All About Android 635, Transcript

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Jason Howell (00:00:00):
Coming up next on all about Android. It's me, Jason Howell. We've got Huyen Tue Dao, we've got Ron Richards. We've got Florence Ion in Studio. Let me tell you, it's a pretty big episode. We've been talking about this for years, doing an episode about the Android Hall of Fame. And not all of these devices made into the Hall of Fame. I actually have a table filled with devices. We dive into it and we have some important news about all about Android coming up next.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:00:28):
Podcasts you love from people you trust.

Jason Howell (00:00:37):
This is all about Android. Episode 635, recorded Tuesday, June 20th, 2023 Hall of Fame. This episode of All about Android is brought to you by decisions. Don't let complexity block your company's growth decisions. Rules driven process automation software allows you to manage a complex digital landscape, build custom workflows, business rules, software, modernize legacy systems, and improve customer experiences in decisions. Unified no code platform. Visit to learn how automating anything can change everything. Hello and welcome to all about Android, your weekly source, the latest news, hardware and apps. I'll put 'em on one hand for the Android Faithful. I'm Jason Howell.

Ron Richards (00:01:26):
And I am Ron Richards.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:01:29):
And I am Huyen Tue Dao,

Florence Ion (00:01:32):
Hi, I'm Florence Ion. I'm not working. <Laugh>

Ron Richards (00:01:35):
Flow is a special guest.

Jason Howell (00:01:37):
Flo is our special

Ron Richards (00:01:38):
New name. Florence Zion. Flo is like, flow is like an observer that's on the, in front of the camera. Not

Jason Howell (00:01:44):

Ron Richards (00:01:45):
Yeah. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:01:45):
Flo was going to come and sit in the audience and observe. But instead Flo, we it's, it's like we talked her into it. It's like when you go to like a talk show and someone calls you up on stage. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. The woman with the, with the red hair. You come up here. That's basically what happened. She won,

Ron Richards (00:02:02):
She got picked her seat in. The audience got picked to come up and join us on stage.

Jason Howell (00:02:05):
<Laugh>. Yep. So now that you're here let's not talk about work. Let's talk about fun. Let's talk about Android.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:02:13):
I'm here as an Android fan.

Jason Howell (00:02:15):
There we go.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:02:15):
I'm here not as Florence the journalist, but as Florence the Android fan. And today I'm using the Galaxy Z fold four.

Jason Howell (00:02:25):
You know what? That's a phone that only Android journalists use.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:02:29):
You know what? You're right. I didn't pay 1 cent for this. Thank you Samsung for this loaner. I promise I will send it back when I'm done.

Ron Richards (00:02:36):

Jason Howell (00:02:36):
Kidding, just kidding. Plenty of people. Like the default

Ron Richards (00:02:40):
Flow is here out of reverence and respect. I am.

Jason Howell (00:02:43):
That is right. And we are happy to have you here. Correct. this is a very special episode, as you can see, spread out on the table is a whole host of Android technology. You

Ron Richards (00:02:55):
Could, you could even say it's almost like a history of the show on the table

Jason Howell (00:03:01):
In front of you. Yeah. In many ways it is. I mean, it's not a comprehensive history of the show. No. But it certainly touches a lot of bases of different devices that we've talked about over the years.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:03:11):
Can we talk about them yet? Yep.

Jason Howell (00:03:13):
What's that? Can we

Huyen Tue Dao (00:03:14):
Talk about them yet?

Jason Howell (00:03:15):
We will. We will. Okay. Slow, slow your roll. Slow. I'm just thinking about that. Yes. It's, it's done. It's I know it's, it was weird when I pulled, when I pulled that out, I was like, actually, there's like totally current news about that, but we're not gonna talk about that yet. We're going to share with you some information that's actually pretty important if you're a fan of this show. This is our last episode. We are, this is the final episode of all about Android. And it's, I'm, I'm going to admit that it's crazy that where it's happened. But wait a minute. Here's

Ron Richards (00:03:52):
Voice. Victor. Where's Victor with the, where's Victor? With the sad trombone effect.

Jason Howell (00:03:55):
Oh, <laugh>. Oh, I thought you would get mad at me

Ron Richards (00:03:57):
For that. <Laugh>. No, not at all. I would expect it. I would expect it.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:04:01):
Victor, today of all days. You could do whatever you want. It's, yeah,

Ron Richards (00:04:05):
Exactly. Go for it.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:04:06):
Honestly, I wanna see how quickly you can get to wrong. Yeah. Which taps me too sad. That's is a little too.

Ron Richards (00:04:14):
Oh, no. Oh, there we go. We go.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:04:16):
That's nice. There

Jason Howell (00:04:17):
We go. I like that. That works. That works. The kazoo, what's happening? Sure. That's that's applicable.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:04:23):
This is ent.

Jason Howell (00:04:25):
Oh boy. Save the

Ron Richards (00:04:26):
Task. The end. It's serious.

Jason Howell (00:04:28):
The task.

Ron Richards (00:04:29):
Okay. Because I really feel like we need to clarify cuz the chat room's losing their heads right now. Yeah. They're like, what

Jason Howell (00:04:34):
The heck is going on here? This

Ron Richards (00:04:37):
Is to quote a great, great man. This is the end. This is the end, my friends. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. This is the end. So

Jason Howell (00:04:43):
Yeah, it is. You know, there, there's some sad, sad ammo animated gifs happening in Discord. I will just fully admit, I'm sad because this Yeah. Has been a, this show has been a part of my life for 13 ish years. Yep. Mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. same with you Ron. You were here since day one, since the pre the, the beta episodes along with Eileen Rivera mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. And it's transformed and it's changed over the years. We had Gina Tani, of course we have you mm-hmm. <Affirmative> Florence Ion when you were here as a journalist, not as you are now just a fan. <Laugh> wind with Dow the most recent you know, co-host on the show. And it's been awesome having you on wind to, to bring the developer knowledge, but also just to, because you're an awesome person. Mean we became

Huyen Tue Dao (00:05:31):
Friends because of this show. We're all, well, that's I think all, yeah. We're all friends with everybody we've had on this show because of this show. The space that we have had to like, socialize over this shared love of an ecosystem.

Jason Howell (00:05:44):
Yeah, totally. I mean, I think at the core of what has made this show so enjoyable, and we will have a thing at the end. We won't spend the like 20 minutes talking about this right now cause we've got some really great plans coming up. But I think what's really made this such an enjoyable show to do, and then I hope to watch and listen to is the fact that we all share this passion around this thing called Android. And if you're listening, you care enough to listen to a show every single week that's about that thing. And we care enough about it that we wanna talk about it every week. So Yeah.

Ron Richards (00:06:19):
No, I, I mean, you know, I I, I, yeah, to echo you for 13 years, this is every, every, every Tuesday for 13 years, this has been, you know, a high point of the week and look forward to, and we're gonna get all emotional off the end and stuff like that. But it's all been because of the audience and everybody listening who's into Android and into this as a, as a, as a ecosystem and as a line of technology and products. And it's a blast. And so I'm glad that everybody has, has been along for this ride and, you know, so, and let's and we do the best show we can every week for you. And yeah, tonight's no, no exception.

Jason Howell (00:06:48):
That's always been our, been our goal. Yeah. So we do have a really great plan coming up after, after we take our first break, before we get to our first break though to get just a little bit of like, current news in before we go into this blast from the past hardware. Oh, there's news extravaganza when you just got a brand new device that I think everybody needs to hear about.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:07:11):
Let me just, yeah,

Jason Howell (00:07:13):
Yeah. We'll get into the hardware section.

Ron Richards (00:07:16):
There's that hardware bumper one last time from Mr. Jeff

Jason Howell (00:07:18):
Mickey <laugh>. So what'd you get when, what'd you got in your hands?

Huyen Tue Dao (00:07:23):
So my husband got his Pixel tablet today in, in the mail. So I've, we've had this for maybe four hours. Has anybody reviewed this by the way? I

Jason Howell (00:07:33):
Literally, I

Florence Ion (00:07:34):
Said I have not been working for like, the

Jason Howell (00:07:36):
Last seven weeks. Yes. Reviews, embargo I think happened was like yesterday or the day before it happened the last couple of

Ron Richards (00:07:41):
Days. I I saw a whole bunch get my feed. Okay. Yeah. Mine is in transit. It was being, it's being delivered tomorrow, so.

Jason Howell (00:07:50):
Ah, it's too bad you didn't get it in time.

Ron Richards (00:07:52):
Like typical all about Androids Fashion Day,

Jason Howell (00:07:53):
Laying dollar get short

Ron Richards (00:07:55):
On day the day of the show. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, I, I've seen some reviews, but when I'm dying to hear what your initial first look thoughts are, so,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:08:01):
Yeah. So so this is my husband's and I love that this is my first and last hardware ish review, review ish thing going on. But this is great. So we got this, we got this. It is a very sharp device. I think the first thing that I said to the crew when I got it is that wow, I am so happily nonplussed by the bezels. The form factor is really nice. It does have that really like, kind of nice, like, like it really nice kind of touch.

Jason Howell (00:08:25):
Yeah. It feels nice, right? Like it's kinda a comfortable feeling device. Yes. Some devices are cold and edgy and this one has a nice contour to it and the the texture is right. I thought.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:08:36):
Yeah, it's definitely an Android tablet. And yeah, the bezels are, are no big deal like this. This is no big deal. I actually took some pictures of it. This, the bezels on this are smaller than the Nest Hub Max. And kind of like the whole footprint of this thing is slightly smaller than Nest Hub Max. So if you are one of those folks, you have it. So we, we've had this for four, so I don't have too much to say about it other than

Jason Howell (00:08:57):
Alright, a full comprehensive review, top to bottom. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> nuts to bolts top to bottom. Tell us everything in detail, tips, tricks. I want it all.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:09:06):
It's a tablet. Like, so in, so, so, so in our, our experience, it's a pretty okay tablet. We are really huge on our Nest hub Max. And so I think the thing that's really standing out to us right now is that we're not, we're not too thrilled about the transition from our Nest hub Max to this, to be

Jason Howell (00:09:25):
Perfectly frank. Oh, okay. And that's four hours. You've, you've, you've gleaned that. So four hours

Huyen Tue Dao (00:09:30):
And my husband means

Jason Howell (00:09:31):
Setting it up an obvious yeah. Sticking point. So what is it that between the two that has you so immediately going, okay, this is not the same.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:09:40):
So we were really hoping for a, a hub that was more tablet rather than for, for rather than a tablet forward tablet forward device that had some features. A

Huyen Tue Dao (00:09:51):
Features tablet. Tablet with a hub tablet

Jason Howell (00:09:52):
That was a hub,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:09:52):
Right. The tablet was a hub. We wanted a hub that was a tablet, not a tablet was a hub. And because it's like strictly, I think it's really mostly an Android tablet, that all was fine. Getting the hub mode set up was, I mean, not, it wasn't hard, but it's not like how expected, like, even like getting into hub mode is kind of unclear to me. Like for right now, all I can tell about hub mode is that it's the screensaver, like you said, the

Huyen Tue Dao (00:10:17):
Screensaver. Okay. So I can help you with that.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:10:19):
Okay, cool.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:10:19):
Before, before I stopped working.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:10:22):
Okay. Before

Huyen Tue Dao (00:10:22):
You I, I learned some things, right. I, I was, okay. Google io in the hub mode goes when the tablet is directly connected to the hub. So when those magnets touch, that's when its, that's when it, that's

Jason Howell (00:10:36):
When ITSs gets into gear. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:10:40):
Yeah. That wasn't our experience. That is really Yeah. Made the only hubs when it's in screen. So I don't, so that's the thing. I don't know what hub mode is right now. Cause when we do, when I do attach it, I get the, the sparkly screen, you know, flash that, oh, hey, this is charging and it still stays on the tablet home screen, and then I wait for it to go into screensaver and then it feels more real

Huyen Tue Dao (00:11:02):
Life use right there.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:11:03):
Yes. and so, I mean, my, my husband, the first thing he said was like, Ooh, like, can I have a doc for every room? Because he really responded to that, the physicalness of like the snapping in. But after using, he's like, I didn't want a tablet. I wanted a hub. And yeah, the hub mode, I don't, I don't know what it is. Maybe there's something we set up incorrectly. I don't, maybe it's just us, but I'm only really seeing the hub mode as a screensaver. And there is a very distinct, you know, experience between hub mode and regular tablet mode. Right. For example you know, even setting a timer, like even setting a timer if it's not in hub mode, even if it's stocked. So, so just be aware, we have not used this like freestanding, we've had this stuck in the hub.

If like, just a little thing. Right? One of our favorite things to use the nest, the nest hub for is timers when we're cooking, right? If, if it's in, not in hub mode, it just uses a regular Android timer. It doesn't use like the full screen, which I know is like, not a big deal, but it's like a slightly different experience and it's kind of like more in the periphery rather than, hey, like my big hub is showing it in big, large letters. So I don't know why, but we're having trouble getting it in hub mode. It just seems to be a screensaver. And another thing is like with the hub, like both of us could be, have our accounts active on it. The hub mode is my husband's mode. And yeah, we're running into issues where, you know, if it's not in hub mode, it refuses to, I mean, even though it, he has it set up to, hey, in hub mode, have anybody be able to say, Hey, the key, you know, the magic phrase, it doesn't work for me if it's not in hub mode, which it tends to not be in hub mode.

So we're having troubles. Hmm. so it's a lovely device. It's got a smaller footprint. It's lovely. It's fun to hold. Yes. The, the physicality of the doc is lovely. Whatever reason we're having troubles and I mean, we're two Android doves. We're, you know, this is not our first rodeo, but

Jason Howell (00:12:52):
Yeah. Right.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:12:53):
We're a little disappointed. And again, this is because we were hoping for a hub that was, had some tablet features and not the other way around. So wa wa so far, I mean, also, I've almost, I've almost made this thing crashed two or three times because I'm a, I'm an aggressive on button pusher. And don't push too hard on the top of this thing cuz it will shoot off the dock. It will shoot off the dock I had seen.

Jason Howell (00:13:16):
Really? Oh, I'm like trying to figure out like what you mean. But when it's attached to the dock magnetically, when you

Huyen Tue Dao (00:13:21):
Push too hard, hard, I'm down. I'm pressing down too hard. It actually, I'm just launched down. It actually slid off. It actually slid off. So the,

Ron Richards (00:13:27):
The, the force of pressing that button is enough to break the magnetics. Yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:13:31):
You don't love the button. Did Yeah. I just did it again. So like, oh. Oh, that's not,

Jason Howell (00:13:33):
Yeah. Good.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:13:35):
Yeah. So

Jason Howell (00:13:35):
I did that. Are you really strong? Don't, and actually you are really strong. We know this about I did.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:13:40):
Yeah. Just, just here, just, just a little with one. I'm gonna drop this on the Yeah. I see counter. And then my husband's gonna have it. It just, it doesn't, yeah. It doesn't take a lot of force to kind of

Jason Howell (00:13:49):
Ah, oh gosh. <Laugh> it,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:13:55):
It didn't hit the floor. Oh my God. I'm baby. I'm sorry. Watch it. Grab it. I wanna see what happens. Should I just, is it okay? It didn't, luckily it didn't hit my drink. I have a gin and tonic on the table. Oh my God. It just slid.

Jason Howell (00:14:08):
Okay. Is it okay? I did it on

Huyen Tue Dao (00:14:09):
Purpose. Okay. I, it's okay. There's no dr It almost that would've hurt if I hit, hit the, my gin and tonic. So don't press too hard. Don't press too hard

Jason Howell (00:14:19):
On your Oh boy.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:14:20):
Magnets. I did not do that on work. I swear to God. Oh

Jason Howell (00:14:23):

Huyen Tue Dao (00:14:24):
So yes. So don't press two. Oh God. Now I'm sweating. God.

Jason Howell (00:14:27):
<Laugh>. Aw, the look on your face. I'm so sorry. That was great. Oh

Huyen Tue Dao (00:14:33):
My God. Oh, luckily I have a lot of space to left my desk. It, it missed my gin and tonic and just

Jason Howell (00:14:38):
Slid. Oh. So happy to that.

Ron Richards (00:14:40):
Let's definitely, Jason, you gotta mark that down. Definitely gets in the best of <laugh>.

Jason Howell (00:14:44):
What, what best of

Huyen Tue Dao (00:14:48):
Ww. So, so maybe we're having trouble with hub mode, but if you're the kind of person who just wants it to work like a Nest hub Max or whatever your previous, you know, countertop, you know, center would be, it's gonna be different. I'm really annoyed that it doesn't let us have both accounts active. But maybe you can follow me and I'll do updates when we figure this stuff out. And I, I can see like we're getting all kinds of suggestions <laugh> about what to do about the hub mode. But we're trying y'all, it's not, something's not working us. Can

Huyen Tue Dao (00:15:17):
We talk about this real quick? Cuz I have, because I feel like this is something can do whatever you want can all relate to. Yeah, I know. I've like when I've also been looking for a new hub situation mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, because guess what y'all, they stopped updating the Lenovo Smart displays. Oh. And I had that really nice 10 inch one that you could see from across the room. I had that in a common area of my house. That's what we used to set timers, you know, Mona? Mm-Hmm. We have to set a timer. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, then you have to stop watching Spidey that only

Jason Howell (00:15:48):
Launched in 2019, right? Or 2018.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:15:50):
2018. 2018. Right. It only launched in five years, but 18

Jason Howell (00:15:54):

Huyen Tue Dao (00:15:55):
Right. So they stopped updating it, it just stopped working. It just stopped. Great. The sound just didn't work anymore. Like, I couldn't hear the assistant respond back to me even though it would still take commands. So I decided to just retire it because who's gonna fix it? What are you gonna do? What

Ron Richards (00:16:13):
Am I gonna Totally, what can you, am I gonna fix? Yeah. I mean, yeah. Take it. And you don't have the time to like hack it anymore. No, I don't

Huyen Tue Dao (00:16:18):
Have time. I don't have time to do that.

Ron Richards (00:16:20):
I mean, you're not working, so, but

Huyen Tue Dao (00:16:22):
No, yes, it's true. Only Tamagotchi. They're the only things that I'm keeping alive, but

Ron Richards (00:16:27):
No, but what I'm most excited, what I'm most excited about, cause as you all know, I've been at war with my, you know, my Google Home hub, nest hub, whatever I have in the kitchen. And I'm excited to get the Pixel tablet and the hub mode to see if the, I have the same results in hub mode as I have with the awful assistant. Not understanding. I mean, it's, it's gotten to the point now where I cannot play music on the thing via voice command. I have to Chromecast from the YouTube app to play music on the,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:16:53):
You've gotta figure it out in your music

Ron Richards (00:16:54):
App. Yeah. It's so, the, the, it has been so off with the things that I've asked it to play. It's just unbelievable and just whatever I'm, you know, good thing we're stopping the show because man, I'm at my wits end with u with YouTube music. So <laugh>.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:17:07):
Well, I think it's all incredibly valid cuz I have been thinking, you know, I've had a lot of time to think mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. So because, because Ron, I'm not gonna watch Seasons nine and 10 of 9 0 2 1. Oh, <laugh>.

Ron Richards (00:17:20):
Come on. Mac Darn. Come

Huyen Tue Dao (00:17:21):
On. Really hard to get through the Gina episodes anyway. Yeah, I've been thinking a lot just about how this, the Google smart home. Like, I've actually been taking stuff offline while I've been at off work. I'm just like, interesting. I don't need this. Hmm. I's take this offline. I don't need this. Hmm. Yeah. I don't need to talk to this.

Jason Howell (00:17:39):
Yeah, yeah. I know. I'm talking less to my Google home. Using it less and less. What, what is the indicator for me is that we have one in our kitchen and have for a very long time. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> probably gets the most, has gotten the most use. But lately, I, I go to, to, when I do go to use it, I realize it's been unplugged and it's still unplugged. <Laugh>, there's other things plugged in there instead. So like, all right, there is something

Huyen Tue Dao (00:18:05):
Else plugged in

Jason Howell (00:18:06):
And you're like, something else is plug plugged in, in its place. It's not getting much used these

Huyen Tue Dao (00:18:10):
Days. Have to stay plugged in. The thing that's plugged in. Yeah. I'm not gonna unplug it. Yeah. So what does that say about these devices? In our houses though? It's a very different, it's a very different world Yeah. Than the one we were promised a

Jason Howell (00:18:21):
Whole new world. Well, oh man, I was, I was gonna say when I, I'm looking forward to a more expansive review of the Pixel tablet, but if people wanna know how you feel about your pixel tablet, where should they go? <Laugh>?

Huyen Tue Dao (00:18:38):
Yeah. Just, just, just

Huyen Tue Dao (00:18:39):
Go to my website really or follow me on at Queen Codem Monkey for now on Instagram. I'll figure something out. <Laugh>. I might actually post a video review. But yeah, pay attention to that. I need to find a good YouTube channel cuz someone has randomly typing typing. But I don't know, just check. Follow, follow my when need

Huyen Tue Dao (00:18:56):
To. You need come to TikTok and be there with me. I should. This TikTok has no game plan. You just get on there. Just the only thing you can't do is the millennial pause.

Jason Howell (00:19:06):
What's that? <Laugh>.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:19:07):
The millennial paw is the first like few seconds of the video as it's starting, you're like waiting to make sure that the video has started recording uhhuh. So like, sometimes when you get into a millennial TikTok, you'll notice that they wait for a second before they start talking Uhhuh. You can't do that. Gen Z immediately jumps into it and they do it really fast. So you have to gen's

Jason Howell (00:19:25):

Huyen Tue Dao (00:19:26):
You have to meet them where their attention span is. Okay. So you can't be like, that's that's me guys. You have to be like, today I'm doing my makeup with three fingers.

Jason Howell (00:19:35):
That that's the only thing you need to do. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. You do that and you're guaranteed success on TikTok. Love it. That's it. Okay.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:19:42):

Huyen Tue Dao (00:19:42):
Of cake. Well, that, and you gotta make sure not to use like, certain bad words. Cause TikTok is like, really?

Jason Howell (00:19:48):
Mm. Okay. Well, so then maybe we'll find some tick some TikTok pixel tablet stuff coming up from when maybe it'll be a CoLab between when and not

Huyen Tue Dao (00:20:00):
Working till when we could battle on <laugh>. We should. We could,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:20:04):
We should

Huyen Tue Dao (00:20:05):
Do what? Just beg people for money. <Laugh>. Come on everybody. Oh boy. Just, that's what battle thing is. This is,

Jason Howell (00:20:11):
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Ron Richards (00:24:36):
Yes. And then what I think we do is I think we, we set a date like later this year for like the induct. Like we should, we should make a program out of this. Have like, this is gonna be the hall of fame day when we're induc. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like, we should really build something out of it. I think so.

Jason Howell (00:24:53):
Android deserves a hall of fame.

Ron Richards (00:24:56):
Dang it. It does <laugh>

Jason Howell (00:24:58):
It deserves pop circumstance. Oh yeah. Was

Ron Richards (00:25:02):
That Jason? It is. Finally. That was pandemic my dream

Jason Howell (00:25:06):
With my pandemic facial hair. That was the year of my life. Okay. The only year I ever grew out the hair on my face. And probably the only year I ever will. Anyway,

Ron Richards (00:25:16):
My dream is becoming a reality. Jason. It just took, ending the show <laugh>.

Jason Howell (00:25:20):
All it took was the last episode for us to finally get our act together and put together something resembling a all about Android hardware. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> and Apps Hall of Fame. I figured we'd leave news out of it, like news Hall of Fame that, that sounded like more like snore, snooze, whatever. But so,

Ron Richards (00:25:41):
So when, when we talk about the Hall of Fame, this is the criteria. Not to revisit the clip that you just said, but this is like, my vision for the Android Hall of Fame has always been hardware that meets at least one of these criteria, which was either a game changer in the way we thought about hardware, right? Like introduce the new approach or new concept or new like kind of aspect to it that, you know, kind of impacted or something that became so ubiquitous through either sales and user adoption that it became synonymous with the Android experience. I mean, do, do we agree those are two good kind of criteria for it?

Jason Howell (00:26:17):
Yeah. Yeah. Like I put it in here as like a, a a marker or a momentum changer could qualify something that's really memorable from a functionality and industrial design, a usability standpoint, but not just like, oh yeah, that was a nice phone. Something that really,

Ron Richards (00:26:33):
No, it really, it really

Jason Howell (00:26:34):
Had, it's a impact part of the conversation. Like, ah, man,

Ron Richards (00:26:37):
This always comes up a lot. And once you and the list, the list that Jason primarily put together, and we, we all kind of, you know, we on this a little bit, there's some in here that I suggested as well. I think as we go through these, it's gonna be, Ooh, I popped outta focus as we go through these it'll be kind of clear as to what that, you know, that criteria is for that phone. Like, it's be my, it's the same approach I have with baseball, like baseball Hall of Fame. It should be a no-brainer. Right? Like, you're like, bro, that guy Yeah. He's a hall of famer.

Jason Howell (00:27:05):
When you hear it, you're like, oh yeah, okay. I understand why that's, it's like

Ron Richards (00:27:08):
Pornography when you see it, you know it. So

Jason Howell (00:27:10):
<Laugh> happy you went there.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:27:14):
That's not what people are saying about that show in hbo, but that's

Jason Howell (00:27:19):
Oh, the one with the weekend. Is that what you're talking about?

So I, I I should say that the list that I have here, when I was, when I was, when we were working on this and I was assembling it, I was doing so under the assumption that not all of these would automatically be hall of fame worthy, but that they were worth considering and that we together Okay. Could anoint and, and it doesn't have to be isolated to this list. Maybe at the end if I miss something, you know, definitely let us know and, and we can, we can figure out. But I think we gotta start with the T-Mobile G one. Right? I, I actually put these in order of, of when they came out, if that keeps things a little easier. But the T-Mobile G one, you know, when we're talking about like a game changer, a momentum changer, a marker of Android, this was, I mean time, time Magazine considered this the gadget of the year in 2008. Wow. You know, best invention of Wow. One of the best inventions of 2008. Wow. It was a, it was a big deal.

Ron Richards (00:28:15):
I, I mean we cer we certainly wouldn't be here without this phone. I wouldn't. Absolutely. I remember the, the, the day I, I had drinks with someone across the street from the T-Mobile store in San Francisco on Market Street. I was at a bar across the street and I had drinks with somebody who, who worked in tech and pulled, he had gotten it and showed it to me and I literally put my drink down and walked across the street and bought it at T-Mobile.

Jason Howell (00:28:36):

Ron Richards (00:28:37):
From, from that then, like

Jason Howell (00:28:39):

Ron Richards (00:28:39):
I'll, I will never forget it, but

Jason Howell (00:28:42):
Yeah, I do, I do have it here. Do we have the overhead shot? Is is it I don't know if it's Oh, it's, it's all the way. Oh, way over there. It's so small

Ron Richards (00:28:54):
Jerry hand. Isn't it?

Jason Howell (00:28:55):
Isn't it Tiny phones are a lot bigger nowadays.

Ron Richards (00:28:58):
<Laugh>. Yeah, they sure are.

Jason Howell (00:29:00):

Huyen Tue Dao (00:29:00):
Phone. So this phone was becoming kind of like the replacement for the sidekick Yep. At the time that it was released. I remember right. Some people they wanted it

Jason Howell (00:29:10):
Because Side was a big deal around this time.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:29:11):
Yeah. It was the only other phone that had AOL incident Messenger. I don't think the iPhone had AOL yet. They did not. They didn't have apps. I remember this and this one did. Oh, that's

Jason Howell (00:29:20):
So funny. AOL people were

Huyen Tue Dao (00:29:21):
Upgrading to this one because it gave you aim AOL instant Messenger.

Ron Richards (00:29:26):
No, it's so funny. Is that like literally this past weekend I watched the Blackberry movie.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:29:30):
Yeah. I saw your review. So good.

Ron Richards (00:29:32):
Yeah. And it's very funny cuz a big part of it is, is that obviously you see the ascent of Blackberry and then the, the big moment is the, when the iPhone is released and the product, the invented the black <laugh>. Yeah. No, yeah. Pretty much there other stuff happens. It's worth watching it. Yeah. But the, the product guy who invented the Blackberry is flipping out saying that the iPhone isn't gonna do well because people love the keyboard. They love the click. Yeah. They loved the physicalness of the keyboard. And it was funny because, and they did because then Android really bridged and I thought, as I was thinking about it, I was reflecting on our life in Android, the G one and the early Android phones really bridged the gap, you know, whereas, you know, the, the world was somewhat, you know, kind of candy bar phones and blackberries and trios and things like that.

Right. Like with the physical keyboards and then the iPhone comes along and was just a huge, you know, kind of, you know, neck snapping, whiplash kind of like drop the physical keyboard. Everything's on the screen, which people struggled with. Yeah. Like I remember when the iPhone came out, people were having a hard time with the keyboard Yeah. Optics and stuff like that. And the, with the G one and with Android and those early Android phones, they, they brought people over more gently to the vision of the iPhone. Right. Of the, of the keyboard list phone. Because you had several years of phones of physical keyboards.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:30:47):
Oh, that, that is so funny you mentioned that. Cause we actually did see Blackberry ourselves and I was probably one of the only people. So, so not to spoil too much cuz it's history, but the movie kind of ends as maybe research emotions, dominance ended with the Blackberry storm and I actually had a

Jason Howell (00:31:02):
Black Oh, the storm. Oh storm. The storm even got in there. Yeah. That's impressive. Yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:31:05):
Oh yeah. But that's, but that's kind of wrong. What you're talking about is what I wanted is that okay. I kind of knew that, you know, there's a sense that something new was coming, but there was kind of like, can I have a middle ground? You know what I mean? I didn't want an iPhone for a lot of reasons. And my husband did have that. He was on the G one. He's been a Android, you know enthusiast, one of the Android faithful since like beta. Thank you. And so I was kind of like the person that was trying to be, you know, was kind of having a hard time bridging that gap or just coming across the bridge rather. And so my <laugh> my compromise was to get the Blackberry storm because it had that kind of tactile weird screen obviously didn't quite work out. I never returned it. But I, it was really funny because I think if anything that wedded my appetite for we for the next one. Does that make sense? Ooh. Is it okay to segue? Good segue. Cuz then, then that made me fi figure, okay, let me get the Motorola droid. And that was my first Android phone on Verizon. And I was, and on Verizon because Verizon. But yeah, then I was sold. Yeah. Verizon took a while to get the first Android phone. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:32:11):
Yep. Verizon did not have the iPhone at the time and it really wanted it and it didn't have it. And what it had was the Motorola droid. And so they put all of their marketing muscle and mite behind the Motorola droid. And so I Okay, but before we get to the Motorola trades, before we do, yes. We need to vote. Yeah. What, what is the vote? Do we, do we agree? Hall of fame worthy? Of course

Huyen Tue Dao (00:32:33):
It started everything. A peak? It's in,

Ron Richards (00:32:35):
It's in, yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:32:35):

Jason Howell (00:32:36):
Yeah. I think it has to be there. Alright, so then, then we've got the Motorola droid. Where is that? Oh, okay. So by the way, this is my Motorola droid. And I will say it was your personal one that you were Oh yeah, yeah. This is, I remember

Ron Richards (00:32:49):
That. I remember that phone, Jason. I remember it.

Jason Howell (00:32:51):
Yep. This right here was my first Android device ever. Well, loved. Yeah. <laugh> wonderful. It looks like it's all beat

Ron Richards (00:32:58):
Out the track pad. Crap. I forgot about the track

Jason Howell (00:33:00):
Pad. I can't even unlock it. I can't unlock it. <Laugh> for whatever reason, will not work. It's probably running some sort of, you know, a rom of some sort that's preventing me from doing

Ron Richards (00:33:10):
That. You love those ROMs, Jason?

Jason Howell (00:33:12):
I did with this device in particular. Now

Ron Richards (00:33:15):
Oh, we should add that, we should add that. Sorry.

Jason Howell (00:33:17):
The, the battery on this thing is absolutely atrocious. I, I had it plugged in all afternoon and it got up to 60% and then I unplugged it in like 10, like 10, 15 minutes later it said 20%. So it's destroyed. But anyways, it didn't explode. The battery hasn't exploded yet. That's true. But what could you do with the battery on this thing? Could replace it. You could take it out. You could pop it out, have a backup battery in your bag, which I have not eBay? Yes. Oh, okay. Right now. Yeah. Really I'm, I'm fine to just kind of be with this thing the way it is. It's, it's cool. But I mean, fugly phone, and this is not a, a pretty device by any stretch, but Verizon made it happen.

Ron Richards (00:34:00):
The, the best thing Verizon did was licensing Star Wars and making an R two D two version because that, you know, they leveraged the droid, which I'm shocked that they, especially after having, having worked with Lucas Film and Disney and all this sort of stuff, I'm shocked that deal happened. And that, that was like the best thing I think it ever did for their marketing was, was connected to the concept of a droid and, and, and R two. And that classic white one with the R two on the back, like the R two design on the back I, I knew so many people ran out and got that just purely for that. So Yeah,

Jason Howell (00:34:38):
The reason that I nominate the motor droid is simply because when it comes to, at least here in the us when it comes to No, like the public knowledge that there was an alternative to iPhone Yep. That was worthy of considering, like G one was first on the market. Right. But, but the Motorola enjoyed was the one that people that didn't want the iPhone or that didn't have an iPhone yet, but wanted a smartphone that did iPhoney things. But I pushing, but Dr was the one where they would go, oh, well actually I'll push,

Ron Richards (00:35:11):
I'll push back that on Jason because the, because the iPhone was out on at and t singular, if you remember, which I forgot singular was a thing until the Blackberry movie. Then they mentioned it, and that's right. T and I had to, I switched from Verizon to T-Mobile to get the G one, but T-Mobile was very small compared to what it is now at this time, right? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. And Verizon was really the more dominant carriers. It was Verizon and at t mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. And like we said, by having Verizon adopt the Droid and it being the alternative to the iPhone, like that's really what gave, like, if the G one was on Verizon, it would be way more ubiquitous,

Jason Howell (00:35:45):
But it was Oh, 100%

Ron Richards (00:35:46):
A droid that did it. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:35:47):
Yeah. No, I, I don't doubt that at all. Like the droid in and of itself is, I mean, it, I guess it was cutting edge at the time,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:35:56):
But it, it was not the only Android phone on Verizon at the time.

Jason Howell (00:35:59):
Well, that's true. What else was

Huyen Tue Dao (00:36:00):
There? It was also the htc Incredible.

Jason Howell (00:36:02):
Right? Well and that was your first right? That

Huyen Tue Dao (00:36:04):
Was my first, yeah.

Jason Howell (00:36:05):
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Because

Huyen Tue Dao (00:36:06):
This one was very uncomfortable with the Keys. Yeah. For my nails.

Jason Howell (00:36:11):
It's got, yeah. I mean it's got, it's got comfort issues. <Laugh>. Yeah. It kind of hurts when you use it. <Laugh>. The edges are a little hard. Well,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:36:20):
And it was supposed to harken back to the texting phones that were very popular at that time that had full Cordy keyboards.

Jason Howell (00:36:26):

Ron Richards (00:36:27):
You loved Flo. You loved the Sidekick. If I remember

Jason Howell (00:36:29):

Huyen Tue Dao (00:36:29):
I did not have the sidekick. No. Cause I wasn't on T-Mobile. I was on Verizon. Yeah. Were

Ron Richards (00:36:33):
You had, didn't you have one? Didn't you have one with a keyboard? I feel like we've talked about this

Huyen Tue Dao (00:36:36):
Now. I had an lg like NV two or three or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Before it was. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:36:42):
Yeah. Yeah. I, I don't doubt at all what you said, Ron, if it had been a different phone that Verizon had put its muscle and its marketing behind that one might have been the big phone to do it. Yeah. But they did this one and whether it deserved it or not, it got a lot of attention for Android. It, I think it did. Yeah. It went, it went far in, in kind of awakening a lot of American potential users to Android. And it also kind of solidified the Android is different than what you get on an iPhone. An iPhone is certain things, but over here it does all these weird, like geeky, you know, kind of edgy. It had like an edge to it that that appealed to some people. So that's why I vote for the, the Motorola

Huyen Tue Dao (00:37:25):
Droid. That feels like a really good segue into the next one, which was really the one that became what people chose over the iPhone.

Jason Howell (00:37:33):
Yeah. Yeah. Before we get there, we can't,

Ron Richards (00:37:35):
Before we move on though, we gotta vote.

Jason Howell (00:37:36):
So Yes. So vote on the droid hall of Fame. Yes. Yay or nay. Yes.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:37:41):
Yes. Obvious. Oh, yay.

Ron Richards (00:37:42):
All right. I'll go along. I'll go along with that. I'm hesitant, but I'll go along

Jason Howell (00:37:46):
With it. <Laugh> Victor was raising his hand too. Yeah. That was my Victor first. I was gonna say you probably had one. Yeah. <laugh>. Yeah. That's the thing. And I know that we talked about this in the past when we were talking about hall of Fame devices. It's hard because you, you, it becomes like an affinity that's based on our own like experience with them. Personal. Yeah. It becomes personal. It's like you never had the Motorola droid, so it didn't mean as much to you.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:38:12):
Right. Meant nothing to me

Jason Howell (00:38:14):
Meant nothing to you. <Laugh>. See, <laugh>.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:38:17):
You know what's really funny from a, just before I move on before from a developer perspective is that, you know, I think one of the things that I think we like kind of very early on as Android dev h hung our hat on is that Android is meant to be for all kinds of form factors. So you had all these different phones and from a technical perspective, that's a lot harder to, for. Yeah. And what's kind of hitting me is that, you know, when when I started developing and then eventually ended up being kinda more senior and being able to mentor like younger Andrew devs, I would always be like, look y'all, you have to test your phones in landscape mode. Which these days is actually not, we barely tested in landscape mode any anymore, but it's because our very first couple of phones were those slide out keyboard phones where people are using them in landscape all the time. And it's so funny because that became for years is just like how you do Android well is that you have to test in all the different, you know mm-hmm. All the different like configurations and configuration changes. And it's so funny because it's so different now, but it's, it, it is really funny how the form informed the practice in those early days. Mm-Hmm. and I kind of missed those days where we were a lot more careful. But, eh, ROI as I always say, and we'll continue to say until the end of this

Jason Howell (00:39:22):
Episode, <laugh>

Huyen Tue Dao (00:39:25):

Jason Howell (00:39:25):
Roi return on investment

Huyen Tue Dao (00:39:28):
And return on investment on dev time. It's there we go. It will be even after today.

Jason Howell (00:39:32):

Huyen Tue Dao (00:39:33):
Understand. Imagine me saying it in your sleep. ROI is important.

Jason Howell (00:39:36):
Roi ROI on the Galaxy S two was pretty big. Right? So Galaxy S one notably not in here. My initial thought was Galaxy S three. Cuz I saw that as like the,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:39:50):
The Galaxy want

Jason Howell (00:39:51):
What's that? Was the

Huyen Tue Dao (00:39:52):
S one, was it just the one?

Jason Howell (00:39:53):
Probably, I don't even remember. That's that's, that's thing it Gala, it's not notable.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:39:57):
The Galaxy S Thank you.

Jason Howell (00:39:59):
The Galaxy. Yes. That's what it was. That's what it was. Oh, that

Huyen Tue Dao (00:40:01):
Was a not a

Jason Howell (00:40:02):
Very good, not a very good phone. No, no. I remember the S three being a big deal. Yes. But we had God Ryan Hager on one of our episodes where we had an email about Hall of Fame. And do you remember Ron? He, cuz you were the only other, other one on that episode where he, where we mentioned the S three or there was an emailer that mentioned the S three and he was like, I would argue it's the S two because the S two was the one that got the carriers Yes. Really onboard and really kind of solidified Samsung's focus mm-hmm. <Affirmative> its direction with its with its phones. And you know, Luer had him over the years, Samsung has been a force for Android and has been a big reason why Android is in so many people's pockets. Can I tell you in the US Can I tell you something? I think we,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:40:49):
Sorry. Oh, go

Ron Richards (00:40:51):
Ahead. I was just say I think we need, I I think we need to hear from the former president of the Samsung Fan Club.

Jason Howell (00:40:56):

Huyen Tue Dao (00:40:57):
I don't know. I I don't know if it's former anymore.

Jason Howell (00:41:00):
Oh wow. Did you just fire up the fan club again?

Huyen Tue Dao (00:41:04):
You know, let me tell you, let me tell you the

Jason Howell (00:41:06):
Proverbial fan club.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:41:08):
No, it's, I let me tell you, I have not been super happy with my Pixel seven.

Jason Howell (00:41:16):
You have not

Huyen Tue Dao (00:41:16):
Been, I have not been super happy with it. Okay. Okay. Even photography wise, I'm gonna tell you like Galaxy S 23 Ultra mm-hmm. They really made it a lot better than the S 22. Mm-Hmm. Interesting. And like I already said that during my review process, but like just today I went out of my way to take a walk so, you know, I haven't been working. So I've been sneaking behind people's houses to see where I can find the best view in town. So

Jason Howell (00:41:41):
The best view of what?

Huyen Tue Dao (00:41:42):
Of the Bay? Oh the Bay From where we live. The best view of the Bay <laugh>. Any, any view? I'm, I'm checking everybody's view in

Jason Howell (00:41:48):
Town. Got it. Okay. Okay.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:41:50):
So I've been going behind houses like cuz you could go where the goats go and like do their thing uhhuh. Anyway, today I specifically took the S 23 Ultra with me just so that I could take a picture of the Caras Bridge from this very lovely backyard

Jason Howell (00:42:09):
Vantage point, right?

Huyen Tue Dao (00:42:10):
Yes. Yes. And it was better, but I was only able to do, I was thinking to myself like, of course I can do it with this one cuz this has all that zoom, but also the camera's a lot better. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, you know, and the battery.

Jason Howell (00:42:22):
So you are one over, once again it sounds like on Samsung as the,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:42:27):
Well, and also, sorry, I just wanna also add from the foldable perspective, they've actually been like now as a current Android player Yeah. They're actually following all the rules and trying to like, make things happen. They're doing a lot

Jason Howell (00:42:40):
For this form factor. They're, they're doing a lot right now that I think in the early days there were, there were certain aspects of Samsung that either you loved or you absolutely

Huyen Tue Dao (00:42:49):
Hated. But here's the other thing. Okay, hold on. There's my, but here's like, my real point is what I really should have gotten to, which is that when anybody talks about Android versus iOS, it's never Pixel versus iPhone. It's Samsung versus

Jason Howell (00:43:00):
Iphone. It's iPhone. Yeah, absolutely. Because

Huyen Tue Dao (00:43:02):
People are fans of Samsung, they're not fans of Android like we are, we're an anomaly. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>

Jason Howell (00:43:09):
Understand. No question. Do you think the S two is the reason why? Yes.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:43:14):
I believe that it started a trajectory. I remember back then there were people like, I don't need the iPhone. I have the S two. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> and some people held onto that for a long time until eventually just died.

Jason Howell (00:43:26):
But it had touch weight For

Ron Richards (00:43:28):
For touch, yeah. For whatever reason.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:43:29):
And what touch with now one

Jason Howell (00:43:31):
Ui? Oh yeah. No, it's much, it's

Huyen Tue Dao (00:43:32):
Much better. A little bit better. Sorry. Much better.

Ron Richards (00:43:34):
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, am I crazy for remembering or misremembering? But was Eileen was pro Sam wasn't. She was.

Jason Howell (00:43:41):
Did she have a sense? No, you're not, you're not misremembering. She had an, I don't remember if it was an S two or an s3, but I feel like it was one of those. Yep.

Ron Richards (00:43:49):
And I don't know why. And, and it's continued on 12 years later, but I've just been irrationally against Samsung for some reason. I have no idea why.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:43:56):
I, I have no idea why either. Considering they are like the number two earner for the entire country of South Korea. First of all, so

Ron Richards (00:44:06):
<Laugh>, I, I mean I have so much invested in the South Korea. No,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:44:10):
I just need to say, I just mean to say they're a literal powerhouse. Oh

Ron Richards (00:44:14):
Sure. Yeah. No. And I have a Samsung oven, you know, I don't know. But for some reason the phones have always like the, the, the TouchWiz and the, the one, like the need to make the Samsung ecosystem has always been an obstacle for me. I've never wanted to jump in that way. Like I definitely saw the Yeah, I saw it. It like one Jason, when we talk about, you know, looking at the history of the last 13 years, one topic that we talked a lot about was fragmentation. Oh yes. I felt, and I, and I was very obviously being a G one user and very pro Google, you know, continued on, you know, now 13 years later with my, with my pixel I wanted one Android and I felt like very early on Samsung was, was already bifurcating Android into its own thing. And I, and that never sat well with me.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:44:57):
Well then it got in trouble and then Google started reigning everything in. Yeah. And now it's such a good player.

Jason Howell (00:45:05):
No, they're in cahoots now.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:45:07):
They're well mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. Mm. To an extent. Right. Cahoots. E because Samsung still needs Android. Right. Cahoots ish to sell as many units as it does. It's nothing without that Android Yep. Operating system. Yep. Which is tended to by Google.

Jason Howell (00:45:20):
Alright, so then we place votes.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:45:24):
Of course it's in the Hall of Fame. It not only has started

Jason Howell (00:45:27):

Huyen Tue Dao (00:45:27):
Android. Yeah. It started fragmentation. Oh,

Jason Howell (00:45:31):
They can hang a tab of fragmentation. I'm in. It

Huyen Tue Dao (00:45:33):
Did good and bad. Gosh, you said the F word. <Laugh>.

Jason Howell (00:45:36):
<Laugh>. Alright. I, yeah. Whether you like it or not, the S two was an important device. Yes. For, for Android and for Samsung. Yes. Speaking of Samsung, we had the note, the, the first of the note series happened same year. Actually. This is

Ron Richards (00:45:52):
2011. This is the easiest. This is the easiest one. This is a fast. Yes. This is mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. The, this is the, this is the, started the f as a product, as a product spot in the world. It led to tablets and Jason from a little Allman Android history. This led to Android in the wild because That's right. We desperately wanted people to tell us if they saw a note in the wild because it, because how many jokes about taken out this enormous phone on the subway? Oh,

Jason Howell (00:46:20):
Whatever it was. Everything. The, the press was very negative towards it. Zd net said, you'll look faintly ridiculous. Making a call with the Galaxy Note. And right Central said it was more of a technical showcase than a product with Mass Appeal slash Gear said it was simply too much to pocket for the average user. It was a 5.3 inch display <laugh>, which oh my God, when you hear that now, nothing sounds like a small smallish

Huyen Tue Dao (00:46:45):
Summer children. Oh my gosh.

Jason Howell (00:46:47):
But, but neat. I like, I should pull out like the Nexus one just as, as a, in my hand, like example of what phones of the time period look like. Like they were tiny. Oh.

Ron Richards (00:46:59):
Oh, I love my little nexus.

Jason Howell (00:47:00):

Ron Richards (00:47:00):
N one, nexus one. I, I love the Nexus one with this cute little track

Huyen Tue Dao (00:47:03):
Ball. I

Jason Howell (00:47:04):
Love this. Yes. This was an normal sized device.

Ron Richards (00:47:06):
Yeah, I love that phone. Love track

Jason Howell (00:47:08):
Ball, you know, and then, I mean, love that. This is the set, the six P which by the way, I couldn't remember the, the unlock code. And so it factory reset. Goodness. I can't even look at that phone. Anyways, the Sixers P is much larger, probably larger than the note that we're talking about. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. But yeah, so interesting. Yeah, I think, I think the Galaxy Note is a no-brainer. It was <affirmative>, it was Samsung going out on a limb on something new mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, which as they've proved over the years, they do and they do pretty successfully. Yeah. And even, even when mocked in the beginning, they still proved that they were ahead of the curve on this trend.

Ron Richards (00:47:46):
Yep, yep, yep. Agreed. So that

Jason Howell (00:47:48):

Ron Richards (00:47:48):
Like a easily

Jason Howell (00:47:49):
Sounds like an easy, easy winner. Easy Easy

Huyen Tue Dao (00:47:52):
Haven. Hopped out the Spen since I got my ultra reviewing it, but, you know, but you know

Jason Howell (00:47:56):
What? You don't have to. I don't if you, if you want to, it's there, but you don't have to. I bet you don't. No one's, no one's telling you. You got to just cause it's there. I'm,

Ron Richards (00:48:05):
I'm so excited for the next one. Yes.

Jason Howell (00:48:07):
All right, next one. So 2011 big year for Samsung 20 12, 20 13. That's the era that we're getting into right now. Big for Google the Nexus seven, the first version of the Nexus seven. Right. Which I have over here and I could, hold on one

Huyen Tue Dao (00:48:22):
Second. It's that cracked one. Yeah, it's

Ron Richards (00:48:24):
The one I love the seven white. Miss

Huyen Tue Dao (00:48:26):
It so much.

Jason Howell (00:48:28):

Ron Richards (00:48:28):
So it felt so good.

Jason Howell (00:48:29):
I can't turn it on cuz it doesn't charge. If you see the crack on the screen, it could have something to do with it. But yeah. So this was the Nexus seven. This is is the seven inch tablet. The the tablet that passed Ron's back pocket test.

Ron Richards (00:48:45):
That what started the back pocket test.

Jason Howell (00:48:47):
Started the back. Yes. If a tablet can't fit in Ron's back pocket, then it's just not a tablet for Ron. Don't want no <laugh>, although I don't know if your current tablet can actually fit. I gonna

Ron Richards (00:48:55):
Say Pixel tablet much bigger than my made. It is, it is much bigger than my back pocket left. Like the phones, the tablets have gotten bigger. We but the seven, the seven was so great because what was great was that it had such awesome single hand feel. Mm-Hmm. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:49:08):
Like you could,

Ron Richards (00:49:09):
It was great. You could hold that tablet like how you're holding it, Jason, you could hold that tablet in one hand and like it for the first time. It felt like an Android tablet could compete with a Kindle. That's what, that's what was really important to

Huyen Tue Dao (00:49:19):
Me. Yes. It was totally a Kindle competitor. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:49:22):
So, by the way, I'm trying to like frame it perfectly

Huyen Tue Dao (00:49:24):
Here. I love this thing so

Jason Howell (00:49:25):
Much. So this is, so on my left, this reminds me of that is Flow Z fold four, right? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> Z fold four, the Nexus seven. Mm-Hmm. Gosh, when you put 'em side by side, they're really not much different in size. Yep. Obviously the Z fold Yep. Is a little like wider. Yeah. Like, you know, it just extends a little bit. But, but it makes up for,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:49:42):
But Ron was saying thumb, thumb, tablet. Tablet that you can thumb at. That's why the foldables are doing so well. Because, well,

Jason Howell (00:49:49):
Although I have to say the single, the single hand experience on the Nexus seven definitely better than the single hand experience on the Z fold. Four. Mm. I, I still, with those foldables, they're wide enough that I feel like I'm gonna drop it on an $1,800 device. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, I don't like that feeling.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:50:03):
Like carrying a Bible.

Jason Howell (00:50:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. that's true. Nexus 7 20 12. This was the first of two that Google did. Actually I have the other one.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:50:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bring the, that that was the one that I bought. The second gen.

Jason Howell (00:50:17):
Second gen. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> which is not broken, but still also could not hold the chart.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:50:22):
Yeah. Backside was black.

Jason Howell (00:50:23):
That's right. Oh.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:50:24):
Or they had the orange one too though.

Jason Howell (00:50:25):
Oh yeah, they did. Yep. Mm-hmm. <Affirmative> still rocking, rocking the u sb micro. The micro u sb, yeah. Ports. So we're not in the u s BBC era quite yet, but I would say the, the initial is the Hall of Fame worthy one. The Nexus 7 20 12. It was part of it. It was a part of a slew of devices. What other devices did they announce that year? I mean, that was a big year. One

Ron Richards (00:50:50):
Nex. Was that the Nexus? Was that the Nexus four year?

Huyen Tue Dao (00:50:53):

Ron Richards (00:50:53):
Yeah, it was right.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:50:55):

Ron Richards (00:50:56):
Nexus four came out on November 13th, 2012. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:50:59):
Okay. So you had the Nexus four, you had the tablet. Was that the Nexus Q Year?

Huyen Tue Dao (00:51:05):
Nexus Q is 2012.

Jason Howell (00:51:07):
2012. 2012. So that was it. Io Yes. So it was the Nexus seven. It was the Nexus four and it was the Nexus Q I do have the Q over there. There. Wait,

Ron Richards (00:51:15):
Okay. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Hang on. I got it. Okay. So, Google talk about this. Talk about turn about the clock and memories. Google was expected to launch the Nexus four at a press event in New York City. However, the event was canceled due to Hurricane Sandy. Oh.

Jason Howell (00:51:30):
Oh my gosh. That's right.

Ron Richards (00:51:32):
And the Nexus four, along with Android 4.2, the Nexus 10 tablet and the Nexus Nexus seven with cellular network support was unveiled by Google via press release on October 29th, 2012

Jason Howell (00:51:45):
Government. Oh, thought that was so weird. Yeah.

Ron Richards (00:51:47):
Do you remember the press release announcement? Yes. Yep. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:51:49):
Yeah. So this is the Nexus 10. There we go. Got the Nexus 10. You can see. And again, it would not hold a charge. I could not charge it, but you can see the display is separating. Oh.

Ron Richards (00:51:58):
So, so this is what ha this is what happened. The Nexus seven came out at IO in the spring and mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. The, and then, then the Nexus four and the Nexus 10. And the, and the cellular version of Nexus seven came out that fall. Nexus four.

Jason Howell (00:52:13):
I got it around here

Ron Richards (00:52:14):
Somewhere. So the Nexus, look at the

Huyen Tue Dao (00:52:16):
Back nexus. Yeah. It's the four.

Jason Howell (00:52:17):
There we go. There was the four <laugh>. See? And you know, four. Cause it's all sparkly. Mm-Hmm. Oh, that's such a cool effect. I always loved that effect.

Ron Richards (00:52:24):
Oh, I remember this. Yeah. That was cool. So the Nexus seven was revealed on June 27th at Google io along with Android version 4.1 Jelly Bean. Yeah. Hugo Barra. That

Jason Howell (00:52:35):
Was such a year. What? A year.

Ron Richards (00:52:37):
And that, so that, so, so the white edition of the Nexus seven was given to Google IO attendees. I remember that. Along with the Galaxy Nexus with jellybean pre-installed the Nexus Q and the Chrome box.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:52:50):
Oh, the box. Yes. The chrome box.

Jason Howell (00:52:52):
Wait a minute. The Chrome box. Why am I blanking on the Chrome box?

Huyen Tue Dao (00:52:55):
It was a self

Ron Richards (00:52:56):

Huyen Tue Dao (00:52:56):
Desktop. Yeah, desktop

Jason Howell (00:52:57):
Chrome. Oh, wow. I totally forgot about that thing, because

Huyen Tue Dao (00:53:01):
Pcs were doing that at that time. So they were trying really hard to like

Jason Howell (00:53:05):
That's right. You know, man, the Chromebox. Yeah. I forgot. All right. I don't even think we have to ask the question on the next seven. That's, that, that was a monumental device, right? It

Huyen Tue Dao (00:53:16):
Was the last great Android tablet. That's it.

Jason Howell (00:53:19):
Boom. Swish. Nothing but net. Okay. alright. I feel like I get it. Yeah. Whatever. I'll just,

Ron Richards (00:53:27):
Oh, well this one. No,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:53:29):
Don't do that. You have to take care of them. Now. You have the archive of stuff.

Jason Howell (00:53:33):
They gotta go back home. Go home

Ron Richards (00:53:36):
For audio listeners. Jason is knocking over things on the table. He's just shoving

Huyen Tue Dao (00:53:39):

Jason Howell (00:53:40):
Back. I'm, I'm spoiled with technology here.

Ron Richards (00:53:42):
I'm gonna handle the, the intro for this next device. Cause the next device

Jason Howell (00:53:46):
You have to

Ron Richards (00:53:47):
This next device is the device that established the ban. Android Hall of Fame. Cuz it is the greatest single Android phone, in my opinion, ever in existence. The Nexus five. A lot of people would agree from 2013.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:53:59):
A lot of people would agree. I would agree. Also came into, I would agree it

Ron Richards (00:54:02):
Was the great rubberized back. Mm-Hmm. Like this tacky kind of, but not too tacky, but like, you got a good grip on it won't slip.

Jason Howell (00:54:09):
I'll put an asterisks on that, but I'll, I'll, I'll answer it in a second. I

Ron Richards (00:54:12):
Had like four of these phones. I just kept them buying.

Jason Howell (00:54:15):
You kept getting them. I remember that. I know.

So yes, it has the tacky much later, the tacky quality. But what I've come to learn over the years is this tacky quality is great when you first get the device and over time it gets sticky and it starts to kind of peel away. It's like, it's, it's weird. You almost have to, at a certain point that like a lot of audio gear has done this in recent years. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> <affirmative>. And it gets it just gets gross and you end up having to Yes. Mm-Hmm. Totally remove it with alcohol. This phone is actually starting to feel a little sticky. It's not quite peeling off yet, but, so at least there's that. But, but when it was new, it felt really

Ron Richards (00:54:54):
Nice. Found my, I found my last one in a box recently, and it was like, I, it was gross to touch like exactly that it happened. But at the time, this phone was great. It was like cutting edge of what was going on with, with Android at the time. It just felt like an, an advancement in terms of like the, the circular camera on the back and just like, so it just did so much. Right. Oh, hey, look at

Jason Howell (00:55:15):
That. It works. Oh, hey, I forgot I got a charge on this one. Okay. Hey. Hello.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:55:19):
Aw, look at that old version. User

Jason Howell (00:55:20):
Interface. Hello. super su. Cause this is rooted. Oh,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:55:26):
So this is doing some hackery?

Jason Howell (00:55:28):
Yeah. Well, yeah, for sure. This is definitely late mode. <Laugh>. There's no

Huyen Tue Dao (00:55:35):
Remember when there wasn't a dark mode?

Jason Howell (00:55:36):
See, I'm not signed in. Yes. So there's my my notifications. We have a little quick settings pane. Oh, sorry. I had the glare. Yeah, there we go. There we go. About phone. Got

Huyen Tue Dao (00:55:48):
A hollow design. You know, this is still what the, this is what the Peloton settings look like. It still has the hollow design <laugh>, the Peloton Android with Oh, I love that. With Android tablets in the wild, like pelotons and then the, the Lululemon. The Lululemon mirror. The Mirror <laugh>. Yeah. Yeah. They all are still on hollow. And it's, it's very nostalgic and lovely.

Jason Howell (00:56:11):
Oh, I forgot about this. Oh.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:56:13):
Oh my God. That's a great It was the Flay

Jason Howell (00:56:15):
Bird One was the Flappy Bird. Yeah. Remember Flappy Bird? Remember that? Oh my

Ron Richards (00:56:18):
Gosh. The hidden, the hidden Flappy bird game inside the, that's

Jason Howell (00:56:21):
Amazing. There you go. Inside the next you can play

Huyen Tue Dao (00:56:23):
Flappy Bird at a Dave and Buster's now.

Jason Howell (00:56:26):
Yeah. Tickets. Tickets for ticket. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. That's a thing.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:56:28):
Well, I did have the red one of these, and I covered it so bad. And then I left it in a cab in New York City and I was absolutely devastated. Oh. I think I couldn't afford to buy a new one.

Jason Howell (00:56:38):
That's, it's gotta be a collect

Huyen Tue Dao (00:56:39):
600 outright. Like, you know, it's

Huyen Tue Dao (00:56:42):
A lot. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. It's not, I forgot

Jason Howell (00:56:44):
There were only 600 is is that what you

Huyen Tue Dao (00:56:46):
Said? Oh, they were $600. Right. Were

Jason Howell (00:56:47):
$6, nine. I was like, there were only 600 of those. No, no, no, no. Wow. That means

Huyen Tue Dao (00:56:53):
It's a very popular

Jason Howell (00:56:54):
Phone item. Okay. So again, next is five. There's no question that gets in there for sure. Yep. It deserves to be there. The Chromecast dongle Yes. Is something to consider. Heck

Huyen Tue Dao (00:57:04):
Yes. Yes. Oh my gosh. This was

Jason Howell (00:57:05):
Also 2013. So 2013 was another changer. Google was, was, was kind of on a roll at this time when it came to hardware. They were doing hardware, but they weren't like saying like, this is our hardware necessarily. Not in the way that they are now that they have a hardware division. Cause you remember all the Nexus devices? They weren't Google devices. Like the Nexus five was an LG device. Yep. In collaboration with lg. I think Google actually did do the Chrome. They actually did do the Nexus q the year before. So there were certain hardware efforts that they were willing to kind of put their entire company muscle behind.

Ron Richards (00:57:39):
They were, they were flirting with hardware at this point.

Jason Howell (00:57:41):
Yeah, they were trying. Were they were exploring it. But under, often under the guise of like Nexus, like this is made for developers to test their stuff

Huyen Tue Dao (00:57:50):
On. Well, hold on. But this, but this came out, but this is different. This came out after Android TV had been like rebranded two or three times already. Yep. Yes. Okay. And then they released this and we were like, what is this? Which introduced why?

Ron Richards (00:58:03):
Cause I had, I had an Android, a Google TV or Android TV set top box. Do you remember I had that, that white box with the DVD player mm-hmm. <Affirmative> and like, stuff like that. And like, this was the future. And then the next release was this little dongle, which is like so far opposite of that. Right.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:58:16):
Yeah. My husband did the same thing. Ron he, he bought all the set top boxes. They all ended up in the back of the closet at some point. And then this wonderful $35 device comes out and it's like, he's thankful but also kind of cursing in his head a little bit. Like why I spend so much money on the set top boxes. But, and then we bought like 15,000 like Google Chromes for like, or a Chromecast rather for any situation. Like, we go over to visit our family. Every house gets a Chromecast. We're

Jason Howell (00:58:41):
Traveling. Yeah. We're, we're staying at an Airbnb bring the Chromecast. Yes. You know, you can always watch your own stuff. 35.

Ron Richards (00:58:47):
It enabled you. Like, I mean this, this plus Chromecast does an app. Like really, it, it, it talk about a game changer. It just made it that you could turn any TV into powered by your phone, which is just so, which is awesome.

Jason Howell (00:58:58):
Didn't need a remote. It's amazing. Yeah. It's funny. I'm looking on the table and I'm seeing over here the n player, which was the next year. This was 2014. Yes. But this was Google trying to

Huyen Tue Dao (00:59:10):
Do I I completely forgot about that one. I

Jason Howell (00:59:11):
Forgot Totally.

Ron Richards (00:59:12):

Jason Howell (00:59:12):
Course. Yeah, of course. It didn't really forget about, it didn't really last very long prior to that. Actually. I have, this is the ADT one, which I think came out the same year as Chromecast possibly. This was

Huyen Tue Dao (00:59:24):
Like the a t Oh, that was the reference how huge

Jason Howell (00:59:27):
This was the reference model. I remember that. Yeah. And so I think this came out same time as this, as like a standalone set top reference model for developers that ultimately, if my memory is correct led to the Nexus player, which didn't really make much of a dent of anything. Nope. A puck. But anyways, the Chrome cast dongle, you can't argue with this tiny, little inexpensive, but p just as powerful as you actually really need to do what it's designed to do. Well, back then, back then it was

Huyen Tue Dao (00:59:59):
Perfect. It definitely started slowing or showing its age once they kept introducing new models.

Jason Howell (01:00:05):
And yeah, I have to say this is a pretty relevant device to now because it was just a hand like a couple of weeks ago that they ended support for this thing. This thing lasted 10 years. Yep.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:00:18):
Yeah. To an extent,

Jason Howell (01:00:19):
Right? Yes. Right. To an extent. Be before the end of official support. I don't know how well it lasted for 10 years, but Google only recently ended support for it. What are

Huyen Tue Dao (01:00:28):
We gonna do with this stuff?

Jason Howell (01:00:30):
Dude? Tell me about it.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:00:32):
Like, I don't know what to do with all this stuff. I'm, you know.

Jason Howell (01:00:35):
Yeah. I'm obviously drowning in stuff and I don't know what to do with it. They, they, they're good at turning your TV into a picture frame.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:00:42):
That's about it.

Jason Howell (01:00:43):
That's about it.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:00:44):
Yeah. That's about it.

Jason Howell (01:00:46):
Okay. So Chromecast dongle, what do we think? Is it Oh, Hondo pee? Hell yeah. Hell yeah. I have a feeling these are all just gonna make it and that's totally okay, because we put 'em in here for a reason. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Okay. This one I added. I wasn't sure how everybody was gonna feel about it, but the Moto X 2013, same year. This was Motorola. I, I only put this in here because I remember being so like, entranced by this idea of customizing. Sure, yeah. The device talking about a mo maker was mm-hmm. <Affirmative> making

Huyen Tue Dao (01:01:19):
It in Texas. American made.

Jason Howell (01:01:21):
It was American made. That's right. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, there was the, the story behind it was cool. And then the experience of ordering, it was just so neat. It was like, wait a minute, I can write something on it. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, I can, I can choose my own like, unique color combinations. And you weren't seeing that. You were seeing a lot of black devices. And then along comes the Moto X and it's like, no, what do you want your device to look like? Make it Well,

Ron Richards (01:01:44):
So, and then I will, I was on the fence with this until I went back and re-read it and forgot that it was $199.

Jason Howell (01:01:52):
Oh, that's right. It was, it was, yes. Relatively cheap phone. Yeah.

Ron Richards (01:01:56):
So it really started the low range phone, you know, like mid

Jason Howell (01:02:01):
Range day. That's incredible. That cost,

Ron Richards (01:02:03):
The mid-range didn't exist at this point. It was all, there was no, it was all flagships. And like flagships hadn't gotten crazy yet at that point either too. Like it was phones were five, you know, you know, 5 99 or whatever. Like we were talking earlier. But this was super affordable and started the, the low end or mid range as a product unit. So like, while I was, I was like, and Motor X I think I'm a yes.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:02:25):
Right? Did it? No, I don't really think it started it. I don't know.

Ron Richards (01:02:30):
I guess it bolstered it,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:02:32):
It didn't, it didn't bolster it. Let's not forget the ax was not a good phone.

Ron Richards (01:02:38):
<Laugh>. I, oh,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:02:39):
It was, it was not a good, I reviewed it and it was not a good phone. I

Jason Howell (01:02:42):
Disagree. We had, we had one,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:02:45):
The camera was really

Jason Howell (01:02:46):
Bad. The, the, the features, the software features that Motorola included, but the camera

Huyen Tue Dao (01:02:50):
Was atrocious. Awesome.

Jason Howell (01:02:52):
No, the

Huyen Tue Dao (01:02:52):
Camera was so bad.

Jason Howell (01:02:53):
But, but Flo, most cameras were aroc atrocious at

Huyen Tue Dao (01:02:57):
Phones at, at that time. No time. You got something better in a Samsung than you did in this Moto X

Jason Howell (01:03:01):
I'm sure you did. This was also a $200 device, right? The tradeoff. Was

Huyen Tue Dao (01:03:06):
It $200? Because I could have sworn paying more for mine when I bought it.

Jason Howell (01:03:11):
I, no, that's was, that sounds low to me. I, I'm not, I, my, I can't remember how much,

Ron Richards (01:03:15):
According, according to the, the article that we referenced in the dock here, it says From The Verge, and that was the review. It says, when it becomes available on all four carriers for roughly 1 99 with a two year contract,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:03:25):
1 99 with a two year contract. But how much was it outright?

Ron Richards (01:03:30):
Sure. Yeah. Unlocked

Jason Howell (01:03:31):
A lost

Huyen Tue Dao (01:03:32):
Costs. So it was not $200, it was $200 subsidized.

Jason Howell (01:03:36):
If you're, but you know, sometimes that's just how phones were sold though. Again, that's how

Huyen Tue Dao (01:03:40):
Phones were sold. But this

Jason Howell (01:03:41):
Is, this is a different time.

Ron Richards (01:03:42):
Let's keep in. So, so keep in mind, like, I'm looking right now at best cheap mobile phones for 2013. And we're talking like the Nokia Lumia five 20 running that, bless, remember those, like, those, those windows panels windows, right? Yes. Yep. And the, the Samsung Galaxy S three Mini and the HTC Windows phones. So like, in terms of affordability, it really wasn't, you know, like the Galaxy S three mini was the only one out there. Remember the S three mini, by the way, four 80 by 800 <laugh> resolution on the screen.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:04:15):
<Laugh>. So I, I just brought up my con my order confirmation for my Moto X customized Moto X. Yes. And did I paid for it outright. Go ahead. I paid for it unlocked. Oh, how

Ron Richards (01:04:23):

Huyen Tue Dao (01:04:23):
Was it? Mobile SIMM 575 that'ss. What I hold

Jason Howell (01:04:27):
That makes no sense. That's what I

Huyen Tue Dao (01:04:28):

Ron Richards (01:04:29):
All right. I'm a no then I'm a no on the Motor X then that

Jason Howell (01:04:31):
Makes more sense. Yeah. I knew this was a, it wasn't a good, could be a controversial

Huyen Tue Dao (01:04:35):
One. It wasn't an interesting phone Yes. For the Android ecosystem, but it didn't like move the needle for it didn't move the needle for us. Right. And also I think that S3 Mini was only available overseas of she

Jason Howell (01:04:48):
Loved her Moto X and the fa and the, the i I also, and I'm, I'm willing to accept that it's not part of the Hall of Fame, but I remember when it came out, how excited we were about the software. Like the flip the to do the cameras. Yes.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:05:01):
The flip flip the flip the camera.

Jason Howell (01:05:02):
The fact that the the OS experience was cl was like close to vanilla. Like it did a lot of things right. Yes. And it was unique in its own right. That's kind of, and and I will also admit it started an emotional component to it cuz we had it in house. And I remember it.

Ron Richards (01:05:18):
Same, but definitely. But it did start Motorola on the path that it kind of still is on now. Right. Like the, like of where they fit in the market after a lot of identity crisis and corporate maneuvering and things like that. So, yeah.

Jason Howell (01:05:32):
All right. So this is, I mean, is sounds like this is a No, I'm kind of like on the fence at this point. How do you feel when you had one of these?

Huyen Tue Dao (01:05:40):
I had one. I loved it. For all the reasons you loved it. I love the gestures. I did love that it was fairly close to stock Android. Cuz that's always important. Yes. That was extra important to me back then. But I, I do feel like it's like a personal bias. And I think,

Jason Howell (01:05:54):
All right, if we're going

Huyen Tue Dao (01:05:55):
For game changing, no. Even though

Huyen Tue Dao (01:05:57):
I love it, this wouldn't have a rock of hall of Rock, rock Hall of Fame,

Jason Howell (01:06:02):
Special British Rock.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:06:04):
It wouldn't have a Rock Hall of Fame special

Ron Richards (01:06:06):

Huyen Tue Dao (01:06:07):
Yes. That's what I'm trying to say. Yeah. Yeah. We would not have all

Jason Howell (01:06:09):
Special dedicated be like, what is Emoto Wax? Yeah, yeah. No, you're right. All right.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:06:14):
But the next one.

Jason Howell (01:06:15):
Okay. All right. This is kind of, yeah. Similar but this. Okay. All right. So

Huyen Tue Dao (01:06:20):
Let's, the next one is, yeah, the next one. The next one. Game

Ron Richards (01:06:25):
Changer. <Laugh> game

Jason Howell (01:06:26):
Changer. I couldn't have put it better myself. The next one, the HTC one, also known as the M seven also. 2013. 2013. Pretty crazy year. Lots of stuff going on in Android, apparently. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> this device, remember Changer the time. HTC was the company that was putting out Android phones of a quality from like a build perspective. Yes. A design perspective. That was different than what we were seeing from Samsung. Samsung. A lot of their devices. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> had a very plasticy thing going. And like, I remember when HTC was coming out, me being very anti plastic when I started to see the HTC build and being, and of course I think, you know, the iPhone at the time probably influenced that too. Iphone was using aluminum materials, and now you've got HTC one coming out with aluminum full body build. And so yeah. And, you know, it was a trend. It, it furthered the trend of the full unibody metal device design. Hmm. You saw 'em everywhere.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:07:27):
Maybe we should ding it for that then.

Jason Howell (01:07:31):

Ron Richards (01:07:32):
No, not a no. At the time at the, see

Jason Howell (01:07:35):
Where they're coming from.

Ron Richards (01:07:36):
Go back, go back in time. At the time, this phone was a game changer. It looked different than everything. It, it, it pushed HTC out of whatever bucket they were in at that point, which was like a, an afterthought. Remember Jason? The, the phone with the, with the the dongle that lit up.

Jason Howell (01:07:53):
Oh, the, yes. The the friend, the, the

Ron Richards (01:07:56):
Htc. Yeah. Right.

Jason Howell (01:07:58):
Something with a friend. Yeah.

Ron Richards (01:08:00):
HTC was a punchline until this phone. And it really, and, and, and this was about the time that I, that I know I started you know, kind of rebelling against Yeah. Not the friend phones. All the phones looking the same and gimme a phone that looks different and stuff like that. Like this one, this one made you stop and take notice. This one. Th this is a, this is a definite yes for me. Oh,

Jason Howell (01:08:22):
Okay. So how, how do we all feel? Because Yes. I think that's, that's important to, to note because we actually talked about this on a previous episode where this, this came up and I think we had the same conversation. It was like, on one hand, yes. It was a big deal. And it, and it set the trend. It was the first to do this design. On the other hand, we ended up then seeing a million phones that all looked the same, but that were modeled after this. But it was influential, obviously. It was

Ron Richards (01:08:46):
Influential. Yeah. That's my argument. Yeah.

Jason Howell (01:08:49):
Yeah. Okay. How do we feel about that?

Huyen Tue Dao (01:08:54):
Where's HTC now?

Jason Howell (01:08:56):
Well, <laugh> not doing so hot.

Ron Richards (01:08:58):
Not doing

Jason Howell (01:08:59):
So great. Not, not good. Bob,

Ron Richards (01:09:01):
Let's see what, what, what is on their homepage right now? Oh, boy. Right now on their homepage is the Vi XR Elite VR headset. Yeah.

Jason Howell (01:09:09):

Huyen Tue Dao (01:09:09):
I'm I'm

Ron Richards (01:09:10):
Not, but hang on, hang on. They do have the HTC Exodus block phone. The largest crypto exchange meets the Swiss bank in your

Huyen Tue Dao (01:09:18):

Ron Richards (01:09:18):
Oh yeah. I forgot about that. With, with Binance. Oh boy.

Jason Howell (01:09:22):
By the way, the dongle was part of the HTC Bliss.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:09:26):
Yeah. That was the, the Android phone for women. That's right. It came with a pink headphones and it came with a cute little pink light up key chain.

Jason Howell (01:09:35):
Yes. And the idea was that when your phone was in your purse, the, the light up key chain, I would say light up would be on the outside of the purse. And it would blink when you got a call. God

Huyen Tue Dao (01:09:46):
Remember, why are you calling me? Oh my

Jason Howell (01:09:49):
Goodness. I, but it had a name. I'm trying to find the name for the little donly thing. I know. It's, it's gotta be in here. Yeah, it totally, they had a name. It was it did. Oh, I can't find it. And I'm gonna have to give up. Cause the show's going long. But anyways. Okay. All right. So sounds like, well, I don't know. Are we, are we Yes. On this or

Huyen Tue Dao (01:10:11):
No, sorry, flows. The, I'm sorry. No, because outside of us, nobody knows anything about this phone. Doesn't,

Ron Richards (01:10:17):
Jason, that doesn't matter. I'm sorry. It's the, hang on. I'm sorry. The cube device was a charm indicator

Jason Howell (01:10:22):
Charm. Charm. That's what it was. It was the charm. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I don't know that it always has to boil down to do the masses of the world know the device. Like, I mean, that's, that's, that's a great, that's a great reason for some of them, but for some of them other ones, like, did they create a trend? Did they have some sort of influence over Android

Ron Richards (01:10:43):
HCS one?

Huyen Tue Dao (01:10:44):
Do we think Samsung phones got better once this phone came out?

Jason Howell (01:10:49):
Yes, I do. Yeah.

Ron Richards (01:10:50):
Yes. I think all phones did. It was a, it, it was another player in the arena that could actually hold its own and, and pull market share away. Yes. I think a, I think HGC made everybody step up their game with this phone.

Jason Howell (01:11:05):
I think build quality of certain things. Elevated, yeah. After this phone mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. And then they've kind of corrected and, and plastics become Okay. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's, it's kinda like, it, it turned plastic into, it helped to turn plastic into a bad word, which is, you know, depending on how you feel about plastic design a good or a bad thing. Thankfully things have recalibrated, but Yeah, it influenced things. That's, that's why I think,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:11:32):
But, all right.

Jason Howell (01:11:33):
But I mean, it could be, I mean, if it's, if it's not an end, I

Huyen Tue Dao (01:11:36):
Feel like a special mention.

Jason Howell (01:11:38):
Okay. Honorable mention. We could put this, put that in there. We can put this at the end of the

Huyen Tue Dao (01:11:41):
Android Museum. Like honorable mentions at the end of the Android Museum.

Jason Howell (01:11:46):
Alright. All right. Well boy, this is a long episode. You guys. This is

Ron Richards (01:11:51):
Literally going outta the bang. Yep.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:11:52):
<Laugh>. We'll

Ron Richards (01:11:53):
Go fast apps. Don't worry. We'll go

Jason Howell (01:11:55):
Fast. Yeah, we'll go fast. Apps will be a, a quick thing. Okay. I put the one plus one in not because a million people

Huyen Tue Dao (01:12:02):
Know you just made, made Carl pay so happy.

Jason Howell (01:12:03):

Huyen Tue Dao (01:12:03):
That? You just made Carl pay so happy.

Jason Howell (01:12:05):
Hey, in the Android world, it, that was an exciting falling time. It

Huyen Tue Dao (01:12:09):
Was a really exciting time for us. It was very exciting. Yeah, it was.

Jason Howell (01:12:12):
It was. And I have it somewhere here. Where are you?

Huyen Tue Dao (01:12:17):
Remember that back? That vet

Jason Howell (01:12:19):
Back? It's like a, yeah, it's, it kind of concrete, but soft concrete. Oh, wait, wait,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:12:24):
Wait, wait. Show this, show this. What does that say?

Jason Howell (01:12:26):
Cyanogen, right?

Ron Richards (01:12:28):
Hang on. That's in the apps. Hang on. That's in the apps. Don't, don't, don't go too far on that. It's, it's fine.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:12:33):
Just hint to it.

Jason Howell (01:12:35):
I mean, this was, this was a lot of phone from a no, from a nobody for not very much money.

Ron Richards (01:12:44):
And, and when, when, when Gina Trapani got it as her daily driver, that made me take notice. Cuz she's someone, she was, so, she's is still to this day, someone whose opinion I valued. And I was like, oh, if this phone is good enough for her, then this is probably worth checking out. And I mean, it, it established one, one plus, one plus is still kicking. They're still here. Whether, whether you like 'em or not.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:13:03):
Well, and they have B b K money behind them. That's helping a lot. Yeah. So

Jason Howell (01:13:06):
Yeah. One plus is definitely, I would say a different, a different company now than they were then as far as their strategy for phones back then. And for many years they were really appealing to the hardcore, they still do enthusiasts. They

Huyen Tue Dao (01:13:21):
Still do.

Jason Howell (01:13:22):
They do. But they've, they've broadened out to, to want to be more than that at this point. Well, but you can go into a carrier store and find their low end nods and you know what I mean? Like Yes. But

Huyen Tue Dao (01:13:35):
They're still the only like phone company right now that's just, you know, trying to be a little more different than trying to offer

Jason Howell (01:13:44):
Something. Just trying to think different.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:13:46):
Ugh. Try try

Jason Howell (01:13:48):

Huyen Tue Dao (01:13:49):
Anyway, they've done very well with establishing, establishing themselves as like, if you're a real Android nerd, then you're probably gonna get something extra out of a OnePlus device. Yeah.

Jason Howell (01:13:58):
Yeah. I th I think nowadays maybe that's, that story has, has gotten harder for me to see with ease the way it was then, if that makes sense. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, then it was really you know, they, I mean, case in point, Cyanogen is on the back of this phone. Like, they had a very specific user that they were targeting in the early days, and that got all of us very excited. Early Dockers. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. And not only that, like, it was like the design, I remember the design just being super impressed by it and it's inexpensive. And you know, the only thing that really messed up at the time I remember was their marketing <laugh>, their marketing song.

Ron Richards (01:14:36):
Oh, remember those? Oh, they

Jason Howell (01:14:37):
Made a lot of mistakes.

Ron Richards (01:14:38):
But it's been x number of days since a marketing blunder by OnePlus. Oh

Jason Howell (01:14:42):
Man. Right? Yes. Well, but but again, this also is an emotional, I I realize entry for me, like I was a big fan of the one plus one. We can have

Huyen Tue Dao (01:14:51):
Emotional entries.

Jason Howell (01:14:52):

Ron Richards (01:14:52):
Yeah. No, but I do, I like the HCC one. The one plus one introduced another player into the field where like, we watched this grow from just talking about Samsung phones to goo, you know, whatever Google phones were now we had hc now we have one plus one. Like, there, there was a nice time period between 2014 and today, even to this day, where there was, if it wasn't just one or two companies putting out phones of note mm-hmm.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:15:16):
<Affirmative>. No, I think that's a good point. I think they showed that it doesn't have to be a big player. And so it, it it's kind of, it's kind of noteworthy to, in, in my mind for that. Like, we were for sure my husband. Yeah, for sure. It doesn't have to,

Jason Howell (01:15:28):
Like, we weren't used to seeing a brand new company outta nowhere come out with a phone that captured the imagination, that delivered on the promise. Like, you know, that, that you didn't have to spend an arm and a leg to get, like, it was a lot very suddenly from this company we had never heard of. And we all took notice. We did. And mm-hmm. So that's why I nominate the one plus one for the Hall of Fame. How do we feel about it? I vote. I vote yes. Yes.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:15:56):

Jason Howell (01:15:57):
Yeah. Okay. Reluctantly,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:15:59):
I'll take it. <Laugh>.

Jason Howell (01:16:01):
The Nvidia Shield not an Android device specifically. Well, not an Android phone. Still going

Huyen Tue Dao (01:16:09):

Jason Howell (01:16:10):
Still. I know you gotta

Huyen Tue Dao (01:16:12):
Give it still going strong.

Jason Howell (01:16:13):
Nvidia Shield credit, that old hardware still rocking. It is. Although are they supporting the very, very first one still anymore? I think they dropped support for it, but still might be working. But still that was 2015.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:16:23):
Oh, I don't remember. But the people who are buying Shield TVs are buying them because they have media servers at home. They have things they wanna do. Yeah. So I don't think it matters if it's being supported or not.

Jason Howell (01:16:37):
Yeah. so yeah, so I'm, I mean this, this might be you know, this might be an on the fence device as well. But we've, as far as this show is concerned, it's certainly come up a lot of times about us praising it for it's ability to deliver Android tv, Google tv, whatever you want. Whatever it is at any given point successfully in a, in a way that makes sense compared to a lot of others right in the field that did it very poorly. And the just like unending support for it has been something worthy of

Huyen Tue Dao (01:17:12):
Noting. Okay. So in the Android creation museum, which is not at all problematic by the way like the actual creation museum you would run into the Nexus Shield TV probably midway. It, it would be a diorama. Right? A diorama of devices not made by Google that carried the ecosystem, carried their respective.

Ron Richards (01:17:36):
Well, there's a, there's a, there's a whole section about entertainment, right? Entertainment devices and like to the TV and like the lean section

Huyen Tue Dao (01:17:43):
Experience's a section. Correct. It's a very dark section. Mm-Hmm.

Ron Richards (01:17:46):
<Affirmative>. Yep. Yeah.

Jason Howell (01:17:48):
<Laugh>, I can picture, oh, the

Ron Richards (01:17:50):
Shield is important. I think the, the shield, the shield gave legitimacy to Android tv. I think to a certain degree it

Huyen Tue Dao (01:17:55):
Helped Android TV stay.

Ron Richards (01:17:57):
Exactly. Yeah. Android TV was, Android TV was a, was a weird little thing with their set top box that with the, with the remote that was a keyboard and all that sort of stuff. And, and the moment that another company like Nvidia picked up on and said, no, we think we can do something with this. I, I think it gave it legitimacy and just the fact that the fact that the, the, the product line is still going, it's still high quality. It's still one of the best set top boxes you can get for your buck. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> bang for your buck. Remind everybody, don't use the apps in your tv. Get a set top box, plug it in. That way you have control over it and can update it and all that sort of thing. And the shield, you can't go wrong with it. So, I don't know. I think, I think the shield's important in terms of the, the, I would put the shield in over the original white DVD player Google TV box that I had. Mm.

Jason Howell (01:18:44):
Oh, I forgot about that thing. Yeah.

Ron Richards (01:18:46):
Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>. Yep.

Jason Howell (01:18:47):
Yeah. Oh, for sure. Like, yeah. See, I forgot about that thing. I didn't forget about this. Okay, so shield tvb. Yay. Yay.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:18:57):
It's in the special mention section.

Jason Howell (01:18:59):
Another honorable mention. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Okay. I'll,

Ron Richards (01:19:02):
I'll, yeah, I'll give, I'll give it a, just because it's not phone. Yeah. Like that sort of, that's fine.

Jason Howell (01:19:06):
Yeah. I, I give it that too. I think it, I think it deserves to be there. Okay. So then we're rounding things out here. We have three more. Yes. Well, this a lot longer than I thought it was gonna be, but that's okay. It doesn't matter because this is all you get after tonight. Pixel one Is Pixel one the right pixel? If we were to pick a pixel to say, yeah,

Ron Richards (01:19:26):

Jason Howell (01:19:26):
A pixel. This is pick a, pick a pixel. Pick. Pick a, pick a pick.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:19:29):
Pixel, pickle peppers. So where did this pixel come from? This blue one.

Jason Howell (01:19:33):
Oh, that is Burke's. So

Huyen Tue Dao (01:19:34):
Burke, this is my, this is my pixel that I sold to Burke. Oh, is it? Yes. Oh, is

Jason Howell (01:19:40):
This, and this is a pixel one?

Huyen Tue Dao (01:19:42):

Jason Howell (01:19:42):
Okay. That's what I thought. And he, he couldn't, he couldn't remember if it was a

Huyen Tue Dao (01:19:45):
One or I thought Burke, I thought you got rid of this phone. I thought you got rid of it and that it died. I didn't know he still had it. Burke. I took this phone around the, he

Ron Richards (01:19:54):
Died and went into it. It went in, it went into Jason's graveyard.

Jason Howell (01:19:57):
No, no, this went into Burke's graveyard. He brought in a few devices. So yeah. This is not part

Huyen Tue Dao (01:20:02):
Of my, I'm glad Beard Burke still kept it. That's

Jason Howell (01:20:03):
A beautiful phone. Yeah. What to say? This was

Huyen Tue Dao (01:20:06):
A special one. Love color. I bought it with like, it didn't even have as much storage as the other ones. And I still bought it cuz I just wanted

Jason Howell (01:20:11):
Because of the color. Yeah, color. Well, you know what, you wouldn't have this color without the Moto X in 2013. Oh, it boot

Ron Richards (01:20:17):
Loops. Like ww

Huyen Tue Dao (01:20:19):
Yeah, that's right. Burke's just, it was great while I had, yeah. Burke came in to say it boot looped and I remember feeling really bad for selling him this phone That was booty

Jason Howell (01:20:27):
<Laugh>. That's funny. I mean, there's something about the design on this thing. Like it's got this nice little indentation. It's not just,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:20:34):
And then feel the ridges on the, on the

Jason Howell (01:20:35):
Buttons. I, no, it just, it just feels nice. This was a nice feeling. Took,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:20:39):
Took this phone to Iceland.

Jason Howell (01:20:41):
Sorry to be broken. His phone new in New Zealand. It's just so nice.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:20:44):
This was my only camera in New Zealand and in Iceland. And I didn't regret it.

Jason Howell (01:20:48):
No, you wouldn't regret it. The pixels have, have always had excellent pictures. Excellent

Huyen Tue Dao (01:20:54):
Camera. Now I would,

Jason Howell (01:20:55):

Huyen Tue Dao (01:20:56):
Now I feel very differently

Jason Howell (01:20:57):
Necessarily. Agree. I know you feel that way, way I feel

Huyen Tue Dao (01:20:59):
Very differently now.

Jason Howell (01:21:00):
I don't, I don't totally agree, but I understand what you're saying. It's maybe it's different. No, I mean, I don't know. I have great

Huyen Tue Dao (01:21:06):
Success. I mean, I go, I've gone back to like needing a a, if I'm going on vacation or something, I need an extra cam. I need a real camera.

Jason Howell (01:21:13):
Got it. Yeah. That's bummer. That's if you feel like you,

Ron Richards (01:21:16):
Jason, go back to your original question of is this the right pixel?

Jason Howell (01:21:19):
Well, yeah, I mean that, that was my question. Like there, there've been a lot of pixels. I've, I've enjoyed most of them. Like, I was like, when I was trying to pick a pixel <laugh>, God, I keep saying it's gonna who pick pixel crack me up every time. I, I was like, I, I don't know. Like is the two a better phone than one? Or is one notable? Well, one was the fact first, or I don't know what model had the, what model

Ron Richards (01:21:40):
Was the first xl?

Jason Howell (01:21:44):
Was it the two? Two or three? It was the three. Whenever they,

Ron Richards (01:21:47):
Whenever they jumped the

Jason Howell (01:21:48):
Size. Cause I, I feel

Ron Richards (01:21:50):
Like that was a notable

Jason Howell (01:21:51):
Model. Two xl. Yeah.

Ron Richards (01:21:53):
Two xl. Yeah.

Jason Howell (01:21:54):
Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>. I

Ron Richards (01:21:57):
Feel like that was a moment in time.

Jason Howell (01:21:58):
Yeah. Six inch ole display. Yeah, so the two is the xl. I don't know. I mean I've had every, every pixel and I'm, I loved the one, like, I remember, I remember when they announced it and looking at it and just being like, finally this is like, this is my phone. Like, it

Huyen Tue Dao (01:22:19):
Was very exciting.

Jason Howell (01:22:20):
It was very exciting. Yeah. And and I feel like it delivered. Like it was just, it's just a nice, like I'm holding it here. I'm like, this is a nice flipping phone. Even.

Ron Richards (01:22:31):
It's not a flipping phone, Jason.

Jason Howell (01:22:32):
No, you're right. It'ss not a ball, but it's a flipping phone.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:22:35):
Oh. Hey, look at that hole on the top.

Jason Howell (01:22:37):
Oh yeah. It's got a headphone. Oh, a courage port. What's that courage port? We are in the u s BBC era, by the way,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:22:45):
I think this was after the eu made that ruling.

Jason Howell (01:22:48):
Oh, is it? Was it? Wow. Did they make that ruling that early camera, I mean on this a single camera, but it was a single great camera. You look

Huyen Tue Dao (01:22:57):
How small that is compared. Oh, I know. It's tiny. Tiny to the pixel now that has those giant lenses. Look

Jason Howell (01:23:02):
At that. Look at the lenses. Like a pinhole.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:23:04):
Look at the, they put on the back of phones now. Like, come on,

Jason Howell (01:23:08):
<Laugh>. But how much of that is the lens versus like the, you know what I mean, like that?

Huyen Tue Dao (01:23:14):
Please don't mind how dirty this is. It's very well, they're all

Jason Howell (01:23:16):
Dirty. Well loved <laugh>. This table's full of fingerprints. Alright, so then it sounds like pixel one, I mean, unless we can make a case for any of the other devices, but I think the, the one started, yeah,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:23:27):
The one started it all.

Jason Howell (01:23:28):
Google's hardware. There, there

Huyen Tue Dao (01:23:30):
Was a Pixel xl, I think I might be looking wrong. Was like, there

Huyen Tue Dao (01:23:34):
Sounds, wasn't it this one?

Jason Howell (01:23:36):
Oh, this might be a Pixel.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:23:37):
This one was the Pixel xl. Yeah,

Jason Howell (01:23:38):
Pixel X.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:23:39):
There was a Pixel xl and it, it was the first, it was the first made by Google. So that's also noteworthy when they kind of mm-hmm. <Affirmative> using their own phone. So yeah. Yeah. There was both

Jason Howell (01:23:48):
12.3 megapixel camera. Yeah. Okay. All right. All right. I'm, I'm game for that. So that's a yes. Okay. We talked a lot about the A series in the past and then again, do you have

Huyen Tue Dao (01:24:05):

Jason Howell (01:24:05):
The question? Oh, I don't think I do. No, I don't have any series.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:24:09):
Because you got the pretty purple one.

Jason Howell (01:24:11):

Huyen Tue Dao (01:24:12):
Purple one. We both, we both got ours at Google io.

Jason Howell (01:24:16):
I got the pretty purple one. Yes. I don't remember the

Huyen Tue Dao (01:24:19):
Pretty purple. Or maybe I got the pretty purple one. <Laugh>

Jason Howell (01:24:21):
Purple. Pretty

Huyen Tue Dao (01:24:23):
Purple pixel.

Jason Howell (01:24:25):
Pretty purple pixel for a or or three A like which, which is the right one? I don't know. Oh,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:24:31):
Was it, it was three A. Three A was the one that

Jason Howell (01:24:33):
Was three A was the launch one.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:24:34):
That was the, the pretty one. Oh, the pretty purple one with the,

Jason Howell (01:24:37):
Like mine had mine. Mine was white with an orange Accent.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:24:40):
Accent. Oh, they gave you that one.

Jason Howell (01:24:41):
Yeah, they gave me that one. So was is that the right one? The three A or the four A? It's the three A. The, I mean the, the first was the first one. Three A was the first one. But was the four A the one that made the difference? I mean was the four A better? Yeah, I don't know. Between these two, I almost feel like, you know, the four A was 2020. The three A was 2019. I'm assuming I didn't write that down. It was

Huyen Tue Dao (01:25:02):

Jason Howell (01:25:03):
You know, we're getting so close that it's kind of hard to have like the distance of time to make the, well

Huyen Tue Dao (01:25:09):
I feel like the three, the three A should go into the Hall of Fame though, because that was the first a series that showed us what Google was gonna do with this phone line that it was working on.

Jason Howell (01:25:21):
See quippy Quentin Discord says you got it right. The four A convinced me to buy in. See, that's why I think the three A was a novelty. The four A was cemented it. That's kinda my thought. Yeah. I mean the three A was great phone. I still, yeah, I, I have it and it was great for a was, yeah, I don't know. My memory is is foggy on this? Did you have any of the A series when

Huyen Tue Dao (01:25:46):
No, I didn't. My husband bought them for his mom, I think. But no, we

Jason Howell (01:25:51):
Kind of, right. They were, they were great. Missed buys for like, parent needs a phone. It's like, I need a phone. What should I get? I'll get the A series. You'll be fine. It takes great pictures. Well, you don't have to spend a lot for it.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:26:02):
Yes. And now they're the phones for the person who wants to be online, but not really online.

Jason Howell (01:26:08):
Not like too online. Yeah. Mm-hmm. That's

Huyen Tue Dao (01:26:12):
What I've learned anyway. Like the people who ask me if they should get the A series, it's cuz they don't wanna spend a lot of money

Jason Howell (01:26:17):
Because Ja says, I thought the foray had a bunch of problems.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:26:22):
Oh yeah. Plus the four A four A 5G, 5G

Jason Howell (01:26:25):
Confusion. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Okay. Then through that lens then. So maybe it's

Ron Richards (01:26:27):
A three A maybe it's a three

Jason Howell (01:26:29):
A's a. Okay. All right. Do we feel

Huyen Tue Dao (01:26:32):
It came in purple? Do we feel

Jason Howell (01:26:33):

Ron Richards (01:26:33):
I feel like an A an A should be in there for sure. So it, it's A three A. Yeah.

Jason Howell (01:26:37):
It has made the, I knew it

Ron Richards (01:26:38):
Wasn't the five A, right? The five A was not good.

Jason Howell (01:26:40):
No, it was definitely not. The five A five A

Ron Richards (01:26:42):
Is not six a six A is too recent. So Yeah,

Jason Howell (01:26:44):
So. Right. Right. Exactly. Well, and then finally, where, where are we right now? We're at Samsung's foldables. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And when we thought about that, we were like, okay, so these are game changers. So they kind of qualify you know, for the, the criteria that you spelled out Ron and that I spent out, you know game changer, momentum changer. Still not, I wouldn't say foldables are ubiquitous at this point. No, not

Ron Richards (01:27:08):
At all. They're getting there. You know,

Jason Howell (01:27:09):
They're there. History will, will tell the tale 10 years from now with whatever, you know, Android, three years around

Huyen Tue Dao (01:27:16):
From now.

Jason Howell (01:27:17):

Huyen Tue Dao (01:27:17):
Maybe three years. Let's give it three years.

Jason Howell (01:27:20):
But if we had, but we had the, I feel like we have to acknowledge that, that Samsung's foldables are excellent examples of this trend. They did it the best, the earliest. There were a lot of, there were other foldables, but they weren't as good as what Samsung was doing.

Ron Richards (01:27:34):
The argue, the argument I would make about the Samsung foldables is that they, especially we specified here the Samsung Z flip three,

Jason Howell (01:27:41):
That was the one that could landed on Yeah.

Ron Richards (01:27:43):
We landed on the Samsung Z flip three is the nominee because it's the best selling of the, of the flip in the fold or say what you will about the f the format. But in terms of resonating with customers, you know, they sold, you know, upwards of 10 million or whatever they're moving units on this. But the efforts by Samsung with the Z series took foldables from a proof of concept novelty to actually something that was resonating and is common in carrier stores and is an option for people to buy for phones. And once they started seeing these phones on tv, like being used like in narrative shows, I was like, okay, it's it's landing, it's working.

Jason Howell (01:28:19):
And the z flip was the first $999 sub thousand dollars foldable device. Yeah. Yep. Major foldable device. So that goes a long way to, you know, and it was the highest selling Samsung vulnerable from my understanding was the Z flip three. So,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:28:36):
Well it's, you know, a lot less than an $1,800.

Jason Howell (01:28:40):
Well, precisely that, like technologically speaking the Z fold is pretty impressive. But still, you know, still kind of feels like that device that appeals to a certain group of people that have a ton of money, that have very specific needs. Yeah. I know you love yours when I know you have loved yours. Love

Huyen Tue Dao (01:28:58):

Jason Howell (01:29:00):
Great. I do

Huyen Tue Dao (01:29:01):
Agree in the Yeah,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:29:02):
I do agree in the z z flip three, I think it's the one that is, is the most accessible. And I think Samsung has definitely, I mean so many people have copied the flip or taken, you know, sorry, inspiration from the flip like Motorola

Huyen Tue Dao (01:29:14):

Huyen Tue Dao (01:29:14):
Yeah. Is is the Motorola Razor Plus is what it is because, because of the Z flip three, because of the success of Z Flip three, because Motorola started with their weird call back to the old razor phone, and then they saw what actually was selling and now they've leapfrogged over Samsung it seems like, in terms of design. So I would definitely give the z f three credit for that because I mean everything like they, they, they, they demonstrated that that this form factor is what people want. People will buy it. And now everybody is doing flip flippable just with their own little take on

Jason Howell (01:29:41):
Flippable. Totally flippable. All right. So it sounds like that's in,

Ron Richards (01:29:46):
And I will say we were, we, I was bullish on foldables years ago. We were saying that this is gonna be a thing and we joked and laughed about it and here we are, and sure enough, they are a thing. So they

Jason Howell (01:29:57):
Are a thing. They continue to be a thing.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:29:59):
How am I gonna afford a fold?

Jason Howell (01:30:04):
Well, I it's

Huyen Tue Dao (01:30:04):
As much as a laptop.

Jason Howell (01:30:06):

Huyen Tue Dao (01:30:06):
I, and the one I want, like, I would not money a fold and I wouldn't want want the minimum. I wouldn't want the minimum.

Jason Howell (01:30:14):
What do you mean by that?

Huyen Tue Dao (01:30:15):
Like the minimum storage space I would have to buy Tear up. You would tear up. So I have to spend at least $2,000.

Jason Howell (01:30:22):
Yeah. I'm not, I'm not spending 2000 laptop, which is a

Huyen Tue Dao (01:30:24):

Jason Howell (01:30:25):
I'm not, I am fine.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:30:27):
But it's really hard's really hard without it once you're very used to it,

Jason Howell (01:30:34):
The fold. Yes,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:30:36):

Jason Howell (01:30:37):
Yes. I guess just don't get used to it.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:30:39):
Well, I'm, I'm ruined. I've been spoiled.

Jason Howell (01:30:42):
<Laugh>, you've been, it's like, it's like when the displays got, you know, high def and everything and then once your eyes got used to the high desk. Yeah. I remember looking at my display, my first few high def displays. Yeah. And seeing the little avatars, unlike Twitter or something like that, and going, it looks like little windows. Like I'm looking through a window and seeing a face there. It's not, those aren't pixels. That's, those are windows. Yeah. And once you do that, you can't go back. It's like, you know, the refresh rate We're our eyes are there again.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:31:11):
Oh my goodness. It's so true.

Jason Howell (01:31:14):
Okay. We have gone super long.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:31:16):
We are, we have.

Jason Howell (01:31:17):
We sure have, but we still have some stuff to talk about. But I think that was a damn fine Hall of Fame hardware. Yep. That

Huyen Tue Dao (01:31:26):

Jason Howell (01:31:27):
That was fun. That was

Huyen Tue Dao (01:31:28):
Covered. Everything

Jason Howell (01:31:30):
That, that was worth all the pop and circumstance that was worth all the buildup years worth of buildup up saying we were gonna do it eventually. And dammit we did. We did

Huyen Tue Dao (01:31:38):
<Laugh>. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>.

Jason Howell (01:31:40):
Very, very nice. All right.

Ron Richards (01:31:43):
We, before we, before we go into the next one, and I'm, I'm sorry Victor to, to get it, but I feel like we should, and I should have said this earlier, Victor, do you even have access to an old arena bumper?

Jason Howell (01:31:54):
Oh, I don't know

Huyen Tue Dao (01:31:56):

Jason Howell (01:31:58):
Cause yeah, I didn't think about that because the

Ron Richards (01:32:00):
Tri, so many enter the

Jason Howell (01:32:01):
Tricaster has gone through many iterations and data has dropped off in the, in the right, in the scope of

Ron Richards (01:32:08):
It all. So, well for those longtime listeners, longtime listeners, pretend it was the arena bumper.

Jason Howell (01:32:13):
Yeah, that's, yeah. I wish I had thought of that, but that's okay. It's okay. It's okay.

Ron Richards (01:32:18):
So many enter.

Jason Howell (01:32:19):
Yes. Okay, so we'll win. We're we're not gonna do this nearly the justice it deserves cuz we don't have enough time to do that. No, and and let's be honest, we we were, we looked at a ton and a ton I feel like is a small number compared to what we actually looked at apps in the arena. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> talked about on the shows. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> subject, you know, app subjects that came up repeatedly is like, oh, this app is, you know, in a million different stories that we talk about. So when I was like, thinking of this, I was like, what are the apps that really stood the test of time that, you know, over the course of the, the show we kept talking about or you know, something along those lines. Do we just kinda list these? I feel, I don't feel like we have to go into detail Yeah. On every single one like we did with hardware.

Ron Richards (01:33:01):
Yeah. Yeah. I I mean it's the, the same, the same criteria applied in that it was apps that, you know, that changed the, that either changed the game or became must have, you know, can't live without 'em. That's kind of what it did so, so

Speaker 5 (01:33:14):
Many times. Oh

Jason Howell (01:33:15):

Speaker 5 (01:33:16):
Oh yeah. Andrew. Yeah. Okay.

Jason Howell (01:33:22):
Now Victor, one more hoop to jump through. That was amazing. It's been so long. One more hoop to jump through in the Discord. Patrick posted the 2013 version of the Android Arena bumper. Is it possible to channel the Discord in, if it's not possible, don't worry about it, but if it is

Ron Richards (01:33:41):
Possible you still post it in chat? Yeah. Wait, here I have it. Oh

Jason Howell (01:33:45):
Yeah, we can just do that. Post it

Ron Richards (01:33:46):
In chat. I dropped it into Slack. There you go. Okay. You got it in Slack. Now

Jason Howell (01:33:49):
I didn't even think about that. Just cuz I'm, I'm super curious. Patrick has been Can you put it in the doc? Yes.

Ron Richards (01:33:56):
Yeah, I'll put it in the doc. Yep. Yep. I got you. I got

Jason Howell (01:33:58):
You. Ron's got you. He's putting it right next to pull push bullet. Sorry, audio and video listeners. But I, I'm really curious. Last,

Ron Richards (01:34:06):
What are you gonna do? What are, what are you gonna do not subscribe anymore. Come on, <laugh>.

Jason Howell (01:34:10):
Where are you gonna go? Huh? You're gonna stick around? Yeah, I know you're gonna stick around. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> <laugh>. You're gonna take every last second we give you. Okay. I think we're almost there. Sorry. Victor 635 shows painful 635 plus Oh,

Speaker 5 (01:34:27):
Mini enter <laugh>, but only one lives Android. Oh. Oh wow. Satisfy seen that one.

Jason Howell (01:34:37):
That was so satisfying. I've

Speaker 5 (01:34:39):
Actually never seen that one.

Jason Howell (01:34:41):
I forgot

Ron Richards (01:34:41):
That was back in the day. That

Jason Howell (01:34:42):
Was back in the day. That was really satisfying. Thank you. <Laugh>.

Ron Richards (01:34:47):
The rolling of the R in arena was really what had

Speaker 5 (01:34:51):

Jason Howell (01:34:53):
<Laugh>. Oh my goodness. That was so great. Okay, so now we've got that, I've got like a permanent smile on my face. Okay, so I put in Push Bullet. Yes. I feel like we talked about that a heck of a lot of time Pocket Cast has had longevity. I mean that has, you're still

Huyen Tue Dao (01:35:09):
Using it.

Jason Howell (01:35:10):
Yeah. Still using it. It's, it's my podcast app. Google Maps, just because I don't know how many times on the show I've said it's one of my favorite first time we apps of all

Huyen Tue Dao (01:35:18):
Time we had drive navigation available Yeah. Was because of that app. Yep. That's before the iPhone.

Jason Howell (01:35:23):
That's such a neat app. Iphone, <inaudible>. I mean they, they've, they've put a lot of extra stuff in there that I don't use, but it's core functionality has continued to improve

Huyen Tue Dao (01:35:32):
And I love the reviews. They help me eat places.

Jason Howell (01:35:34):
Yeah. I mean, sometimes, sometimes it feels a little cluttered in the app compared to Yeah. You know, for what I use it for. But, but I I appreciate that that stuff's there. Yeah. swift Key I put in there, because you remember back in the day the, the swipe typing thing? No, it was

Huyen Tue Dao (01:35:49):
Always typing wars.

Jason Howell (01:35:50):
Yeah. It laid,

Ron Richards (01:35:51):
It laid the, it laid the path for keyboard. I mean, honestly like sw like one, once Swift Key gave the, the, the reality of an alternate keyboard. And made, I mean, made Google step it up and do keyboard. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> know hundred percent this.

Jason Howell (01:36:04):
Yeah. Who was there first Swift key or swipe because it was between those two at the time.

Ron Richards (01:36:08):
I think Swipe was first.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:36:09):
Swipe was first. I think

Jason Howell (01:36:10):
Swipe was

Huyen Tue Dao (01:36:11):
First and they were included on Samsung phones.

Jason Howell (01:36:14):
Yes. that's right. That's right. They were the default kind of thought that swipe was gonna be the, the runaway hit cuz they had all the market. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> and, and maybe they were, but swift Queue was the one that, that worked for me.

Ron Richards (01:36:26):
Swipe initial release September 2nd, 2009.

Jason Howell (01:36:32):
Oh wow. Earlier than I thought it would be.

Ron Richards (01:36:35):
And Swift Key. There's

Huyen Tue Dao (01:36:36):
A lot going on in my life that year. <Laugh>,

Ron Richards (01:36:39):
Let's see, swift Key Wiki, Microsoft Swift Key initial release July, 2010.

Jason Howell (01:36:46):
Okay. So little than Yep. Yep, yep. Interesting. 2009 for swipe. I would never have guessed that. But what a great kind of like, addition to smartphone typing, because oh my god, sometimes tap a touch typing on a touch screen, especially on phones that don't do it well. It's a nightmare. Yeah. Hate it. I put Google now in here. I realize it's not like an app that you download necessarily, or was it, but it was, it was app like, and it was very, it

Ron Richards (01:37:16):
Was, yeah,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:37:17):
It is. It was a changer what Google, the Google feed is now.

Jason Howell (01:37:20):
Yeah. Oh, totally. It's evolved and it's, it's Google Feed now.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:37:24):
That was the beginning of it for us,

Jason Howell (01:37:25):
But it was more kinda like built into Android as opposed to being an app that you go to the play store to download. True. I think. True. Yep. If my memory is correct. But regardless, I put it in there. Well, they had a widget.

Ron Richards (01:37:35):
I, I put in, I just, I did an audible and I added the next one. Cuz Jason, I feel like we couldn't not talk about the last 12 years of that acknowledging like we talked about during one plus with Cyanogen Mod or any of the litany of ROMs that you installed in your phones from 2008

Jason Howell (01:37:49):

Ron Richards (01:37:50):
Like, like when did you stop? Like 20, 15, 16. Like the pixels. Was that around then?

Jason Howell (01:37:55):
Oh, for sure. By the pixels.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:37:57):
You stopped. You stopped by the time I came on the show.

Jason Howell (01:38:00):
Yeah. I wasn't really

Huyen Tue Dao (01:38:01):
Doing it much. It was after you dropped that Nexus six

Jason Howell (01:38:05):

Ron Richards (01:38:05):
Oh, the next. That was the best when you dropped that Nexus six. Yeah. I mean,

Jason Howell (01:38:09):
I don't have one that I dropped, but I have this one. Yeah. And it actually powered, but

Ron Richards (01:38:13):
But Ja, Jason, you every week would be like, what mod does Jason got? Like, yeah. So it was that, that was a fun one.

Jason Howell (01:38:19):
Look at that Cho. The next is six. What a chunker of a phone. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. It was, yeah. I love, I actually loved this, this, this phone was ridiculed by many, but I actually, it was, it was a fun game. Or sorry, a phone quote to me.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:38:32):
I love it, but I sprained my thumb on it. What?

Jason Howell (01:38:35):
Why? Because it's so wide. Because it's so big. It's so big. Yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:38:38):
It's so big. I sprained my thumb. Not like, not even a joke. I, I literally like pulled my thumb. Oh my gosh. Oh

Jason Howell (01:38:43):
My goodness. That's so crazy. Wow. Mm-hmm. <Affirmative> props to you sacrificing your thumb for phones. <Laugh> tasker, hands down. Gotta be in there. Still around. Still around. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> still around. That was, that was the phone. The app that put customization into the palm of your hands. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> in a way that other apps just didn't do. And it was, it was almost like it was a playground. It was like, what is your imagination? Build it. Mm-Hmm.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:39:10):
<Affirmative>. Yeah. And you still can,

Jason Howell (01:39:13):
You still can SMS backup

Ron Richards (01:39:16):
This? I put this one in because this is an app that I still use to this day. Yep, yep. And still looks like it was coded in 2010 when it came out. And the idea that you could back up your SMS messages, me messages was mind blowing. And the fact that I still use it is a testament to this app. So

Jason Howell (01:39:32):
Yeah. It, you're not alone disco.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:39:34):
It's the only way to back it up without going directly to your Google account. And the nice thing is you can back it up like I back mine up to Dropbox

Ron Richards (01:39:42):
To different places. Right, right. Exactly. Yeah. So, yeah.

Jason Howell (01:39:44):
Yep. Yeah. And, and Google's back up by the way. Doesn't always

Huyen Tue Dao (01:39:47):
Work. No, it doesn't.

Jason Howell (01:39:48):
I, and I know only know this because I set up so many damn phones. Yeah. It's

Huyen Tue Dao (01:39:52):
Kind of piecemeal actually.

Jason Howell (01:39:53):
Sometimes it pulls stuff in. Yeah. Or it backs it up and sometimes it doesn't. And then I'm like,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:39:57):
Whoa. Cause it depends on developer. The developer has to like, enable the thing in the back. Well, yeah. Yeah. But SMS back up. No, it's all about backing up that sms

Jason Howell (01:40:04):
Back, back, back, back. That SMS up back, back

Ron Richards (01:40:07):
Up, back that, up back. That

Jason Howell (01:40:09):
Sms up back, that SMS up <laugh>. I, I don't know if we ever came up with that in, in shows past, but that's a pretty awesome, that's pretty funny thing tied to that. Okay. What? Well, WhatsApp.

Ron Richards (01:40:23):
Whatsapp. I, I mean, just, I think it's

Jason Howell (01:40:24):

Ron Richards (01:40:25):
It's important you use an alternative to messaging and like, lord knows we, no one wants to go down the messaging rabbit hole here on our last show, but but I think what WhatsApp emerged, you know, pre meta acquisition.

Jason Howell (01:40:38):
Right. I think that's important to mention. Yeah. Me WhatsApp was, was a force far, you know, before

Huyen Tue Dao (01:40:46):
PM pre-med Meta

Jason Howell (01:40:47):
Slash Facebook got involved. Yeah.

Ron Richards (01:40:48):
Pre-Me. Yep.

Jason Howell (01:40:51):
Pocket. Oh, I, oh yeah, that's right. I put that in there. I was like, oh, wow. I'm surprised. No, I put that in there. Pocket

Huyen Tue Dao (01:40:57):
Was, pocket was big because of iOS though,

Jason Howell (01:41:00):
Was it? Yeah. I mean, I, I still use

Huyen Tue Dao (01:41:02):
It. So the iPhone, the iPhone users really were like, look at this app where you can clip things.

Jason Howell (01:41:07):
<Laugh>. Well, and it worked for Andrew. It works. Yeah. I

Ron Richards (01:41:11):
Remember. I remember it being as big of a deal when it came out. Yeah. Where he, I wanna, yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:41:15):
I will say the, one of the, the one of the staff engineers on Pocket is a very good friend of mine, merchant. He's a lovely guy. He's been working there seven years and I still love the app.

Jason Howell (01:41:23):
Yeah. I still use it. I've used it for, for, for producing this show for, I don't know, as long, probably as long as we've been talking about it, it's been my tool. Yeah. Like I read an article. Oh yeah. Mark it. And pretty much everything in Pocket, if I, everything in Pocket that doesn't have a tag is for this show.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:41:40):
Ah, interesting.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:41:41):
Yeah. Okay. Nice.

Jason Howell (01:41:42):
Everything in Pocket that has a tag is for any, anything else. Interesting. But if it doesn't have a tag at all, it's for this show. I

Huyen Tue Dao (01:41:47):
Had to stop using Pocket because I kept, I have such a backlog on there and I was like,

Jason Howell (01:41:52):
Oh yeah, I have tons.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:41:53):
Do you know what I do now? Do you know what I do now? What? I go into Chrome and I send to my device. I send it to the fold. So when I'm ready to sit down and read, I have all of the articles that I wanted to read earlier in the day ready for me on

Jason Howell (01:42:10):
My phone and it in Chrome or? Yeah, it just

Huyen Tue Dao (01:42:11):
Sends to your device in Chrome. Oh, that's neat. It opens it in Chrome.

Jason Howell (01:42:14):
Oh, I like that. Yeah. That's really nice. That's a cool way to do that. Play music. I mean,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:42:20):
Rest in peace. Yeah.

Jason Howell (01:42:22):
You know, rest. Don't get me

Ron Richards (01:42:23):
Started. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>.

Jason Howell (01:42:24):
Yeah. Maybe that's all we need to say. Play music. You

Ron Richards (01:42:28):
Want it back? Oh God. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. I gotta tell YouTube music over the weekend. I had a barbecue on Father's Day. Oh. And I just did a song that said Start radio and it is the most garbage selection of songs. Like, like, I don't know what signals they're using to drive those auto playlists, but they're just like, it just plays the same. Like, you like a song once, it's always gonna come up in your radio. Whether it's it's genre sufficient or not. Like I did a, I think I did like a Sam Cook song and no joke within 20 songs that played David Bowie. I'm like, how do you get from Sam Cook to David Bowie? Really? Like, oh yeah. Yeah. That was not the vibe I was going for. So

Huyen Tue Dao (01:43:01):
We, we had to pick the music service for the Pixel tablet setting up and we very begrudgingly picked YouTube music cuz all of the other ones we just didn't have like Spotify or whatever else. Like by default, that's pretty much how I feel about YouTube music or by default.

Jason Howell (01:43:16):
Wow. Well, I've been using Spotify for a while and I hate to say it, but it's been pretty All right. So I guess you play music. There's that. I

Huyen Tue Dao (01:43:24):
Just don't listen to music.

Jason Howell (01:43:26):
Oh, well that's another solution. Well,

Ron Richards (01:43:28):
You're not working so

Jason Howell (01:43:29):

Huyen Tue Dao (01:43:30):
Not working, not listening.

Jason Howell (01:43:32):
Should Google Plus be in there? <Laugh>? It was kinda laughing put that, but it was a big part of the show and it was important

Huyen Tue Dao (01:43:40):
Lot. You know what's really funny is that on my, in my Gmail contacts or just in my general contacts, everybody's picture is still the same as the one that they put initially on Google back in the day.

Jason Howell (01:43:52):
Yes, totally. Totally. Yes.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:43:54):
Nobody's changed that icon since then. And you can do that, folks. You can go to Gmail and change it, by the way. You can go to Google profile and change it, but nobody's changed it.

Jason Howell (01:44:04):
Nobody Yeah. Since then to do it. Thanks to do it. Some They're

Huyen Tue Dao (01:44:07):
Really low res too. Yeah, they So they're all so low res. Exactly. They don't even get very big.

Jason Howell (01:44:11):

Huyen Tue Dao (01:44:12):

Jason Howell (01:44:13):
Anyways, I'm sure there's plenty more, but we don't have the time for it.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:44:17):
And no, we really don't, unfortunately.

Jason Howell (01:44:19):
There we go. That's, I think that's a good, good abbreviated selection. So that's the Hall of Fame of apps. A lot less pop of circumstance than the hardware. But that's the Hall of Fame in general. That was super satisfying, super enjoyable for the last episode of this show.

Ron Richards (01:44:36):
And so, so listen, this might be the last episode of the show, but the Hall of Fame will live on forever. Jason, I'm flying out to California. We're gonna look at that space that I found that commercial real estate I found in San Francisco. Okay. We're gonna build, we're gonna build this hall of fame and everyone will be invited. We'll have a great opening party and it'll be fantastic. A really good use of money. So build

Huyen Tue Dao (01:44:54):
It in the suburbs.

Ron Richards (01:44:56):

Huyen Tue Dao (01:44:56):
A little cheaper. <Laugh>. Let's talk about this.

Jason Howell (01:44:59):
Off care. No, south of market, south of Market. That's where we're going for South.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:45:02):
Where, I mean, there's a lot of open retail. There's

Jason Howell (01:45:05):
A lot of open. Yeah, there's a lot

Ron Richards (01:45:06):
Of, I hear there's a great spot on Market Street. There used to be a mall, but like, there's a lot of space there. <Laugh>. The whole old Westfield

Huyen Tue Dao (01:45:12):
Westfield Mall is, will just be an eighth story homage to the

Ron Richards (01:45:16):

Huyen Tue Dao (01:45:17):
Iation of Androids.

Jason Howell (01:45:17):
See, there we go. There we go.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:45:19):
We can have dioramas.

Ron Richards (01:45:21):
We've got, we've got Andy Rubbin and Carbonite. That's great. It's gonna be excellent. No, it's actually him <laugh>.

Jason Howell (01:45:28):
He's actually frozen in Carbonite. Yeah. <laugh>. Oh boy. And then when anybody walks in the door, you just hear. Yes. Oh, they open the door. That's instead of like a ding or whatever. It's that. Oh, that would be amazing. Love it. Great stuff, Victor. All right. So we've reached the end of this episode of all about Android and I think Patrick Delehanty helped me out prior to, you know, leading up to this episode with some stats. And I kind of like went, you know, also kind of dug into a few things. Just little funny things that we can throw in there. Okay. It's like a little time capsule. Our first episode, March 28th, 2011. It was episode one. We did have some, you know, pre, pre-launch episodes mm-hmm. <Affirmative> that you can find on YouTube still, if you look for those, you'll find those betas, those alpha and beta episodes that are super cringy. But they're there Average episode time across the entirety of the show. One hour, 33 minutes, 26 seconds, which when I saw that, I was like, bang on. Because I've always thought somewhere between one 15 to one and a half is about the perfect amount of time for this show today. We are pulling that on the water, but there

Ron Richards (01:46:37):
You go. But, but Jason no, you're right. Cause we always said one 15 and one 30, and the average is 1 33, which means that we went over

Huyen Tue Dao (01:46:43):

Jason Howell (01:46:46):

Huyen Tue Dao (01:46:46):
It's true.

Jason Howell (01:46:48):
That's a good point. You do. All right. So how much time, if you've watched all of our episodes, just, just counting official episodes, how much time have you spent of your life watching or listening to this show? 41 days. One hour, 41 minutes and 33 seconds. We will fill an entire calendar month and then it's some's amazing. Then some mm-hmm. <Affirmative> month and a half of all about Android. If you, it's more

Huyen Tue Dao (01:47:13):
Than 9 0 2. Oh,

Jason Howell (01:47:15):
Wow. We've got that going for us. It's

Huyen Tue Dao (01:47:17):
Actually, we, we actually have twice the amount of episodes that 9 0 2 oh had almost three times almost.

Jason Howell (01:47:21):

Ron Richards (01:47:23):
Much less production costs, much less.

Jason Howell (01:47:26):
<Laugh>. Patrick does point out Discord plus add however long this episode is. So, you know, add another five hours to that <laugh>. He linked me to the Arena stats.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:47:38):
Yeah, that's right.

Jason Howell (01:47:39):
So there was a page on the twit site that existed mm-hmm. <Affirmative> before doesn't exist anymore, but just some notable stats. The first arena was March 28th, 2011. Oh. Way back machine. Total apps ever in the arena. 1,721. Yep. Yep.

Ron Richards (01:47:54):
Impress, do you remember the impressive, do you remember the year of the, the year of the guests, Jason? When the guests won in 20. In 20 what was it, 2017 or 2018?

Jason Howell (01:48:02):
Yeah. I mean, there was a year for all of us when, you know. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, if you look through, there was a year that, you know, flow won in 2020. I did. Flow won in 2019. Flow won a

Ron Richards (01:48:13):
Lot. Flow won a

Jason Howell (01:48:14):
Lot. Guest won in 2018. Okay.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:48:17):
Yeah. That was the guest year.

Jason Howell (01:48:18):
So flow one in 20, geez. Flow, quit winning. Flow, flow.

Ron Richards (01:48:21):
Had a good run. Flo had a really good run. Yeah. Once, once we moved to the scoring system, Flo really, really

Ron Richards (01:48:27):
Yeah. In there. But Precor system, we all had our, we all had our moments sick. Yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:48:32):
Ooh. I will say that I guessed twice in 2018. So I can represent the guests of

Huyen Tue Dao (01:48:36):

Jason Howell (01:48:37):
Yep. Yeah. As you're part of the, the winning, the winning group of, of 2018, what are the winning group? Yeah. I wonder what app you brought in. But I'm not gonna look into it. 2016 looked like all guests 18 wins. Okay. So all guests won in 20 18, 20 17. I won, or sorry, 2015. Okay. I'm getting my numbers wrong. 2016, August, 2015. I won 2014. Ron won 2013. Gina won 2012. Oh, I won again in 2011. Eileen. So we all G Wow.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:49:13):
Everybody. Yeah. Everybody

Jason Howell (01:49:15):
Had a winning year. Everybody had a winning year win. I'm, I'm sure. Well, yeah, I was gonna say, I'm sure you would have a

Huyen Tue Dao (01:49:20):
Win year. Yeah. When you, you had,

Jason Howell (01:49:21):
As part of the guest, you were part of the guest. So part of the guest, 2018, yay. We all get a ribbon. <Laugh> <laugh>, total number of flavors of, there we go. We all get that song. Total Flavors of Oreos that we sampled over the course of a year. Oh my God. 51.

Ron Richards (01:49:38):
That's what's amazing. I think the 51 Oreo flavors, these is, is our moment in time. So

Jason Howell (01:49:43):
<Laugh>, that's the thing that we could Yeah. We could be super proud of. You know, I still buy Oreos at the grocery

Ron Richards (01:49:49):
Store. No, it was great. You know why that

Jason Howell (01:49:50):
Worked? Because I still buy Oreos. Do you? I did not, not very

Ron Richards (01:49:52):
Much. I still look, I stop and I stop and look at the flavors in the storage and think about it. But the reason why that worked, why that worked so well and was so much fun and went on for more than a went on for a year was the fact that not only did it make us laugh, but it pissed so many people

Jason Howell (01:50:08):
Off. Yeah. It really did. Like super luck.

Ron Richards (01:50:09):
I was, God, I was going through the reviews of the reviews of the show on different things, and there were people complaining at the time, like, why am I listening to a show about Android? And they're talking about Oreo flavors. Like, oh, it was great. What a

Jason Howell (01:50:20):
Good thing you Ben <laugh>. Yeah. So that's how you keep the podcast around for 13 years, you're piss off your fans. Yes. I mean, I mean, let's talk about how that works. That's funny. Works for a lot of people though. The guest with the most appearances.

Ron Richards (01:50:38):
Not a surprise here.

Jason Howell (01:50:39):
Yeah. Not gonna, not gonna be too surprised to hear it, but Mateo, Donny wins. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> guested with the most appearances. 31 episodes. I was kind of surprised by the second place, only because it's been, because there was an era and that era has was a long time ago. Yeah. And that's Aaron Newcomb. Yeah. early episodes Aaron was on 28 times. 28 times. That's a lot of episodes. That's

Ron Richards (01:51:04):
Yeah. We he was a go-to for a while.

Jason Howell (01:51:06):
Yeah, totally. He was, and he's an awesome guy. I remember aa Ron was his, was his nickname. And yeah. Anyways big thank you to Patrick Delehanty for pulling those those stats and also being such a, a huge fan of the show to do so. We've heard from a lot of people here who are bummed about the show going away. And you know, I think, I think I can speak for all of us and say that I'm, I'm pretty bummed as well, but you know what, like nothing lasts forever and we've got other things to look forward to. We'll get to that in a moment. I do wanna thank the folks who aren't here, but who helped this show be what it is and what it has been. Eileen Rivera, of course, she co-founded the show with Ron and I back when we were at the cottage. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And I would say that Eileen kind of filled the role of lead host of the show when she was Yep. On, she really drove the show from the beginning and, and kind of she

Ron Richards (01:52:03):
Was, she was in the middle chair, Jason. Yep. When we moved, when you moved over to Brick Out, right? Like it was, that was the, it was Eileen, you were to the left and I was to the right and then, and then Eileen Shagged out and you moved to the center chair and I stayed to your, to your, to up to the right stage. Right. But to your left, right where I am today.

Jason Howell (01:52:18):
And then you became a television, and

Ron Richards (01:52:20):
Then I became a tv. Yeah.

Jason Howell (01:52:21):
<Laugh>. Yeah. So big, you know, owe a lot of, of thanks and gratitude to Eileen because without her, I mean, she was really the driving force to start this show back then. She's like, what do you think about doing an Android show? She was the one that really helped, you know, to had the idea and we created it from there. So Eileen's awesome. Jean Trapani, of course not here. Michelle Roman, who was just on last week. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> Jr. Ray Feel, I mean, love the Contribu contributions of, of the three of them, it's just been, you know, each of them have brought their own kind of, their perspective, but their expertise. I mean, Gina was just so, such a, an important person coming from this week in Google. I remember when Gina was picked to come on the show, kind of being in disbelief that she would actually do it. Like, cuz I was like, wait a minute, agreed. Gina's gonna do our show, like our Little Land Android show, she's gonna do it.

Ron Richards (01:53:14):
I mean, she was like a celebrity. It was like, yeah, yeah. Oh, she's the

Jason Howell (01:53:18):
Best. It was great having her on. Same with Michelle, who's just brilliant mind in the, in the realm of Android. We were, you know, just delighted to be able to get him on more regularly. And then JR Ray Feel who has always been one of my favorite guests back from, back in the day, his ability to join Diminished over the years family and other things, and then finding that we had this new way to bring him on made me very happy. <Laugh>. And I know that everybody else loved to hear the apps and stuff that he

Huyen Tue Dao (01:53:49):
Was, he's one of the last journalists with a Android column.

Jason Howell (01:53:54):
Oh, really? So

Huyen Tue Dao (01:53:55):
Fascinating. Y'all should keep on supporting him. Sign up for his newsletter.

Jason Howell (01:53:59):
Yeah. Android, intel do

Huyen Tue Dao (01:54:00):
Net. Yes. I I am on it. I'm on the, you know, the list. I get it every week. It's something I write every Friday. So thank you JR. For continuing to carry the

Jason Howell (01:54:08):
Torch Yes, indeed. For,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:54:10):
You know, the

Jason Howell (01:54:11):
Rest of us. Oh yeah. Thank you cousin John Mac and Josh also another TD that, that would help out along with Chad Johnson, Brian Burnett, you know, these are of course the folks who were behind the, the TD desk, who definitely, you know, that's another thing that I've, I've loved about this show is that we, we tend to kind of pull people into the orbit, even if they're sitting there at the desk doing their job. Like you, like you're doing Victor like Burke has done, you know in the last few years. It's like you're all part of, of the experience of the all about and Android experience. And it wouldn't be the same without you guys. So thank you to, to you Victor and Burke and everybody. It's always a blast. Yeah. It really has been. People who helped us with parts of the show that you know and love, but you might not know who they are. Jeff Cosmic.

Ron Richards (01:54:58):
Oh, Jeff. The best.

Jason Howell (01:54:59):
The segment bumpers that you've, that you've watched over the years. That's all because of a fan who, who, and I read the email the other day and he was like, Hey, I just threw this together. What, what do you think? You know, and me, and we ended up kind of like carving this relationship with this guy Jeff, who when we needed a, a bumper for the show, he was just kind of always there to like, do it for free. The best. I might ask a minute. Wait a minute, wait a minute. You just surprised us with it.

Ron Richards (01:55:22):
Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I, I, hang on. I got, I gotta hang on. Come on. Google Photos.

Jason Howell (01:55:28):
Oh, are you looking for the, for the,

Ron Richards (01:55:31):
I got it. All right. Wait, I'm putting it in the dock. I'm putting it in the dock now. This is all gonna happen. There you go. Put it there. Hopefully that works. Pull that, that up.

Jason Howell (01:55:42):
Hopefully it did. It Did you share in order to get the photo?

Ron Richards (01:55:45):
I think I

Jason Howell (01:55:46):
Did. Yeah. That's, that's, that's the

Ron Richards (01:55:48):
There it is. That is me and Jeff Cosmic in Brooklyn when I was at a show. That's right. And he came up to me and said, this was taken on my next bit Robin, by the way, on November 11th, 2016. And he said, Hey, Ron, I'm Jeff Cosmic. And I was like, where do I know that name? I was like, wait, what? Jeff? Kasick

Jason Howell (01:56:05):
<Laugh>. Oh, that, that's so crazy. That would take me my surprise too. He's the best. So yeah, he, he really did did some great work for our segment bumpers over the years. Stewart Boot, well, did the intro music. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> Russ Klut did our outro music. And I, and I call them out basically. I like, I'm amazed that we still have the same music intro and outro music. It all stemmed from our, from our pre-launch episodes where we put a call out to the people who are watching us streaming live and said, Hey, if you wanna do our music, like, we'll, we'll vote on our favorites or whatever. And we picked theirs. And that's been our music ever since. Yeah. This is the end of an era though. Yeah. Mm. It kind of feels that way. We're certainly making it seem that way by <laugh> Well, spending two hours talking about it. Yeah. <laugh>, we did have how many episodes? 635. That's a lot. I mean, I know that, I know that Leo is not a huge fan of, of drawing out end of end of series episodes like this. But I can't help that. I'm a very nosalgic person. I'm a very nostalgic person. And it sounds like we all kind of are too. We're on the same page. Before we kinda say goodbye. Wade County, Robert m, Mike b Joel, j Tony m they all helped with the arena and the app stock and the wade

Ron Richards (01:57:20):
With the, with the stats. Wade County every week stats you give us the who was Yeah. Oh man, Wade.

Jason Howell (01:57:25):
Yeah. Yep. Which is all to say that our fan, the fans of this show are, I don't wanna start crying. The, the fans of our show are really the reason, the, the big reason why I find so much satisfaction about doing this. You guys have given yourselves Yeah. In many ways to what we do. And again, like we said at the beginning of the show, out of this shared reverence and respect for Android and this thing that we all love together. So you guys are awesome. No, you are awesome. You're awesome. The fans are awesome.

Ron Richards (01:57:58):
And Jason, I'll, I'll, I'll chime in and quickly say, say my piece, which is, you know, we, we joke and laugh about doing this for 13 years or whatever, but I did the math. I've been doing this show for 28% of my life. Yeah,

Jason Howell (01:58:10):
I know, right? You put it in context like that. It's like, okay, this would be deal to us.

Ron Richards (01:58:14):
Yeah. So like, more than a quarter of my life has been spent next to you, next to Flow next to him, next to Gina, next to Eileen. All because I went to T-Mobile and bought that dumb G one phone. Yeah. Cause Eileen, cause Eileen and I were at Rev three and I did App Judgment at Rev three, and we were, I was the Android guy and all that sort of stuff. And so when you guys, when somebody called me mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, it, it has, it has been, it has been an immense honor and a pleasure to be a part of the Twit family. I've been, you know, a proud member of the Twit family, you know, for, you know, and, and bra. You know, it was something I could brag about to my friends, I will say. And, you know, not to get emotional stuff like that, but I was one of those nerds in the late nineties, early two thousands watching tech TV and watching Leo and idolizing Patrick Norton.

And, and you know, and seeing that whole world and seeing like the, oh wow. There's a community of people who make content that resonates with me, that this is the kind of stuff that I would like to do. And I've talked about it on the show in the past, but like, you know, having a podcast and having a show to go 635 episodes to go for 13 plus years is an immense feat that we should all be proud of. Yeah. And like, they're not many podcasters who can say that. And I'm just so thankful for Leo and Lisa and given us a given us a place, a a, a playground to play on and to, and to talk and, and the, the friendships that have been formed, I mean, my sister from another world flow and, you know Yeah. When getting to know you these past time, you know, even I still follow, you know, cranky Hippo on Instagram.

Yes. You stay in touch. You know, like, I, I see Chad every once in a while. Like the, the connections this show has given, at least me in the 28% of my life that I've been doing, it has been immensely valuable and it's been worth every minute. And I just can't, you know, I can't, I can't say more about how important this has been to me. Yeah. About how, and, and like, you know, when, when, when we, when we got the news that we weren't doing it, of course I was like, oh, well, it'll be great to get Tuesday nights back <laugh>. But at the same time, like, I would do this for another 10 years. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> like the, the, like, you know, this was, this was something that I did because I wanted to, and it, and trust me, when I moved from San Francisco to New York when, when the pandemic hit, when I had kids, those were all moments in time where I'm like, do I really want to give up, you know, four hours a week to the, you know, to the show in terms of prepping and doing it and losing a night with, you know, watching TV with my wife or doing something like that.

And every time I came to that crossroads, I said, yes, because of you, Jason, and because of Burke and because of, of Victor, and because of everybody that, that's in our little family. And before I stop, before I start crying, I will say that all of this past 12 years is completely because of you, Mr. Jason Howell. That the, the, the work ethic and the the fairness and the approach that you've made to the show is just something that we should, I hope everybody takes notice of and should be a testament on how to run a show equitably, fairly happily. There was never a moment in these 13 years there tr all about Android was a negative or a pain in my life. And that's because of you, Jason. So congratulations to you, man. Thank you.

Jason Howell (02:01:10):
Wrong. That's so nice of you to say that <laugh> Oh, man's the truth. It's the truth. I know. I, yeah. Thank you. I I will ex I will take that in and soak it in into, it's hard. That's true.

Huyen Tue Dao (02:01:23):
You're running around with our head cutoff when you weren't here for vacation.

Ron Richards (02:01:27):
Jason, the Jason, you were Jason, you are both the heart and the backbone of this show. Yes. Right. Like a hundred percent. I mean, we, we are all, I mean, the, the, the stage that you have built around for all of us to do it, that's what it is. And, and this is as much, as much as the bummer for us. And I'm right there with you. I I don't wanna stop doing this show. I would love to keep on doing it. But it wouldn't be possible that the dedication that you've shown. And so you, you definitely deserve a hat tip for like 30 more years. <Laugh>.

Jason Howell (02:01:54):
Yeah. Thank you Ron. That's really nice. I really appreciate that. And so, you know, none of it was in vain. What's that? None of it was in vain? No, none of it. Definitely. None of it was in vain. You know, I think we've continued to do this show. I mean, I can echo what you said, Ron. We've continued to do this show because it's just, it's damn and enjoyable. Like Yeah. My Tuesday nights have been hang time with my friends, you know what I mean? Yeah. And especially since I've had started, you know, started having kids. Yeah. I have a family. Like, there have been moments in the past 13 years cuz I've been doing this show about as long as my oldest daughter is, is alive. Oh yeah, that's right. That I haven't had a whole lot of hang time with anybody mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. Yeah. But I have always had the hang time here. Yeah. With you all. Yeah. On, on Tuesday nights and, you know, hanging with friends, talking about stuff we care about pre and post show, talking about stuff that has nothing to do with Android, has everything to do with life, but it's still funny and, you know, all that stuff. I mean, it's just been so enjoyable

Ron Richards (02:02:50):
And this, and now I'm even more thankful that I pulled off and made it to IO because we got to see and do all that. Like, it'll Totally, it'll, it'll, and you're right, nothing lasts forever. And, and we have all the, the great work and we should be immensely proud of it. But again, yeah. I I mean I definitely, next Tuesday is gonna be weird, that's for sure. It

Jason Howell (02:03:07):
Will be weird. I mean, it's gonna be weird to have a Tuesday off. Yeah, totally agree. It'll be one of those things where I'm like looking at my watch going, oh, I need to be, oh, wait a minute. No, you might feel weird <laugh>. You might, you might feel weird. Seriously. I will. I, I'm, I'm certain that I will and,

Ron Richards (02:03:21):
And for, and, and as as if this effusiveness isn't, you know, enough goes without saying, but everyone asking the chat room, like, yeah, we, we would keep doing it. We'd love to do it. Unfortunately, it's out the decision's out of our hands. But yeah, I mean, it doesn't mean that doesn't mean that all of us cease to exist. We all do other things. Correct. And you can still, you know, and like, and who knows where the future will take us. Right.

Jason Howell (02:03:39):
I mean, you know, it's worth noting. I mean, just, just to get it in there real quick here. Podcast numbers are hurting. I mean, there's, there's no question about it. The advertising industry right now, just in general. Yeah. Not talking about just twit not isolated, just us. But things have changed, things have shifted and you're seeing a lot of the impacts of it. I mean, you know. Yeah. I mean, what, what can I say? Like, at a certain point, a show's gotta be making more money than it costs to run it. And I think for a while at least for, you know, a long enough all that Android has not been. And so the idea is, you know what, you know, how can we make a change to what I do? Cause I'm, I'm also, I'm an employee here at twit. Like, I've got a job to do that is good.

And, you know, that is good for me. That makes me happy, but that's also good for the company. And I'll talk about kind of what my plan is here in a second. But I just love you guys. Thank you so much for doing this with me for the last 13 years. And Wynn, it's been so awesome to get to meet you and Victor and Burke and everybody that's just helped us do this show. It's just been so enjoyable. It, it really is a part of my life that isn't gonna be there. And that's hard. But we're

Huyen Tue Dao (02:04:54):
Still here.

Jason Howell (02:04:54):
I know, totally.

Huyen Tue Dao (02:04:55):
Still here. Yeah. The show may not be, but we are still here. Totally.

Jason Howell (02:04:59):
Okay. I,

Huyen Tue Dao (02:04:59):
I totally get, I am just across 37. Okay. Yeah. Ron is just across the country. Okay. It's not, you know, when it's just nearby as well. Yeah. It, its not, you know.

Jason Howell (02:05:11):
Yeah, I know. And we're all

Huyen Tue Dao (02:05:13):
Still a part of this world, right? We're all, don't you ever, ever leave Android for iOS? Woo. I know where you live, Jason. I know where you live. God, I'll come to your house and knock on your door.

Jason Howell (02:05:27):
I have, I have no plans. I have no plans to leave Android for iOS. But anything's possible. Flo No, I'm just kidding. I have no plans to leave. I okay. So why don't we end with just kinda like where people can, can find us.

Huyen Tue Dao (02:05:44):
What are we doing now,

Jason Howell (02:05:44):
<Laugh>? Yeah, I know. Where do we go from here? I feel like, wow, this has been a really long episode. And and keep going, keep going. Let's do another hour. Come on <laugh>. I, I I will say I just saw Leo pop into the store. Yes.

Huyen Tue Dao (02:05:55):
Saw Leo Pop

Jason Howell (02:05:56):
Too. <Laugh> like, alright, there he is. <Laugh>. okay. So when, what do you wanna leave people with? Where can people continue to find what you're doing on online and Oh yeah. Oh,

Huyen Tue Dao (02:06:08):
Where you at? Well, I don't wanna drag it out, but I just started crying. Oh.

Huyen Tue Dao (02:06:11):

Huyen Tue Dao (02:06:12):
I'm sorry. No, because when I first learned about this show, sorry, I had been unemployed for six months trying to make this android life work. I'm so sorry. Oh my God. So I was employed, unemployed for six months trying to make this Android job work. Cause I loved Android so much. And seeing, seeing Jason Howell, who I adore and just really just thought was like one of the coolest and person that made me wanna do a podcast that you started the show made me feel like, okay, this is not a bad career choice. Mm-Hmm.

Jason Howell (02:06:43):
<Affirmative>. Yeah. Sorry. Yep. Yeah. You don't need to be

Huyen Tue Dao (02:06:48):
Sorry. And as the, as the, as the, as these kids are saying, I find it miraculous that I somehow manifested coming on this podcast to be with you guys for 61 episodes. So I'm sorry I'm the started. So anyway, yes. I am an Android developer and this show has made me a better Android developer. Nice. So I'm gonna try to keep keeping up with Android news, keeping up with consumer, consumer news. I don't know what's gonna be follow me or just pay attention to my website, I'm not really on Twitter anymore. Maybe like, I don't know, follow me on ma or Queen code and maybe I'll keep doing some stuff. Yeah. I, I do wanna keep, I love Android. My husband loves Android. I wish, I wish we, I could have ever somehow like, brought him under there. Just like, cuz half the stuff that we've talked about is stuff that he bought and like, is so much big part of our lives. Oh,

Jason Howell (02:07:38):
I get that.

Huyen Tue Dao (02:07:39):

Huyen Tue Dao (02:07:39):
So happy. I'm so happy to have been part of this show. Yeah. Happy because I've loved you guys for so long.

Jason Howell (02:07:44):
Happy to have, I have you when, and thank you.

Huyen Tue Dao (02:07:47):
I'm gonna miss it. Sorry, <laugh>, I'm such a big crier.

Huyen Tue Dao (02:07:50):
You don't need to be sorry.

Jason Howell (02:07:52):
You don't need to be Sorry.

Huyen Tue Dao (02:07:53):
I'm wiping my face with the cloth that had rubbing alcohol. You have me to wipe. Be careful. Please,

Ron Richards (02:07:59):
Please be careful.

Huyen Tue Dao (02:07:59):
Nothing, but

Jason Howell (02:08:02):

Huyen Tue Dao (02:08:02):
Careful. Be careful. Yeah. I, I've been so lucky to be on this show and I love you guys, all of you guys so much. I have looked up to you so much. So this has been a freaking joy in my life to be be doing this list last year and a half. So I'm gonna miss it. Thank you. Sorry. Oh my God. Look at me.

Jason Howell (02:08:15):
Oh my crap. Crap. We'll miss it too. Listen,

Huyen Tue Dao (02:08:16):
When we're lucky to be able to, to do over, you're on my close friends list, like it's all good. We're,

Jason Howell (02:08:23):
This is not gonna happen.

Ron Richards (02:08:23):
Family. We're family. That's what it is. After you do, you do you do this for this whole thing, you're like, when you're part of the family, this is family. Yeah. And, and this is not the end. This is, this is a, this is a, this is a closing one chapter. Correct. Opening a door to another one. Yeah,

Huyen Tue Dao (02:08:36):
Absolutely. Sorry, I'm just, and

Huyen Tue Dao (02:08:38):
We can keep our group chat going too.

Jason Howell (02:08:40):
Yeah, totally. Of course. Yeah. Group chat's not going anywhere. Yeah, thank you. When that was wonderful. And I appreciate you wearing your heart on your sleeve like that. It doesn't matter that we're po podcasting, we still have hearts, right? We do. We can show that.

Huyen Tue Dao (02:08:54):
My goodness.

Jason Howell (02:08:56):
Just don't, just don't, don't like hurt yourself with using the wrong rag though. I'm just a little worried that

Huyen Tue Dao (02:09:01):
I'm laughing bit at the microfiber wrap. I've got rag. I'm not.

Jason Howell (02:09:06):
All right. Wen thank you. So great doing the show with you. Flo, what do you wanna leave people with?

Huyen Tue Dao (02:09:15):
I have no idea.

Jason Howell (02:09:16):

Huyen Tue Dao (02:09:17):
I have no idea. I'm not I'm, I'm on leave right now. I'm on you're not working leave for my job at Gizmoto. Are you working? I'm not working.

Jason Howell (02:09:26):
Oh, okay.

Huyen Tue Dao (02:09:27):
I'm not working. I'm gonna be gone for about another month, so I won't be back until August. We, if you wanna talk to me until then

Jason Howell (02:09:39):
Discord, right?

Huyen Tue Dao (02:09:40):
Well first of all, let me say this. If you need a Google podcast to fill your, the hole in your heart that also covers the Android ecosystem. There you go. I do have another podcast. Yes, indeed. At the Relay FM network. I'm sorry, Leo,

Jason Howell (02:09:55):
You don't need to be sorry. Lemme do

Huyen Tue Dao (02:09:56):
This. It's what you got. Yeah. Come over to Now, I'm not on the podcast right now because again, I am on leave and Andy and Naco, who is my co-host over there, has agreed to do take on the show while I'm doing my leave. So he's doing the show every week. He's doing the members only episodes. We, that show's still going. So head over there if you know you need you need a fill of me, but I, again, I won't be back until August. So please, please go, go listen to Andy, like,

Jason Howell (02:10:29):
You know. Yeah. And definitely everyone should check out Flo and Andy Flo when she returns, but both of them on the Material podcast. There is nothing wrong with point people in that direction. We don't have an and Android show. And even if we did, it's still a wonderful show. Every time you were on, we would, we would mention it or I would try to remember to.

Huyen Tue Dao (02:10:47):
Well, I, so I've already done my crying about leaving the show because I left the show a couple while ago.

Jason Howell (02:10:54):
Yeah. A

Huyen Tue Dao (02:10:55):
Couple years ago, you know mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. So I've had to, it's

Jason Howell (02:10:58):
Not a prerequisite to cry on the show.

Huyen Tue Dao (02:11:00):
No, I know. I, well, I was about to cry when wind started crying, but <laugh> I don't know. Stay tuned. I, I'm here All right for now

Jason Howell (02:11:10):
And around

Huyen Tue Dao (02:11:11):
And around. I am on Blue Sky by the way. I'm mi slowly migrating over there. I am still on Twitter, but I'm mostly on Blue Sky as Flow. The person you can find me there at. Oh, that flow. That's my username everywhere.

Jason Howell (02:11:27):
That's what you

Huyen Tue Dao (02:11:27):
Gotta look. Yeah. I'm on TikTok. I, you know, you wanna follow me there? I just talk about 9 0 2 and oh and how Ion Zing has an MLM and the

Jason Howell (02:11:38):
Important things in

Huyen Tue Dao (02:11:39):
Life. Just like, yeah. Just important things. <Laugh> on Instagram. I'm still on Snapchat. Oh, and I have a Discord. There you go. I have a Discord. So, which

Ron Richards (02:11:52):
Is, and here I was worried about saying too much. And

Jason Howell (02:11:55):
<Laugh>. Thank you Flo. You can go to

Huyen Tue Dao (02:11:58):
Florence Discord there.

Jason Howell (02:12:08):
Yeah. Thank you Flo. Thank you. <Laugh>. I'm sorry. Oh, it's, it's cause

Huyen Tue Dao (02:12:14):
I, I have not worked for over 30 days. I have no idea what's going on. I didn't even know.

Jason Howell (02:12:19):
It's okay. You're blis, you're, you're a bliss it'ss all good.

Huyen Tue Dao (02:12:23):
Yeah. And yeah, thank you for coming in. Yes,

Jason Howell (02:12:25):
Thank you. It's

Huyen Tue Dao (02:12:25):
Great to have you. Thank you for having me of be part of this for so long. And Lisa and Leo, I am not giving up my key fob

Jason Howell (02:12:32):
<Laugh>. I'm holding onto myob. Mic drop.

Huyen Tue Dao (02:12:35):

Jason Howell (02:12:36):
Alright. Ron, what do you wanna leave people with?

Ron Richards (02:12:41):
Yes, I guess I mean, you hear me talk about it for how many of any episodes, but I'm on Twitter and Instagram. I'm at rono. I'm also on Blue Sky. I'm a mass study po Me. It's always rono you, you'll find me that way. Go to i if you're into comics, check out what those guys do. But every now and then I pop on there, talk about movies and tv, but once a month. So and, and do our Patron Hangouts. So definitely check out I fanboy. If you like pinball, check out We've got an app in the Google Play Store. We keep track of your pinball scores. Very, very cool. Good stuff. I don't talk about a lot on the show cause I try to keep like personal life and business life separate, but I work at Marvel, so go to or follow Marvel and social media.

Jason Howell (02:13:21):
Cause you get to see

Ron Richards (02:13:22):
What I do every day in addition to that. So basically yeah, all Marvel's YouTube and social media and website is all stuff i I work on. So it's a fun place to be. So hopefully you like that more than DC no, I'm just kidding. But but yeah, so that's what I, so you can see my work there if you follow, although it's not credited to me. And lastly, like I, you know, I I, you know, you never know what the future may bring. You know, I don't know if I have another, you know, tech show, weekly tech show in me with anybody else. I would love to, but I definitely want to keep my foot in this world. And so, you know, you never know. I might pop up with some of your favorite podcasts talking about Android still. So stay tuned and follow me on Twitter. I'll be sure to post on that when that happens. So,

Jason Howell (02:14:06):
Right on. Thank you, Ron. Yeah, it's been a pleasure doing a podcast with you for 13 years.

Ron Richards (02:14:11):
Dude, I wouldn't do with anybody else, man. You're, you, you're, you're in rare. I mean, you're, you are in rare. I'm very, very lucky to have two podcasts that lasted more than a decade. Yeah. You've

Jason Howell (02:14:21):
Got Longevity Man.

Ron Richards (02:14:23):
And it's only with, it's only with three people. Josh and Connor over at I fanboy and you here. So man, you, you you we're, we're, we're, we're connected till Death my friend. So

Jason Howell (02:14:31):
Solid. <Laugh> Solid. You can find me doing Tech News weekly, of course. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> TWIT TV slash tnw with Micah Sargent. Things going really well with, with that show right now. And then what this actually allows me to do, it does free me up to try something new. And that's the plan. So I'm, I'm obviously, I'm very early on in, in the workings around this and I think Leo even mentioned this on the, maybe on the, the Network yest or on Sunday. I can't remember on the Ask the Tech guys. But anyways, we've needed an artificial intelligence show on the network. It's been a topic that's been really, really top of mind. You know, lots of discussion happening and thought happening around AI in the world's technology. Right now, I'm kind of in the midst of working on an idea around ai cuz I'm really fascinated by it.

And it's a chance for me to, I don't know, kind of have a, have a renewed focus on something that, you know, as much as I love Android. Like what, what, what, what is it like if I focus on a different facet of technology and get really, you know, get really smart about it and see, see if I can approach AI through the lens of how can we as individual, everyday users, how can we use AI to improve our lives? Not the news, not like, you know, and then this happened and this company bought this company. But like, how can I use this particular piece of AI to make something creative that I enjoy? Or how can I use this AI to make myself more productive or whatever. That's kinda where my head's at right now. If you have any thoughts or suggestions or ideas, I'm totally open to it.

Jason, at Twitter tv send me an email. You can find me at Twitter on Twitter, Jason Howell Mastodon twit social slash Jason Howell. If you're a member of the club, of course I'm in the Discord twit TV slash club twit. When we're talking about the, the podcast kind of market right now club Twit is probably the easiest, most direct way that you can help us as a podcast network continue to do what we do. Cuz you're supporting us directly at $7 a month. Twit tv slash club twit gives you, you know, all of our shows with no ads, gives you a lot of bonus content, some of which is coming from tonight's pre-show and post-show. And then access to the Discord that I'm talking about. It also gives you direct access to us through the Discord. So it's pretty easy to communicate with us there as well.

So that's a way that you can help us, twit TV slash club twit. But yeah, so those are the things that that I'm working on and I, I feel like we gotta end this show at some point. But it's been a real pleasure. It's been an honor privilege to do a show about Android and to make all of the friends that we have, you know, we've had such amazing guests over the years on this show. So many people from the industry. So yeah, thanks to all of them cuz I realize I hadn't thanked them yet. They as well as you help make this show what it's been for the last 13 years. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you a million times. And I guess we won't see you next time. Don't be a stranger on all about Android <laugh>. Is that the best way to end it? I won't see you next time and all about Android, <laugh>, whatever. There it is. Bye everybody. We'll see you soon. Bye everybody. <Laugh> don't lose. Don't, don't lose touch. Thank you. Kiss.

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