Home Theater Geeks 534 Transcript

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Scott Wilkinson [00:00:00]:
In this episode of Home Theater Geeks, I profile a doozy of a home theater. So stick around. Podcasts you love from people you trust.

Robert Vanman [00:00:14]:
This is twit.

Scott Wilkinson [00:00:25]:
Hey there. Scott Wilkinson here, the home theater geek. In this episode, I'm going to do a home theater of the month. And what a home theater it is. It's one of the most extensively planned and implemented home theaters I've ever seen, and I have no doubt it would be one of the most amazing performances of any home theater I've ever seen or heard. I only hope to get to one day. The owner is Robert Vanman, who lives in Texas, and he joins us now. Hey, Robert.

Robert Vanman [00:01:00]:
Welcome to the show. Good afternoon, Scott. Thanks for having me on your show.

Scott Wilkinson [00:01:04]:
Oh, happy to have you. This is an amazing home theater, as we will see. But I want to start by asking how you became interested in the home theater hobby.

Robert Vanman [00:01:19]:
Well, I was an audiophile from a young age, so all of my, you know, early days was about collecting speakers, and I used to make my own speaker boxes. And then when I started to drive, you know, I put in obnoxious stereos into all my cars, and then I was forever, you know, chasing the best equipment I could afford. So it's been kind of a lifelong

Scott Wilkinson [00:01:49]:
passion as it is with most of us, I would say, and from everybody I've talked to, certainly that seems to be the case. Okay, so when did you purchase. Actually, you built this home right from the ground up. When did. When did that happen?

Robert Vanman [00:02:05]:
Yeah, so I bought the property in 2019, and we spent a year in planning and architecture, and during that year, we had hired. Well, initially I hired Elliston Systems as my integrator, and then Elliston Systems introduced me to Paradise Theater as well as Keith Yates. And so I met with both of them, interviewed them to see which one we wanted to pick to be the theater designer. And ultimately I ended up picking. I felt they're both great, but paradise just seemed to be a little bit more down to earth in hopefully not making, you know, too. Too absurd of decisions that would add obscene cost to the system. So that's why I ended up picking Paradise. But I was very pleased with Paradise.

Scott Wilkinson [00:03:05]:
So I don't know paradise, but I know Keith Yates, and I know he's phenomenal. Oh, yes. And. And definitely takes no prisoners. So this theater was built.

Robert Vanman [00:03:21]:
So like I said, it started in 2019 in planning. Construction started a year later, but then it took four years to all the construction on this house. So it was a long, painful process. And there's A outrageous amount of wood trim in the house and everything set and built for the theater was the other thing that added a lot of time to the process. But all in all, it's five years, start to finish.

Scott Wilkinson [00:03:56]:
So what were your primary design goals for the theater in terms of sound isolation, number of channels, decorations? What were the most important things that you wanted to accomplish?

Robert Vanman [00:04:09]:
Well, I definitely wanted, you know, Dolby Atmos system. I wanted infrasonic subwoofers. I was. I wanted to build essentially a smaller version of the Han theater in Connecticut. And the isolation was. Was very important to me because at my last house, I had a. I had a decent theater in the last house, nothing on par to this one. But I.

Robert Vanman [00:04:38]:
I discovered that I cannot use my theater when my family is home and they're not watching the movie with me, because when I. When I would play movies at. At decent levels, not even reference levels, you know, it would just disrupt the house. And so I would not be the. The favorite family member if I. So I wanted. Since, you know, we were building this from scratch, I wanted to make the theater such that it was so isolated, I could operate the theater anytime, day or night, and nobody would hear me. So I would never hear the.

Robert Vanman [00:05:15]:
Turn it down. Not now. You can watch it later.

Scott Wilkinson [00:05:20]:
Right.

Robert Vanman [00:05:21]:
And so that was. That was a key thing. Even more so than making the room quiet. I was more focused on not letting any of the energy in the theater make it into the rest of the house.

Scott Wilkinson [00:05:34]:
And yet you did also put considerable effort into making the noise floor very low, which we're going to see later.

Robert Vanman [00:05:42]:
Yes,

Scott Wilkinson [00:05:45]:
it's astonishing, and we're going to see it. But I wanted to first show some. Some of the design drawings that you created. And these are remarkably detailed and specific. If we take a look at graphic one, here's, I guess, the footprint of the first floor. Is that right?

Robert Vanman [00:06:06]:
Yeah, that's first floor. And then the theater, as you see, is an appendage under the house. So it shares one wall with the house, but that's on the garage. So there's. That was intentional to help isolate the theater.

Scott Wilkinson [00:06:21]:
If we look at the next one, we can see this isolation wall. You spent a lot of time on that.

Robert Vanman [00:06:28]:
Yeah, that wall is 38 inches thick.

Scott Wilkinson [00:06:31]:
Wow.

Robert Vanman [00:06:32]:
And there's 15 different layers of that isolation wall. And Paradise Theater had done the calculations on what the STC value of that wall was, and their calculations were an STC of 114.

Scott Wilkinson [00:06:49]:
STC stands for sound transmission coefficient, which is a measure of how much sound is transmitted through that wall. And 114 is exceedingly little.

Robert Vanman [00:07:02]:
Yeah. It effectively means that a 114 decibel sound in the theater, if measured one meter outside of that isolation wall, it should be. You won't be able to hear it with a human ear.

Scott Wilkinson [00:07:20]:
Yeah, yeah. Going on to the next slide, we can see you even. This is the entrance into the theater. You call it an airlock. Yeah.

Robert Vanman [00:07:30]:
So there's two acoustic doors. The main theater door is a thing of. Of Note. It's a 550 pound 5 inch thick acoustic vault door that is. That was rated at STC61 before we put on decoration layers. And then so any sound that escapes past the primary theater door would go into this airlock, so to speak, and should be caught by the next acoustic door that sits on the right side of that diagram. So the combination of the two acoustic doors closely matches the performance of the 38 inch thick isolation wall.

Scott Wilkinson [00:08:26]:
Moving on to the next one here we have a cross section, side view, I think, of the. Of the theater. And the thing of note here is that you've got this whole room isolated. Twice isolated, actually.

Robert Vanman [00:08:43]:
Three times.

Scott Wilkinson [00:08:44]:
Three times isolated from the structure of the house.

Robert Vanman [00:08:48]:
So it's a room within a room within a room.

Scott Wilkinson [00:08:51]:
Chase.

Robert Vanman [00:08:52]:
So there's three different foundation or three different floor systems and three different wall structures. And the ceiling is its own fully isolated system. So there's the foundation structure is. Sits 30 inches lower than the rest of the house. And that was to make enough space for all of the additional layers. And then inside the structural foundation is a fully floating foundation. So that, you know, effectively makes no direct contact with the structural foundation. And so that's kind of the yellow layer you see in the diagram here.

Robert Vanman [00:09:37]:
And then the acoustic walls were connected to the floating foundation. And so the acoustic walls do not make direct contact with the structural wall. So the green is the structural walls, the yellow is the acoustic walls. And then kind of this orange is the visible room. So the visible room is, you know, ultimately it has a much lower volume than the structural room.

Scott Wilkinson [00:10:12]:
Yeah.

Robert Vanman [00:10:12]:
So it's actually only one third of the volume of the structural room. So there's. So, yeah, a room within a room within a room. So triple isolated. And then the blue, the isolated subfloor is another layer of isolation that does not make direct contact with the isolated foundation or the floating foundation. So that blue is the third layer,

Scott Wilkinson [00:10:42]:
which is the actual floor that you stand on.

Robert Vanman [00:10:45]:
Yes.

Scott Wilkinson [00:10:46]:
Okay, let's move on to the next one. So this is the plan for the acoustic treatments.

Robert Vanman [00:10:53]:
Yes. So Paradise Theater spent 5,000 hours of simulation time to come up with the optimal acoustic treatment for the room, to maximize speech intelligibility and to make sure the room was not too dead from over absorption. So you see all the blue here? Those are diffusers and there's some reflectors. And then the pink is primarily either absorbers or combos. So a lot of those are combination diffuser absorber that, you know, operate best at different frequencies. So they spend a lot of supercomputer time to come up with the optimal room treatment.

Scott Wilkinson [00:11:39]:
And here we see the viewing angle to the screen. And this is pretty important for immersion.

Robert Vanman [00:11:46]:
Yeah. So the, you know, I wanted the front seats to have a 60 degree viewing angle. We ended up with a 62 from the front seats. And the middle row has. I can't even read that.

Scott Wilkinson [00:11:59]:
I think it's like 42.

Robert Vanman [00:12:00]:
42 degrees. And then there's a row of bar stools on the back as well.

Scott Wilkinson [00:12:07]:
Now the THX and SMPTE recommendations are more on the order of 40 or 30, 30, 36 or something like that. So 62 seems mighty big to me.

Robert Vanman [00:12:19]:
Well, I would argue that 40 degree recommendations are dated and not. Not immersive.

Scott Wilkinson [00:12:29]:
All right, all right, I would accept that argument. And it's a mighty big screen too. 194 inch diagonal.

Robert Vanman [00:12:40]:
Yeah.

Scott Wilkinson [00:12:41]:
16 by 9. We're going to talk about that screen later.

Robert Vanman [00:12:45]:
Yeah. You can kind of see from this drawing that every speaker in the room was both horizontally and vertically aimed to the primary listening position.

Scott Wilkinson [00:12:59]:
Yeah. Yep. Okay, let's move on to the next one. We got like 10 diagrams. Here are the angles to all the speakers.

Robert Vanman [00:13:09]:
Yeah, it just kind of gives you a good idea. The, the front row is my primary. So my wife and I, we. We watch movies from the front row.

Scott Wilkinson [00:13:23]:
From the middle two seats.

Robert Vanman [00:13:25]:
Yes. So I host a lot of movie nights. In fact, while I'm standing here, I have a movie event going on right now. It's actually a bunch of kids.

Scott Wilkinson [00:13:35]:
Oh. Yeah.

Robert Vanman [00:13:37]:
But I, I host movie nights regularly with multiple groups and I have a kind of a queue of people waiting to come for the next movie night between the different groups.

Scott Wilkinson [00:13:50]:
Well, next time I'm in Texas, I. You. You'll hear from me.

Robert Vanman [00:13:53]:
Just give me a call.

Scott Wilkinson [00:13:56]:
I think we have one or two more plan diagrams. Okay. Here are the speaker angles from overhead.

Robert Vanman [00:14:03]:
Yep. And you just kind of see from there that everything is vertically and horizontally aimed for that primary lifting position.

Scott Wilkinson [00:14:11]:
Exactly. I forget if we have another drawing or not. What is the next one? Oh, here it is. The speed, the coverage from. Yeah. From the front speakers. And you can see all the seats get coverage from all three LCR speakers.

Robert Vanman [00:14:32]:
Oh, definitely. Yeah.

Scott Wilkinson [00:14:35]:
Yeah, That's. This is all so well planned out. And you had a lot of help with that.

Robert Vanman [00:14:43]:
Oh, yes. Yeah. I mean, I had, you know, I had a lot of concepts in my head of what I wanted it to be. And fortunately, Paradise Theater was able to take all of my input and put it into the design.

Scott Wilkinson [00:15:05]:
Great. So let's take a look at the actual build. So, as you see. Yeah. The foundation is lower than the rest of the house.

Robert Vanman [00:15:16]:
Yes.

Scott Wilkinson [00:15:18]:
To accommodate all that flooring that became

Robert Vanman [00:15:21]:
a swimming pool during the construction stage until we got a roof on it.

Scott Wilkinson [00:15:25]:
Right, right. Moving on to the next one. We can see some framing, I believe. Yep. Yeah.

Robert Vanman [00:15:31]:
So this is a steel system. So the. The ceiling is a suspended ceiling. And this steel holds that. That whole assembly and it does not touch the rest of the room. So it's completely isolated and it's very heavy. That is. I think that is 28ft tall.

Robert Vanman [00:15:55]:
I forget the height of that, but it's. It's way up there.

Scott Wilkinson [00:15:59]:
It's way up there. And in the next picture, we can see some of the framing around it.

Robert Vanman [00:16:05]:
Yeah. So that the isolation wall has, you know, a 6 inch layer of solid concrete. So the cinder blocks filled with concrete. That's just one of the layers, but there's 15 layers.

Scott Wilkinson [00:16:20]:
The next picture shows that isolation wall completed.

Robert Vanman [00:16:25]:
Yeah, that. Well, at least that part of it.

Scott Wilkinson [00:16:27]:
That part, yeah.

Robert Vanman [00:16:29]:
There's a whole bunch of layers that go on beyond on the inside of the room from here.

Scott Wilkinson [00:16:34]:
Right. But that's impressive in itself.

Robert Vanman [00:16:38]:
Yeah. So that this wall goes all the way up to the very top. So there's. It's a lot of effort went into ensuring that nothing, no energy leaves this room and enters the rest of the house. That's. That's how the floating foundation started life.

Scott Wilkinson [00:16:57]:
Right. Was with plywood and these foam isolators.

Robert Vanman [00:17:02]:
Yes.

Scott Wilkinson [00:17:05]:
And then you poured. Poured concrete over that. Yeah.

Robert Vanman [00:17:09]:
So what you're seeing here is the first layer of plywood. What you don't see is on the screen wall side of the room, there's a bunch more of these green blocks because there's so much weight in the front of the theater. The screen wall, because of the design that we did to isolate basically the. The speakers. I'll talk about that later.

Scott Wilkinson [00:17:34]:
But yeah. Yeah. Next picture shows I believe you're getting ready to pour the concrete.

Robert Vanman [00:17:41]:
Yeah, that's. That's the floating foundation prep. So yeah, the, the concrete gets poured on top of that. So underneath what you see here is, you know, below here there's two layers of. Of three quarter inch decking and then these foam isolators that sit underneath the decking. And then there's insulation between the foam isolators. This is after the isolated the floating foundation. So you're seeing the framing for the acoustic walls.

Robert Vanman [00:18:15]:
So the foam that's there, that's the foam that's in the structural walls.

Scott Wilkinson [00:18:19]:
Right.

Robert Vanman [00:18:19]:
And then there's a gap between these new walls that you see here and the wall behind it, which is the structural walls.

Scott Wilkinson [00:18:27]:
Right. The next one shows the hat channels that you use to isolate the ceiling. Yeah.

Robert Vanman [00:18:35]:
So the ceiling structure is a steel hat channel system with insulation, rockwool insulation above it, and then a sandwich of sheetrock, green glue, plywood, mass loaded vinyl, and then another sheetrock layer. And then it's all offset from the walls by a quarter of an inch. So that whole ceiling floats inside of the room and then it's filled with acoustic caulk to seal it without letting basically any energy that gets absorbed into the ceiling structure. We don't want that to get transferred to other layers in the room.

Scott Wilkinson [00:19:21]:
Why did you build a pitched ceiling here when you knew you were going to have that? Seems like an awful lot of wasted space above this ceiling.

Robert Vanman [00:19:30]:
Well, above that is all of the ventilation not wasted after all. No, it's.

Scott Wilkinson [00:19:36]:
It's filled ventilation wiring stats? Sort of.

Robert Vanman [00:19:41]:
Yeah. I don't know what other pictures you got to show, but there's, you know, there's a lot going on on the ceiling.

Scott Wilkinson [00:19:47]:
Okay. All right.

Robert Vanman [00:19:49]:
All right. So now that ceiling is completed.

Scott Wilkinson [00:19:52]:
Yep.

Robert Vanman [00:19:52]:
And you have the sheetrock on the ceiling and the walls. The next thing that goes in here is the isolated subfloor.

Scott Wilkinson [00:20:01]:
Right. Which actually, which we actually start with in the next picture.

Robert Vanman [00:20:05]:
Okay.

Scott Wilkinson [00:20:06]:
Yep.

Robert Vanman [00:20:07]:
So here's a part of the subfloor. Now the subfloor uses polyethylene sheets underneath it and to the sides. And there's no. The isolated subfloor is not attached to. To the room or the house. It's just nesting inside of these polyethylene sheets.

Scott Wilkinson [00:20:25]:
And the next picture shows the polyethylene sheets, I believe.

Robert Vanman [00:20:29]:
Okay. Yeah, you see one there. So the, the per. This subfloor was designed to be super heavy and to not resonate. So it's all glued and screwed together. There's two layers of plywood with a mass loaded vinyl layer in between. And then all glued and Screwed together. It was very heavy.

Robert Vanman [00:20:53]:
Oh, and of course, filled with Rockwool insulation, which I think.

Scott Wilkinson [00:20:55]:
Right. Which we saw in the previous picture. Well, wow. That. And that's just, that's just the, the, in the foundation basically of the theater.

Robert Vanman [00:21:07]:
So a lot more than that.

Scott Wilkinson [00:21:08]:
A lot more in there. Next thing we're going to talk about is, is the, what's, what you, you call the baffle wall. It's the screen wall, basically the front wall where the front left, right and center speakers and a lot more are located. So first we, we see a diagram of what was planned.

Robert Vanman [00:21:30]:
Yep, that's the, the front wall assembly. So the speakers, there's basically, there's a baffle wall in the middle section. You're holding the lcrs.

Scott Wilkinson [00:21:44]:
And by baffle wall, we mean that the speakers are mounted so that the front. Front is flush with the wall.

Robert Vanman [00:21:52]:
That's correct. And there's a key strategy that we employed. You know, I'm a, I'm a very firm believer in how speakers are mounted as a audible impact on how they sound. And I think having speakers freestanding, you know, it. If the speaker is not heavy enough, then the, the cabinet can move a little bit. That's very destructive for the sound waves that it generates. So, you know, you want to. To hard mount speakers whenever you can.

Robert Vanman [00:22:28]:
You want the speaker box to be rigidly held down so it can't move. But the problem is, is when you rigidly mount speakers that, you know, you're coupling it to something, and that is a conduit to transfer that energy to other stuff. So. And of course, the isolation was such a big part of this design. So we wanted to, to get the best sound out of the speakers with rigid mounting. But we wanted the best isolation possible. And the way to achieve both of those at the same time was using a very, very heavy systems for mounting the speakers and then using extreme isolation underneath the speakers that would keep the, the stands or the cabinets or the baffle wall from being able to transfer energy. In fact, ahead of the call, I went and grabbed one of these things.

Robert Vanman [00:23:32]:
So this is a Sorbothane isolation ring. So this is a, a kind of a gooey soft material that holds the world record for the greatest damping characteristics. And so I had done some research into what are the best isolation materials and came across Sorbothane, and I ended up.

Scott Wilkinson [00:24:00]:
By the way, congratulations for using the word damage. Damping, not dampening. Dampening means making wet, and a lot of people make that mistake. So that's the editor, geek in me coming out. Yeah.

Robert Vanman [00:24:14]:
I don't want any dampening in my theater.

Scott Wilkinson [00:24:16]:
No, no. You want damping.

Robert Vanman [00:24:19]:
Yes. So anyhow, so this for the subwoofers. Maybe we should talk about the speakers.

Scott Wilkinson [00:24:27]:
Yeah.

Robert Vanman [00:24:27]:
So I have JBL synthesis speakers in the theater plus I have two Ascendo 24 inch infrasonic speakers. Now the, my LCRS are JBL's flagship, the SCL1s and those are you know, dual 12 inch drivers and a big horn and they're large speakers. They're. I don't know if you. There's some pictures that show.

Scott Wilkinson [00:24:53]:
Right. Well here's, here's the, the front wall being built.

Robert Vanman [00:24:58]:
Yeah. So this is a good photo to show a little bit of the scale. So the two speakers on top of the stands on the left and right, those are JBL subwoofers, Those are the SSW1s and those are dual 15s that are separately driven and separately ported. But those, those speakers weigh 350 pounds. And I mean it, it took, I mean it took machines to put those speakers up on those stands, not people. And then below Those are the Ascendo 24 inch infrasonics. But both the JBLs and the Ascendos are bolted into this steel stand assembly that is heavy weighted. So there's 2 inches of cold rolled steel you across the whole bottoms to boost weight.

Robert Vanman [00:25:58]:
And then there's I think five layers of birch plywood and four layers of mass loaded vinyl all to increase the weight of these assemblies. So these assemblies weigh a thousand pounds.

Scott Wilkinson [00:26:10]:
Oh man.

Robert Vanman [00:26:12]:
The, so the JBLs are bolted tightly down into this stand and the ascendos are compressed. So there's, there's a series of brackets that squeeze the Ascendos into the stand between two mass loaded vinyl layers. So there's a little bit of give with the mass loaded vinyl. But the point of compressing the Ascendos into a super heavy speaker mount was to make the speakers behave as a 1000 pound speaker. So that helps the energy that's going in to the speaker. You know the difference between the weight of the cone material and the weight of the speaker which is now a thousand pounds is you know the delta or the, the ratio is extreme. So allows the, the cone material to move much more relative to the speakers moving. Because the speakers are just not moving when they're this heavy.

Scott Wilkinson [00:27:16]:
Yeah, yeah.

Robert Vanman [00:27:17]:
And then there's eight sorbothane isolation rings underneath each of the subwoofer stands. And that ensures that the vibrations and energy that the speaker stand experiences has a, a virtually impossible job of being able to transfer energy to the subfloor. Sorry, it, it just, it doesn't transfer the energy.

Scott Wilkinson [00:27:44]:
And those subwoofers and particularly the infrasonic subs, they are generating a lot of mechanical energy.

Robert Vanman [00:27:52]:
Yeah, those, those have three inches of throw. So they, they're, they're moving. Yeah, they move a lot of volume.

Scott Wilkinson [00:28:02]:
Yeah. Yeah. The next picture shows the baffle wall basically done with the screen framing.

Robert Vanman [00:28:10]:
Yeah. Now the LCRs are not in place there. I don't know what speakers do you have some pictures of the lcrs?

Scott Wilkinson [00:28:17]:
I do. Coming right up. All right, but before we get there, you sent me a couple of pictures to the next one next to in fact show the scale.

Robert Vanman [00:28:28]:
Yep. That's the ascendos.

Scott Wilkinson [00:28:30]:
That's, that's a massive subwoofer. And then the next one I think is the JBL subwoofer.

Robert Vanman [00:28:36]:
Yep. So I have five of those in the room. So there's one of these in each corner and there's a fifth one that's front and center.

Scott Wilkinson [00:28:46]:
And then the last picture in this sequence shows them all in place.

Robert Vanman [00:28:50]:
All right. Yeah. So the, the lcrs. I mounted the lcrs by putting on eight steel right angle corner brackets. Not corner, just right angle brackets on each of the JBLs. And then was able to bolt the JBL LCR speakers into a 2,000 pound baffle wall. So the baffle wall that they're mounting mounted on is a three, three layers of plywood, birch plywood, two layers of mass loaded vinyl and then filled with rockwool insulation. It is.

Robert Vanman [00:29:30]:
And then it's all on this steel stand. So that assembly weighs 2,000 pounds. And then there's a whole bunch of sorbothane isolation rings on the bottom to ensure that any energy that's experienced by the baffle wall does not transfer to the subfloor. And it's staged off from the back wall of the acoustic room. So it's very, very heavy.

Scott Wilkinson [00:29:57]:
Yeah. And very isolated.

Robert Vanman [00:29:59]:
Yes.

Scott Wilkinson [00:30:01]:
Wow. Okay, next up, I want to talk a little bit about the projector and the projector box in particular.

Robert Vanman [00:30:08]:
All right, so the projector that I have is. It's a Sony.

Scott Wilkinson [00:30:15]:
Trying to remember the VPL VW 5000 ES.

Robert Vanman [00:30:19]:
That's the one.

Scott Wilkinson [00:30:20]:
Thank you.

Robert Vanman [00:30:22]:
So that is, it is an older projector. It's the same projector that's in the Han theater.

Scott Wilkinson [00:30:27]:
Which was your previous theater.

Robert Vanman [00:30:29]:
No, no, that was somebody else's. My target, the Han theater in Connecticut won the home theater of the decade By AVS forums.

Scott Wilkinson [00:30:41]:
Right.

Robert Vanman [00:30:42]:
And so the Han Theater is a pretty famous theater. And reading about the Han Theater, I, I ended up choosing to use the same projector in the Hannah I had. Actually, I was going to go with the new version of the Sony that was a 10,000 lumen version of their professional. But Paradise Theater did the testing or I guess the geometry and they determined that a 10,000 lumen lumen projector in my theater would be a real eye safety hazard. So if you walk by the screen

Scott Wilkinson [00:31:20]:
and you look up at the projector as it's blasting.

Robert Vanman [00:31:23]:
Yeah, yeah, that, that's, that's a legitimate eye safety hazard. So I decided to not go bonkers on the projector, just leave some eye safety protection.

Scott Wilkinson [00:31:35]:
I think that's wise. Sure.

Robert Vanman [00:31:38]:
But the projector looks great. I mean you don't, you don't feel like you're missing any brightness, I'm sure.

Scott Wilkinson [00:31:47]:
And then.

Robert Vanman [00:31:47]:
So the box that you saw there, the. Yeah. So that the projector box has two layers of plywood. It has a mass loaded vinyl sandwich in the middle of that. Then it's insulated on the inside, but you can kind of pick up from here. The projector box does not touch any of the cabinets or the ceiling. It's double isolated. So the projector box is on some kinetics isolation hangers.

Robert Vanman [00:32:16]:
And then inside the projector box is another layer of isolation. Yeah. So the tray is suspended inside a suspended cabinet. So it's double isolated and insulated. It has its own ventilation in and out that's separate from the room. AC ventilation. And it on the front of it is a, a port glass window with two layers of port glass that are at different angles and they're different thicknesses of port glass to ensure there's not interference patterns that can be generated. And so it's, it's sealed to the room.

Robert Vanman [00:33:01]:
The only air is, is going off, you know, into my attic that's, you know, feeding the projector box.

Scott Wilkinson [00:33:09]:
Right.

Robert Vanman [00:33:10]:
And then I use magnetic clips to put the, the stain trim around this. So it looks like it's built into the cabinet, but it's actually suspended inside.

Scott Wilkinson [00:33:22]:
Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. Okay, next picture we're going to see the room closer to being done. Yep. And this is I guess without the fabric of all of these surfaces that all of these places you see now where there's a bunch of speakers are covered with fabric, which we'll see later.

Robert Vanman [00:33:44]:
Yes. So all of the, the bed layer channels and the Atmos channels are the JBL synthesis SCL6 which is a very narrow. It has four. Drivers plus a horn. But it's designed to be a wall mounted speaker. But we wanted to aim every speaker both vertically and horizontally. So we built our own boxes for the SCL6s. But in order to be.

Robert Vanman [00:34:21]:
To maximize the back box volume, we ended up creating six different configurations. So some of the. Some of the speakers are biased to the top of the box, some are to the bottom, some to the middle, just in order to fit into the room best. So we could do all these custom boxes to minimize compromises.

Scott Wilkinson [00:34:47]:
So, yeah, I'd say this whole theater is a no compromise situation almost. Anyway, the next one is another view without the, I guess, the screens in place here. But you have lighting behind the fabric,

Robert Vanman [00:35:02]:
so this is finished. So there's. There's fabric here, but none of the interior lights are on in the room. But I have lighting behind the fabric to illuminate the goods. Behind the fabric. So you can see the speakers and the diffusers. You can. Now, this is a little bit of a cheat to.

Robert Vanman [00:35:27]:
I hate to admit it, but the screen is, of course, it's acoustically transparent, but it is not visually transparent. So I did.

Scott Wilkinson [00:35:38]:
If it's acoustically transparent, it can't be visually transparent because it's got to have some holes one way or another. Woven fabric.

Robert Vanman [00:35:46]:
It is a woven, you know, Seymour screen Excellence screen. But it just.

Scott Wilkinson [00:35:52]:
You.

Robert Vanman [00:35:53]:
I couldn't see the speakers in the baffle wall, even with the lighting behind it. So I'm cheating. I'm actually projecting a photograph that I took. So I took a photograph of it before the screen got up. And then. Then I have a little, little device that I can project that photograph onto the screen.

Scott Wilkinson [00:36:14]:
Wow. So there's no light behind the projection screen itself?

Robert Vanman [00:36:18]:
Oh, there is, but you can't see it.

Scott Wilkinson [00:36:22]:
So that's amazing.

Robert Vanman [00:36:24]:
Cheating a little bit just so you can kind of appreciate.

Scott Wilkinson [00:36:27]:
All right, all right, I get it.

Robert Vanman [00:36:29]:
But all the rest of these openings are. Are legit. These are. You're looking through the fabric with the lighting behind the fabric.

Scott Wilkinson [00:36:37]:
Right. Got one more picture, I think, of. Of the side wall with that same kind of effect. And you can see the acoustic treatments and the speakers.

Robert Vanman [00:36:47]:
Yeah, there's actually a speaker. You see the two columns? The right column on this photo, there is a speaker inside that column. Yeah, you can see a little bit of cones there, but that. So one of the speakers are mounted into that column.

Scott Wilkinson [00:37:08]:
And the next picture shows some stuff in the back, I believe. Yeah.

Robert Vanman [00:37:13]:
So the back wall has, you know, two fabric sections, but Those fabric walls are actually doors that can swing open so you can see what's behind it. So you can. This is actually an access door, but it allows you to, to see behind the fabric wall completely.

Scott Wilkinson [00:37:33]:
Yeah, yeah. Well, it's, it's starting to look like something real special. The next picture is your equipment rack. Yep.

Robert Vanman [00:37:43]:
So I have a little ab room off the airlock. And then it's, there's I think 11amplifiers. So there's five amplifiers for the JBL subwoofers. And those, uh, uh, they were crown amps. They're now a JBL amp. But those are 5200 watts. So they're, they're 2600 watts per channel. So each of the subwoofers, those are the subwoofers.

Robert Vanman [00:38:16]:
And then below those five subwoofers are six ATI amplifiers. And so the front speakers, the LCRs, each get their own 1,000 watt amplifier. And so the, the front LCRs are bi amped. So 500 watt channel goes to the low frequencies and a 500 watt channel goes to the high frequencies. So each of the LCRS has a dedicated thousand watt amp. And then there's three amps that are six channel amps and they're 300 watts per channel. So all of the surround speakers and the Atmos speakers each have a 300 watt channel. And then there's a Trin off processor.

Robert Vanman [00:39:01]:
It's actually the JBL branded Trinoff processor on top.

Scott Wilkinson [00:39:08]:
Right. JBL synthesis, SDP 75, 32 channels of audio processing. Yeah.

Robert Vanman [00:39:15]:
So it's, it's the same as a Trin off, it's just branded jbl.

Scott Wilkinson [00:39:20]:
Right, right. Also in this rack, I believe is a MADVR NV Extreme video processor, which helps with aspect ratio control and other things. You're using Kaleidoscape as your primary source, right?

Robert Vanman [00:39:34]:
Yeah, absolutely.

Scott Wilkinson [00:39:36]:
But you also have an Oppo UDP 203 in there, just like me now. Yeah, they're coveted for sure. Apple TV 4K and and so on. Crestron for control. Now I wanted to point out in your, in your coffee table book, which we're going to talk about in a minute, you say that there's a total of, of, let me see what it is here. 46,400 watts, man. 46 kilowatts of power.

Robert Vanman [00:40:22]:
Yeah. That AV room can get really hot. So it has its own AC unit. But I've been having problems with that AC unit. So when it goes down and I, I realize that that AC unit is down again. That AV room, you know, can get way too hot.

Scott Wilkinson [00:40:42]:
Really hot. Okay, now, once the theater was done, you did some calibration, obviously, and some noise testing. And I want to show the results of that. First is a picture of the testing setup, which, which you have a microphone in almost every chair.

Robert Vanman [00:41:08]:
Yeah. So the calibration was done by Paradise Theater, their acoustic engineer. And they spent three days. So there's actually three of their. Their guys were working on this over three days. So nine man days went into the calibration of this theater. And I have to tell you, before calibration, I was disappointed. You know, I, I listened to some music and watched a movie before we did the calibration.

Robert Vanman [00:41:37]:
And if you can imagine, you know, a five year project and, you know, it was not inexpensive and so I had high expectations and. But when I first listened to it, it was disappointing. It sounded, I mean, there's no doubt there had a lot of power, a lot of bass, but the bass was kind of muddy and vocals sounded terrible, actually. And so I was challenging Paradise. I said, I, I don't, I cannot comprehend that just calibration is going to fix this. And they assured me, Robert, just chill. Just let us get the calibration done. You'll be amazed.

Robert Vanman [00:42:20]:
And I was. After they did the calibration, it was, it was like a chorus of angels.

Scott Wilkinson [00:42:27]:
Like.

Robert Vanman [00:42:27]:
No, it was a joyful moment when I, when I heard it after calibration. And so they ended up saving a number of different profiles. They did a flat profile, you know, that was essentially flat from 7 hertz to 40,000 hertz. But it was not a very exciting sounding profile. And ultimately the profile that I like the most, that we saved as the default has a base increase from 200 Hz down to 2 Hz.

Scott Wilkinson [00:43:04]:
And we have a picture, we have a picture of that.

Robert Vanman [00:43:06]:
Oh yeah, you can throw it up. So you can see actually peaks at 12 hertz and then down to 7 hertz. You know, the SP level at 7 hertz is the same as what's across the, you know, pretty much the rest of the curve. And then there's still a lot of energy down to 2 hertz. So there's, there's truly deep bass in this room. And then we did roll off above 10,000 hertz. So 10,000 to 20,000 hertz has a distinct roll off. It just sounded more pleasing to do that.

Scott Wilkinson [00:43:47]:
So this sound, this looks very much like, like the curve that, that most people target that they really want, called the, the room curve. Sometimes used in headphones as well to try and balance the headphone sound to replicate this.

Robert Vanman [00:44:04]:
Yeah.

Scott Wilkinson [00:44:05]:
And it, it looks phenomenal. I mean, I'm not sure headphones go down to 10 hertz or 2 hertz or 2 hertz. That's, that's pants flapping territory there.

Robert Vanman [00:44:17]:
Yes.

Scott Wilkinson [00:44:19]:
Now other measurements that, that you did in order to verify the, the noise floor and the sound transmission to the rest of the house were also very interesting. Here's the noise floor measurement in your room.

Robert Vanman [00:44:37]:
So the first time we did a noise floor measurement, the curve looked different than this. And it turned out that the room is so quiet that the microphone system that paradise had been using for years, the internal noise in the microphone was too high so that it, you, you couldn't really see any fidelity or any detail below really was 12 hertz or 12 decibels. So they, after testing the Van Cave initially they made the decision to buy this new microphone that was, I think it was like $30,000 this microphone. But they were able. Then they came back to the Van Cave and did a new set of testing, which is what you see here. So the, there's a green curve and an orange curve. The orange curve is with the system turned off. The ventilation in the room is still running with that.

Robert Vanman [00:45:40]:
And then the green curve is with the system on. And the reason there's a difference is all has to do with the ascendo subwoofers. So I love them, but they, it sure does irritate me that they make so much noise. They have. Relative to how quiet this room is.

Scott Wilkinson [00:45:57]:
Right. And the noise is coming from the amplifier.

Robert Vanman [00:46:01]:
There's fans on the built in amplifiers.

Scott Wilkinson [00:46:04]:
Fans on the amplifiers. Yep.

Robert Vanman [00:46:06]:
Just cooling fans. But when the room is this quiet, that tiny little cooling fan is audible. You can hear it. You know, normally I think most any other theater you would never notice that, but that was, it stood out like a sore thumb in my room. So if you take a look down the orange curve, you know, at 250 hertz all the way up to 10,000 hertz is basically measuring zero DB. So there was effectively, you know, well, inaudible.

Scott Wilkinson [00:46:47]:
Completely hearing. I mean zero db is, is inaudible. Completely inaudible, yeah. And just, just so that people understand, these other curves here, they're, they're these curves labeled NC 45, 40, 35 and so on. These are the thresholds, essentially the noise floors at different decibel levels. And what most recording studios get to, they get to or below like NC15 or NC10 and you're down at least NC10 and below.

Robert Vanman [00:47:24]:
Yeah. So with the infrasonic amplifiers on, you know, it was rated at NC10, but with those amplifiers off, you know, it is well below the bottom curve, which is NC5.

Scott Wilkinson [00:47:39]:
So arguably it's NC0. Yeah, NC standing for noise coefficient.

Robert Vanman [00:47:44]:
Noise criteria.

Scott Wilkinson [00:47:45]:
Criteria, sorry. Yes, exactly.

Robert Vanman [00:47:48]:
All those curves are the equal loudness contours.

Scott Wilkinson [00:47:51]:
Right? Exactly. Okay, so it's a super quiet room. You can probably hear your own heartbeat if there's.

Robert Vanman [00:47:59]:
Oh yes, it's, it's, can be unnerving,

Scott Wilkinson [00:48:03]:
but it's not quite an anechoic chamber, but it's close.

Robert Vanman [00:48:08]:
It's, it's wonderful to go back into the theater to read or do devotions or, you know, even, even if I'm not running the system. Yeah, it's, it's a delight to hang out in.

Scott Wilkinson [00:48:25]:
So then we get to the sound transmission coefficient, which is how much sound in the room is getting out to the rest of the house. Or at least a meter away on the other side of that wall.

Robert Vanman [00:48:39]:
Yeah, so this is some measurements of noise in the theater and then recordings of during that same moment outside of the theater. So one meter beyond the second acoustic door. And the problem is, you know, so ultimately they concluded that it's about an NC1 or not NC, that it's STC. STC110 was what they rated the room at. They couldn't measure it directly because to measure a STC110, you would have to generate sounds so loud in the theater that it would destroy the equipment. You just couldn't do it. So what they did is they ended up generating a 94 decibel pink noise stimulus, which is the purple curve. Yes.

Robert Vanman [00:49:39]:
And then they measured what they could pick up from the game room and then they, they ratioed this or they, they extrapolated for a higher level. So it's, it's not a super legitimate STC110 test, but it, it validated the calculation of STC110. But I mean, the, the practical reality is when you're watching a movie in the theater and you're out in the game room, you can't hear what's going on. Certainly the rest of the house, there's not a chance the game room shares the one door, but you have to, you have to be standing basically right next to the door and listening carefully. And sometimes you can pick up a little bit of rumble, but it's so, so tiny.

Scott Wilkinson [00:50:33]:
Just tell us quickly what the red cyan and yellow curves are.

Robert Vanman [00:50:37]:
All right, so this, this is different locations. Ah, so there's the Red line is a combined level 1 meter outside the door. The blue line is a combined level in the center of the game room. And then the yellow line is the background noise level of the game. So if, if there was no, nothing going on in the theater, the yellow line is what the game room was. So then the, the blue and the red are measurements with the 94 decibel pink noise running in the theater. So basically there's, there's effectively no sound transmission below 50 hertz or 125 hertz.

Scott Wilkinson [00:51:27]:
I'm sorry.

Robert Vanman [00:51:28]:
So below 125, there's a little bit. But if you remember back to the equal contour lines of the. Or equal loudness contours. Yeah, you, those follow a curve like that. So it's, it's, it's very, very, very tiny.

Scott Wilkinson [00:51:47]:
Yeah, yeah. And yeah, yeah, it's, it's astonishing. It really is. Okay, let's finish off with a video tour that you, you shot some video. And I would love to show people the final result of all of this work.

Robert Vanman [00:52:07]:
All right, so we're walking down the back hallway. If you look up to the left here, we're going to enter the Van Cave. So my last name is Van man and this is my man cave. So we call it the Man Cave.

Scott Wilkinson [00:52:19]:
Very good.

Robert Vanman [00:52:20]:
And this is my game room. I entertain a lot. So I have, I have events regularly at my house. And so it's just a number of tables. Gaming, foosball. I have a professional poker table, pool table, kind of a puzzle table, or in fact, I think there's a puzzle on that table right now. Chess table, and then a bar area.

Scott Wilkinson [00:52:46]:
So.

Robert Vanman [00:52:46]:
All right, so as we're entering back here, you see the marquee above the theater door. I have a popcorn machine on the left, of course. Yes, you gotta have popcorn. Gotta have popcorn.

Scott Wilkinson [00:52:58]:
Got a whole, you got a whole little bar area. Kitchen. A little kitchen.

Robert Vanman [00:53:02]:
A sonic ice machine there and regular ice maker.

Scott Wilkinson [00:53:05]:
And so here's the first door.

Robert Vanman [00:53:07]:
Yeah. So now you're entering the sound lock, the airlock. They are locked. Yes. And then the, the, you're coming up to the big heavy theater door far left there. So I'll just let the video.

Scott Wilkinson [00:53:24]:
You know, it's interesting that, that actually for the size of the overall structure, the room does not feel that big.

Robert Vanman [00:53:33]:
Yeah, I mean, the, the visible room is, I think it's 25ft 8 inches by 18ft 3 inches. So this door, before I go on, you see there's three seals on this door. And then the door actually lifts off the ground as it opens. So it's, it's actually about a half inch higher as it's open. And now as you close it, the door is dropping down. And then when it closes, now the whole seal on the bottom is sealed. So it drops into place at the end. Then I have these huge magnets that hold it open once I open it.

Scott Wilkinson [00:54:16]:
Nice bar area or. Yeah, bar stools. Yeah. In the back.

Robert Vanman [00:54:21]:
And then it's got a, a barreled ceiling.

Scott Wilkinson [00:54:25]:
That was astonishing to me. I, I don't think I've ever seen, I've seen it. But it so rare to have that curved barrel ceiling.

Robert Vanman [00:54:33]:
Yeah. And it's high. So actually the, you know, the acoustic room has a 14 and a half foot ceiling height. The visible room is, I think it's 12ft or 12 and a half feet technically for the visible room.

Scott Wilkinson [00:54:55]:
I noticed you went with a 16 by 9 aspect ratio screen. And when you want to watch movies, you have a. The automatic masking system reduces gums up from the top and bottom. Yep.

Robert Vanman [00:55:10]:
And we biased it to the bottom. So when, when, you know, most of the movies that I watch are going to be a 240 or 235 aspect ratio. And so I use the maximum amount of fabric that the Seymour screen excellence comes with. So it's from 16 by 9 to 240. The top comes down, you know, about, I don't know, probably 18 inches. And then the bottom comes up about 4 inches. So I, you know, since the primary listening position is in the front row.

Scott Wilkinson [00:55:49]:
Right. At the lowest level.

Robert Vanman [00:55:50]:
Natural. So if the screen is up high, you know, it's not as natural. So I wanted the screen to, to bias to the bottom to feel more natural from the front row.

Scott Wilkinson [00:56:03]:
Right. And I see you're in your office or an office, and it's got a, also a, a tray ceiling there. Very nice. A lot of wood.

Robert Vanman [00:56:15]:
A little bit of wood. This is my study. So I work out of my, my home office currently.

Scott Wilkinson [00:56:22]:
Right.

Robert Vanman [00:56:22]:
So I wanted my home office to function as an office. And it's, it's got lots of wood. I like the wood.

Scott Wilkinson [00:56:31]:
Okay, so the final question is, how much did you spend on this?

Robert Vanman [00:56:40]:
So I had, I had not revealed that until this past January. I had a 5 fundraiser. My, you know, when we started the project, my Target goal was $500,000 was my budget for finish out and equipment. But I like to say that that was absolute ignorance. And so, you know, it wasn't until I, you know, much later I finally forced myself to Actually, look at the real cost. And I ended up spending about 1.3 million, all said and done. So there's just so much time spent in the, the construction and then, you know, the, the woodwork was not inexpensive and there's just. Everything adds up,

Scott Wilkinson [00:57:41]:
you know. I mean, most construction projects, certainly of this level, tend to go over budget. Yep. This was no exception,

Robert Vanman [00:57:52]:
unfortunately.

Scott Wilkinson [00:57:53]:
Yeah, unfortunately. Well, you know, yes, it's not within reach of most people, but in the old adage, you get what you pay for and you got something really, really special here.

Robert Vanman [00:58:07]:
Yes. And I, I use it a lot and it's so much fun, you know, to have a, a venue that my friends like to come to. So it's just, it's been, it's just great having the opportunity to, to host lots of friends and to be kind of a central hub with the people in my life.

Scott Wilkinson [00:58:35]:
We'll, we'll mention that the YouTube personality known as Youthman, real name Michael Stevens, did a profile on your theater and that is on his YouTube channel. We'll include the URL in the show notes so that people can go see that one too. I believe you said that a lot of your contractors were in on that video as well.

Robert Vanman [00:59:05]:
Yeah, that was, that was a pretty highly produced video. And we had. The builder was there, Paradise Theater was there. The interior designer, the acoustic engineer was there.

Scott Wilkinson [00:59:19]:
Acoustician.

Robert Vanman [00:59:20]:
Yes, I couldn't think of that. And then Elliston Systems, they were there. So there's kind of interviews of a number of people involved in the project.

Scott Wilkinson [00:59:32]:
Right.

Robert Vanman [00:59:33]:
So it's actually very entertaining. It is very long, but it's like watching a TV show.

Scott Wilkinson [00:59:38]:
There you go. Exactly. I also want to take a moment to acknowledge one of the things that you do is that you have a charity that is quite amazing. And this fundraiser that you did in January, I think was for that charity, is it not?

Robert Vanman [00:59:58]:
Yeah, it was.

Scott Wilkinson [01:00:00]:
So tell us a little bit about that.

Robert Vanman [01:00:02]:
So my non profit is called Amazi Water and we build water wells in the country of Burundi, Africa. And most people have never heard of Burundi, Africa. It is the poorest country in the world by quite a wide margin and also has the least access to clean water of all countries in Africa. One of the unique things about, about Burundi is no major water charities have worked in this country. So in the water sector, it's. It's actually called the forgotten country. None of the. Nobody wanted to work in Burundi because, you know, the, the infrastructure of the country is very, very limited.

Robert Vanman [01:00:48]:
And you know, it's this, it's a Very challenging environment to work in. So, you know, there were a lot easier targets for most major water charities. So as a result, the country has been left behind. And so when I got started In Burundi, only 15% of the population had access to clean water. 85% of a country of 13 million people draw their water from rivers and lakes and swamps. And they have the, the death rate and the mortality rate that one would expect by drinking swamp water. You know, you know, somewhere between one out of four and one out of five children die before reaching five years old.

Scott Wilkinson [01:01:41]:
Oh my God.

Robert Vanman [01:01:42]:
Well, it's, it's, you know, the mortality rate for children is extreme and it's all preventable. It's just lack of access to clean water. So we, after selling my company to Motorola, we, you know, we ended up establishing this nonprofit called Amazi Water. And we are focused explicitly on Burundi. And we build large distributed, solar powered water projects that are effectively small municipal water systems in each community. So some of the other factors about Burundi is it's the most densely populated country in East Africa and there's a lot of available groundwater because it borders Lake Tanganyika, which is the second largest body of fresh water in the world. So the water is there, the population density is extreme, and the need is off the charts extreme. That makes building water projects in Burundi are extremely beneficial and cost effective.

Robert Vanman [01:02:51]:
So there's more people per pump, per se. So each, our average water project is serving 5,000 people and it makes the cost per person served about $15. And you compare that to pretty much all other water charities which are doing great work, but they don't have these unusual efficiencies and opportunities that we have. In Burundi, most water charities are spending 50 to $65 per person served where Aussie water is 15. In fact, last year we're at 14 was what we ended up at the end of the year. And it's, it's, it's the most. The way I looked at it is I wanted to find something that had the maximum impact I could possibly make with my resources. And, and that's, that's what this is.

Robert Vanman [01:03:52]:
I know of no other thing I can possibly do in my life and the extra resources that God has entrusted to me than building water projects in the country of Burundi, Africa. I like to say that we are working to help fix the biggest problem in the poorest country in the world and that that enables us to have the maximum impact per dollar. So we calculate that every $200 that we spend will eliminate one child's death and we have, in fact, most of the projects that we end up auditing, we end up more about $100 per life. We try to be conservative in our claims. Our claims, $200 per life. But right now, we're actually beating that.

Scott Wilkinson [01:04:47]:
Wow. Well, you. You are so blessed to be able to do that. And, yeah, you are offering such a blessing to. To this country that so desperately needs it. I. I applaud you, sir.

Robert Vanman [01:05:01]:
Well, it's. It's a joy. And that's. It's. You know, back in 2014, you know, I felt God saying, this is the next chapter of your life.

Scott Wilkinson [01:05:14]:
So that's.

Robert Vanman [01:05:15]:
That's what I've been focusing on.

Scott Wilkinson [01:05:17]:
Well, commendations. Many commendations to you for that. That's.

Robert Vanman [01:05:22]:
We have a great team. We have some amazing people that have, you know, come. You know, we have about 150 employees right now.

Scott Wilkinson [01:05:33]:
May you continue your good works. I appreciate it, and I thank you so much for being here on the show and showing us your amazing home theater. I mean, next time I get to Dallas, you can expect a call. All right. You be sure to call me, Scott,

Robert Vanman [01:05:49]:
when you come out and schedule some time. I'll spend some time with you.

Scott Wilkinson [01:05:56]:
Excellent. I sure do appreciate it. Thank you so much. That is Robert Van man in near Dallas, Texas, with the amazing Van Cave Theater. Look at that. That is just. Just astonishing. And you should have led with that picture, Scott.

Scott Wilkinson [01:06:19]:
Well, maybe we can do that in post. Okay, very good. Thanks again, Robert. Thank you, Scott.

Robert Vanman [01:06:25]:
Have a great day.

Scott Wilkinson [01:06:26]:
Thanks, you too.

Robert Vanman [01:06:28]:
Goodbye.

Scott Wilkinson [01:06:28]:
Now, if you have a question for me, send it on along to HTGWIT TV and I'll answer as many as I can right here on the show. And if you have a home theater you're proud of, even if it's not quite up to the level of the Van Cave Theater, that's totally fine. Send me some pics. I'd love to see them, and maybe we'll get you on the show. Until next time, geek out.