All About Android 632, Transcript

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Coming up next on all about Android, it's me, Jason Howell, joined by Ron Richards win is out, but we have Juan bag now. Some gadget guy joining us today. Why? Well, part of the reason why is because he wrote one had a review of the One plus Pad, and today I give my review of the One plus pad. So it's kind of like we get to both share our thoughts on what we thought about that. Also, Juan talks a little bit about his review of the mob. Voy tick Watch Pro five. We've got news about the, the Pixel eight Pro having a temperature sensor a possible second foldable phone that Google gave up on maybe at the last minute. I don't know. We certainly didn't see it. And Ron's still angry about YouTube and its podcast strategy plus your email and a whole lot more. Next on all about Android

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This is all about Android episode 632, recorded Tuesday, May 30th, 2023 one plus pad review.

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Hello and welcome to all about Android, your weekly source for latest news hardware apps for the Android Faithful. Sometimes it's just hardware and apps and feedback. As is the case tonight. I'm Jason Howell. And I'm Ron Richards and I'm here for the hardware. Jason. Yeah, that's why we got two blocks of hardware coming at you tonight. And of course, well unfortunately Wyn could not join us this evening. She has the night off, so she'll be back next week. But we are fortunate to welcome back Juan Bagnell some gadget So often, Juan, you are on, we, we joked about this on the show. I know many times <laugh> so often you're on when I'm out, so I love when yeah, we can both be on the show and prove we aren't the same person. This is nice <laugh>.

Juan Bagnell (00:02:45):
Yeah, I missed your face. This is, this is great. Thank you for having me on. And yeah, I'm here for the hardware too. I know you said it was gonna be like a hardware and review heavy block and you're like, I'm here for it.

Jason Howell (00:02:54):
All right, let's do that. You, you do a lot of that with some gadget It turns out <laugh>, you keep yourself busy with the hardware. What are we looking at right now? What is this?

Juan Bagnell (00:03:03):
Yeah. Oh man. So it just breaking in like a lot more lifestyle tech these days, like batteries and solar panels and I'm really big on e-bikes right now. We're kind of going through an e-bike renaissance, so this is a bike that we got from my wife and just really changing up sort of our weekend rides and stuff. So some, some really, really fun things that we're getting to spend some time with and also just you know, some more ways that we can kind of tech take tech out into other experiences and, and kind of augment those experiences.

Jason Howell (00:03:32):
Yeah, so, okay. So that's your wife's e-bike. Do you have one also? Yeah.

Juan Bagnell (00:03:37):
Oh yeah, so, oh, okay. I'm, I kind of went a little silly going with a big old fat tire. It's a ridiculously powerful motor that I definitely don't need, but some of the hiking and horse trails around our neighborhood are so much fun when you really get that torque going. Yeah, no kidding. So yeah, we, we've just been kind of building off of that and Lex is only seven but she's already on a mountain bike too, so the family rides are getting pretty pretty technical. It's really cool.

Jason Howell (00:04:06):
Nice. That looks like so much fun. Yeah, we have, we've had a couple of e-bikes out of the front lobby here for a number of weeks and so I know that there's there's some reviews happening there as well. I have not ridden one actually yet, so I should probably plunk down on one of those out there and see what it's all about. See what it's like to get a little assist when you're riding a bike.

Juan Bagnell (00:04:28):
Yeah. If, if you're into cycling, I mean, it, it is really cool. And the thing I like about my fat tire is if you're not using the motor at all, it's kind of a harder workout cuz it's so much heavier.

Jason Howell (00:04:38):

Juan Bagnell (00:04:39):
You, you handle the bike totally differently, but when you want just that little bit of boost or you wanna like, you know, just kind of ease up this hill or something, it's, it's just enough to kind of push you along. It, it really has been exciting to see how the entire segment has opened up and now there are so many different varieties of experiences and like options that you can shop at price points that really aren't that expensive. So I, I mean, again, if you're into cycling at all, I think now is a really good time just to get a lay of the market. Just like see what, what's going on in that and even just reducing your use of your car. I mean all of our little neighborhood supermarkets, I've got bags on my bike and it's kind of nice not taking that silly half one and a half mile drive Totally. To go pick up some groceries for the day.

Jason Howell (00:05:25):
Not needed, not necessary. When you say fat tire, I have seen bikes that have like the tire that is like that wide. It's like not quite a motorcycle tire, it's just

Juan Bagnell (00:05:33):
Chunky boy.

Jason Howell (00:05:33):
Yeah. Okay. So this is, that's what I've seen then. Yeah. Okay. I've always wondered about those. Yeah, they look very heavy <laugh>. They're, they're,

Juan Bagnell (00:05:41):
Well they, so, so the combination of a fat tire frame cause you need the extra Matt. I I'm, I'm sorry. We're gonna, I'm It's okay. I'm gonna run over your entire podcast talking about you

Jason Howell (00:05:49):
Buddy. We're gonna run over it with the e-bike. That's, that's the thing over <laugh>.

Juan Bagnell (00:05:54):
But but what, but what's cool about the the fat hires, the extra weight is it spreads out your road feel a little, so it's actually not a great road bike cuz you kind of want like you kind of want the lighter, the lighter frame and the better aerodynamics and, and like the better kind of road handling feel. Right. But I have really rough roads out in my neighborhood and you don't feel any of it that's that big old cushy

Jason Howell (00:06:18):
Tires that

Juan Bagnell (00:06:18):
For sure is like Yeah, it's like riding a bark lounger. You just kind of, there's a pothole. Okay. You don't feel it, you just kind of go running.

Jason Howell (00:06:27):
You go over that pothole. It's

Juan Bagnell (00:06:28):

Jason Howell (00:06:28):
Apologize about it either. You just go,

Juan Bagnell (00:06:32):
You just go

Jason Howell (00:06:33):
And it's

Juan Bagnell (00:06:33):
So nice. As opposed to like a good road bike where it's like rattling the film. Oh

Jason Howell (00:06:37):
Yeah, totally. You fly over the,

Juan Bagnell (00:06:40):
It's all about the right tool for the right job.

Jason Howell (00:06:42):
Yeah. The handlebars if you're not careful, <laugh>

Juan Bagnell (00:06:44):
Cool. Put the head over. Yeah. Superman it.

Jason Howell (00:06:48):
Well it's great to get you on Juan. Always a pleasure getting you on the show. And we've got to talk about, like we said earlier, we got some hardware to talk about hardware that Juan has already reviewed. If you follow him you will know you, you'll know his, his perspective on it. But I've been playing around with a one plus pad, so why don't we get to hardware and check it out. And if you wanna say something Victor, you can, I realize it's not the news bumper missed the opportunity <laugh> or if you wanna sing something, see we can just dub that and make an intro out of it. Sing for your hard work sir. Sing for it. <Laugh>. We need, we need

Ron Richards (00:07:30):
Like a tab, we need a tablet theme song, Jason, because I feel I I I'm excited cause I feel like this is the first of many discussions of

Jason Howell (00:07:36):
Tablets. It's a wave. We're at the beginning of the wave. Yep. Yeah, so the one plus pad, I feel like the, the n d A for the reviews lifted on this about a month ago, which is probably about when you did your review, right Juan?

Juan Bagnell (00:07:49):
Yeah, I was part of that early embargo and we had it for a little bit more than a week before. They, they let us lift and, and talk about using the tablet, but I'm really anxious to hear your thoughts because even from when I had it to now, now I think we're getting a better sense of what this is gonna look like in consumer's hands. Cuz what I had was, it was finished hardware, but it definitely needed that day one update. The software was really pre-release, it was really embargo early access. So I, I'm kind of curious to hear how your experiences have been, if, if they kind of vibe with what I got to experience.

Jason Howell (00:08:24):
Yeah, so you know, I also have had the pad the one plus pad for I'd say probably about a week and a half of, of solid use. And one plus sent this to me, I'm gonna be shipping it back either tomorrow or the next day. Cuz apparently they have a lot of demand on these devices. So as you can see here, I have the one plus pad, which is the tablet itself. I've got their, what is it called? The st that snaps to the top. I really like the snapping mechanism. It's a little magnetic snap and right away I get the little notification that tells me that it's connected, it charges wirelessly up here. So that's pretty sweet. You can remove the tips. I'm not sure why you wanna remove the tips. Is it just that, like do they provide different angles? I'm not really quite sure. It actually has a, a

Juan Bagnell (00:09:10):
Different firmness, different, like you can, you can how the, how the feel is against. And then also I, I think it's for if they start to wear out over time.

Jason Howell (00:09:19):
Oh, okay. You can

Juan Bagnell (00:09:19):
Swap that pen

Jason Howell (00:09:20):
To Oh wow. People are roughing that A lot of works. Yeah, apparently. So you got that diet, oh, sorry, what were you gonna say? I was gonna say with a lot of a lot of use, you're gonna run into that problem, right? Yeah. Which, which I mean, admittedly I'm not gonna be the, I'm not the user to give a lot of use on the stylists. I am you know, time and time again when a stylist is part of a part of a package, I find myself like struggling to remember to use it or to find reasons to use it. <Laugh> I'm not really an artist with my tablet, so I'm not, you know, pulling it out to, to draw pictures and, and do you know refinements like that? I'm also not using this a a stylist to do any navigation stuff. You know, you really use something like this for like note taking and, and creative stuff.

And so, so I'm the wrong person on that. But I do think, you know, for $99, we're st we're really starting with the things that are far below the fold here. But with the stylo it's $99 <laugh>. And I think if you want a stylus, I mean, it seems like the integration is pretty sweet and you know, having it, having it actually dock kind of magnetically to the top, it has a place to go, I guess is my point. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So that's, that's pretty sweet. You can also see here I've got the, the keyboard the, what is it called, the one plus magnetic keyboard. This is a shaded green because the tablet itself is actually green. If I pull all this stuff apart, you can kind of see a little bit of finger printy on the back, but it's, it's kind of like a polished polished green color on the back.

And yeah, the tablet itself I love the color. I'm a big fan of the, the green color. I probably should have taken that sticker off, so go ahead and cover it. Big fan of the color. I think the green color is just, it's really nice in person. I don't know how much it comes through on the, on the the camera and through the podcast, but it's a really comfortable tablet too. Like, it's got a really nice rounding the curvature it feels thin and narrow enough. I don't know. It's a, it's just a comfortable tablet like pulling it out, you know, you know what I have to compare it against are the Samsung tablets. Some of the premium Samsung tablets just have this like hard edge that looks nice, like, you know, when you look at the tablet, it, it kind of has a kind of a fancy premium quality to it. But often when I be holding those tablets, you know, I kind of feel the edges into the palm of my hand. And with a device like this is big enough that when you're holding it, you want it to be comfortable because it's just a little bit larger than you might be used to using. And so at least get the comfort right. And I feel like the one plus pad gets the comfort. Right.

Juan Bagnell (00:12:06):
I need, I need to jump in and ask because there were two fairly high profile early reviews that listed the bezel as being cons

Jason Howell (00:12:17):
In the one plus. Oh, I do not care at all.

Juan Bagnell (00:12:20):
Now, now, now Jason, this is very serious. If we're talking about the hand feel, are you able to hold and use the tablet with those smaller bezzles than what might be on some of the competitor's products? Can we, can we take a, can we take a

Jason Howell (00:12:33):
Moment and get a rating on the hand feel <laugh> Jason? Yes. This is four hands Outta five. Okay. Four <laugh>, four hands eight, eight fingers out of 10. Is is that the rating I'm

Juan Bagnell (00:12:47):
Bringing? No,

Jason Howell (00:12:47):
I haven't, I haven't had any issues. I mean, I feel like that doesn't might enough. No.

Juan Bagnell (00:12:53):
So, so like the way you're holding it right there, the, the one issue that I ran into personally, and, and this is actually something that's impacting me on a Windows tablet too, is I'm interacting with the screen whenever I'm doing something like docking it with the keyboard mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. But when I'm just using the tablet, when I'm holding the tablet, you know, even when I'm sketching with the tablet, I felt like those bezel were functional. Like, I didn't think that the narrower borders around the screen were preventing me from using the tablet. Well,

Jason Howell (00:13:21):
No, I would absolutely agree. And I just took that sticker off. There we go. Yeah, I would absolutely agree. I mean, there sure are you gonna get weird little phantom touches here and there? I, I suppose so, but I feel like that's an appropriate amount of bezel because I do understand like if it was to the edge

Juan Bagnell (00:13:41):
Really well-balanced,

Jason Howell (00:13:42):
If it was to the edge, yeah, that would totally get in the way with something that you're, you know, have in the palm of your hand and you'd get some of those, you know, those touches that you didn't mean for. So I don't mind having a little bit of a, a bezel, not to mention like, the bezel itself is curved with the contours of the glass, so it looks very refined. Like sometimes you see these round and, and maybe it's nitpicking, but you see these round edges and then you see a square corner on the display. Yeah,

Juan Bagnell (00:14:09):
No, my o it it triggers my ocd. Totally. I don't, I don't like it when those

Jason Howell (00:14:12):
Smash. Yeah, totally. This feels a lot more intentional from a design perspective to have that. It's just very pleasing to my eyes. I don't mind the bezzles at all, but I feel like I've really come around as far as my opinion on bezel in general. You know, it used to be that if there was any sight of any bezel whatsoever, I'd be like, oh, that's so ugly. And then for the reasons that you're talking about from a usability standpoint, it might look nicer, but then you start to use it and you realize, oh, well actually those bezzles serve a purpose. I

Juan Bagnell (00:14:40):
Was just surprised to see people criticizing that they were too small. I think that's the thing that kind of, I

Jason Howell (00:14:44):
Think that's legacy thinking of what I'm talking about right there, you know what I mean? Yeah,

Juan Bagnell (00:14:48):
A little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Like at what did we decide that that was a a, a deal breaker, critter criticism. Totally.

Jason Howell (00:14:55):
Yeah, totally agree. Yeah, that's exactly where I'm at. I was on the airplane and pull out my headphones and then realized, oh, wait a minute, this doesn't have a headphones jack. So there is that if you wanna do, you know, headphones, you gotta do wireless, which is not entirely surprising, I suppose, but I guess on tablets sometimes I, I think I've, I'm still used to seeing on tablets, they, they still include the headphone jack. And I expected to find it, but then I had the Pixel buds pro with me, which are the noise canceling ones anyways, so I was like, oh, actually this doesn't matter. I'll just connect via Bluetooth and you know, I'm on an airplane, I'm on a noisy airplane, I want to cancel the noise anyways, so it doesn't really matter that much. But but overall, I like the design.

It's got the four four speakers on both both sides. You've got kind of the quad speaker array. The speaker sounded, sounded nice to me. You know, I didn't admittedly do a whole lot of like, listening on the quad speakers. I was really using a lot, a lot of the time using headphones and everything like that. But so I think the display is probably one of the more interesting things because I'm sure you saw that we, we certainly talked about it on the show, but I'm sure you saw this one that Ron Amadio had his RS Technica take down of the display where it seemed like a lot of the, the reviews were very pro display, right? Like pro this display. Yeah. Even though it's an L C D display and a lot of people will knock it because it's not an amulet or whatever, but it's 11.6 inch, 1.44 Hertz, L c d display mm-hmm.

<Affirmative>. And I know that developer tools thing says that the display is not good when you activated it. You get all those ugly lines that we showed off on the show <laugh> a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, that was last week, Jason. Oh, that was See time is time is weird. Yep. Time is no meaning it was last week. That's right. Just last week. We, we showed off those lines, but I'm, you know, I gotta say, like, again, is this a review or is it, my experience and my experience using the tablet is every time I turned it on and looked at the display, I really liked what I was seeing. So Yeah. Does it matter that that tool was displaying things that you, you know, would, would otherwise not want to see? Sure. It, it seems to it seems to prove that the display is not perfect, but my experience of using this tablet was that I really liked what I was seeing on the display every time I pulled it out. It just, it didn't bother me at all. There was never a time where I was looking at the display or using it and scrolling and seeing something that I was like, Ugh, I've seen so many better displays than this. Like, I was actually pretty impressed with it. Curious to know your thoughts, Juan? Yeah,

Juan Bagnell (00:17:36):
I I I exactly the same boat where I, I feel our perception of a product needs to also be sort, you need to take into account what is the expected use and who is the sort of target for something like this. Yeah. And I think OnePlus is doing something where this is a OnePlus pad. It's not a OnePlus pad plus it's not a OnePlus pad Pro. And to say like L c d bad, I, I I think a lot of us would say we prefer Oles. Sure. That's that's fine. Yeah. That's, but to, to slam something just because it's an L C D without really looking at its sort of comparable performance. This is a tablet that's gonna sell for a pretty decent price. And I've said it next to other like three and $400 carrier tablets. You know, like the, the M s MSRP P is three or $400, but the, the tablets you often get for free when you sign up, sign up for like a line of service.

And if you're complaining about the L C D here, just because it's an L C D, then you don't remember how bad LCDs really could get on inexpensive Android tablets. Yeah, totally. I I I, I felt like this was punching well above its price tag. And I had someone in one of the comments on my video complaining that like, oh, well you could go and get like an iPad, and you're like, yeah, but the iPad is also using an L C D at 60 Hertz. So why, why, why are we upset about a 144 Hertz? Totally.

Jason Howell (00:19:03):
Yeah. Where are the sacrifices,

Juan Bagnell (00:19:04):
Comparably priced tablets are, are kind of running in that same are are, are running poorer displays than, than the one that's on this this one plus.

Jason Howell (00:19:13):
Yeah. Yeah. Totally agree. You said it, you said it perfectly. I think the trade off was solid considering the cost. I mean, this tablet's $479, so you're still sub $500, you know, when you're talking about a, a, a tablet that has excellent specs. I mean, performance-wise, you've got the media tech density 9,000 system on a chip in here. Which again, I have to reprogram myself and my, my like, legacy beliefs around media tech. It's, it's so easy to fall into the, the camp of like, oh, media tech bad, you know, similar to L C D bad. But I've changed my, my thinking on that because I've seen enough devices running their top of the line chips and those devices perform about as good as any other device, you know, coming from the Snapdragon camp that I've, that I've become so accustomed

Juan Bagnell (00:20:04):
To, to, and, and Density 9,000 was special because that was the chip that vaulted the eight gen one in performance per watt and was nipping at the heels of last year's iPhone. And when you put it in a larger chassis with a big battery and it's got better thermal management because of all the surface area, this density, 9,000 is a champ. I mean, I, I wouldn't really, I I wouldn't really suggest people grab a tablet like this to do heavy laptop replacement work. Right. But the chip is not what's holding it back that s o c is hanging with, you know, there is no sub $500 laptop selling today. Not, not like you can go and buy an old laptop for less. Right. you know, you put this up against like a $400 Chromebook, and this thing is an order of magnitude more powerful than what we can do with Android apps on a, on a cheaper Chromebook. So th this is this is the media tech that changed, like, it, it changed the game for media Tech Premium SOCs.

Jason Howell (00:21:07):
Yep, yep. Didn't really take a whole lot of camera pictures with a camera. Sorry. It's just not something I do a lot on a tablet.

Juan Bagnell (00:21:15):
I none

Ron Richards (00:21:16):
Pretty sure couldn't miss where it is though.

Jason Howell (00:21:18):
<Laugh>. No, I mean, that's a, I like the look of it. I actually really like the, the look of it, especially with this case on, like, it's a solid, it's,

Ron Richards (00:21:26):
It's a desi it's a design consistency with the line of phones, right? If you're gonna have the tablet to match the phone, you know, like when you see them both laying on the table, like, no, no, mine's the one with the big black dot. That's mine. Thank you <laugh>. So no, but I, I I, I, I also agree, I think it doesn't look, it doesn't look like every other tablet out there. And that's a, and that's a pro in my, in, in my book here. And like, in terms of how agree, you know, and, and you know, you want, I want a a, a coherent design consistency that goes across the whole line. Yeah. So I, I'm, I'm cool with the camera as it especially. Yeah. I'm not really using a tablet to take like, you know Yeah. Family pictures.

Jason Howell (00:22:01):
I'm not, and you know, I had these two dogs at the, at the house that, and they're adorable. Oh. But they were, they were almost too fast for me to capture with this camera not there, because they were, they were doing tricks for, for treats, I think. But anyways, see, you know, that's a pretty blurry, you know, on the move picture partially because this thing is so damn big and like, it's so hard to take a picture with a tablet period, let alone of a fast moving animal. And so I'm just, I, I have a hard time knocking tablets on their camera performance anymore because it's just from a usability standpoint, it's not something I ever want to actually do other than doing it to prove something on like a show or whatever. I never turned to my tablet for period.

Ron Richards (00:22:43):
Now I will say I will, I will give a use case for the camera with the tablets here that I've come to, I've come to discover on my own, which is my kids are in pre-K and they, they have a app that they share photos with or whatever they take videos with. And I've seen them in hand and they're doing it with a tablet. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, they're chasing around the kids and taking pictures with the tablet and they're doing stuff with the tablet. So like, again, like yes to Jason, you know, you and I might not be taking family photos with the tablet, but there are use cases out there where it's like, Hey, I'm using this tablet. It need to be able to take pictures for sure. So it should be decent.

Jason Howell (00:23:17):

Juan Bagnell (00:23:17):
Yeah. Yeah. I think that's fair. I, I mean, my uses are, can I take video calls? And once I've satisfied that, then that's all I really need a camera on a tablet for. But it's totally fair to say other people's sort of usage or concerns might be met by having better cameras on, on

Jason Howell (00:23:32):
Their Yep. Just on a tablet like this, that's not your pri that's not most people's primary reason, I think for, for having it. So yes, it has a camera, it is capable of taking good pictures. But I just didn't, I didn't really put it to a deep test either. Battery performance though I thought was really good. I watched the the Tetris movie, the two hour Tetris movie. What did you think of it from a f Oh, I thought it was awesome. I really enjoyed it. Right. It

Juan Bagnell (00:23:58):
Was so fun.

Jason Howell (00:23:59):
It was so much fun. It's a good one. But that was the first thing that I did on the tablet when I got on the airplane. I got on the airplane, I rested for a little while cuz it was 6:00 AM and then when I was done resting, I woke up un you know, opened up the tablet and watched that and it started at a hundred percent. And by the end of the two hour movie it was a 90%. I thought that was pretty Wow. Darn impressive. It's impressive. Like 10% lost in two hours of watching, you know, a a, a movie. So, you know, and, and just in general, you know, battery performance was, was pretty solid. I did a lot of gaming and a lot of movies and stuff like that on the week away. So, you know, 95, 10000000th hour battery, 67 watt super v charging, so you can get that fast charging if you have the right brick to do it does have face unlock, which I thought was okay.

That's really the biometric authentication that you get on this device. That is one thing that you could ding this for, I suppose, that there's no fingerprint sensor. So if you're looking for that, you don't have that. Other than that, I mean I, I think my, my experience with this tablet was I'm really impressed and especially for the price range and especially also that this is one plus's first kind of go with a tablet. I think the overall package, like I really was surprised at how much I like this keyboard ca case <laugh>. Yeah. I, I really enjoyed having it. I think my one, my one criticism is that it doesn't, it, it locks only into a single viewing angle and that angle wasn't always the right angle for me necessarily, but, you know, for it to pack up and it, it magnetically kind of snaps together like this. So anytime I threw it in my backpack, I didn't feel like it was gonna open up on me or anything like that. And boop, it's out and we're good to go. I don't know, it, it's a, it's a cool package. It is $150 to get that extra, that extra keyboard. Although I think they have like a deal if you were buying AEM all in the beginning, I don't know if they still have that deal

Juan Bagnell (00:25:57):
Anymore. Yeah, they, they, they aren't, they aren't probably gonna revisit that original sort of, probably launch price probably. Yeah. Cuz that was, that was intense. It was the tablet and then you got the keyboard for free and then you got the stylist at half price. Oh,

Jason Howell (00:26:10):

Juan Bagnell (00:26:10):
So you could have ended up with like $530 for the whole kit

Jason Howell (00:26:14):
For everything. You see,

Juan Bagnell (00:26:14):
I don't think they're gonna revisit that. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:26:17):
Yeah. But yeah, overall pretty impressed with it. Does that kind of fall in line with, with your thoughts or do you differ in any of these categories? Yeah,

Juan Bagnell (00:26:26):
Yeah. I, I I mean I'm right on there with you. One, I don't think one plus ever gets enough credit for charging technology because yeah,

Jason Howell (00:26:33):
They do.

Juan Bagnell (00:26:34):
They're one of the only, it's, it's one plus in Motorola in the United States in North America that offer these sort of faster charging standards. So going from 45 watt charging on a Galaxy tab to 67 watt charging on this is a noticeable difference when the tablet's starting to run a little low and you maybe have 10 minutes to try and top it off, how much more juice you really get for plugging it in for a short period of time. Really my biggest complaint wasn't really the tablet itself. I, I I feel like we're missing just the opportunity because there's no expandable storage to maybe sell another tier. I, I think this is a tablet that starts to push into territory where you could use it for more laptop e things. It's powerful enough to be used for more laptop things. I just wish we had more options for storage cuz at this 0.1 28 is still lean, even if it's only a companion computer to another computer or a, or a smartphone. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, I, I, I want a bit more space on there. Yeah,

Jason Howell (00:27:33):
Fair. Yeah. Burke, I just saw in Slack you were talking about there being a delay between me swiping and the screen recognizing and scrolling and so I was just kinda like playing around with it and I'm like looking at the video, I'm like, I see what you mean. It looks like I'm swiping and then wait, and then things happen. But when I'm looking at my tablet and doing it, it feels natural. Like it feels like it comes at the right time. So I think maybe that's the disconnect of like, the perception of what we see when we're watching it versus actually interacting with it. Cuz cuz when I'm interacting with it, it doesn't feel delayed to me yet when I look on a screen, even though that screen probably is slightly delayed actually. So that's probably part of the delay that I'm seeing. But anyways so yeah. Cool. So the one plus pad, I think I think they did a pretty great job right out of the gate, 4 79 for this tablet. All those other accessories that you can get if you like, but you don't have to,

Ron Richards (00:28:29):
I gotta say with, you know, gi given that we are moving into the year of the tablet, you're the tablet with the, the, with the, with the one plus pad and the, the much awaited pixel tablet on its way. I got my delivery notice that's coming in June <laugh>. So I'm very excited to get my hands on that one. Nice. Juan, do you, do you feel that finally we're in the year of the tablet or do you see us turning a corner and Android given, given all the commitment from the Android developers? We talked to the guys, you know, Dave Burke and, and Samir Samma from Android and talked about, you know, you know, optimizing the operating system for large screens is, is the, is the Android audience finally ready to embrace tablets the way we've hoped since 2013

Juan Bagnell (00:29:08):
<Laugh>? I'm hoping just because we always need the competition for so long I've only been recommending Galaxy Tabs, not because I feel that there's any Samsung like hardware superiority, but because you could avoid Android on a larger screen and use decks and you would get sort of a more familiar computer experience by using a Galaxy tab with Dex as the main interface. So finally, isn't it so funny we've seen the ebb and flow. Like I remember when I first started getting into reviewing Android gear and like we'd have asus experiments like the Transformers or the pad phones. We've been trying to get Android as the background operating system, but some kind of extra computer use out of this hardware for like 15 years or not that long, but like go for a decade that we're finally starting to kind of tap into what is the functionality developers are taking it more seriously.

I think this is the good start and, and now what's gonna be interesting to see is iPads I feel have been very consistent but maybe getting a little stagnant at the same time Windows on Arm has been getting really good and it can also run Android apps and Linux programs and we still have Chrome kicking around. Like a good Chrome slate is a really good, so I, I feel like the big screen slate competition is gonna be, is gonna be really hot this year. And so if there was ever a time someone was looking at I want a companion or an in between computer now I think is a really good time to shop and look at all these different options. The, the fight between OnePlus Pad and Pixel Pad is gonna be awesome. Like that is just gonna be a great showdown when people really get to live with these things for a little while. Yeah.

Ron Richards (00:30:51):
And, and I wanna see what it does in terms of re-energizing the Samsung line or re-energizing the other, the other ones that are out there to really, you know, get the market going and people, and, and it all goes back to, we've talked about this on the show and people, you know, a bit of a broken record here, but like it's all gonna go back to the are the developers embracing it and creating Yeah. Is there a compelling use other than watching a movie or TV show or reading a book or reading a comic book or playing a game, you know, like, and, and that goes back to, you know, what you were saying Juan, about like, pushing the productivity aspect of it. Can I go on a trip? Yeah. And not take my laptop and take that tablet and feel confident, you know,

Juan Bagnell (00:31:26):
So Yeah. And, and it's gonna be a challenge for reviewers cuz I think we've, we've gotten a little complacent cuz you really gotta know go out there and try it. And we've gotten better apps. Microsoft 365 has improved its support for, for Android Luma Fusion coming over to Android is a huge step for content creation. So now, I mean like all the little pieces are starting, it's not the end game, but they're starting to fall into place. But now it's on reviewers to really test that. If it's just like, oh this tablet's $500 and all I did was watch movies on it, then you're like, well yeah, you didn't really, you really give us that. You didn't really dig into it, you didn't really tell us anything. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, I you can do that cheap <laugh>. Yeah. You on the

Jason Howell (00:32:07):
Tablets. Absolutely.

Juan Bagnell (00:32:08):
I did a road trip. Could I really just use my one plus pad to get all my work done and let's see where it struggles and let's see where there's still gaps in that experience.

Jason Howell (00:32:17):
Yeah, yeah, indeed. So, and by the way Juan did, like I said, did do a review of this. So if you go to some gadget and you can check out Juan's review of the OnePlus pad from about a month ago as well. Which you can see right there. It's a time shifted. Aw. Our screen right now, that guy. But we don't have a huge amount of time, but real like brief strokes on the mavoy tick watch Pro Five, which you did a review of this week. So we kind of don't wanna go deep on this anyways cause we want people to watch a review, but give us some, some highlights like what, what's it, what's it good about it and then what's not good about it? Oh, hang, hang on a second, Jason. Oh, we gotta do it. Do it right. Oh gosh, <laugh> wow. Juan gets his own hardware. Oh, Juan's hardware chef. Oh the hardware, the wearable hardware. Good memory, Victor. There you go. Okay, so what, what's your highlights? What's your highlights on that?

Juan Bagnell (00:33:21):
Tick watch. So throughout all of these most recent Android wear wear os kinds of shenanigans, mob Voy has made my personal favorite hardware. The, one of the key aspects is getting Fantastic Battery Life and using, I I can try and get it right there. Oh, it's kinda hard to see. Yeah. But the dual display on, on Mob Voy is one of my favorite features cuz it kind of brings a low power use but with a full readout. This entire screen has been completely redesigned for the Tick watch. Pro Five, all of the little watch complications, all of your heart rate, you can even program a compass into that low power screen. So all of your at a Glance stuff is this passive display before you have to fire up the ole. And the recent update has improved battery life. So we're now, we're running the Snapdragon W five plus Gen one, whatever we're calling these new chips from Qualcomm.

But it is noticeably faster. It's noticeably more per higher performance. But I think Mavoy has also done a pretty good job of balancing that against extending the battery life from the last generation. The Tick Watch Pro three series we're now running Android Wao s3, it's technically Wao S 3.5. I'm still very disappointed in Google's software strategy because it seems like Google and Samsung are on one tier where they're giving themselves better support for things like Google Assistant. And I think they're kind of quietly letting Mob Voy and Fossil struggle with the consumer issues of using a Qualcomm chip because again, the, the Pixel Watch and the Samsung Watch use these XOs SOCs, the Mob Voy and the Fossil using Qualcomm SOCs. And again, we're never gonna get a clear understanding of what's going on behind the scenes. Like no company's gonna break their developer NDAs or anything like that, but you, we do see it seems generally that the Samsung SOCs are getting better support from the company that makes this operating system.

So Mob, voy and Fossil feel like they're kind of being b teamed in this. And it, it, it's definitely been a challenge. Mm-Hmm. Interesting. I I think for a lot of smartwatch like anyone who was into Wear OS or Smartwatch fans, I think there's been a lot of frustration and a lot of resentment for both Fossil and Mob. Voy Fossil got war OS three on their watches sooner and it came with a lot of teething pains and you had to switch apps and you can look at the Fossil website, all of their Wear Os watches have these really angry reviews on them. And then you can look at the flip side where Mob Voy never updated the Tick Watch Pro three and they, you know, you see a lot of people are frustrated, like Mob Voy broke their promise, they said they were gonna support it and then we never got the update.

But if you look at a Pro three, it actually has more functionality than where os 3.5 on the Pro five Google Assistant is a little broken, but it's still there and it's still somewhat functional. The app the interactions and animations are actually faster in Wear OS two than they are in Wear OS three. And those, that that kind of, at a glance, that notification experience can be quicker on the older watch. So this, this is the, the, the frustrations I have aren't localized to just the manufacturer. I feel like Google now needs to do a better s job of supporting the partners that have always been with them because I, I know what they had to do to get Samsung on board. They had to give Samsung something special to get them to switch over from Tieszen. But if we want Wear OS to be a healthy platform of different watches and competition, this is where we need Google to kind of lead that discussion again.

And I'm really worried that they're kind of, they're kind of letting Mob Voy and Fossil take the brunt of their frustration from their customers. The watch itself is incredible hardware. This is what I'm gonna stick with. I've used the Pixel watch, I'm getting more than three times the battery life of a Pixel watch with even better health tracking without having to have a Fitbit account. I mean Mavoy has done so much right here and improved so well over their last generation. It's just a shame that that entire conversation I think is getting clouded by something that might not be totally within Ma Voice's control.

Jason Howell (00:37:34):
Yeah. And we, I mean we've heard from so many fans of Ma Voy tick watches it's

Juan Bagnell (00:37:39):
Frustrating. I mean, and I, and, and I think people should be frustrated, but I I I hope that we can, I think, I hope we can at least guide the discussion to see like where do we see trends? Because we don't see Mob Voy ignoring their watches. My Pro three is on war OS 2.42. It didn't launch with 2.42. So we know Mob Voy has been updating that watch. So it is getting support, it is getting attention, it is getting updates. It just never got that magical wear OS three. Right? So if we see those kinds of trends and those patterns of behavior and we see Samsung SOCs, which are not as powerful and use way more battery than Qualcomm SOCs <laugh>, yeah, yeah, yeah. We see Samsung SOCs get Google Assistant and Qualcomm SOCs don't get Google Assistant. I don't think that's the fault of the companies that are using those Qualcomm SOCs or at least not entirely, not as easy as it is to leave an angry comment on Reddit. Yeah, right, right. So many people, everyone's an expert

Jason Howell (00:38:36):
See through those layers though. Yeah, because

Juan Bagnell (00:38:38):
The semiconductor industry, right? Yeah, yeah. But, but this is, this is great hardware. I just really feel like moving into the next year, we have to expect that if you wanna watch that fits your style. Like if it's a fossil watch or it's a mob voy watch, if it's not kind of on the meta of what Google and Samsung are partnering, we almost wanna treat it like it's a different product line at this point because there is no unified wear os everyone has their own companion app. They, they got rid of the sort of support for the main Wear OS app. You don't have a unified system anymore. So really to me it's a little less precious. I I really feel people should look at the style and the hardware they want first and then look, well does this have this feature or am I worried about these updates or what about, you know, wear OS four s right around the corner and then you can kind of make your purchase purchasing decision from there. But just as a watch, I, mob Voy has always had my favorite hardware. I really love the battery life and the, the upgrades and improvements here are fantastic. So it, it definitely is still one I feel people should consider and should try to shop.

Jason Howell (00:39:41):
Excellent. Well folks can find your review published mere days ago, the Mob, mob Voy Tick Watch Pro five The most Powerful Wear West Watch. But what about updates? Don? What about it? Huh? What about

Juan Bagnell (00:39:58):
What about them? Question. Watch. That's how you get interactions on YouTube. Yes. Seo.

Jason Howell (00:40:04):
Yeah, that's right. Ask the question,

Ron Richards (00:40:06):
Prompting question for the audience to respond

Jason Howell (00:40:08):
To. Hey, we prompted a question last week about Pixel what was it? Pixel loyalty and we got tons of feedback. So questions work. Yeah. <laugh>. So there we go. Thank you Juan. Everybody should check out what what you do. Some gadget Over to you Ron.

Ron Richards (00:40:28):
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Jason Howell (00:43:33):
Thank you decisions also for sponsoring us here on all about Android. We appreciate you sponsoring with us, so thank you <laugh>. Alright so continuing on this hardware cavalcade the normal hardware, not the wearables anymore, although we'll get to that cuz there is a little bit more on that front, but not quite yet. We're back to tablets now because the big tablet news from this last week that you probably didn't hear or maybe you did is that Amazon upgraded its it to a biggest its big. Let me try that again. Agra am <laugh>, I can't even talk anymore. Chama interpret Girlfriend, <laugh> a gone, I kinda like that. Amazon introduced its biggest tablet yet. There we go. The Amazon fire Max 11. And it's interesting to talk about the fire max 11 following on the heels of the one plus pad review because in some ways it's similar.

I suppose it's 11 inch 2000 by 1,260 Hertz LCD display. So see you got the LCD but you got the lower refresh on this one. It is a media tech processor, but it's an MT 81 88 system on a chip, which is a much lower lower scale <laugh>, lower, what do you wanna call it? Ranking. not, not as nearly as performant. Let's just put it that way. Four gigs of Ram 64 gigs of storage. I think you can upgrade to 1 28 if you like a nine watt charge out of the box, which is very slow. It does have a fingerprint sensor on the side. It does have micro SD card expansion. So you get those things eight megapixel front and back camera. I guarantee you those are not very good cameras. $229 99 cents. So we know Amazon produces incredibly inexpensive hardware when it comes to their tablet line because they've got the whole content side of things that they're trying to to boost.

So they cut the cost on the hardware. So you'll hopefully buy a lot of their, you know, their, their content 2 29 is a far cry from 4 79 I think is what it was for the one plus pad is it for? Yeah, 4 79. So they're kind of in different categories entirely, but so there's that. But I think what, what also kind of brings it closer to what we were talking about. The one with the one plus pad or the accessories has a productivity bundle. So if you pay 3 29 99, you get the tablet, you get a keyboard case that again has the pogo pins and the magnetic attachment to to kind of, you know, attach it all together. It's a case no backlit keys similar to what the OnePlus pad has. I have no idea about the quality of the keys or, or anything like that on the, on the keyboard attachment, but there you go. And then it also has a stylist, which I saw very little written about <laugh>, just that it's there. So I imagine the stylist probably does little more than than act as if it were your finger. You know, probably does a little bit more than that. But anyways, that

Ron Richards (00:46:45):
Stylist sure is in that photo that we're looking at on the video here.

Jason Howell (00:46:49):
Here it is on the side, but it does actually magnetically snap to the side of the tablet. So similar to the one plus pad, you know,

Ron Richards (00:46:57):
That's gotta be table stakes now with, with styluses and tablets, right? Like once, once they started doing the magnetic snap on, like if your doesn't have it, you then, then you got a

Jason Howell (00:47:05):
Question. It's way better. I think it's way less expensive I'm guessing to do that than it is to house it inside of the tablet. You know, <laugh>, it's probably a lot more of pain in the butt to find a, you know, to, to fashion that in from a hardware perspective. Are you amazed Juan Bagnall at the fire Max 11? What do you think? Oh, oh, oh, we're, we're muted. Juan is muted. It

Ron Richards (00:47:27):
It, I mean it really does seem

Juan Bagnell (00:47:28):
Like less than half the tablet for less than half the price Yeah. Of a one plus pad or a Pixel tablet. And, and kind of to Ron's point, I worry in, in the reviewer space because tablets keep occupying this mind space of being the solution in search of a problem. And the problem is usually I wanna watch my movie on a bigger screen so people keep trying these really inexpensive tablets and then the experience isn't that great. I mean, it still plays the movie and you can kind of play a couple, you know, cheap mobile games on it, but to try and convey like, what is the experience of using this at like 2 29 versus using a one plus pad at 4 79? Yeah, it, it, it, that's a, that's a conversation of nuance. And, and like Ron was saying, I I, I wonder if we'll get developers on board if this is the year of tablets and the market gets flooded with these like sub $300, you know, mid pack $200 tablets. I feel like that in the long term can do damage. Like consumers are not gonna like these experiences and then you end up just sort of reinforcing why I guess you should only buy a iPad cuz they just work. You know, I, I don't know. I mean, like Ron, what, when, when you see something like this, if you were working with developers, how do we make software for that lowest common denominator kind of performance? Like how do we make a good experience for someone out of something this inexpensive?

Ron Richards (00:48:53):
If, if I had the answer, I probably would be making a lot more money. I know we'd be wait for industry. I mean, I, I appreciate your faith in my opinion there, but

I, I don't have the, the, the, the the crystal ball to figure that out. But but I, I, the, the funny thing is, is that I was, I was about to make a whole deal about how like, here we are, you're the tablet. Look even Amazon's getting into it, but like, honestly Amazon's been flying this flag along with Samsung longer than anybody really? And like, and the, and the thing is, is that like I, I'm, you know, being the parent of toddlers, you know, and having other friends and parents or toddlers, I see a lot of fire tablets in those kids' hands. I do too. You know what I mean? Like

Jason Howell (00:49:32):
I just saw at the airport actually, I saw tons of fire tablets in kids' hands. Yep. Because they are expensive and because kids are like, are, are, you know, prone to just drop and destroy things. So at least if they're gonna drop and destroy, and also kids really don't have high exp or high needs, right? Kids are just gonna watch something or play that really low low right. Effort, not effort, but games that don't require a lot of processing. That's what I mean.

Juan Bagnell (00:50:02):
My, my daughter's seven and now she's starting to get a little snobby about whether or for sure she can use daddy's steam deck. Love it. So <laugh>, it's, yeah, I, I, maybe I maybe did that wrong. I maybe you should have kept her expectations a little lower. But I, I, I feel like for Android, we've gotta make the good argument based on price, performance, practicality in the middle, because in, in my neighborhoods, it's like what you guys are saying. It's, it's either something really cheap and disposable, something they got from a carrier or a fire tablet, or there are affluent families in my neighborhood where those kids are on iPad Pros and there's almost nothing in between. Yeah. So the, the notion of like a four to $500 tablet seems strange. You either need the really high performance gaming, you know, pro tablet, or you need something completely disposable.

Hmm. And I think that's what Google is actually gonna have to step in and say like, here are good reasons where we've got a practical price to performance and it solves these issues. And I don't think we can let that conversation just go up for everybody's personal interpretation. I think we need some companies to lead the way and say like, this is what we're trying to do. I think Google's doing something smart with making their tablet into a smart display, into like a smart speaker, smart display. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, I think one Plus is doing something really smart, really focusing on stylists and keyboard. But it's gonna take a lot to get the message out there to consumers why we have these different options to do different things, and why in the middle of the tablet market it might make sense to spend some cash.

Ron Richards (00:51:33):
All good questions. I mean, all good points. All good questions. As we, just as we g as we enter this new frontier of tablets and tablet lands you want it to be a new Frontier tablet land so bad, don't you, Rob? I do. I really, I'm, I'm willing and I'm manifesting it, but you are. But, but in terms of manifesting, we can kind of switch gears a little bit and we can manifest the Google Pixel eight Pro as the, we're, you know, we're weeks away from io and now the rumors are starting up again. You know, it's, it is just time will, it's just a few, few short months until October when we get into the hardware announcements phase of Google. But so some rumors about the Pixel eight Pro that apparently has an additional sensor on the back for measuring temperature.

Oh, interesting. That's different. So this is, this is an IR temperature sensor. And you might remember that Dave Burke and Matthew McCullough from Google both said one of their favorite things about Android 14 is the Health Connect becoming part of the, of the os. Yeah. and so this could be an indicator of a Big 10 feature that taps into that. But if anything, it shows that Google doesn't, you know, they're trying new things in the phone designs themselves. And additionally, alongside the Pixel eight that we're expecting this fall the, the currently unannounced Pixel Watch two is expected to launch. And goo nine to five Google got some specs for the unannounced watch, which is, you know, which came first, the, the announcement of the watch or the specs. <Laugh>, you decided <laugh>. But so they, they say it's from the, the first Gen's EXOS Pro processor to a Snapdragon processor in the next version.

The W five oh W five plus Gen one is the one that launched in the Tick Watch five one. That could be the one. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. This would largely impact battery life on the wearable for the better. The Pixel Watch one was rated at 24 hours with a o D off. This update is expected to deliver more than one day of battery with a o d on. There you go. That would be a big deal. They'll have Si Yeah, it would be, yeah. And they'll have si similar sensors as the Fitbit Sensei, including continuous, continuous electrodermal activity sensor for tracking sweat secretion which is helpful for stress management tracking, which is what I would turn off if I had that watch. Cause I don't wanna anyone tell me how to stress them. <Laugh>. and again, this all could tie into the big reason why Android 14 Integrated Health Connect is something that people at Google are very excited about. Juan, what do you think of a of a te ir temperature sensor on our phone? Do you think the, the, the breadcrumbs we've laid towards Health Connector Correct. Or is there another usage that we're not thinking of?

Juan Bagnell (00:54:03):
Well, I, there's a part of me that wonders if maybe the initial conversations on these didn't start happening, sort of at the peak of the scariest part of the pandemic. Yeah. It seems like we know a phone can take like a year and a half to sort of build. Totally. And that was when we were all doing the, the initial like health tracking the virus spread tracking. Everywhere you would go, someone would like scan your forehead. Yep. Cause you were dropping my daughter off at school. Oh, yeah. But then there are other applications that we can use sensors like that for. So really, I just hope it's one of those things that if this is Google playing around with something, that's fine. We get it for a year. Maybe it doesn't really materialize, but I would really love to see them stick the landing on a feature like this and continue iterating and supporting it and making that unique to Pixel.

Yeah. And see if anyone else tries to copy them. Yep. For bringing that feature in. I, I had not caught that Pixel watch rumor if the Pixel watch gets this new chip, and maybe that helps shake up the relationship between Qualcomm and the other partners and getting Google Assistant working on Qualcomm powered watches. That would be a good get for Pixel fans. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> a Pixel watch powered by this hardware would be very good news. This is a, a very good chip to power a portable, so I'll be really excited to see if that's where Pixel Watch two goes.

Jason Howell (00:55:22):
Why is Google not, not creating its own processor for its wearables? That's so

Juan Bagnell (00:55:28):
Interesting. The, the, you would probably want to tap someone like Dr. Ian cuts. I, I rip off a lot of what I know about the silicon industry from Dr. Ian at Tech, tech Potato. But Google is really good at designing the framework and the machine learning components and honing the image signal processing the I S P on your camera hardware. But when you look at a tensor, they're using Samsung components for the individual cores, and then they're building sort of the neighborhood that those cores exist in. I don't think it'll be much longer before Google really starts looking at designing their own individual cores and components. I think we're getting pretty close, cuz the rest of this is where a, a pixel is really, really strong. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, like the machine learning hardware is phenomenal. The camera processing, the image processing is amazing. And I feel like they're kind of held back by using other people's CPUs and GPUs. So I think they're getting really close. And once that happens on like a phone, I think we're just a, a, a half step away from them looking at those indi individual components for wearables. And then that impacts everything. That impacts Pixel Watch. Right. That impacts Fitbit. That could be really cool.

Jason Howell (00:56:41):

Ron Richards (00:56:42):
And I don't think you're far off from there. I mean, it makes sense because you don't want to, you know, and Google Google's approach at least with harder, least with tensor tensor is like, dip their feet and, you know, dip their toe in the water, get some success, build up some stuff, and then move to the next thing. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, it's a slow and progressive path, but that's the path they're going until they cancel it all and, and, and stop the program <laugh>. But as

Juan Bagnell (00:57:04):
Google is want to do as Googles

Ron Richards (00:57:06):
Want to do. Yeah, exactly. So we'll see.

Jason Howell (00:57:08):
So <laugh> scooter racks in chat says, apply directly to the forehead. What was that brand there? There was a brand and

Juan Bagnell (00:57:16):

Jason Howell (00:57:17):
Yes. That's it. Pixel eight on, yeah. Pixel eight. Apply directly to the forehead, apply directly

Juan Bagnell (00:57:22):
To the forehead

Jason Howell (00:57:23):
With the temperature sensor. <Laugh> Good stuff. Yes. I'd be very curious to see Google stick to one of those fancy different, you know, features. Yeah. And maybe that one's accessible and generic enough. I say generic even though we haven't really seen that very much, but but it's, but it's a, it's generic more than, say a sensor in your phone that allows you to skip the tracks by waving your hands like this. Like that's just, I

Juan Bagnell (00:57:53):
Will still fight you on that, Jason. The, the, the, the Z camera was so good at waking the phone up before you were handling it. Yeah,

Jason Howell (00:58:03):
That's true.

Juan Bagnell (00:58:03):
You had your pixel popped up. I do

Jason Howell (00:58:05):
Remember that. Get you go reach your hand out to pick it up, reach for it. It was like already there. Yeah, totally. That's

Juan Bagnell (00:58:10):
True. Unlike an iPhone, you didn't have to lift it. It was already face unlocking before you'd even touch it. That's right. And I still feel like that was the primary and they tried that was the primary something else silly with it. Yeah. but, but I wish they'd kept it. It was just really expensive hardware to streamline one face unlock

Jason Howell (00:58:27):
<Laugh>. Totally. No, I,

Juan Bagnell (00:58:28):
I completely agree with you myself up on that. Yeah. Yeah,

Jason Howell (00:58:31):
I totally agree with you. It's easy to make fun of that technology for the silly other things it did, but I really appreciated the face unlock speed up, you know, it

Juan Bagnell (00:58:40):
Was so fast for face unlocks,

Jason Howell (00:58:42):
It was really great. It, it's like it knew you wanted to do that before you did. And so I thought that was handy. And then finally, as for Google's unreleased phones that didn't make it we probably on this show at one point at least, checking in on rumors leading up to the pixel fold release had talked about the possibility or the fact at one point use that in air quotes because no rumors are fact until they're proven <laugh>. But that there were two foldables that Google was working on, that the pixel fold was just one in a small family, that there was possibly gonna be a flip to go along with it. And sure enough, Google head of design for hardware products, Ivy Ross confirmed that a second foldable was in the works. They held it back because quote, it's not good enough yet.

It's not, you know, entirely clear if that means it, what is the yet mean? Is this a device that we're gonna see at some point? Is Google gonna come out with a flippable? If that was indeed what that phone was, I think it's interesting that the fold was the one that hit the market. Yet when we look at the example that Samsung sets, Samsung is much more much more successful from a sales perspective with their flip series than they are with their fold series. Probably part of that is the, the exorbitant cost of the fold versus the flip <laugh>. But the flip four accounted for 60% of its foldable sales in Europe versus the Z fold for sorry, the flip four accounted for 60%. The Z fold four accounted for 40%. So interesting that, you know, what, what would've happened if, if Google had released the flip before the fold? I, I think the fold is, is interesting, but the flip is probably the device that I'd be more likely to like actually pay money for personally. So,

Ron Richards (01:00:33):
I mean, it's, it is interesting because you, you, I, I'm, I'm with you Jason, but then I mean, people who, it's the reverse, right? Yeah. It's, I think it's literally 6 0 1 half a dozen is the other. Yeah. wa Juan, which form factor would you prefer from Google in terms of foldable

Juan Bagnell (01:00:49):
Man? See, I'm, I'm real torn because this whole year, for me, I know everyone's talking of tablets, but it's been a camera year, like all of the new exciting camera technologies, and we don't get those on flips or folds. Yeah, it's true. So I I I'm probably gonna slow play this year for foldables just because of the, the camera focus. But this is one of those crazy philosophical arguments, and I feel like Samsung did it right with the Z flip, because it is, it is immediately more recognizable as a phone that just folds in half and can be a little bit smaller in your pocket. And I feel it's only up to now, we're only just starting, like we've been saying with tablets this entire time. We're only just starting to figure out Android on a larger canvas. So a folding tablet that turns into an awkward and thick phone is only just starting to realize its potential.

Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, and we've got a ways to go mm-hmm. <Affirmative> in polishing up that experience. So I kind of feel like Jason, I, I feel like we're probably gonna be more successful impressing people making the statement, like Samsung said, the Z flip is a statement phone because that's more familiar mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, it, it's a phone, it does the phone things that we always expect it to do. Yeah. Now we've gotta win the hearts and minds. Well, what can you do with a larger screen? What can you do with a tablet? And why would you wanna fold the tablet up to put that in your pocket? So I think that's a bigger uphill challenge. I, I, I'd really, I mean, again, we'll never get the inside scoop on this, but I really, Google probably made the targeted decision to look at like Android 12 to 12 L to 13.

We're focused on this multitasking split screen. We're getting good information from Yeah. We're getting good information from Samsung and Microsoft contributing to the development of Android 13. I feel like that's probably why they focused on making their first foldable a tablet, and then maybe they'll come back and revisit it, because I don't think it's gonna be nearly as big a, a software challenge to come back and do a flip style phone because it's basically just a pixel and you add the extra little pieces of code to give you some of the fun features, like a flex mode style experience. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, but it's still a pixel. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, like, we know how to make that phone.

Jason Howell (01:03:04):
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Ron Richards (01:07:50):

Jason Howell (01:07:51):
<Laugh> and two outta three of these. I immediately thought of you, Ron, when I saw the headlines.

Ron Richards (01:07:56):
<Laugh> buckle up, my friends buckle up. So if you listened a couple of weeks ago, you heard me I, I had a, I had one of my patented rants about YouTube music and its integration of podcasts and

Jason Howell (01:08:12):
Podcast trackings, air quotes. I dunno if you can

Ron Richards (01:08:14):
Hear those figures swooshing through the air. I know. <Laugh>, exactly. But but, but Juan, I don't, I don't know if you know, but the, currently, right now, the way YouTube music handles podcasts is you need to make a video version of your audio podcast and upload that. Also known as just uploading a video. Sorry, <laugh> a video. <Laugh>. I, I know that feel though. I understand that feel. It drives me crazy. But maybe it gets better Rod. It gets better. Does it though? Jason does it though. Really? But I'm asking tell you, it gets better question that the worseness gets better. Like it gets the worse, gets more, I guess. So, so I've actually made my, my distaste for this known to some people I know at YouTube and had some conversations. So I I've, I've known that this is coming as several other people.

They've been, they've been, I've, I've took, I've taken part in like a, a product kind of showcase type thing through my work. And they shared the fact that they are going to add r s s integration, which is great. That's all we want. We're podcasters, we love rss. Give it to that, that while they've started a limited pilot preview with quote unquote key strategic partners. And this is how they've chosen to implement podcasts at rss. It's not the traditional route that we're all used to. It's not. But basically they, they only offer, they, I'm sorry, they don't offer pass through, meaning RSS is for ingestion only. So what it means is that you, you submit your RSS feed, YouTube music, ingest your file and your metadata from that. And then at that point, YouTube hosts the file, which means that your podcast host that you use does not get any data or statistics about how many people listen, or in this case watch that podcast episode.

So all they're using RSS for is for uploading the podcast to YouTube. Wow. Let that sink in for a second. Let that sink in. The other, the other, the other things about this actually make sense they require podcast uploading vs. RSS to not include to, to not include quote unquote regular ads. I e meaning feeds must have must be ad free. So if you have dynamic insertion or things like that, or like, or like prerecorded ads like Jason was just talking about it cannot have those, it needs to be the core source. No ads inserted feed, however, sponsored segments can be included if marked properly, which is similar to how YouTube works, right? You can't have ads in your video, but you can have sponsored segments and that sort of thing. And YouTube will crawl those RSS feeds every five minutes, which is just a waste of server resources. Cuz all you're doing is uploading an episode. Gosh. So for some reason it, it's like, I just don't understand. It's 2023. We've been doing this for almost 20 years. It is one of the few technologies and platforms that everybody agrees and everybody is committed to. This is how podcasts work. Rss. We've figured out the IAB has gotten involved. We've figured out dynamic andd insertion and YouTube. Just, they, they have to do it their own way. And it's, it just drives me bananas drives me absolutely bananas as a podcaster. This sounds

Jason Howell (01:11:35):
Really aggressive to me. <Laugh>, what do you think, Juan?

Juan Bagnell (01:11:39):
No, I, I completely share his frustrations. Cuz again, it's like we, we, we solved these problems. Yeah. And I don't know that Google's implementation of this is bringing anything to the table that is a benefit to the people who would want to sort of interact with their audiences. Google's, you know, sort of a priority. Whatever their algorithm is focused on has been an ebb and flow of frustration. When I got started, it was all about long form video. Then they wanted shorter videos. Now it's like shorts and reels. Now they're also trying to capitalize on podcasts. But when I would upload podcasts to my channel, that watch time would absolutely harm my metrics. And I'd get all the angry red down arrows. It is so frustrating trying to get a bead on what Google expects of all of the people that supply YouTube with content. And a move like this, like on its surface, that should be good. I can now integrate this. I can bring one service to another, hopefully overlap some audience. But again, with it being on YouTube's terms for stuff like this is just gonna create more work for me. Yep. And I'm not entirely sure what the benefit will be.

Ron Richards (01:12:50):
And, and that's the thing is that like ultimately have, having to have multiple sources to calculate and add up your views and your listens or your downloads or whatever you wanna do, is a nightmare. And basically YouTube's metrics and, and the things that YouTube does count are different than the way podcasts are, are counted or aggregated. Oh yeah. And so they're not gonna be participating in that. And so all those standards and all that stuff that we went through in the great data migration, anybody who's been a podcaster request 20 years about, I wanna say maybe like seven or eight years ago, watched their downloads. Like if you had a podcast that was getting 20,000 downloads within the span of like two years, it went from 20,000 to 8,000 because the IAB and all the ad agencies and the podcast host all colluded and got together and said, how can we, how can we advan, how can we give the advantage to advertisers and not to the actually independent podcasters?

Which, which is a whole other topic I could get upset about <laugh>. But but so now whatever standard that people, that podcasters that, you know, whatever, I'm, I'm a, I'm a disgruntled podcaster, didn't have a seat at the table. But and I don't like it when like 20 people get together and make decisions that affect my business. But YouTube won't participate in that, won't align with that, won't work with that, which is just frustrating. And it all boils down to the last rant I did on this, which is that YouTube music isn't actually using podcasts. All they're doing is using podcast content to feed what monetizes best on YouTube, which is video.

Juan Bagnell (01:14:16):
Yeah. Yep.

Ron Richards (01:14:17):
First and foremost, that's all it is. Yeah. It's another advertising business based decision on the shoulders of thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of podcasters who've been committed to this format for almost 20 years. So

Juan Bagnell (01:14:32):
The only silver lining I I can kind of point to is with Google making a move like this, which is gonna be frustrating and is gonna be more work for the actual content creators, it's at least Google stepping into an arena, which will prevent, I feel too, too, too, too much localization from companies that are all trying to corner podcasting. Yep. Like podcasting is this beautiful democratized open system of sharing content and subscribing to content. And it always makes me anxious when like Apple or Spotify or a player is getting a little too powerful in the space Yep. For how they can cut contracts with individual creators. Yeah. I feel like this is gonna be a massive pain for someone who runs a podcast my size. Like I do not run a large podcast. I talk about tech politics. That is not a super popular burning up is your niche content. But it's what I want to talk about. This at least prevents too much of a focus on one platform being sort of the def defacto podcast standard. Yeah. But it is, I i I I really wish Google weren't doing it like this.

Ron Richards (01:15:43):
Yeah. It, it, it's, it's that's a big Yeah. But it's a, it's at what cost are they doing it at? For sure. I don't know. You said like in the cousin of John in the chat was saying, how, how is what Google doing do compared to what Spotify does with their sort of podcast Wall Garden, you know, at least Spotify's playing in the confines of the podcasting world. Right. You can, anybody can take an RSS feed and add it to Spotify and have access to it and stuff like that. Right. It's, you know, it's just that Spotify is choosing to pump money into the likes of Joe Rogan and other people and driving an advertising network. And I will, I will completely and happily divulge, or what's the word or what's the disclaim or whatever that I earned money from Spotify, Spotify's advertising network. Like my podcast is monetized via their ad network and dynamic ads are fed into my podcast. You're other pod

Jason Howell (01:16:31):
You're other podcast. Yeah.

Ron Richards (01:16:33):
Yeah. My other podcast, not this one. My o my other podcast. I fanboy d doesn't do that way. So like, I'm happy to make that money. That's great. Guaranteed I'm gonna make more money there than I'm ever gonna make on YouTube mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, right. Because the, the, the economies of scale on YouTube to actually, cuz five bucks says they're not adjusting the CPMs on podcasts the way they should. Right. They're treating 'em just like videos.

Juan Bagnell (01:16:54):
Yeah. Yeah. So that's very true.

Ron Richards (01:16:56):
Yep. Yeah.

Jason Howell (01:16:57):
It's interesting what you said, Juan. It was a perspective that I hadn't considered where there's the encouragement for contact content creators to have their podcast on YouTube, but engagement with a podcast and, and the, you know, especially longer form podcast is gonna be way different than what you as a contract creator are targeting on a shorter form, you know, or review a 10 minute review versus a 90 to 120 minute podcast. Yeah. Just think of it's, I just hadn't considered how a podcast has the potential to completely wipe out or, or, you know, completely derail it, it

Juan Bagnell (01:17:35):
It skews excuses your metrics. Yeah. And, and I, I had to have that sort of reckoning with what little interaction I've ever had with like YouTube account managers and stuff was to, to basically just pull my podcast off of my YouTube channel. Yeah. Like there re it really wasn't bringing anything to me. Youtube's metrics were saying, Hey, this is like a failure of a podcast. And yet whenever I engage with people on other platforms, the podcast does pretty well, but it just looked bad compared to my other main YouTube videos. Yeah. Like the, the main focus of YouTube. So man, it's, it's this constantly moving target that we're always trying to adapt to and anticipate. And then Google really doesn't help you there. There's, there's no good strategizing unless you're one of those rare like, you know, multiple million subscriber kinds of channels. Like the outreach is, is very minimal. Yep. So a move like this, like, I, I really want to take Google on that step and give it a try and say, Hey, maybe I can bring my podcast the audio of it back to YouTube, but I don't trust Yeah. But I don't trust that it's not gonna harm my channel.

Jason Howell (01:18:39):
Yeah. Right. I will. It will it guaranteed. It will. It's so frustrating. So frustrating. Yeah. So, well I knew that would get you worked up Ron. I knew. And there there's more, there's more coming that that you can Well there's more coming. I know. Yeah, I know. But before we get there apple just released something to Android before. It's some, well some of its own devices. Sort of Apple Music Classical was released back in March, if you remember, for iPhone only at the time. This is like a version of Apple Music that is created around classical music. It's a kind of a different app entirely. Now the Android app is out and it actually came out before iPad optimization. It came out before the release of a Mac app and it came out before CarPlay support. So was that a win for Android or what I, I don't know.

But it's really not that impressive when you think of the fact that it's actually very similar to when Apple acquired Beats music. Apple had acquired Prime Phonic, which was the app that created a lot of this that Apple acquired and is kind of rolling that in that into the app itself. And so I think it's, it's one of those situations where Apple is replacing what was already there. They finally got their app going for Android. And so it's out. But you know, us Android people we're so beat down by Apple. We'll take anything, you know, we'll take, we'll take any wins we can. So you mean you don't have a CarPlay support, but we have an Android app Apple, so Yay. I suppose sort of

Ron Richards (01:20:19):
One step, one step forward, one and a half steps back, right? Like <laugh>

Jason Howell (01:20:25):
There we're. Okay. Oh man. Yeah. Maybe if there were like three, three people applauding, if you had that sound effect, you'd be like, yeah,

Ron Richards (01:20:31):
There it is. Well, in the other app news, my other favorite thing I was watching was the much ballyhoo launch of Max, the rebranded streaming service formerly known as H HBO O max. So last week I was enjoying it and this is just very, very funny and then I'll share what my experience with it was. So in changing it from HBO O max to Max, what they did was the shortcut button on some Android TV remotes that had the H B O max button in it are now broken. Because that button is hardwired or hard coded to specifically point to the HBO O Max app, which has been shut down. And as part of the rebrand, they did not just rebrand and re-update that app, they launched a new app, the New Max app. So if you were an HBO O Max customer, you had to uninstall the old HBO O max and install the New Max app.

Oh boy. But apparently those buttons on those remotes haven't been updated yet. Oh, I don't know. Even though they can update them <laugh>. I hope so. Cuz right now it's just a pointless button that does nothing. And this is just one example of the bumpy transition. I don't know why they launched a new app. I suppose it's because they changed the company that if you look at it was from a different developer and it might have been money, like a bunch, bunch of different reasons why they could do it. As far as I can tell the app is the same just with a different, you know, kind of cosmetic look and different content obviously with the discovery, discovery plus content. But what was funny was that when you open the HBO O Max app on the day it launched, it give you just a one screen saying HBO O max is done.

Go install the New Max app and you had to go install it. I did it on my phone, worked fine, I tried it on the browser, worked fine. I went to my Google TV and I uninstalled the HBO Max installed the Max app. How many times can I say the word max by the way, in this bit? <Laugh>? Max. Max. Max Max. But so I installed it, the Max app and did not work. It prompted me to create a password even though I had an active subscription and it worked on my phone, right. It, the Google TV app just thought I was a new user and just was giving me broken like st like style sheet, broken modal that like obviously did not pass qa. Like, I dunno what they're thinking. What I had to do was I had to go unsubscribe on Google play on the browser and resubscribe. And that's the only way it got the Google TV thing to work again. So damn, that was me. And I'm, I like to think I'm fairly tech savvy. Yeah. if that was me having those problems, I, I wonder how many people just, you know, bailed or didn't even bother.

Jason Howell (01:23:00):
Yeah, totally. So

Ron Richards (01:23:01):

Juan Bagnell (01:23:02):
That's rough. Yeah. I, and so thankfully on so on our Google tv on our Chromecast Yep. We installed the New Max app before we uninstalled the HBO O Max app. Ah, and it seemed to, to transfer us over. Yeah. but I had a lot of, I I nothing like what you were describing, but I had teething pains on my phone with it not recognizing my password switching the app on my phone. So I, this, this entire thing. Same. Same. I have no, I I cannot understand why we're looking at a completely, because it, it's like a completely different app bucket. Yeah. Even if you were changing the entire app, I don't understand why that couldn't have been an update process as opposed to a totally separate line of software. And I think this is gonna be very frustrating for a lot of people out there. Yep.

Jason Howell (01:23:55):
And the button, the button that does nothing. Button push it

Juan Bagnell (01:23:59):

Jason Howell (01:24:00):
Ugh. Stupid button buttons that don't work just,

Ron Richards (01:24:05):
Hmm. Yep.

Jason Howell (01:24:07):
It's worse.

Ron Richards (01:24:08):
That's the pro that's the problem with those hardcoded things and those, this is why, you know, like,

Jason Howell (01:24:12):
Yeah, this is stupid. Yeah. Don't, don't ever give me a button with a brand on it because at some point that button's going to, you know, there's gonna be a reason nothing. They're gonna change the logo and they're gonna be like, I know that's not the same Netflix logo as they have now. Like it's, or they're gonna change the functionality and then you can't do anything with it. Just give me a button that has a little like non-descript DOD on it and let me pick the app for that button.

Juan Bagnell (01:24:36):
Label buttons are just e-waste waiting to happen <laugh>.

Jason Howell (01:24:40):
Yeah, totally. Yep. Yeah. Yes. I blame you. Android TV or HBO O max. I don't even know who to blame at this point, but I blame something. I think you're

Ron Richards (01:24:48):
Gonna blame HBO Max. Blame HBO Max. Yes,

Jason Howell (01:24:51):
We but somebody, they're deserving. But, but somebody made the remote with the button and said, Hey, we need to find a brand to buy this button. So they're,

Ron Richards (01:24:59):
I still blame them.

Jason Howell (01:25:00):
You still blame the ones that bought it, not the ones that made it. I

Ron Richards (01:25:03):
Still blame the people on it. Yeah. It's their mess. They started, come

Jason Howell (01:25:06):
On the button.

Ron Richards (01:25:07):
Don't blame the poor remote, re remote maker. The guy who made the button. He's just doing what he is told. Oh,

Jason Howell (01:25:12):
That's true. That's true. Because they're

Ron Richards (01:25:14):
Like, yeah, what, what, what are they gonna change the at this point too? That's never gonna happen. Right? I mean, it's

Jason Howell (01:25:19):
Hbo, they're not gonna change anything. Like why would they not? They're not going

Juan Bagnell (01:25:23):

Jason Howell (01:25:23):
Doesn't make Yeah, they're not going anywhere. It's HBO <laugh>. Anyways, hey, we have an Android intelligence tip from our good friend, j r a Feel, and it is about this week an app that I'm not using very much if at all anymore cuz I moved to Spotify. But YouTube music, maybe you're using YouTube music. Here's some tips.

JR Raphael (01:25:44):
Greetings won and all. Hope everyone had a delightful holiday weekend. If you're here in the US and you were observing it, I don't know about you but me, I'm, I'm still a little sleepy. So today, why don't we keep it light and breezy, tackle some fun, simple, hidden shortcuts for rocking out to a warrant or Right. Said Fred, I don't know, whatever it is you listen to on your favorite Android device. So, okay. Google's YouTube music app is kind of the defacto default music service for Android these days, right? And yes, indeedly, it's got some sweet invisible steps, savers for your Android audio adventures. First, the next time you're listening to a track and CNN's cover art in the center of your screen, try double tapping on the left or right. That image, you never know it, but just like in the regular YouTube app, that action will skip you back or forward 10 seconds in whatever is actively playing next.

In that same part of the YouTube music interface, swipe your finger to the left or right, that'll zap you back or forward an entire track in your current album Q or playlist. And finally, from that same full screen playing view, swipe your finger downward. That'll take you back a step into whatever screen you were viewing within the app most recently. See I told you, short, sweet, and simple, but oh, so splendidly satisfying. Hey, speaking of which, if you love shortcuts as much as I do, don't miss out on my free Android shortcut super course. It's a week long e-course filled with all sorts of awesome Android sorcery, just tons and tons of tucked away steps, savers for practically every part of your Android using journey. Just head over to android intel net slash twit and scroll to the bottom of the page to get started and get your first lesson now completely free for you. That site again is android intel net slash twi. That's it for today. Time now to nap.

Jason Howell (01:28:05):
Where? Where's he going? <Laugh>.

JR Raphael (01:28:08):
I'll see you next week.

Jason Howell (01:28:10):
<Laugh>. Look, it was a long weekend. I know. <Laugh>. I used to, I felt, I felt that Sigh.

Ron Richards (01:28:18):
I'll give him, I'll give him credit for wearing a great sg t-shirt there. Yeah. Yes, I was, I

Jason Howell (01:28:25):
Was just gonna say that is some vintage interneting right there.

Ron Richards (01:28:29):
Well done. Well done.

Jason Howell (01:28:30):
Bring in the shirt game. I mean, he continues to do it. I I I'm starting to wonder like, okay, are these shirts that he always had or is he now like, feeling the pressure of like, well, dang, I wore all the shirts. I'm talking

Ron Richards (01:28:41):
About it. He said he is, he he is feeling the pressure. He's running out of the bank <laugh>. So not to not to go too far behind the curtain. I know JR won't, won't fail us, but we, we have discussed, but

Jason Howell (01:28:51):
You know what also JR don't feel like you need to like, feed the feed the bit like it's okay. You don't need to spend all your money on you wear a regular

Ron Richards (01:29:01):
Shirts. It's okay.

Jason Howell (01:29:02):
Yeah. You can wear regular shirts, it's cool. Or or you could start, I'll

Juan Bagnell (01:29:05):
Put it out there JR. Oh yeah. Cycle, cycle back through, cycle through. People can keep track. I bet you there is a novelty t-shirt manufacturer out there making the Good Geek, the nerd core t-shirts that totally, totally partner with JR. Oh yeah. He

Ron Richards (01:29:20):
Went deep on this, that there's a whole bunch. There's a whole bunch of Android and Google themed nerd t-shirts out there. I mean, unfortunately some, a lot of 'em on a red bubble, which isn't the, the, the best, you know, legally fabulous copyrighted you know, kind of one, but they Oh, those are out there for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

Jason Howell (01:29:36):
So maybe he needs a all about Android t-shirt, Jason. Yeah. Maybe

Ron Richards (01:29:39):
Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>. Yeah.

Jason Howell (01:29:40):
Are we sure he hasn't worn words mer yet?

Ron Richards (01:29:43):
I don't think he has.

Jason Howell (01:29:45):
What, what is it? TWIT tv. I'm trying to remember where our merch lives. It's

Ron Richards (01:29:49):
In the bottom. Wait, where is it? It's, it's

Jason Howell (01:29:52):
This is the perfect time to mention our merch, but I don't know where to send you cause I can't remember Twit tv slash store. If you go there, you'll find a bunch of twit stuff that you can wear. We still have a vintage, the Tech Guy shirt. Oh,

Juan Bagnell (01:30:10):

Jason Howell (01:30:11):
Yeah. That, that show is not around anymore, but that's okay. You can still buy the shirt. The ask the Tech Guys is still around. We don't have that up here yet. Maybe we will all about Android though. It's there. I see it. You can get a sticker, you can get a shirt, you can get a sweatshirt, all sorts of things. So go there Twitter tv slash com. Right

Juan Bagnell (01:30:30):

Jason Howell (01:30:31):
I'll take you there <laugh>. Thanks for reading my mind, Jason. Yeah. Okay, there we go. Yeah. You know, we haven't, we haven't plugged the store in a while, so that was a good reminder. All right, coming up next, we've got some wordy emails. And do we, we have a lot of wordy emails actually in in our email block this week.

Ron Richards (01:30:55):
It's a wordy show this week. And our first email comes from Tim Benson in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Good old Tim. And he writes in, he says, A request was made in episode 6 31 last week's episode for those playing at home about the possible reasons for why people would be leaving Pixel Behind. And I thought I would chime in and Jason, as you mentioned, this was the prompt that we asked in the show. Yeah. last week when we were talking about the brand affinity survey that went on and whether or not people would stick with the Pixel brand after having a Pixel phone. Yep. and so Tim goes on to say, my wife and I have Pixel six Pros and in March of 2022. Yes. Last year after performing a security update, both phones lost wireless charging.

Jason Howell (01:31:35):
Ooh. Okay, cool.

Ron Richards (01:31:36):
I, I followed all of the troubleshoot troubleshooting requested up to and including a factory reset on both phones. Nothing ever worked, but each time they would blame it on not having a Google charging stand prior to the update that broke our wireless charging, it worked in two vehicles, four wireless charging stands, and on four pieces of furniture with built-in charging. That's a lot of charging capability, Tim, in your life. And I'm very impressed. <Laugh>. yeah, multiple calls to Google and Google file without any luck except buy a Google wireless charging stand. Well, we finally put together some extra cash and bought one and guess what? Still doesn't work. So I call back and guess what? Now they say that they cannot do anything. Why? Because of course the phones are out of warranty. No, never once before. Did they ever mention warranty claims? When it was under warranty.

We have been on, been on Nexus and then on Pixel for years now and been on Google five for many years and we've been blown off first of that without warranty being an option. And now that it, now it isn't saying too bad your device is at a warranty. So all, all of, so all of that to say my wife is adamant that she's getting a Samsung next. I really wanna stay because of the pure Google experience, but I feel like I'm caving in and need to do my little part and send a message that, send a message message that this isn't right. If they treat longtime loyal users this way, how are they treating everyone else? Loyal to the brand has brought me nothing.

Jason Howell (01:32:52):
Oh my goodness. So Tim, no. Good, good.

Ron Richards (01:32:56):
That's a real bummer. And that's a real great example of customer service. And honestly, as much as I as imagine you, you've probably gone down this route and hate to do it, but like call them back and tell them, just be like, listen, this is what's happened. Your response has been X I'm now leaving your brand. And see what they say. Put 'em to the test, you know, if they really value, let them replace your phone. So

Jason Howell (01:33:18):
You know, Tim, you know what I can do for you, Victor. I'm just gonna say the words email of the week. Just, I'm just gonna say it. Wow. There you go. Wow. You, you also deserve email of the week, Tim, because Yeah, that is a total bummer. Google has never been really known for its support. And this is kind of an example of that. <Laugh>. Can,

Victor Bognot (01:33:43):
Can I also say that like, like Tim, I have wireless chargers around the house. Yeah. And if you put them in the right places, if you have like a teenagers and kids that have like both iPhones or no matter what kind of phone they have and it does wireless charging Yeah. And they don't have the cable. If they're forced to put the phone down, it's, it's a good way to get them away from the phone sometimes.

Jason Howell (01:34:10):
Oh. Example, put it

Victor Bognot (01:34:12):

Jason Howell (01:34:12):
That's a good point. The charges. If you got a cable, you can still plug it in and like, and still be lost in it, but if it's not, yeah. That's always

Juan Bagnell (01:34:18):
Been one of my cons for why I don't use wireless charging is, but then I can't use

Jason Howell (01:34:23):
My phone and I need to, that might actually come in handle. I like that. That's a very sneaky way to get the kids done. You can't

Victor Bognot (01:34:30):
Put it on a side table next to the couch. Right. Otherwise they're, they're hovering over it. Yeah.

Jason Howell (01:34:35):
They spend their whole time looking at the phone on the, on the charger like this,

Victor Bognot (01:34:39):
Maybe like on like, like behind Juan, how you have the cubby holes, like put it back there. They can't hover over it. There's

Jason Howell (01:34:46):
Something that they can't Yeah. They can't do much when it's on the wireless chart. That's, that's clever though. I like that. That is great. That's clever. Yeah. thank you Tim.

Ron Richards (01:34:55):
And I, sorry, Tim,

Jason Howell (01:34:56):
I hope Yeah, I'm sorry. And thank you. And I hope that that little interlude music is at least a little better back. It makes you feel a

Ron Richards (01:35:04):
Little better. And I just did a quick perfunctory Google search and it looks like other people were having this issue after the update in 2022. The Android 13 update. So some, there's something to your story. So I don't know. I would just call 'em back and just say, you're gonna leave. See what they say. If it was up to me, I'd say, no, here's a, here's a pixel seven, please stay. That would was what I do. Yeah.

Juan Bagnell (01:35:25):
Because I, I'll I'll say as a reviewer, I get a lot of that feedback and then I'll follow up with people and say like, but what did the manufacturer say? Yeah. And if there's any conversation with them, it's very minimal. And you're like, you, you wrote your, your, I I'm not, I'm not attacking Tim here, but it's like you wrote your life story in a comment on a YouTube video. There's no way the manufacturer is ever gonna to get a sense of Right. What this really was like without that last moment. And like, what Ron's saying that last follow up, I am leaving your brand. Yeah. And, and that's the, the, the critical piece of information that unfortunately I it, if it's just one person calling one center, it's probably not gonna contribute much. But if we really got consumers more active in that back and forth, I feel like manufacturers and developers would have a better sense of where these issues really are occurring with their products. Give,

Ron Richards (01:36:15):
Give them an opportunity to make it. Right. That's, that's what you know from a customer service standpoint as someone who, you know, like express your displeasure. And I'm sure you have, I'm not saying you haven't, Tim, it sounds like you've gone through a very frustrating kind of kind of path, but just like say it very clearly definitively that like I've had, I've opened a ticket with you, I've done the source of thing, you told me this, this is not, you know, I've been with you since Nexus, now you've lost my business and I wanna give you one last chance to make it Right. Oof. You know? Yes. Yeah.

Jason Howell (01:36:40):
All right. Thank you Tim. I have an email from Nate, by the way, if you have thoughts. That's the email address that you can send your thoughts to. Nate did that and said, I've been a pixel user since switching from the one plus three to the pixel three. I've since converted five family members over to pixel phones, usually an A series. And every one of them has upgraded at least one time from pixel to pixel and continues to use pixel phones. So this is on the other side, right In the beginning it was camera quality that converted me and many others to pixels. Photos still look great with a pixel, but not any better or worse than photos my friends take with their later model iPhone or Galaxy devices, which speaks to just how, how these things have really leveled out as, as far as photo quality is concerned.

We're seeing a lot of high quality photos, I think coming from a lot of devices. Nate says the superior spam call and text blocking is a game changer for me. Pair that with using the robot call screening for unload numbers that refuse to get the hint after you ignore their first call attempt and call you back immediately. And I cannot see using a phone from any other manufacturer. Thank you, Nate. That's the flip side. Would you agree that, that these cameras are just like, it's hard to, well, you were talking earlier actually, Juan, that that you're spending so much time on cameras right now mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, I'm kind of like been in this position of like, yeah, well, yeah, they all do pretty good pictures, but are you seeing differently?

Juan Bagnell (01:38:09):
So that's what's exciting it like I, I recently just posted another photo. This was like my worst reviewed camera of 2022 was the Moto Edge plus. And like if you can't get a good photo out of a moto edge plus then you are really a terrible photographer at this point. Like our lowest performing cameras are, are really good. But for what I've been trying to do is just expand the conversation to say like, if legitimately your experience is pull phone out of pocket, push shutter, put phone back in pocket, I still recommend pixels at the top. Yeah. I still feel it's the most streamlined. The most accessible. You're almost always

Jason Howell (01:38:50):

Juan Bagnell (01:38:50):
Do to

Jason Howell (01:38:51):
Picture out of it. Yeah.

Juan Bagnell (01:38:52):
Well, but also it's little things too. Like the viewfinder is less cluttered than an iPhone. The subject tracking is amazing. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> pixel subject tracking is maybe only second to a Sony. It is fantastic. And I think people don't always kind of take that ergonomics into account when they're thinking about photography. Like, I get the good colors on every phone, but as soon as you start pushing some of the other limits and boundaries and settings and modes, even if it's something like pull phone out of pocket, adjust your frame, tap on your subject, look at the background, look at your exposure, that's where you really start seeing some of the evolution on these other camera sensors and these other camera apps. Yeah. Make some really incredible images. But yeah, I I, there there's a reason why whenever you do a blind taste test on a very simple kind of pointin shoot sort of photo pixel, a series are almost always leading that even above Pixel Pros. The Pixel A series is perfectly honed for that kind of mm-hmm. <Affirmative> out-of-pocket touch shutter put back in PO Pocket.

Jason Howell (01:39:56):

Juan Bagnell (01:39:57):
Kind of interaction. Yep. Totally. It, it's, it's really, it, it's difficult to find anything that comes close. I,

Jason Howell (01:40:02):
It's, yeah, it's so good. I've been on the seven a for the past week now. I plan on doing my review next week, but I mean, no surprise, like the camera experience is excellent as I expected it to be, you know, from, from exactly the perspective that you're talking about. Like, it's pretty, pretty simple to get a really great photo out of it if you're just pulling it outta your pocket and, and shooting a couple of times. Like I've, I've gotten so many great photos out of it, so Yeah. Totally agree. Sure.

Ron Richards (01:40:32):
All right, well that brings us to our next email of the week of the week. We

Jason Howell (01:40:39):
Got two

Juan Bagnell (01:40:40):
<Laugh> of

Jason Howell (01:40:40):
The week. Of the week <laugh>.

Ron Richards (01:40:42):
Yes. Kevin Strader writes in and says, me and a childhood friend have been fans of Google phones since before the Nexus phones even. He had a G one on T-Mobile when we were in high school. And Kevin, you're making me feel very old. <Laugh>, I've had Nexus since the Nexus five. The four was missing lte. That's explains it. We've been using pixels since 2016. For the most part. The only time I've switched was from the Pixel three to the one plus seven Pro. When I saw the battery from pixel three to four was smaller with more battery hogging, things included, I wasn't satisfied with the Pixel three s battery being on Verizon and missing just physical support from Verizon. I switched back hardly to the Pixel five the next year. I almost switched to the iPhone in 2022. My Pixel five was showing US age.

And after the dumpster fire, that was the Pixel six series launch, I was bracing myself in the Pixel seven series to be similarly bad. Thankful it was much better signal wise. So my friend and I upgraded to seven Pros. I'm the more flamboyant one. So I went Hazel, I love this <laugh>. We both agree that with the Apple having adopted something very similar to call screening in the newest iOS update, if Google ever had a repeat of the six series disaster, we'll go to Apple. They also added camera profiles years ago that can emulate pixel photos. They've been slowly becoming more pixel like in the last few years. And vice versa. I say all of this to say that we are diehard Google fans that extends far beyond phones, but Google has betrayed our trust one too many times. If we can fathom switching, so can others with similar frustrations. And I gotta admit, this is the email of the week, but Kevin, you're all over the map here. You're all over the map. You're, you're, at one hand you're saying you are a diehard Google Lo loyalist, but no,

Juan Bagnell (01:42:21):
I, I think I see what he's saying though. Yeah, no, I I I think I get it because he's saying he is such a diehard Pixel fan that even he can imagine Yes, right. Some of Google's missteps convincing him to try another. So if someone were less of a diehard Pixel fan than he is yeah. That it would make perfect sense to him why they might wanna look at that. They would jump, you're right. His, his stream of conversational consciousness it was, is a little tricky to kind of untangle the thread of what he's trying to say.

Ron Richards (01:42:50):
But, and, and it, and it just goes to show that it just takes one thing that you rely on or you, whether it's battery life or whatever it might be, to have you look, you know, I might look next door, the one plus or might look next door at the Samsung or let me go across the street to Apple and see what they've gotten. Especially with Apple, you know, basically playing feature ketchup to Android after, you know, year after year. We're like, oh, there's another thing, there's another thing you're, and then introducing their own, you know, you know, kind of, you know, unique things here and there. It's fathom, it's fathomable for someone. And sometimes you just want change, right? You just wanna mix it up, right? Like one of the reasons why I like my, the Pixel seven so much is because it mixes it up. It looks different than other phones I've had and that scratches that itch for me. So it's, it mm-hmm. Everybody is fickle when it comes to these things though, so.

Juan Bagnell (01:43:38):
Well, and I think they should be, and, and I would like to see a little bit more while we still have some good competition out there, cuz that's always one of the drum beats on my channel is to say, like, if you're looking at these kinds of features and you say they really care to you, that you really care about them, you know, there's a phone that does that and it's like specifically built around that and you can get the perfect fit for your needs as opposed to, well, but I've always bought this brand and we want to be careful because we like familiarity, but we don't want to get so entrenched or so locked in that then, you know, we're stuck and that we can't ever possibly do anything else. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> or that all manufacturers just start kind of copying the same choices.

Like, I really don't like how, how many Chinese phones are copying apple's split notification shade. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, I think that's a bad thing to copy. I think it's bad software design, but they're looking at what's really successful and what works for iOS fans and they're trying to emulate what I think is a, is a bad piece of software. So as, as long as we can kind of keep moving around and we can kind of say, Hey, I really want a phone that can do this, there's a phone that can really achieve that, then we end up with the best sort of vibrant landscape of competition and options for people to to get what they need.

Ron Richards (01:44:51):
Yep. So it's interesting. So Jason, we, we put the call out. Yeah. We got several responses here. Do you, do you feel satisfied in your question, <laugh> just understanding whether people, you know,

Jason Howell (01:45:03):
Well, I mean, there were even other emails that didn't make it in. We got a bunch of other emails that were you know, that were talking about this and I'm kinda looking through to see.

Ron Richards (01:45:14):
But I guess I guess as a sample, as a sample size, you picked three. Yeah. You picked, you picked these emails that, that kind of give a good array of response. Sure. Would, did, did anyone dominate the other ones that we got? Was it just like overwhelming with people who would, who would like Yeah, I'll jump in a second. Or people saying that I'm more,

Jason Howell (01:45:30):
More it was pretty even, you know? Yeah, yeah, it was, it was pretty, yeah, I'm

Ron Richards (01:45:32):
Trying to think.

Jason Howell (01:45:33):
Yeah. I see that, I don't know, I don't know if the report, you know, the, the, the, how the report collected its information, you know, whether it was truly representative. I do think that there is an undercurrent and actually the, the last email kind of, you know, spells us out in the end about being betraying their trust one too many times. And I think as a, from a brand perspective, Google has done that, not just with its phones, but in a number of different ways. And even, yeah, people who are so, you know, brand loyalists, whatever that means, are starting to kind of hit that point. And I think that's, that's bad news for, for a brand. And I, Google is not immune to the to, to what happens, you know, in light of that. So I think, I think that the responses that we got from people in regards to that report seemed to kind of spell that out. You know, I, I love Pixel, but this happened and I gotta say at this point, like, yeah, I would consider it cuz that happened. And I think that's pretty representative and that appears to be what the report was saying. So yeah, I think I'm satisfied with that, although we'll probably hear from more people and it's okay if you still have opinions on this, let us know. Aaa, twit tv and thank you Kevin for being the email of the week.

Kevin and Tim. Sorry Nate. Yours was really great too. There you go. That one's for you Nate. Okay. <laugh>, we've reached the end of all about Andrew. It's been a lot of fun and Juan, it's been a great time hanging out with you. Yeah. for a change, not, you know, swapping us out for each other, but some gadget where, what do you wanna leave people with? What do you want people to know?

Juan Bagnell (01:47:26):
I, I mean the, we've got a lot of fun stuff coming up. I've been all over the place with phones and tablets and computers and batteries and outdoor tech and e-bikes and, and it really is for, for all of the headlines that have been coming out about like, oh, this downturn in phone sales. This is a really good time to kind of reinvest in the kit that you already own. And so those are a lot of the conversations I'm gonna be trying to have over the summer where you've probably got a, a computer in your pocket that is more than capable and maybe there are just some fun things to explore you hadn't thought of doing with it before. And, and I think, you know, anything we can do to kind of keep tech outta landfills, these are the kinds of conversations I'm really gonna be focused on and, and sort of fixating on. I'm hoping, I was hoping to be able to make an announcement on your podcast, but unfortunately I can't. But I am working and I'm talking to another outlet about maybe joining their team and doing a little expanded coverage Cool. For, for like buyer's guides and and, and like fun tech. And again, this sort of outdoor and accessory conversation, but I can't say anything just yet. So stay tuned. Hopefully I can say something soon about a future collaboration that I think will be a lot of fun.

Jason Howell (01:48:38):
Right on. Well, thank you. Definitely everyone stay tuned to Juan for that. And yeah, let's do this again sometime, Juan, this is hell.

Ron Richards (01:48:46):
Yeah, definitely.

Jason Howell (01:48:47):
Yeah. What about you Ron? What do y'all wanna lead people with?

Ron Richards (01:48:51):
Yeah, just follow me over on Twitter and Instagram at Ron xo where I post occasionally. And go check out Corbit if you're in a pinball. It's in the Google Play Store. We just released an app update fixed a couple bugs over the weekend so plugging along, keep track of your pinball scores or score bit,

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