All About Android 627, Transcript

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Jason Howell (00:00:00):
Coming up on All About Android. It's me, Jason Howell, joined by Ron Richards and Huyen Tue Dao. And we have a lot of news in this week's episode. That's normally the case, but this week it feels extra, so you're gonna enjoy it. We have Google Authenticator finally doing Cloud Sync. Finally, so many people are gonna be super happy about that news. BMW supporting Android's Digital Car Key Technology, that's kind of neat. Oneplus Pad. We get pricing and availability on that. You're not gonna have to wait too long. And we kind of talk about how it compares to the Pixel tablet. It's just an interesting tablet time right now. Reddit ceases its free API access. What is that gonna do to free Reddit apps on the Play Store? I tell you what, it's gonna mess with their day. That's what, and your feedback. And so much more. Coming up next on All About Android!

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Jason Howell (00:01:03):
This is All About Android episode 627, recorded Tuesday, April 25th, 2023, A Bounty of Bezels. This episode of All About Android is brought to you by Decisions. Don't let complexity block your company's growth decisions. No code rules driven process automation software provides every tool needed to build custom workflows, empowering you to modernize legacy systems, ensure regulatory compliance, and renew the customer experience. Visit to learn how automating anything can change everything. Hello and welcome to All About Android, your weekly source for the latest news, hardware and apps. It's like I need a third hand with a pointer finger to like swoop in. Which,

Ron Richards (00:01:51):
Which wouldn't be creepy.

Jason Howell (00:01:53):
That would, no, that would be weird. That would be fine. For next week's episode, I will arrange for Burke to be back there to go like that or something. <Laugh>. No, I won't. That would be really weird. I'm Jason Howell <laugh>.

Ron Richards (00:02:06):
And I'm Ron Richards, back in the chair. <Laugh>. And

Huyen Tue Dao (00:02:09):
I'm, I'm Huyen Tue Dao.

Ron Richards (00:02:11):
Yes. Yep. I'm still here,

Jason Howell (00:02:13):
Still still doing the thing. That's sometimes a little weird when we start this show <laugh>, but always a good time, especially when I'm on with the both of you. Although I have to say, so Ron, you were missed and I had a great time hanging out with just, just the two of us did show last

Ron Richards (00:02:29):
Glad Week. Yes.

Jason Howell (00:02:30):
It was a lot of fun.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:02:32):
Mano y Mano... Wait, is that, is that right?

Jason Howell (00:02:34):
That works. I mean, it works for me, I guess Mano

Ron Richards (00:02:37):
A woman-o?

Huyen Tue Dao (00:02:39):

Jason Howell (00:02:40):
Umo. The,

Ron Richards (00:02:42):
The twofer, the twofer episodes are always nice. Those are when you get like, kind of just two people on the Yes, yes indeed. I will say that that as I was walking the streets of Disney World last week on Tuesday, I did have a nagging feeling that I was supposed to be somewhere. Yeah. And I was like, oh, write the show. Right? Like, like it's so ingrained now. Like if I'm not on the show on Tuesday nights, like it's like, it's almost like a muscle memory. Like, wait, I'm supposed to be doing something. Like I feel like I forgot something. Yeah. What's happening? I, I sense the disturbance in the

Jason Howell (00:03:09):
Force. I need to be somewhere. Oh wait, I need to be at Thunder Mountain. Is that one of the roller coasters? It is

Ron Richards (00:03:15):
One of em. Okay. Yeah. I, I didn't, I didn't

Jason Howell (00:03:17):
For, for a second there. I thought maybe I was like conflating or, you know, mixing up two different theme park names for, for roller coasters.

Burke (00:03:25):
Ron, were you there when the when the, the ride caught fire?

Ron Richards (00:03:29):
What I was, I was not, that was in Disneyland and I was not Oh, the ride and a ride did not catch fire. The a a prop in the sh in the nighttime show got fired,

Jason Howell (00:03:38):
So. Oh, okay. See, this is how fake news spreads Burke.

Ron Richards (00:03:42):

Jason Howell (00:03:43):
See you, you were, you were caught flat-footed little did you know that Ron though, he doesn't do a podcast that's all about Disney theme Park news. I mean, he could, based on what he knows

Ron Richards (00:03:55):
About them, I could

Burke (00:03:56):
A a how you intend for the, it has to be malicious.

Ron Richards (00:04:01):

Burke (00:04:01):
Yeah. I'm not malicious in this sense at all.

Jason Howell (00:04:04):
That's true. Sure. That's true. Yeah. Not in this sense. Not in this sense. We'll give you a pass this time. Well, it's good to have you all here. It's good for you to join us. Welcome to our our comfortable living room. Go ahead, have a seat. Pour yourself a cup of coffee. Maybe a, a tea. If you wanted orange juice, that's okay too because a lot of people listen to this in the morning. Whatever you're drinking sit back and relax, enjoy it. And let's get into the news.

Burke (00:04:34):
Oh, all I gotta say is I'm so on this whole ChatGPT bandwagon, the second I could write and speak. Yeah, my Android news bits.

Jason Howell (00:04:42):
Oh man, I can't wait. Personally, I can't wait to see what ChatGPT does when you do that, are you going to like train it on your previous news bumpers and then,

No. Wait,

Burke (00:04:57):
That would be not there. What would the point be?

Jason Howell (00:05:00):
<Laugh>? Yeah, I don't know. Maybe you could train it on Brian Burnett's or, or Chad or

Burke (00:05:06):
No, that I don't believe we're gonna have any training involved because I don't really have anything good to train it on.

Jason Howell (00:05:11):
Okay. All right. Where maybe we just let ChatGPT be ChatGPT I mean, that's all robots want anyways, is just

Ron Richards (00:05:18):
Let ChatGPT, be ChatGPT, autonomy. Just let it listen. Sometimes you just gotta let somebody be themselves and you gotta let ChatGPT be ChatGPT.

Jason Howell (00:05:26):
Well, that is really, it's weird to hear that ChatGPT B ChatGPT. Let's, it's just a lot of letters, man. <Laugh>

Ron Richards (00:05:34):
Let's talk about Android.

Jason Howell (00:05:36):
Okay. All right. All right. We're, we're dancing around the news here, <laugh>. I think this is pretty cool. This is certainly news that a lot of people have been waiting for because we've talked about two factor authenticator apps in the past. Definitely on this show. I use Authy. I don't know if I'm supposed to out myself with, with that kind of information from a security standpoint, I, and I've used it primarily because it makes it easy because of its cloud syncing to like switch from device to device. And, you know, I use a lot of devices and so that keeps things easy for me. Google Authenticator, I probably would have used it if it had cloud connectivity cuz it's a little closer to the Google thing. But they haven't had it. Meanwhile, Google Authenticator has been around since 2013, I believe. So a very long time to not have this feature highly requested. And what am I getting at? Well, they finally added it. Two factor authentication codes now sync with the Google account. And it is actually pretty cool because when you set up a new device, once you log into that new device, the authenticator will be automatically set up with your account as well. So kind of makes,

Ron Richards (00:06:44):
Which I gotta admit as, as some, as somebody who uses Google Authenticator, and every time I get a new phone, I have to go through the process of migrating my Google Authenticator codes and Oh yeah. Accountants to the new phone. Right? And it's not a, it's not a bad, honestly, it's not a bad process. You just need to have both phones and it opens up a QR code, you scan, you open up a QR code on the old co on the old phone, you scan it with the new code and it's added. But account syncing and clouds, you know, cloud management stuff like that would be, would be welcome as an authenticator user. So, and we, we, we, we went, I feel like earlier this year, Jason, we had the 2fa, the, the, the six weeks of talking about 2fa and everybody promoting Authy because of this function. And, you know, the only defense I had for Google Authenticator is that I've been using it for years and it's the one that I've got all them loaded in just being too lazy to migrate everything to Authy. Sure. so now I don't have to. Yay.

Jason Howell (00:07:38):
Well, and you know, you, I think it's a val a very good point that you point out it is not incredibly inconvenient. Like if it's as you know, as much as pointing, you know, a QR code and bloop your accounts are there. Great. Where this becomes a really big deal is if someone steals your phone or you lose your phone and that phone has all of your authenticator, your two-factor authenticator codes via Google Authenticator on it, and there's no syncing out of it. You have to go through great lengths to kind of get there. Again. You know, you could actually find yourself in a really bad situation very quick. So that's, it's kind of surprising to me that this hasn't happened sooner. Burke, you were, you were definitely slightly hinting for the video viewers the headline or the subhead on the Verge article that mentions, you know something like this greater, you know, convenience comes added risk. And that is of course the truth, right? The easier, you know, when, when you intermingle security and easier to use, you're usually kind of reducing the layer of security or reducing the amount of security you have when these convenience features are added in. But, you know, it's, it's always a balance game. Like, are you willing to, to take on a little bit more risk in order to keep these things a little bit more secure or a little bit easier to access down the line? So

Huyen Tue Dao (00:09:05):
Yeah, that's always a thing with these kind of systems where the more convenient it is, especially with kind of syncing, it does end up kind of reverting back to a single point of failure. So if someone can break into a Google account mm-hmm. <Affirmative> muy Malo, but you should be taking extra steps anyway. And we've, you know, we've talked about some other kind of Google account, like issues where you should just kind of maybe just reevaluate your Google account you know security and make sure it's super, super tight. So just since we rely on them for everything also in this article it says that account syncing is indeed optional. So if you're feeling like you don't wanna, if you, if you are okay with like the manual process and you wanna don't want, don't wanna add that added risk you, you still, you don't have to, you can say no thank you.

Jason Howell (00:09:47):
Good point. No thanks. Yeah. And you better say thank you cuz these are, you know, at the end of the day it's robots and we want to set ourselves up for a soft landing later. Yes.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:09:56):

Jason Howell (00:09:57):
So yeah, be nice. Thank you.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:09:58):
Robot over Lords, <laugh>. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>.

Jason Howell (00:10:01):
So yeah, that's good news. I know it's gonna make a lot of people happy. We've heard about this. I've, I do, you know I don't know how many emails that we've gotten throughout the years about this, like cloud syncing 2FA and Google Authenticator issue. So we won't be getting those emails anymore apparently. That's okay. There's other things to email us about, like maybe using your phone as a key for a car that's just a random split second. I mean, on the, on the point thing that I'm throwing out there with no real reason high in

Ron Richards (00:10:31):
The sky. Yeah. Kind of like, oh my God, wouldn't it be cool if type thing or, you know, like I, they'll never be able to do it.

Jason Howell (00:10:37):
Yeah. Anyways, it, so let's move on to the next story that has nothing to do with what we just said, <laugh>.

Ron Richards (00:10:43):
Because BMW is actually bringing car key support to Android and it's utilizing uwb on hardware that supports it. It's called digital Car Key Plus and support for pixel and Galaxy phones running Android 13 to start. And this is a direct quote. It says, the vehicle can be programmed to lock or unlock as the customer approaches or walk away with their device just as a conventional vehicle key with comfort access functionality. The orchestrated welcome light display and light carpet also function as with the physical key depending on the vehicle, vehicle equipment. And it's currently supported on BMW's produced after November, 2022. And now before you freak out over this, they're already doing this with key fobs, right? Like, so it's not like this is some like, it's like, oh, well what if somebody gets your phone and they can get into your car? What if somebody gets your key fob they can get in your, it's the same ING thing as far as I'm concerned. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So <laugh> it's like, I think this is really cool and neat. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So but I don't have a bmw so when when they bring it to Subaru, I'll be, I'll be paying attention.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:11:47):
I really appreciate you heading that off, Ron. Like, Hey everybody, slow your roll. There was, this is already kind of a thing again, with security and having a thing and keeping that thing safe so that your things don't get stolen. I wanted to kind of insert the word thing in there a few more times, but Yeah, totally. Good point. And this is kind of cool. I wouldn't mind that for other cars. Yeah. Just because, yeah, I always have, I mean, if I tap to, because imagine like, imagine the workflow of like, you get out your car, you lock your car, you unlock your car, you know, like we'd have to pay for like a lot of things now. So it just seems like to make sense that now I can use my phone to unlock the car. I love it.

Jason Howell (00:12:20):
So, so last year we, we got a Tesla, I don't talk about it very much. There's, there's like a, the small layer of shame that, because this was before the Elon Musk stuff went, went full throttle. Do, do

Ron Richards (00:12:33):
You need a, do you need a top hat and a, do you wanna twirl your mustache and your mind? I, I've

Jason Howell (00:12:37):
Point, I I've got a point. Okay, <laugh>, I didn't realize that. I didn't realize this cuz it, you know, I didn't known a Tesla before, but they do with the app. It unlocks your car, but it doesn't use ultra wide band. It uses Bluetooth. And so I'm hoping that with this, with Uwb it's better than it is with the Tesla using a Bluetooth. Because every once in a while, like in my drive, in my flip and driveway, I go out to the car and you, you know, expect it to unlock and it's locked. And I sit there for like 30 seconds, like, okay, unlock the phone, launch the Tesla app, make sure that it's connected to Bluetooth, tap the unlocked button and then eventually like you go beep beep and it unlocks and it's just kind of annoying. So hopefully, okay. So it doesn't do that.

Ron Richards (00:13:25):
And imagine how quickly you could be in the phone if you had just a piece of metal cut in the shape of a key that went in the little

Jason Howell (00:13:31):
Spot. Yes. Yeah, that's true. But you can't even do that in Tesla. They give you a card, they give you this black card that

Ron Richards (00:13:37):
Goes, yes, I've used the card. Yeah. You know, they're so afraid of losing it. Oh

Jason Howell (00:13:40):
Yeah, exactly. But it's, it's all the way in the wallet. And then I just get mad cause I'm like, no, I shouldn't have to use the car. Damn it. The phone's supposed to work.

Ron Richards (00:13:48):
I, I went to a wedding in Joshua Tree a couple years ago and I flew out to LA and then my, one of my best friends lives in LA and he has a Tesla. So we all drove out on his Tesla and then he was in the wedding party and I wasn't, so it was like, oh, can you take the car and go do this and go get all this other stuff? And just handed me the key card and I was just like, what am I supposed to do with this? It was like, oh, you just, you hold it up to the door to open it. And I was just like, oh God. I was just like, this is like, just gimme a key. Yeah, please. But I will, I will say, you know, having the key, having the, the comfort, whatever they call it, what do they call that? Comfort, accessibility or whatever it is. Comfort access functionality. I mean, I do have a Subaru and I just walk towards the car and it beeps and unlocks like, cuz it knows, it detects me. So like there is a way to make this work and balance and not be so dependent on the technology. And if anybody's gonna figure it, figure it out, B m W will. So,

Jason Howell (00:14:39):
Yeah. Yeah. And you know, these are also connected vehicles. Yeah. I know that Tesla is, I'm assuming the b m BMW is, so if someone really did, you know, get my phone, get into the vehicle and go somewhere, there are ways to track these things, you know, <laugh>, so Yeah. I mean cameras and not that that's the best, you know, kind of solution, but Yeah, exactly. There's a lot of technology in these things now, including tracking, wearing their, where they're going. So anyways, if it's the future, it's the future. It is when it works. In my experience, when it works, it's actually really great. And I'd say like 85, 90 per percent of the time it works just that 10% of the time when I'm standing out in my driveway like a chump with my phone, Ooh, why isn't it unlocking? It just feels dumb, you know? But anyways so yay. There you go, bmw. Good job, <laugh>. And now a different direction. We're gonna veer off into a new lane and go in the direction of crashing apps.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:15:39):
Oh wow. Okay. yes. So crashing apps much, much, much, much, much more safe than Crashing car. There's not a segue there. Yeah. yeah, so crashing apps very often, not all the time, but very often if you have an app crash, hopefully a, the, the lovely friendly dev behind it has already gotten a fix out for it, but you may not know about it. Well, in this case, Android and specifically the Google Place store now has a new feature that is supported on Android seven. That's New NuGet, that's nga, NGA NuGet, Android NGA and above, where if you have an app crash Google Place Google Play Services, or I presume, or Google Play Store rather, will be able to detect if there is an update available, and it will actually send you a message kind of prompting you to try the update in response to the crash.

And this actually is super valuable because very often, I mean, developers become very, very well aware, very, very quickly when people are unhappy about crashes. And we usually I like say most, most tabs are trying very hard to fix that. And then the problem just becomes communicating that the f fix is available. So this is actually super awesome, and the fact that it is available all the way down to Android seven a p i 24 25 for my Dev fm is pretty awesome. Presumably it's because of Google Play Services, because it updates independently. But yeah, I mean, just something that will give you hopefully more options when you get a crash instead of just, you know, crying or cursing. Hopefully if there is an option to update, and hopefully if your neighborhood friendly dev has created a fix you will be prompted and you'll just kind of be on your way, hopefully to a more crash free experience. Hopefully. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:17:22):
The but yeah, the popup, yeah, I, I think you specified this, but just to kind of punctuate the, the popup only appears if there actually is an update waiting, right? Yes. Which is really great because like, you know, when I, when I have an app that crashes, I don't automatically think, oh, maybe there's an update that fixes this, but that fix might actually be in that update. Yes. So it's a great kind of reminder for someone to just hit the button, boop, and, you know, maybe that ends up fixing the problem and they can move on with their, and it saves you, the developer from receiving all of that feedback or those email, those angry emails after the fact. So yeah, I think that's a, a great little feature. You know, kind of one of those kind of seemingly minor quality of life improvements to the OS that could have a pretty big impact on, on the user experience and on the developer experience.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:18:11):
Oh, it's, it's kind of crazy. Why, why there's, why is there this gap in communication? Because so many, so many times we, we will see like a one star review. We know that the, the crashes are bad, we'll do our best to fix it. And of course, you know, we, we cannot communicate directly with that person and be like, Hey, can you update? And we just hope that, you know, between, you know, presumably marketing, if you're lucky to have it on you know, at, at, at your job or you know, that, that they, that people just check for updates. But understandably, actually, when I have, I, I know even when I have an app that crashes, I don't really actually check the play store for updates. So that's always been a gap. I don't know why. It's just brilliant. This just just makes so much sense. And I don't know why we didn't do this before, but Yeah, totally, totally. Very, very, very often the first thing that if you contact your dev will do, they'll say like, are you up to the up to up to date, the latest

Jason Howell (00:18:59):
Version, right? So there we go. It's like the patented, did you turn it off and back on again? Turn it off and

Huyen Tue Dao (00:19:03):
On again.

Jason Howell (00:19:04):
I did Act for World. Yeah. So there you go. Running the most current version of the app. No, start there then let me know. You know, it's Yes. Kind of first and foremost mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. So yeah. Good stuff. Happy to hear it. All right, let's take a break and thank the sponsor of this episode of All About Android and then we will get into some hardware news. This episode of All About Android is brought to you by decisions. Decisions gives IT and business experts, the tools to automate anything in your company. And it's all within a no code platform. So you aren't required to understand the complex syntax of code. In order to make these things happen, decisions is proven to fix any business process and prepare you to withstand economic uncertainty. Recession resilience requires a deliberate management of resources and the flexibility to adapt at a moment's notice and the decisions.

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We need more drama. This show. I would more, I would like to add, I would like to add a little reverb to your mic if we can take Yes, please. Have a little echo. A little, yeah, a little tr Now it's time for hardware. I think. I think if we can just get Jason, like one of those like a foot pedal effects unit. Yeah. Could I get a concert, a guitar foot pedal, multi effects unit, six different push buttons. Probably could. I think I know some that stuff. <Laugh> s that guy right there. I think that's, yeah, probably me. I probably have those at home. You, you don't act. I know. That sounds really cool, Ron. But you don't want that. Not on a podcast. I know.

Ron Richards (00:23:48):
Not really. I know, it's true. It's true. It would be cool to watch though. I mean, if we could make the podcast more, more like a Motley crew. <Laugh>,

Jason Howell (00:23:55):
Yeah. Maybe I'd have like a, a digital turntable. So every once in a while we'd say something and I'd like, can we pick the, what the Exactly. Start crying. Wait, no. We need

Huyen Tue Dao (00:24:03):
To put the, the whole desk on that rig was, wasn't the drummer Motley Crew? Didn't he have

Jason Howell (00:24:08):
Rig? What was that go? No, that was Def Lepper Leonard Skinner flapper. That was Def Lepper, my bad. The, the floating drum drum rack that would go upside down and everything and Yeah. Yeah. My bad. We could do that on here. We've totally got the room. And I know that Burke has nothing better to do than to build something like that, right? Burke? Oh, I'm totally on it. Okay. <laugh> like second shot, top priority. I know we've got Google io coming up here in a couple weeks, but this is priority. I don't know about rotating. Yeah. Okay. Well, you know, anyway, we'll start tomorrow. All right.

Ron Richards (00:24:39):
Well, let's talk about something Android specific. That's interesting. Okay. because I think high on our list of things that we've wanted has been a, a pixel foldable. Correct. I mean, that's, so, you know that that's something that, that I know we've been talking about, Jason, I feel like Jason Winn, we've been talking about for the past year of the rumors of pixel foldable and all that sort of stuff. IO is a mere two weeks away. Speaking of which, Jason, we didn't even mention. I'm happy to report to everyone that I will be at Google io this year for the first time. My, my return after eight years, I will be there in Mountain View with Win with Jason, with Blow with Michelle, with everybody. Like, I'm very excited. We're all gonna be there. It's gonna be a blast. Awesome. And I'm real, I'm really excited to see the pixel fold because pretty sure they're gonna show it because here enough, a leak has happened. Pixel leaks continue. The prolific leaker, Cuba Wakowski has a video of the pixel fold basically folding and unfolding. There it is. If you're watching the video video version of the show, you can see the pixel fold folding and unfolding.

Jason Howell (00:25:43):
Oh, there it is. It's folding and it's unfolding. Look at it. Sure

Ron Richards (00:25:47):
Enough. Yeah. And it's unfolding and sure enough people who have seen it are now making fun of it because of the, that are visible inside. And as for cameras, apparently it's got a 48 megapixel primary character on the back with a, with a, I never can say this, right? F slash 1.7. What is aperture? What is, what is the right way to say that?

Jason Howell (00:26:08):
F to 1.7.

Ron Richards (00:26:10):
F to 1.7 A, I

Jason Howell (00:26:11):
Believe. Yeah, something, something like that.

Ron Richards (00:26:14):
O o i s and an 82 degree field of view. So that's our sneak peak at the at the pixel foldable. But wait, it doesn't stop there. The other hotly anticipated piece of hardware coming from Google is of course the Pixel tablet, which we've seen like Google's already shown us that we know it's coming. Right. But if you're looking for something to leak about the Pixel tablet, what's left other than pricing pricing leaks according to wind futures, Roland Quant says that pricing looks like 600 to 650 Euros. Which, what is that in American? That's roughly about what is 600

Jason Howell (00:26:50):
Euros. Six 50 Euros.

Ron Richards (00:26:51):
It's 6 58. Yeah. So, so $658. Seven

Jason Howell (00:26:55):
700. Yeah.

Ron Richards (00:26:56):
Yeah. Which is a price pricey for a tablet, my friends. And he says that, that it'll come in 128 gigabyte and 256 gigabyte configurations. And the Pixel tablet doc, which we also know exists leaked on Amazon. It looks a lot like the Nest hub base, which isn't a surprise. And it's got four connection pins that connect to the tablet. And the Amazon listing showed a price of $130. So there you go. Pixel foldable. What do you guys think? You think that that that Google's gonna be mocked for their entry into the foldable space because of all the bezel, or what?

Jason Howell (00:27:32):
I don't know. Well, yes, they're gonna be mocked. That's just gonna happen no matter what. No matter what. Unfortunately.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:27:38):
I mean, the tab, I mean the, the tablet also has a bezel. It's just a bezzle full, it's a bezzle full generation of hardware. I don't care, honestly. Like I, it's,

Jason Howell (00:27:48):
It's a Bez full bounty is what it is. Bezzle

Huyen Tue Dao (00:27:51):
Bounty. It's a bounty of bezel. Is that bounty

Jason Howell (00:27:53):

Huyen Tue Dao (00:27:54):
Bess a bounty of bezzles? That's probably like the flock, the whatever the plural word for that. I, I, to be, to be honest, I really, this is just my personal preference or lack thereof. I don't necessarily care about bezel Yeah. That much. And when you have that much horizontal space, I'm not gonna care about two, like an extra millimeter, two millimeters at top or bottom. Seriously. Like, I mean, I, I am not, I'm very bezzle, I'm very bezzle immune now. So I, I <laugh>, I mean, and, and also, I mean, just look at it like, I mean, Flo and I have talked about how narrow the, the pics of the Z fold for, you know, closed is so that that front screen is just barely usable. Look how nice and wide, like the front, you know, the, the folded version of the pixel fold is, and then that just results in more horizontal space. So yeah. Eh, yeah. Don't care. Also, also the, the pinhole camera on the Z fold floor.

Jason Howell (00:28:48):
No good.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:28:48):
So no, eh, it's kind of, it's kind of muddy and gross. So isn't

Jason Howell (00:28:52):
Isn't it under display that, that camera, is it under

Huyen Tue Dao (00:28:55):
Display's? Under display? Like Yeah. Is it, it's under display, so I think that contributes to the anness of it. So I'm gonna here just give, take, give me, I'll give you a bezel, gimme a better inner camera. Okay. So, doesn't bother me, but that's just me. It, it's cool if you don't like bezel,

Jason Howell (00:29:11):
I don't mind. I know, I know that we, we go through a lot of transformations on this show in real time over the years. And as trends happen, our tastes change and everything. I know that there was a time where I was very antibes and everything, but like seeing this news, I, I really couldn't care less, to be honest. <Laugh> I kinda like, but you know, like, okay, so it's got a little bit thicker of bezel. Is that really the hill that that, that we're all gonna die on now? I, I don't know. Whatever. I think I'm interested, I'm, I'm very curious to see this phone and but I also really like Google's hardware. Even though, you know, on the market, on the market level, Google doesn't, you know, pose any threat to anyone that's really doing a lot with phones right now. Samsung, apple, like Google's not really posing any threat with any of their, their hardware, but I'm happy that they're doing what they're doing and I'm you know, I'm sure the next one's gonna have less buzzle and you'll be happy.

But yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I do think that the tablet price and then the doc, like we were talking about this a little bit last week on this week in Google, cuz we had this news then and pricing. What we have right now is a Nest hub, right. You know, a hundred, $200 for kind of the comparable of this Pixel tablet and the dock. That would be, you know, I I'm guessing the Ted the tablet itself is probably gonna be more like 5, 5 56 maybe, depending on the configuration. But then you add on another 120 or 130 for that, that dock. And this thing's supposed to kind of be like, eh, it's like a Nest hub, but it's also a tablet. Like they better be selling it as a tablet and it does the Nest huby things. Yeah. And not the other way around because hundred one to $200 compared to six to $700 is a big swing in price

Ron Richards (00:31:01):
Agreed. At, at at, at 650 to $700 in price. That's gotta be a tablet that, that, that ha blows me away in terms of what the experience is. Yeah, it all works. And, and also it can be this hub and it can be this home control and stuff like that. I do not want a home control that can snap off and become a tablet and do, you know, like it's gotta be focused on what the tablet experience is like. And that comes with, and this is the developers we've worked with who have made apps to make mm-hmm. <Affirmative> Pi, the Pixel Pixel tablet experience better than any other tablet experience you've ever had. That's an absolute requirement for me at that point. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:31:35):
So, yeah. But again, I'm curious, I mean, it looks like a nice piece of hardware. I I, you know, I w I wonder how, how much I, it's been a while since I've used tablet with any sort of regularity and so I'm curious, you know, like, is this going, will this be a device that kind of pulls me back into it? I don't know. Remains be seen.

Ron Richards (00:31:56):
I lo I still, I love my Lenovo, I love my tab. I've been using it more than ever because I brought it on the vacation last week. And yeah,

Jason Howell (00:32:03):

Ron Richards (00:32:03):
For those reading. Well, I ended up reading kids, the kids bedtime stories with it. Like there was a, you know, Google Books had a free Disney bedtime stories thing, so I used that. And so I've been using it more and more and you know, and you know, ly I will say that like the, you know, the, the majority of my usage of the tablet is basically like as a Kindle, as a reading device. You know, I use it to read books you know, in bed. But I've lately been reading a, I'm reading the Oral History of Hollywood, which is like three inches thick. And so it's actual book. Oh, that sounds fun. Yeah, it was fun. It's really good. But but I'm, I'm excited to finish that book and get back to using the tablet for the things that I use for it for, and you know, everybody says, oh, uses I media device I rarely use as a media device really, you know, now that I don't go to a, a a, a physic now that I don't, don't go to a gym to go work out or run on a treadmill or anything like that.

Like I have a treadmill with a tablet integrated into the treadmill so I can watch TV that way and that sort of thing. But I, I still, I still dream the tablet dream of a productivity device of something where I can, you know, do email and work on it and all that sort of stuff that isn't quite a Chromebook, you know, that is a little more flexibility, but it's not, you know, you know, mainly cuz I'm still stuck at home, but it's not totally folded into my workflows of yet. So, I mean, I'll be right there on day one for that Pixel tablet. Although 700 bucks is way more than I, you know, for me the tablet sweet spot is like Max Price 3 3 50. That's personally for me, I know the iPad Pro goes much is is much more expensive. It's north, the 500 and all that sort of stuff. But yeah, you know, for me, I feel like the, the nature of the device, it's, it's a, it's a, it's, it's a cheaper device. It's a sub $500 device.

Jason Howell (00:33:43):
So yeah, it'll be interesting looking forward to it. Before we venture onward, I don't know if you saw it in the Dock Burke, but it's time. We got

Ron Richards (00:33:53):
Some breaking news. We

Jason Howell (00:33:54):
Got some breaking news. Let's do it. Throw that bumper onto the screen, fill our ears with its wonder as you wonder, what is the breaking news? Just more like a correction than a breaking news <laugh>, but, so maybe I'm over overplaying it, but it was actually Motley Crew that did the upside down drum thing.

Ron Richards (00:34:14):
There we go. Good to get it clarified.

Jason Howell (00:34:16):
Yeah. Yeah. It's important to call it out with, you're

Ron Richards (00:34:18):
Getting, you're getting ahead of, you're getting ahead of the, the the tidal wave of emails that we were gonna

Jason Howell (00:34:22):
Get. That's basically what I'm doing. Yeah, yeah. Yep. And if people are gonna write in, although when you pointed out, you know, isn't that like, don't a lot of drummers do that? And

Huyen Tue Dao (00:34:31):
I, I feel Yeah, in the, in the eighties to nineties there, there was a lot of, I feel like drummer, drummer hamster wheels or drummer rigs, car, whatever, what is that? Is there, there was, what's the name of Thery that did that anyway, yes, it was a lucky guess on my part. <Laugh>. So

Jason Howell (00:34:47):
I'm, I'm sure you're right. I mean, Tommy Lee couldn't be the only innovator in the drumming world drumming upside down. So, but if there was a band to do it, Molly Crew, I, I believe it. So anyways when you've got the next actual Android related news to talk about.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:35:04):
Yes. And the foldable fund does not stop around here because good old Motorola who has been in the foldable game longer than Google has, has recently given a teeny tiny peeky wiki of the 2023 razor. This is the teases of teaser. Like the, the actual official video is really just the, the, the glimpse of a silhouette of the razor <laugh>. But it is, it is upcoming likely releasing in June. And yeah, here we go. Let's check out that for video stream. Oh, you can kind of just check out outlines. Yep. Outlines, oh

Jason Howell (00:35:46):
Wow. Two circles. Yep. I

Huyen Tue Dao (00:35:48):
Saw it circles probably as, as, as, as ungratifying as that teaser is, it does seem like some previous renders that we talked about are going to be somewhat accurate in that this new version is a big step up. So there's kind of been like a really interesting, like, evolution of the razor, you know, smartphone foldable in the last few years. Like it, it launched in 2019 with the kind of throwback, you know, a recreation of the old school razor phone, which a lot of us found so cool in which the smartphone version of which I have somewhere in this drawer. But, you know, people didn't really respond to that too much. And then they kind of revamped it again to be more, very much like the Z flip four with a little kind of smaller kind of one inch display at the bottom, kind of around the cameras.

And now with the 2023, if the rumors are true, and we're pretty sure they are, this will be an entire, the screen won't cover the entire front cover including kind of wrapping around the cameras in the front. And it will presumably be like something like, I think I had number, yeah, there, there actually was a, a, a post a leak by a Motorola executive, I think on Weibo where he actually did specifically say that is he going to be a 3.5 inches screen on the outside? So I mean, compare this, yeah, there we go. I can't actually find this post anymore. I don't know if it's because I don't have a Weibo account or something, but Yes. It sounds like yes, it in indeed will be this kind of large screen that that takes up the entire outer cover of the phone unfolded.

So compare this to the oppo fine N two Flip, which I know flow talked about as well, which is 3.26 and is in the form of like, they're not mini smartphone on the outside of the cover. And of course compare it to the Z flip four, which only has that li whittle, it'll whittle 1.9 inch screen kind of at the bottom around the cameras. And you can see like this is how Razor is trying to distinguish themselves in the foldable or in the flippable flippable foldable space. But, but if you don't need all that screen and you're, you are kind of feeling a little more, something smaller but still functional, there will be a razor light version that is still mimicking that Galaxy Z Flip four style with the very small, you know, one, one and something, something inches screen at the bottom. So there you go. There's gonna be two Flipp bowls,

Jason Howell (00:38:09):
There'll be one, there'll be the razor and then there'll be like Razor A butter knife will be the other one. <Laugh>. Yeah. Yeah. Marketing. You got that one for free. Motorola. There you go. Okay. Oh, is that the smaller one? Kind of like the little Yeah, smaller one, the little glass. Yeah. Enough room for a handful of like a small collection of things or maybe a clock or something.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:38:32):
Ver very, very Z flip forry. I mean this pretty much it. Like they're basically giving you a Z flip four and a little something, something extra and new for all of us that are still like, eh, you know, kind of the, kind of, that are skeptical about razor's current flippable offerings. They're trying to just leapfrog over the competition, which is great. Which is, which is what we wanna see more affordables, more flippable, more different form factors. Yep. Tons of fun. Tons of fun.

Jason Howell (00:38:57):
Tons of fun. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, you know, Motorola's been doing this razor thing now for a few years. They've, they've got, even Motorola has the jump on Google when it comes to full. Yeah,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:39:07):
Yeah, man.

Jason Howell (00:39:08):
So it's interesting, interesting to see where it's all heading. And speaking of the jump on other manufacturers, I don't know, horrible segue one plus we've talked about has a tablet coming out soon and actually we have more information on the one plus pad. So this would be one plus's first tablet entry, and turns out we have cost, we have release date details pre-sale this Friday, that is April 28th. You can buy it in pre-sale for $479 via one plus direct. And then they will also have some other attachments for it or accessories for it. $149 for a magnetic keyboard option that has an integrated track pad. That's what you see if you're watching the video version. That actually looks pretty slick. It's pretty track. Yeah. Yeah. It's a nice, nice combo there. A $99 stylist, so if you need a stylist, there you go. $39 Folio case if you don't need the, if you want the case, but you don't need the keyboard with it. And then this is all gonna ship on May 8th via one plus. If you do pre-order before May 8th you get a 50% off a one plus Buds Pro two earbuds. So <laugh>, so if you pre-order and you are already thinking of getting one plus Buds Pro two, that's a really good deal. <Laugh>

Ron Richards (00:40:37):

Jason Howell (00:40:39):
If you weren't gonna get those things, then they're just, just understand they're getting more money out of you. That's what's actually happening with there <laugh>. So just keep that in mind. But anyways, so that's the one plus pad. So soon we're gonna be flushed with tablets

Ron Richards (00:40:53):
And look at, look at, look at the point there that I'm saying is that, you know, the, you know, the plus tablet 4 79, right? Right. Some 500, I don't know, you know, like Yeah. You know, and now literally, you know, $149 magnetic keyboard, $99 style, and it starts ta it feel, it feels like you're, you're, you're flying a discount airline. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> <laugh>. But you know, you know, we'll see if Pixel throws all that stuff in to justify the high price point or not. But I, I just, again, I feel like the Android tablet space is two 50 to 500. That's the sweet spot.

Jason Howell (00:41:22):
Yeah. Yeah. I, I would agree. I feel like if it's, yeah, if it's 600 and above, I mean, Samsung does have their tablets that are, that are more expensive and they're amazing tablets, like they're actually really, really great mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, but how many people are in the market for an Android tablet that costs $800? Like Right. Exactly. I think that market's pretty small.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:41:44):
I know a lot of people that are Android users, but still, when it comes to a large screen, you know, kind of higher end tablet people tend to still drift for the iPad Pro, especially with like the pencil integration. It just feels like a more established story and product. And so what I mean, honestly, I I mean, it, it, it, I mean it does, it is nice when things work all together, but in the Android world, it's probably an easier sell for us to kind of have that one iPad device rather than other way around. So, mm.

Jason Howell (00:42:11):
Yeah. Now if we were gonna get emails about anything, we're probably getting emails about that. So AAA tweet on tv if you have thoughts, we would love to hear that <laugh> not about Motley Crew or Def Leppard. Yeah. Tap. Yeah, we don't need any more Motley Crew or Def Leppard on this show. That's for post show. You better believe it. Exactly. All right, coming up next, some app news. This drummer on this song is definitely not upside down

Huyen Tue Dao (00:42:42):

Jason Howell (00:42:43):
That's too, a little too muted for upside down, right? Anyways, come in. Not that one. Maybe actually upside down. All right, when you got the first one, save me. All right,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:42:55):
Well there, we're gonna talk about Reddits client apps now, and now there's a wide swath and a long history of Reddit's, you know, clients both official and unofficial. I mean, I've used premium ones for years and you know, typically Freeman ones have ads and then often they'll have a onetime free, you know, onetime fee to remove ads. Reddit has their own official app, which has some amazing developers on it. Hi guys, friends of not the show but me. But of course for, you know, those that aren't on the own on the running the official app, something to note is that it is a 5 99 a month subscription for premium features, everyone's app. So you can kinda see that there's a lot of, like, you know, a lot in the Reddit client ecosystem there between third party apps and official apps.

Well, there might be a bit of a shakeup in that ecosystem, or I don't know, like an asteroid, like the one that the dinosaurs kind of get like nuked by coming in because Reddit has announced a significant change to its API in terms of use. And basically Reddit is gonna start charging Dess for access to the platform api. I, and this charge will be based on the app's overall usage. So how much does a given app actually hit the a p I? So the details are not finalized yet, but Reddit says it will be quote, reasonable with pricing and not prohibitively expensive. They are further quoted as saying the goal is not to make this inherently a big profit center, but to cover both the cost of usage as well as the opportunity cost of users not using the official app loss, ad viewing, et cetera.

So, I mean, it's hard to see, you know, third party free Reddit apps continuing after this. There's gonna be like very, I mean, they're not gonna have, there's not a lot of incentive now when you have to pay for the cost of API to release free app, but that's still leaves room for certainly, you know, premium Reddit apps like Apollo, for example, a Reddit client developed by Christian Sig, which does have an Apollo Ultra premium subscription version. And Sig himself has said that, you know, he plans to kill the free version, but keep Apollo Ultra going and to kind of offset the sting, I guess, of having devs actually pay for the Reddit api. Reddit says they intend to actually broaden the API so that, so that Des can actually access premium features. For example, in the future when this API is paid for, Des could even include things like Reddit chat, what they, which previous they can't now.

So they're trying to kinda offset it like, okay, if you actually pay for, you know, Reddit API is not just that you're paying for what you got, but we'll try to like, you know, sweeten the pie by actually giving you a more fully featured api. And just to put a little flavor on it you know Christian sell like of Apollo did actually kind of, kind of go into a lot of planet questioning and kind of a asking specifics from Reddit. And I mean he just to kind of paraphrase, he is relatively positive. He said this could be a positive change if done well unreasonably. And he does state that it c provides a mean for third party apps to have a stable, consistent and future-looking relationship with Reddit. Of course it does per does ride on whether the final pricing is reasonable, whatever that means. So I know I have feelings about this, but what do y'all think? Oh,

Ron Richards (00:46:12):
I know you do. I I I figured you would <laugh>. I,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:46:16):
I do. But I don't know, what do you, what do y'all think? Would you be sad or disappointed if say, theoretical, hypothetical like Reddit free client died because

Ron Richards (00:46:27):
This, I mean, it, it definitely, it definitely echoes what's going on in the social media space on Twitter, right? I mean, for sure, you know, where, where, you know, my preferred timing for Twitter. Yeah, totally. The timing is very similar to that. Yeah. My preferred Twitter client talent went the way the Dodo because, you know, Twitter decided to shut off their API and all that sort of stuff. And it's a tough thing because the, what, I dunno what the word I'm looking for, but the tarian, you know, you know, decentralized internet that we all love and it's built on APIs and services and we can innovate and stuff like that is great, but it's also a bit of a non-capitalist pipe dream. And ultimately the platforms control their se themselves, and if they decide they wanna shut off their API so they can control the experience to achieve some business goal, that's, you know, we might not like it, but that's up to their own, that's their prerogative, you know? Yeah. it's the same with speech on the platform and everything. I mean, at the end of the

Jason Howell (00:47:28):
Day, it is a business and that business, you know, within the confines of what's legal, you know, the law can choose to do whatever they kind of want to with <laugh>, with the business for, you know, for better or for worse for, you know, as far as the users are concerned. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, yes, if I was a user of a free Reddit app, like a, like a hardcore user of a free Reddit app, and I found that that Reddit app was going away because of this, of course I'd be upset if I was a, if, you know, I don't know what it's like to be a developer, but I imagine if I was a developer with a free Reddit app, I'd be pretty pissed. But at the same time, like I, I get it. Like I understand like at the end of the day that Reddit is a business, they do make money off of ads that it sounds like on these third party apps, they're not able to make that money.

And so through that lens alone, the fact that it's been, the way that it has been for as long as it has been is kind of interesting. It's kind of astounding, but of course they, they have ambitions now. They want to, you know, they're gonna go public and everything, so these things were gonna get buttoned up. It was only a matter of time. So I guess I, I kind of understand and like you, like you pointed out, when at least if they're going to change the rules, at least they're giving a little bit something more for, for those paid apps. They're not cutting it off entirely. Like I, you know mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, we've seen that happen too, where it's like, Nope, screw you. We realize we built our, our business around, you know, the fact that, that there are third party developers that support this, but we don't care about you anymore and you can't do it anymore. Like, we've seen that with Twitter. That's not happening here with Reddit at least. So if you have an app and you have a premium version, you get to keep the premium version. That's, you know, that's something, I don't know if it's enough, but I don't know. I gu I, that's how I feel about it. How do you feel about it when I know you have opinions?

Huyen Tue Dao (00:49:27):
Yeah, I mean, I, I honestly think this is fairly reasonable and I feel weird saying that because again, as we mentioned, the timing is weird because yeah, there's a different story on certain bird sites where this few, where, where, where, when that happened on that site, it felt a little more icky and opportunistic and Yeah, like whatev it,

Jason Howell (00:49:46):
But the timing is changed, but

Huyen Tue Dao (00:49:48):
Yeah. But things cost money developer time, cost, money, and even like upkeeping and api. So like, that's actually something that I've been frustrated as, as developers that a lot of companies don't offer. You know, whatever. Pick your favorite app, pick your favorite even product, like, whether that's like for example, I have like a rower and it actually has a very beautiful API that I could integrate with for example. So whatever your product is, if you want it to be integrated with say other kind of like partner apps or related apps, adjacent apps, you have to make an api. And making an API is not free. Like someone has to take like that, it, the upkeep of that, the maintenance of that, adding features, responding to developers in the community that have either bug reports or feature requests or whatever, that's not free. That's someone's time. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> and Yeah.

I, I, I, we gotta eat too, y'all. And, and like, I, I think if we can move to a model where, you know, and, and again, it kind of, we'll have to see what the a p i cost eventually is and, and how scaled it is for, you know, usage. Like, maybe it may, like, I would like to see something where if a user is using, I don't know, some, I don't know what the numbers on this would be, would make sense, but maybe if you have like, like less than 500 API calls a month, maybe it's free. Something like that. Yeah. Whereas of course, someone that is a hot, a developer that has a very high traffic app, probably like Apollo one, one of the other apps that we used to use, I don't know, I use Bacon Reader a long time ago. I don't even know if it's still around.

But you know, obviously they, if if they are having more traffic, more users, more people paying for it, they will probably be able to pay more and they, their, their app would cost more. So I, I think it's fair. And I, I would like to see how that works. And, and because, you know, if, if, if we can make this model, if Reddick can develop a model that is tenable, that is kind of like, you know, <laugh> that is acceptable to devs, I think that'll just make the space better. And yeah, like there, there's so many great apps that could do more with integration and stuff like that, but just someone, someone needs to do the work. And if you're expecting a company that actually, you know, is a company with a b with, that's a business, you can't always expect 'em to do it for free. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> it was nice back in the old days, in the wild, wild west of the web and the internet, but nah, we all gotta eat and there's gonna be an roi. So if we can find a way for everyone to get compensated for their time, maybe we'll all get nicer things. That's just how the way it goes. So I'm, I'm, I'm positive and hopeful. But we'll see,

Jason Howell (00:52:15):
I forgot about Bacon Reader, that was my Reddit app of choice many years ago as well. But I mean, I've been using the, the official Reddit app number.

Ron Richards (00:52:23):
I was, I was gonna say is the official, it's, it's so funny cuz like I use the official Reddit app too, and it's fine. Like, it, it's not, it's, it's not an app that I either love or hate. Whereas for whatever reason, and probably cuz years of using talent, I just like LOA to use the, the official Twitter app mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. so yeah, I, I like, if, if if Reddit wasn't offering a satisfying option through the official app, I could see this, you know, being something more upsetting. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. But again, it's, it's their business, it's their prerogative. We just like, it's the, this, this, this harkens back to the decade ago, a apocalypse when all the Facebook games developers got cut their, their knees cut out from 'em cuz Facebook changed the rules and it just goes to show you can't build your business on someone else's back.

Jason Howell (00:53:08):
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. Yeah. Period. Or Yeah. Or if, or if you do, you can fee, but if you do understand that that is probably like, there's a high likelihood that that's a time limited offer and Exactly. There's not a whole lot of choice you have about that <laugh>. So if that happens, like, I mean, I guess you can make your, you know, you can, you can make some noise and hopefully that changes how they do it and you know, maybe they address your concerns that way. But yeah, that's, there's not a whole lot you can do about that. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, so any who so apps. Yeah. So Blue Sky, well, you, you were, when you were when or wrong, one of you was talking about the decentralized Oh, it was you wrong? I did, I mentioned it, yeah. Yep, I mentioned it. Yep. Threw that out.

 Blue Sky, which was Jack Dorsey's you know, formally of Twitter. His open and decentralized approach to social media. It now has an Android app and you know, they had developed for many years, they had developed this authenticated transfer at Protocol. And just in February they launched an iOS app, a Blue Sky. Now we have the Android app. So the Android app came a little bit later. Still the services invite only, I did get an invite from Micah last week and was able to, you know, create an account and kind of take a look. And I mean, you know, it's, it's, I mean it's very, it's very much like Twitter, <laugh>, very twittery. Shocking. Very, very, yeah. I mean, yeah, exactly. I mean, except that there's not a lot of people on it cuz it's in invite only, you know, I don't know very many, very, any much of the surfing that I've done or or br browsing of it that I've done is just people I don't know.

You know, just kind of looking at the general timeline and everything. And I don't know, I'm just not u honestly, I'm just not using Twitter like social media right now. Like, like I maybe browse it maybe once, twice, three, four times a week and I'm not posting to it. And about the only social network, I was just saying in the chat room about the only social network I actually use with any sort of regularity right now is Reddit. Reddit's the one that I turn to right now. I'm getting a lot, a lot of enjoyment out of Reddit, but yet I don't think of Reddit in the same terms as a, a Twitter or a Blue Sky or a Mastodon or whatever. Like, they serve different things in my life. So I don't think of it as like the traditional social media, even though it totally is.

But anyways, that's, that's an aside. But so Blue Sky, if you, if you want it on Andrew Android, you still gotta get an invite. You know, it's, it's based on this idea of, of decentralization, kind of similar to what you were saying, Ron. That one, you know, one person can't just decide on a whim to, to change things completely and, and everything. And you know, we'll see how it, how it how it develops over time. Even Mastodon, you know, a lot of people moved over to Mastodon, but I don't know if it's, you know, how much of a fraction of that is, you know, compared to something like Twitter or even larger social networks. So Yep. Yeah. Blue Sky on Android. All right. Well the last bit of app

Ron Richards (00:56:22):
News we have is a little bit of a blast from the past. Those of you who are old, like, like me and Jason might remember Winamp. When did you ever use Winamp? Was that

Huyen Tue Dao (00:56:33):
I sure did. I figured I'm not, I'm also, I'm also old.

Ron Richards (00:56:37):
I I was giving you the benefit of the doubt though. I

Huyen Tue Dao (00:56:39):
Appreciate that. No, I'm old too. Yeah.

Ron Richards (00:56:41):
But so Win Amp was the beloved, beloved MP3 player that I used back in the day. First launched in 1997 used it in its heyday in the early two thousands with the skins and all this. It was great. Win Amp was the best. Well, it's coming to Android parentheses again, <laugh>. So Win Amp as an organization is undergoing a huge rehaul right now. They announced it a few months back. But now we know in Q3 a revamped web player will be followed by an Android and iOS app. But it's not gonna look like anything you expect. In fact, I'm really excited about this direction they're taking. It looks a lot more like Spotify or Apple Music mixed with Patreon, which is fascinating. So in, in this execution, you don't subscribe to the service. You don't pay 9 99 a month to get access to Win app, whatever it is, you subscribe to artists individually, which is awesome, which I think is very, very cool.

Allows you to support artists directly. And I hope the music community embraces this because Lord knows I have a lot of friends who work in the music industry and I've seen the checks from Spotify that you wouldn't be surprised the number of, of decimal points under a dollar that they can, they, that they can calculate to That's laugh to strip out value from your streams. Yeah. but that says win a's current library is, is is very, very lean or empty. But it's gonna take time to ramp up. So we'll see if the music industry embraces it or not. If you embrace it, I'm gonna be checking it out. I think it's pretty cool. But, you know, those of you who keep you score at home, this is not the first time Winamp was on Android. They, they did have a win an Android app years and years ago, and it was killed in 2013. So this is Winamp coming around, come like a boomerang coming around <laugh>. But but excited to see what their future looks like. Whoever's behind this, I'm curious to see what what they come up with. So

Jason Howell (00:58:32):
Yeah, I'm, I'm curious too. I mean, it's hard to say cuz it's so, so beginning. I mean, if you go to, you can check out the web, kind of the web version of this. Yeah. The, obviously the Android version is not out yet, but you can kind of start to get a sense of, of what it is. And, you know, you, you browse to like the rock category and then it then gives you regions. So I could go into the North America and find, you know, this, this artist called Snack, S N A K. Hey, I just, I just threw it out on a podcast. You're famous. And so we go there and it's like, select membership plan, $1 a month, you know, you get access to my full catalog on another one. It was like $5 a month. You get access to full catalog, you get, you know, updates on, on new music as they come out. You get, you know, they just, they, they offer little perks for if you subscribe, I guess. So, I don't know. Interesting. 

Huyen Tue Dao (00:59:27):
I like the idea. I mean, I, I'm not a musician, I'm not in a music industry, so I don't know whether this model would actually work, but I like the idea of a Patreon style. Yeah. Yep. That's totally what it is. No service because I, I'm, I'm a very, very, like I feel like I'm humble bragging about how much I like, I, I like Patreon because I, I like being able to directly support people that I can consume content from. And if I could more directly do that with musicians, all the better. So I don't know if this model's gonna work, but I, I like them trying something different. Yeah, cool.

Jason Howell (00:59:56):
Interesting. From an artist standpoint. Okay, so I'm looking at another artist, Carlia and it says $5 or actually five euros a month, official tablet are, and not notations, monthly q and a sessions behind the scenes content, extra future expansions, early access to music videos. So it's very, very pati you know,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:00:20):
Very super

Jason Howell (01:00:21):
Access to extended music catalog. So that's, you know, that's gotta be a given <laugh>. If you're an artist, you have your music, hopefully if anyone's paying for it, they get access to your music. For, for one, for one year, a month. You know, you get blogs and updates, you get access to the catalog of music, you get discord and then you get more for the five. So yeah, this is interesting. I think yeah purists of Win Amp might be a little disappointed. They're like, oh, just bring back the classic player, you know. So <laugh> probably, I, it doesn't look like you're get that <laugh>, but there you go. So interesting.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:00:54):
As long as, as long as it has skins, I skin the crap out of win a Yeah.

Jason Howell (01:00:57):
I don't see any skins on the web version. I use

Huyen Tue Dao (01:01:00):
Skins, man. Oh heck yeah.

Jason Howell (01:01:01):
I skinneded it to the point, I skinneded it to the point of no usability <laugh>. Yes,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:01:06):
Yes. That is how you do it. I

Jason Howell (01:01:08):
Love it. That was so, yeah, that was such a, a fun time. Yep. Exploring those thing that felt so powerful. It was like, oh, I can mm-hmm <affirmative> what, what I could have, you know, it be black and white and look like it was drawn with a crayon. That's amazing. You know, or whatever. Bit of skins. What's that? Bottomless pit of skin. Oh, totally. I mean it was, yes, it was such a time suck searching for this. Also a time suck is Jr's Android intelligence tip. Cuz when he pulls you in, he doesn't let go until you know, everything there is to know about the YouTube app. <Laugh> not Android. Here's another one. I think this might be the last one though. Here you go.

JR Raphael (01:01:50):
Greetings one and all. So we've been on a bit of a long strange trip through all sorts of splendid YouTube goodness these past few weeks and today, today we're gonna bring it all home with a pair of really helpful features hidden away in the YouTube Android app. They're features that, dare I say, few mere mortals even realize exist. Let me show you. All right, so first get this, the YouTube Android app has a built-in automatic transcription system that lets you scan through the text of any video you're watching and even jump ahead to any specific part. I honestly had no idea about this myself until I randomly stumbled onto it whilst poking around haphazardly like a mad man as one does. But once you know where to find it, it couldn't be much easier to use. Here's the trick. While you're watching any video in YouTube on your phone, tap the tiny Moore text beneath its title at the start of its description and then look for the section that says transcript.

Tap the show transcript button in that area. And sure enough, Zahi blows no matter what it is you're watching, you can now scan ahead to see what'll be said as the video progresses and you can tap on any line in that area to skip directly to that moment. Next ever find yourself wanting to share a specific part of a video with someone, maybe a, a friend, a coworker, a marm who happens to be your mortal nemesis or any other kind of 10 toed creature. Listen up, you gorgeous son of a gibbon. At some point in the not too distant past Google started rolling out a new Clips feature that makes it easy as can be to create your own custom clip of any YouTube video and then share it with anyone you want, mart or otherwise. But it's really tucked away and outta sight and you'd never know it was possible if you didn't know where to look.

The secret is to scroll horizontally along the line of buttons between the creator's name and the comments area within any video you're viewing. You never know if some extra options are waiting for you at the other end of that row. And one of 'em sure enough is clip tap that thing and tap it good. And YouTube will give you a super simple tool for selecting a small segment of the video you want. Anywhere from five seconds to a full minute. You can just slide the little guide around to get it in the exact place and at the exact length you want. Then give the thing a title and tap the share clip button at the bottom of the screen. You'll get a special YouTube link that'll let anyone view your custom clip of that video in an endlessly repeating loop. Not bad, right? There is so much more where that came from.

So if this YouTube series has been helpful for you, come sign up for my Android intelligence newsletter. It gives you three new things to try every Friday. And if you reply to my welcome email and let me know you came from twit and you want my complete YouTube power user guide, well, I'll write back and I'll send you a massive guidebook I put together with all the tips we've gone over these past few weeks and a bunch of other useful stuff for the YouTube website too. Just head over to android intel net slash twit to get started. That's android intel net slash twi. Hope to see you there and I will absolutely see you right back here next week.

Jason Howell (01:05:23):
Gotta say, I appreciate jr's ability to find the best of the best videos on YouTube episode one of All About Android of course, and perhaps the best live performance that Nelson ever had of after the rain. Am I right? I mean that that part of the video that JR clipped out as the example, I watched that on repeat all the time. It blows my mind. Nelson, they were so good. Thank you. JR a feel Android intelligence that is android to check out the newsletter. And I'm curious what next week is. I don't, I think he kind of alluded to next week not being YouTube, we will find out. And if it is YouTube, it's probably something you really, really, really didn't know existed. So <laugh> stop sharing. <Laugh>, stop sharing those, those band, what was that band? Nelson. Stop. Stop sharing their gyps in the, in the discord please. You're distracting. Oh, that's dangerous. Yeah. Dangerous. They're very distracting. I need to look away. Yes, they are. Oh, it's not good. All right. Coming up your feedback is next. AAA at twit TV 3, 4 7. Show a a a when you got the first one.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:06:45):
Yes. And we got a, we've got a voicemail, Chris from Mobile. Love it. We love the voicemails. So thank you Chris from Mobile.

Chris from Mobile, AL (01:06:58):
Hey, Android. Faithful. this is Chris from Mobile. I called it last year now. Definitely really interesting. I'm trying to find a dumb smartphone. I want a smartphone, but I wanted to just have telephone and messages. That's all I need on it. I don't need anything else. I don't need apps. I don't even really need the app store all thing, but I know I have to have apps for update. Is there anything you can suggest, especially something to lock down a phone like that, keep people from adding extra apps? Thanks.

Jason Howell (01:07:33):
It looks like <laugh>. It looks like this voicemail I put it in and I forgot to do any research. But <laugh>, but there are notes here. So someone did research.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:07:44):
I, I did.

Jason Howell (01:07:45):
Thank you. When Thanks for the save. I completely forgot. Oh,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:07:50):
<Laugh>. So Christopher Mobile I did a little research and to be honest, like I think a lot of the smartphones that I came up that were phone and text only were ch which were, were phones for your kids, you know, with parental controls and all kinds of stuff that I assume that you would not want. But there was a super interesting phone that I came across that is the light phone. Oh, the light phone. It is not an, an Android phone, but it is a phone with an E ink screen. It looks like it actually is available unlocked on Verizon. But yeah, it's a super simple phone. The mission is, as you say, to kind of un distract or de de distract us from our kind of bad smartphone having lies. And again, it's like an eating screen. And yeah, it's super stripped found.

And, and actually I, I know like, so Chris, what you were concerned about is kind of like making sure that you had updates. And it's kind of hard to tell because, you know, it's not, I I couldn't see any policy or finding policy was like, hey, we, you know, update for this many years or whatever. But it does seem that they are, you know, the, the folks that are still doing software updates for the light phone are very serious about it. They mentioned like having, supporting one of the, I think probably the version one of this phone for like the last three years mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. and if you look at the change log for Light Os, which is the os that this runs on, I mean, they've been having updates like almost every single month for at least as far as I can tell the last like six, eight, maybe more months from a cursory glance. So, wow. Good job. Yeah, and I'm sorry I didn't do as much looking cuz I was like, is this, is this what you're looking for? Because it's not Android, but it is a, a dumb smartphone, or at least a very stripped down smartphone. Anyone's on e ink, which is kind of nice, which I presume the battery might be better than your average smartphone. So Yeah. I, I don't know. And it's really slick. Is it? I mean, looks, I think

Jason Howell (01:09:35):
You nailed it. I think you nailed it looks it might not run Android, but I think that's a slippery slope when you kind of go down the Android world because I mean, it's, I think it's gonna be probably, I mean, maybe that phone exists, but it's gonna be really hard to find a phone that supports Android and all the things and they actively choose to not, you know, to have Android on there, but not give you access to the things that kind of make Android even more powerful. You know, like, this seems like the way to go. This is gonna keep, keep, you know, any of that extra stuff from ending up on the phone in whatever way. And it's gonna keep it focused. So I don't know. I like it. I, I forgot about this phone, so I'm happy because I, I know that we've talked about this phone on the show. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, we definitely, we

Ron Richards (01:10:20):
Definitely talked about this mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, we definitely, when we're, when we're going through the small phone phase and things like that and, and yeah, the light phone is definitely one that we've discussed, which is, I'm glad to see it's still round, you know mm-hmm.

Jason Howell (01:10:30):
<Affirmative>, so, and being updated regularly. That's awesome. Yeah, that's the really great news. Sometimes these devices, they come out and they sound really great, but, you know, it's a small company, it's just a handful of people and you know, the long-term commitment is, ends up being too much or, or so it seems because that support ends up dragging and falling off a cliff. So not the case here. So I think that's an interesting one to pursue.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:10:55):
Yeah, the, the, the developers on this are very active. Like, I'm seeing like May, June last year, August, like they, they're just, they're there. There's some love going into the software on this phone, at least as far as I can see from as much work as they're putting into it, as many updates as they're doing. So, yeah. Shoot, I kinda want one. I mean, it looks, it's great and I love E Ink devices, so that kind of, that's a sucker punch to my heart. So yeah. Christopher Mobile I don't know, maybe this is an option for you. I know it'll take you out of our sphere a little bit, but I don't know. It's a really cute phone and I hadn't heard of the light phone before doing my very cursory research for your email, but I kinda want it now. So yeah, thanks for your email.

Jason Howell (01:11:37):
Cool. Thank you for the email. Mark B writes in to say, Hey, aaa, has Samsung fixed this yet? Can I use wifi? What is Mark B talking about? Well, he is talking about the EXOS modem issues that we talked about. You know, I don't know, it was probably a month, maybe two months ago. And I have good news for you, mark. Yes, Samsung's April security update addressed this. So earlier this month there, Samsung pushed an update to its phones that directly fix the XOs flaws that are, that are behind kind of the wifi insecurity issues and everything with XOs devices. So that's really good news. It's I mean, there's your answer. Hopefully you got that update on your device. You didn't mention which device you have, so I can't tell you whether it's available on your actual exact device, but I assume you have one that's relatively recent.

And my understanding is that Samsung pushed this out, you know, to all of their currently updated phones that, that actually have the XOs chip in them. So you should be good. And I think that that fix also directly impacted Google phones. So running the tensor chip and Google's pushed out that update. So my understanding is if the, you know, for the majority of the phones that this XOs vulnerability, you know, was plaguing, was pla you know, was plaguing those devices that the updates are out there. So it's just a matter of did your phone get the update? And if it did, then you're good. So good news for you, mark. There you go. And over to Ron.

Ron Richards (01:13:22):
Yes, it is my honor, after missing last week to return to you, my friends with the,

I did not expect to get such a loud fanfare for the email of the week. This comes from up north up in Toronto. Our good friend Derek writes in and says, Hey gang, longtime listener from the GINA days. Very cool sir. I've written in a few times, but this is the first with a question. I'm having a smart lock issue that's driving me nuts. For some reason Smart lock seems to be turning itself off. If you go to the smart lock screen, all you see is a blank screen with no option to even enter your pin. I've looked at the forums online and found that you need to a update. Well, that was a given, right? We talked about that earlier. Like have you, have you tried updating? Right? Have you tried turning it off and turning it back on again? And then he says, and then he says that's a given.

I have a pixel six and keep it up to date. The main reason I buy, I buy a pixel and b toggle off and back on trust agents. The ladder works for about 10 to thir, 10 to 30 minutes, and then I have to do it again. It's driving me nuts. I have to log into my phone all the time at home in the car, and with Android Auto enabled by the way, thanks Ron for being the Guinea pig on AA wireless, bought a two and love it. And even with a smartwatch connected, any ideas or suggestions? So what do y'all think here in terms of in terms of this issue?

Jason Howell (01:14:47):
Now on this one, I did actually remember to research, you

Ron Richards (01:14:49):
Did the research on this

Jason Howell (01:14:50):
One, <laugh>. Yeah, <laugh>. So Samsung actually actually acknowledged this, this week, I believe is this news from this week. Let's see here. Oh, go away. Cookie pop up from April 18th, so it was last week. Basically Samsung has confirmed that the, they are addressing any of the smart lock issues that are happening with Galaxy phones. That's happening sometime this week. So you're not gonna have to wait much longer. This is gonna be done via a Google Play Services update. So it's gonna happen without the need of like an OS update. It's just gonna happen behind the scenes for you and hopefully that addresses the, the issue that you're having. But yes, this news is relatively fresh, so you're not the only one.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:15:40):
Jason did, did Derrick not say he had a Pixel six? Yes,

Ron Richards (01:15:45):
He had a Pixel six, he said,

Jason Howell (01:15:46):
Oh shoot. Sorry. Oh my goodness. I totally,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:15:50):
I'm so sorry.

Jason Howell (01:15:50):
No, that's okay. I was wondering

Ron Richards (01:15:52):
Why it says Samsung there,

Jason Howell (01:15:53):
So that's okay. But apparently I failed on emails this week. I got one out of three. Right. That's

Ron Richards (01:15:59):
But is an issue here regardless of, of, of device though, or

Huyen Tue Dao (01:16:02):
I think it is because when I looked it up, there was so many emails and forum post and all kinds of articles shoot for ev from Bixell and for Samsung. So I, and, and all of them said to do what Derek has already done. So I I I'm not that helpful either. I can only presume that, that there's like a widespread problem with it. And the only thing that I came up with is that, well, I know that our very Michelle Ramon said that it looks like they are gonna rebrand Smart Lock to extend Lock. So I'm gonna do a little developer supposition theory craft and conspiracy crafting that may, maybe there's something about the rebranding where I, I don't know what they're doing. I don't actually know how smart Luck necessarily works under the hood, but I don't know if something's there because they're re they're, maybe they're rejiggering it and it's just messing it up for folks and Yeah, I don't know. The skeptical side of me is saying they know they're gonna re redo it, so they're not, I don't know, I, I don't know. It just seems like something is up with everyone because Yeah, you, yeah, everyone's having

Jason Howell (01:17:07):
Problems. So basically Samsung has done something to address this.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:17:11):
Yeah, maybe they, maybe they have some kind of like sidestepping

Jason Howell (01:17:14):
That they can do, but Google has not on the pixel. Hmm. Yeah, I'm looking at the support page that I got that link from that story that I mentioned on Samsung. That's what I think. I think once I saw that link I was like, oh, there's the solution. I completely forgot about the pixel aspect of things. Sorry about that. Yeah. Okay. Well in that case, I don't know what to recommend other than gosh, I mean it seems like it's on the radar at least if, if some fixes are being pushed out for this, but it's not helping you on the pixel and I'm sorry about that. Yeah, it really does seem like that support issue is, is kind of recommending all the things you probably, you know, Derek, you probably saw the same support issue, Paige, that I saw, cuz it's recommending the same things that you are already doing and that's annoying. I had to imagine that affixes coming and wish

Ron Richards (01:18:07):
Got, yeah, you gotta assume. And so keep an eye on those product forms. See, see how it develops. You can't, you're clearly can't be the only, you're not the only person who's having that issue. Immensely frustrating though. And I, I feel for you. Yeah. I wish we could be more help though.

Jason Howell (01:18:20):
That stinks.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:18:21):
Yeah. Sorry dude. Yeah. Or Derek.

Jason Howell (01:18:23):
But regardless, I mean the, the upside, Ron, right. I'll, I'll let you have the honors

Ron Richards (01:18:30):
That he was the email of the

Jason Howell (01:18:31):
Week. Yeah, that's it.

Ron Richards (01:18:34):

Jason Howell (01:18:36):
I wasn't putting you out the spot for anything difficult, <laugh>. I was just like, it was like, I guessing Do it now. I didn't wanna close it though, for you, you, you get to, to open it and close it. All right, well we've reached the end. Before I get anything else wrong, we're gonna go ahead and finish this episode. There it is of All About Android. Thank you everybody for watching and listening. Thank you. When it's great to hang out with you what do you wanna leave people with?

Huyen Tue Dao (01:19:05):
Yes, I am an android dev. I do the most days and you can find stuff that I do talks, co talks, video and code on my website randomly And if there's a social media thing, I'm probably there under Queen Code Monkey and if I'm not, let me know. I'm gonna grab that handle. Yeah, that's my thing. Let, let me know. But yeah, that's where you can find me and yeah, happy to be here. As always,

Jason Howell (01:19:29):
Thank you win. And thank you Ron, all three of us at Google io That is so amazing.

Ron Richards (01:19:35):
It's gonna be very exciting, exciting. It's, it's gonna be cool to not only be at Google io but I'm also super excited Jason to be in studio the night before to do the show. Heck, heck

Jason Howell (01:19:47):
Yeah. We're gonna do that. We are absolutely gonna do that. So let's make that, it's

Ron Richards (01:19:51):
Gonna be very, very cool. It's very, very cool to do that, as I will be on the West coast for that. So I'm super excited. You should be too. In the meantime, if you can't contain your excitement head over to i where you can listen to the, the latest monthly media Explode podcast where me

Jason Howell (01:20:06):
And my talk about movies and TV shows. We talked about the Dungeons and Dragons movie that I saw in the theaters, which was awesome. And then we ranked Quentin Tarantino's films and I give my official ranking of Quentin Tarantino's o of films. If you're into that sort of stuff, you can go to i is on the podcast feed. You can check that out things like two episodes ago. And check that out. I appreciate it. Follow me on Twitter and Instagram, Ron xo. Yes, indeed. We'll see you next week. Make sure to do that. So thank you Ron. Thank you. JR Android intelligence, that's android, J Rayfield does an awesome job with that newsletter. Subscribe thank you Burke for all the tech wrangling today. A little bit extra layers of complication and difficulty today, but you pulled it off as you usually do.

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