma.

Jason Howell (01:17:19):
Yes, indeed. Good luck, Miguel. I hope that at least gives you a few other options to explore.

Ron Richards (01:17:26):
I'm I'm looking in a oh no. That's salt legit. Okay. Well I forget.

Jason Howell (01:17:30):
Yeah, I, yeah, I should also mention, like, when I was doing searches, I, I came up with a lot of websites and like, you know, just we'll, we'll just double down and triple down and say like, we've never used these sites. We've never used these sites to trade gift cards. So I would really do your homework if you're gonna go in, in this direction. Right. you know, we don't know.

Ron Richards (01:17:50):
Yeah, yeah. This is like, yeah. Cuz it's like, I'm, I'm, I've found there's some apps that like convert cards into, to cash and stuff like that. But then like, you know, looking at like tons

Jason Howell (01:18:02):
OFS, star reviews. Yeah. I don't,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:18:03):
I don't

Jason Howell (01:18:05):
Subscription service. I've been waiting three weeks for my thing and hasn't happened. Yeah. And that would suck, right? Like you send away your card and to make it

Ron Richards (01:18:12):
Worse,

Jason Howell (01:18:13):
You're hoping you're crossing your fingers. That those $300 end up being turned into something usable and aren't just completely stolen. So just use your, yeah. Use your judgment. We, we haven't used these things, so we don't wanna say yes, this is definitely gonna work. Just look into your options and if you feel okay about it, you know, I don't know. That's I think that's all we can really say about that. Alright. And excuse me. I promise I didn't pick this person because they have my email or sorry, my last name for the email of the week. He jumped the gun there. Burke. He's so excited. He's like, I gotta, I gotta play the horns, but Darrell, how is the email of the week or has the email of the week? Thank you. And darl who is not related to me says I currently have both Android tablets and iPads in my family and can say without a doubt that there are definitely things I can do on both generally, generally basic consumption activities, but the iPad is far better.

Jason Howell (01:19:15):
And some things on some things than the Android tablet, keep in mind that I use the lowest skew of iPad just with the storage bumped up to 128 gigs. I use it for editing and rendering videos of church services, as well as managing websites. And most of my productivity, it has literally become my laptop replacement for most things. These are things that can be done on Android tablets. However, you need more expensive and higher end Android tablets. This is where the calculation falls apart to match the low end iPad in productivity. You have to spend more on an Android tablet than on the iPad. I've also found that the on the iPad just tend to run better and are more stable. My daughter used the ABC mouse app when she was younger on a lower end and Android tablet. And it barely ran throw that on the low end iPad of the same model year.

Jason Howell (01:20:05):
And it ran fine it's differences like this, that cause more people to see the iPad as a more viable option for what they wanna do. So comparing a Samsung galaxy tab, S a seven or S eight to an iPad pro isn't really the comparison they're being compared to the low end iPad because it's powerful enough to do the productivity that people want. And that's a really good point. In my opinion, this is why Android tablets are having trouble gaining traction. The manufacturers cut the processors and Ram in order to hit the price point in turn hamstringing the tablet. And then people have a bad experience, which hurts the brand. I like Android want them to succeed, but they have to be able to hit the price point of the low end iPad and still be just as functional for consumption and productivity if they ever want to succeed.

Jason Howell (01:20:49):
I thought that was a really great point, you know? Yeah, absolutely. The, the price points are very different for what you get out of them and you're right. I mean, apple has done a really great job with loading its own internally developed Silicon the same, the same one that you're gonna find silicone, you're gonna find in their, you know, higher end iPhones are gonna find in their lowest end iPad. And it's gonna do all those things. Great. Right. And then on the Android side, what you spend $1,100 for Samsung's top of the lines tab S eight, you know, to do all those same things and you're right. The math is completely different. So great point Darrell, thank you for sending that in and not to mention you know, you, you may then buy like a low end Android tablet because it costs less than that iPad. You still might then just have to replace it in a couple of years because it, it sucks way more now, you know, like you go, go ahead and get a Walmart tablet and on tablet for, you know, you're probably replacing that in a couple of years because you're gonna hit the, the life of that. And then you're gonna end up spending more than if you had just got the, the, the lower end iPad. So I dunno following that logic anyways. So thank you for writing in Darrell. You are the email of the week,

Jason Howell (01:22:09):
And now we're gonna get more emails about the iPad versus Android tablets thing. That just, this is the discussion that isn't going away. These days, we have these little themes that happen and it's like, everybody keeps emailing week after week. So the discussion lasts for like two months on the same topic, but

Ron Richards (01:22:25):
That's the year of the tablet I'm telling you, it's coming,

Jason Howell (01:22:28):
It's coming the year of the tablet. Is that the title?

Ron Richards (01:22:32):
I dunno if that's the title. I mean, I feel like mobile world Congress stuff is

Jason Howell (01:22:35):
Probably yeah, yeah, probably. So you're probably right. Right. Well, we hope you've enjoyed. We hope you've enjoyed mobile world Congress round Roundup and a little bit of tablet thrown in for good measure. Thanks so much for watching and listening when it's great to have you back what do you want people to know about what you're up to and, and all that stuff?

Huyen Tue Dao (01:22:54):
Yeah. So hi everyone. I am currently still an Android developer. I do talk occasionally. I actually gave a talk two weeks ago for a a Saigon based meetup group in Vietnam. I woke up at 6:00 AM to do it. And if you're ever curious about, you know, what Android development is and wanna kind of like to kind of jump into seeing what the community's talking about, what the latest in Android development is, don't just like, look at don't just watch me, but watch talks that people like myself put out on the internet for free and you can find those kind of things at my Twitter queen code monkey. Yeah. On Twitter, not, not com queen code Mon queen code monkey on Twitter and on Instagram. And you can find other stuff that I do@randomlytyping.com

Jason Howell (01:23:40):
RA on. Thank you. When always appreciate your insight, you being here. And what about you, Ron? What you got?

Ron Richards (01:23:47):
Yeah. Yeah. You can follow me over at oh my gosh. Blanking Ron on, on Twitter. And on Instagram, you can follow my personal accounts there and go check out score bit in the Google play store. If you're in the pinball, you can keep track of your scores, find places to play, compete against your friends, all the fun stuff. And we sell hardware over it score that IO. We got a cool device that goes inside the mobile machines to connect them to the internet. So it's very cool. So yeah,

Jason Howell (01:24:15):
Super cool. Ron's making the hardware happen,

Ron Richards (01:24:20):
Trying it's hard

Jason Howell (01:24:21):
Money where his mouth is in that. The, the statement that you mentioned, hardware hard hardware, hardware is hard. There you go. Ron's living it. Thank you, Ron. Also big, thanks to Burke here in the studio for occasionally speaking into the microphone for even more occasionally laugh, laughing at our jokes with the microphone turned off. So's true. You can't hear it. Great. Jason can hear it. Yeah. I, I can hear it. And I'm like, okay. It made be laugh. It's more like cackling. Yeah. That's what it is. It's like. So thank you Burke. Also, thank you to Victor. We don't hear you laughing Victor, but we know you are. Victor's behind the scenes, editing the show, publishing it, making it so that you can listen to it each and every week. And we appreciate you as well. Find me on Twitter at Jason Howell, doing other shows on the network tech news weekly with Micah Sergeant do that every Thursday, twi.tv/t N w.

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Jason Howell (01:26:28):
Oh, those buttons were fast. That was, those are fast. There we go. There we go. It keeps coming back to me for some reason and I dunno what's going on anymore. Ready?

Huyen Tue Dao (01:26:39):
Oh my gosh.

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