Home Theater Geeks 451 Transcript

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00:00 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
In this episode of Home Theater Geeks, I finish my conversation with Mike Heiss, who attended the 2024 Cedia Expo in Denver, colorado. In this episode, we talk about audio products, so stick around.

00:18 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
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00:22 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
This is TWIT from people you trust. This is twit. Hey, there scott wilkinson. Here, the home theater geek in this episode. I conclude my discussion with mike heiss, journalist, consultant and consultant, and Jolly Good Cedia Fellow, who attended the 2024 Cedia Expo at the Denver Convention Center in Denver, colorado. Hey, mike, welcome back. Hey, well, I feel like I've been here before, and so you have.

01:05 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
Yeah, I know, I got to stop wearing this same shirt all the time.

01:09 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Yeah, me too.

01:12 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
They gave it to me.

01:13 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Yes, and rightly so, as they should. So, as I mentioned, this is a three-part episode, three episodes to cover Cedia. It was so big and there was so much stuff, and in this third part we're going to talk about audio. I wanted to just make sure everybody understands where the show was, this great convention center in Denver which you can see here, and it puts some miles on your shoes, doesn't it, mike?

01:44 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
and it puts some miles on your shoes, doesn't it, mike? 21, no, 20-something miles, because I did use the pedometer. And the weirdest audio thing is that escalator that you see, which is where you go from the street level up to where the exhibit floor is. It's called the Laughing Escalator. What? Because it was probably done by the same guys that did the laundry jet. As you're going up the escalator, you hear. Really, I'm like what the hell is that? I don't remember that.

02:18 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
You have to get a tune.

02:19 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
I asked somebody about it and they said oh yeah, it's like a thing.

02:22 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
It's like a thing. Okay, all right. Well, we're going to talk about audio in this episode, and audio products in particular, and we're going to start with audio video receivers AVRs, what's that? What's that? You only worked in that business for 25 years and still are doing some work in that business. I'd say that is indeed correct. Yes, so, as we talked about the JBL AV receivers in part one, but we're going to get a little more into it here, they had a new series called the MA series.

02:57 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
Which stands for Modern Audio. Ah and I, as you said, and there you go, that's the MA510, and I did a lot of AVRs in my day and none of them looked like that. But at that time none of them would have looked like that. But I've been talking to notice that it's $599. Now I've been sort of not preaching, but you know, speculating that the AVR is kind of gone below $1,000.

03:28
So, what the heck is a $599 AVR? And the answer is for people who want something that's a step up from a soundbar. And do you have the white one, scott?

03:40 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
I don't have a picture of the white one.

03:42 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
There's also a white one of the same look an AVR, a receiver, as Dr Harmon when he put together the first receiver in the 50s. It's what was then a preamp, a tuner and a receiver in one box. I'm sorry, a preamp, a tuner and an amp.

04:15 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
And an amplifier.

04:16 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
yeah, and that's what this is in a modern day look. But it's clean, it's short, it's all the things that I couldn't have done or wouldn't have been allowed to do Class D amp, lots of HDMI, a big two-line display, a button with 10 remotes, and I used to look for more buttons. And then you go back and you say but in a world where sources are increasingly menu-driven, do you really need that many buttons? And clearly the folks at JBL don't think that you do.

04:57 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
So you've only got five buttons on this remote on this front panel here.

05:02 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
Well, but you've also got the button where it says input on one side. If you could put above where the power switch is, that's how you can change things when you hit menu and then you turn that knob and blammo. There you are. You know funny thing there isn't even a mute button. If somebody gave me an AVR without a mute button I'd fire them. Now I'm guessing that you press the button in the volume control to do that, but clearly, to their credit, a lot of thought went into this and it'll be very interesting to see how much resonance this gets in the market, and particularly with JBL branding, because the Harman Kardon brand and again, I haven't been there for a decade has gone into different product categories. But I thought that this was very interesting on the one hand for the rebirth of AVRs under $1,000.

06:00 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Right.

06:01 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
Not to be confused with over $1,000.

06:04 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Right, right. Another thing I thought was very interesting about this model was the remote, which I do have a picture of in the white Yep, there you go. This looks more like a remote from an Apple TV or a Roku or something, not an AV receiver.

06:20 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
In fact it could be that remote the same tool, quite frankly. But yeah, that's right. But you know, if you take a step back and you say who's buying these things? Who does the brand in this case JBL want to buy it? They don't want people who need a gazillion buttons. And technology has changed where it wasn't. Back when I was doing AVRs, where you had to go into individual menus but where you couldn't do that, you couldn't do that.

06:50
You wanted a discrete button for delay and surround mode or whatever, you don't need that because you can do that in a menu or maybe this is intended for a market where that's not even needed. So I really kind of salute them for doing that, and I'll be really curious to see where that goes.

07:15 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
It'll be very interesting. Yeah, yeah, um, sony had a number of new avrs as well, of a more conventional design, as we'll see in the picture. Uh, here we see it see all of them festooned with buttons the 60th anniversary of ES Wow.

07:35 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
Started with that amplifier that's on the poster down towards the end. That is the original ES product and these are big AVRs. Yes, these are traditional AVRs and the AVR and many of the traditional legacy manufacturers Denon, marantz, yamaha, anki, onir, anki On Pioneer, integra and Elite those guys are still having AVRs and new AVRs. But you also now have folks like Anthem and Arkham which, by the way, the AVRs that I probably would have been doing if I were there now are now Arcam's, which is also very smart, because now they're $1,100, $2,200, $3,500, $4,500, $6,000 for an AVR from some of these brands, because they're well, but they've got a lot more channels and they've got a lot more amplifiers that you have to have and a lot more technology for HDMI and you want at that price, you want those better DACs and you want that better HDMI and you probably still have a button with a boatload of buttons.

08:54 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
A remote with a boatload of buttons. A remote with a boatload of buttons, yeah.

08:56 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
Yeah, that too. And some of the other brands, some of the more customy brands like Anthem and Arcam. Instead of having the traditional two-line display which you can see that these Sonys have, they have five-inch color TFT displays displays. So and the fact that some of the installers are either using the larger of these to that 1999 and up AVRs to drive decent sized and quality home theaters, shows that the AVR maybe isn't selling as much as it used to be, and we'll see how the JBL thing does, how many it's going to be selling in the $400 AVR from Sony, or you know from me that we used to sell at Circuit City.

09:49
You know, that's gone, but that's you know. Video killed. The radio star Soundbar killed the AVR under $1,000. But these bigger AVRs, the sales aren't as big. But there it's suddenly become a vibrant category with a lot of new products from across the brand spectrum.

10:14 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Speaking of Onkyo, they had a new one, the TX-RZ30, which is Graphic 5. And here it is paired. It was driving the Klipsch RP5000F.

10:30 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
What a coincidence.

10:33 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Yes, by coincidence.

10:35 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
Owned by the same company.

10:36 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Right and so yeah, so that's just another AVR.

10:42 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
Look at the number of buttons on that remote.

10:44 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
It's a ton.

10:45 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
Right, but that's what the people who are buying that want, and the people who are buying that want Dirac and you can put Dirac on that. And, by the way, buying that want Dirac and you can put Dirac on that.

10:55 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Which, and by the way, this does have Dirac.

11:00 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
Exactly. But are the people who are buying the MA modern audio? Do they want Dirac? Do they know what Dirac is? And even if they know what it is, do they feel it's of any value to them? Right, and it has nothing to do with Dir rack or any other room correction thing being good or bad. It's like not appropriate, not necessary. You know what. It sounds good to me and I'm not going to spend any more money. Right, I'm going to. So the market is rationalizing itself. But that's a classic ankyo avr. I can tell with this distance from the display that is a classic AVR. And let's just say that I'll bet that panel in the middle. If you press it, it drops down and there are probably 15 more buttons behind that panel.

11:44 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Right, right, I believe you're correct. This AVR, by the way, is $1,200.

11:53 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
And not a bad, and as are the companions from Pioneer, which is Anki Onir, owned by the Premium Audio Group, same company, and Denon and Moran's, owned by the same company, and Yamaha, not owned by any of those companies. Right, they're good values for what they are. It's just something that you have to want, that type of product, right, and if you want it, there are new ones that you can get.

12:17 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
There's tons of them, yep. Okay, one thing I wanted to mention at the higher end is JBL Synthesis Yep, which we talked about, the JBL Synthesis demo. Here they're showing some new separate components the SDP58 16-channel processor $6,900.

12:41 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
Not for that type of product, for synthesis, that's not an outrageous price, especially if you want to ask how much a Storm or a Trinov is. I could buy six of these for the price of a Trinov or a Storm.

13:00 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Yes, yes, yes, those are. Trinov and Storm Audio are all in the five figures, certainly.

13:07 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
But this is really good and you can see Dirac, imax, you know all the DTS and Dolby variants. This is a damn good processor variants.

13:23 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
This is a damn good processor.

13:24 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
And it's sitting on top of the SDA 2200 two-channel power amp, which I wouldn't particularly be doing in real life.

13:28 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
No, that's $3,850 for two channels, but it does have Dante compatibility.

13:35 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
Dante is a thing, I have my reservations as to where it really belongs in this market, but if there must be people who think it belongs, because there was a lot of it around the floor- Right, and just to make sure that everybody understands what it is, it's one name, it's the professional version of something more generically called.

13:57 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
AES67, or, even more generically, audio over IP. So it's basically sending audio digitally over Ethernet, essentially, and really the conversion to analog only happens at the very end within the amplifier, so the audio stays in the digital domain all the way along.

14:18 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
And you can run it around the house with Cat6 cabling.

14:21 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Correct, correct. You don't run into any length considerations at all. I will tell you that there were some small receivers.

14:30 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
There were some small 3.1 receivers from some of the brands at Cedia with Dante, and you know that's how you move it around yeah, okay it's.

14:42 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
I am going to have that in my home theater as soon as I get my storm audio processor, which which will probably be the one that they were demoing at Cedia. That's another story that I will cover in another episode.

14:59 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
Are you going to tell us what the speakers are? Are you going to keep that a secret?

15:01 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Oh no, I'll tell you, they are from Grimani Systems, our friend Anthony Grimani. It's a 7.2.2 system. They're the Rixos speakers.

15:15 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
I once had Rixos, but they gave me some pills.

15:17 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
They gave you some pills, for it Went away. They sound fabulous, oh man.

15:22 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
But we digress.

15:23 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
We digress. Let's get back to Cedia, shall we? Let's?

15:27 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
JBL introduced their Stage 2 line of speakers and subs, and here we see a photo from AVS Forum and you show oh wait, wait. If you see the—on top of the four-standers, you see the Atmos Elevation speakers, and if you look all the way over on the right, there's the white version of the MA receiver Of that new AVR. And that is something that would never have occurred to any of us back in the day.

16:00 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Is to make a white AVR.

16:03 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
With a lucite front.

16:04 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Yeah.

16:07 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
Yeah, but that's a nice, but that's exactly what it's for. It's meant to look like that and be in a package like that. So you're looking that whole thing, I don't know. Three grand, maybe altogether.

16:21 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
I believe that's true. Yeah, I believe that's true.

16:23 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
For all those speakers, and there's a sub down there.

16:26 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Yep.

16:26 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
And that'll put out really good sound.

16:30 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Yep, yep, absolutely. There are a couple of subwoofers that I wanted to mention. One is from SVS. They made a new 17-inch subwoofer. This is a pretty big sub. It comes in ported and sealed versions.

16:48 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
But that wasn't the biggest sub at the show.

16:50 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Oh no, we're going to get to that in just a minute.

16:52 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
That looks like that's going to power a 737 MAX.

16:57 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
So this one, the amplifier, puts out 2,800 watts RMS or 6,000 watts peak Yep. It'll be shipping later this month, the pricing they said was not finalized, which should be in the $2,000 to $3,000 range.

17:11 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
And that was not available to be listened to at the show.

17:13 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Right, right Now, the one you're talking about.

17:18 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
It's Scott Wilkinson laugh.

17:19 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Yes, now the one you're talking about. It's Scott Wilkinson, laugh. Yes, the Pro Audio Technology, which is run by Paul Hales, a good friend of mine and a really good engineer. The ULFC221IS infrasonic subwoofer goes down to 10.6 hertz.

17:39 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
Fasten your seatbelts.

17:41 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Fasten your seatbelts, because humans can only hear down to 20 hertz, so this goes an octave lower, but you can feel it. You can feel it absolutely. I'm sure you can. Did you hear this one?

17:56 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
No, no, they did not turn that on.

17:58 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
They didn't turn that guy on.

17:59 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
But just as but as a parallel example the Trinov demo that we talked about a couple of episodes ago, with massive subwoofers. I was speaking to somebody in the booth next to it and all of a sudden, the thing is rumbling right Southern California guy these days and I'm like earthquake. Like earthquake a brand, by the way and somebody said no, turn around mike. And we were behind where the trinoff demo trinoff demo and it was shaking the floor and I I don't even want to know what that thing does yeah, yeah.

18:32 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Well, this guy, this pro audio technology, goes down to 10 hertz and that's only minus 3 db from nominal. So it's putting out 10 hertz. That's going to flap your pants leg and how many gazillion.

18:44 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
I I don't. I think I sent you a shot of the uh, what he called the product tag, and it's got a gazillion watts of 8 000 watts yeah 8 000 watts of of power on that amplifier really amazing, oh. Oh honey, the circuit breaker just popped.

19:00 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Yeah right, you mentioned that there weren't very many soundbars, but there were a couple, and there was one from Klipsch called the Flexus 300. And this thing is interesting, it's a 7.1.4 soundbar. It comes with the two subwoofers, you see, and two up-firing surround speakers.

19:23 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
And give a flex, give a flexus for Festivus.

19:27 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Exactly.

19:32 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
And no but that combination of ingredients. The feature set of that 7.1.4 system. Yeah, supports direct yes, it goes down to 43 and the sub goes down to 23 for 1800. That's.

19:51 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
You know, that's pretty impressive and there is a market for that yes, yes, that is a full system for $1,800 that doesn't require an AV receiver.

20:07 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
So you know. That's another piece of evidence as to where the market is going.

20:12 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Yep, exactly the other soundbar that I wanted to mention, which I don't have a picture of because I tried to find one.

20:20 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
I'm sorry I missed that one. You should have called me.

20:22 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
I should have. I didn't even know about it until after the show was over and I was doing some research and I saw it and I went to the website and it said you must enter your email to get more information. There was no picture of it Right On the website. It was all very secretive and I in fact did that and I haven't gotten anything back yet from them. It's from a company called.

20:44 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
Dine Audio. Oh, they're a well-established brand.

20:46 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
It's a well-established brand, absolutely. They've been around forever. It's called the Symphony Opus One. It's six feet wide, the sound bar.

20:57 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
That goes with the 115-inch. You know, tcl, tcl precisely. But I'm only half joking. I mean, it doesn't you know it's not sold that way. But if you look at what people are doing with these things, some of these things with out of context selling, that's really damn goofy. But then you know, maybe it's not.

21:17 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Well, it depends on how much. I certainly couldn't find out what the cost was. I'm sure it's very expensive. Dine audio is a high-end brand. Um yeah, sign up to learn more. That's all they'll say. And you have these really close-up pictures of what look like shutters wooden shutters that I guess open and close. I don't really know. I'm sorry, I didn't know about this ahead of time. Yeah, there it is. You'd see them opening and closing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I wish I had known about it before the show.

21:49 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
Oh yeah, because I definitely would have gone to see that.

21:51 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Hipped you to go see that, so it's going to be very expensive, but it should be really interesting. Yep, any other audio things that you saw?

22:06 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
Not so much. Oh yes, hidden speakers. Oh yeah, you put a driver on a plate of glass, kind of thing. Or it's a driver that's in something and you plaster over it. And I saw I mean that's not anything new, that's been around for ages, but there were a bunch of of those. But, um, not so much audio. Um, can I throw in a couple of other odd loose ends? Sure, Okay, One is the frame or canvas, the TV, flat panel TV, as artwork.

22:44 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Yes.

22:45 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
And that was something that Samsung started, I think, last CES. But now Skyworth, which is a very big brand in China, is capitalizing on that for the US market and that's actually their entry point, along with outdoor stuff, into the US market, and that's actually their entry point, along with outdoor stuff, into the US market. And TCL has one, and Samsung also has the music frame, which is what looks like pictures, but they're also speakers, and then you know the flat panel, so that's a trend. Higher frame rate for video. Awol was very big on that. Leave us not forget our gaming friends and VRR and 240 hertz and things like that.

23:32 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Those are all gaming features.

23:34 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
Right, but again, remember what the CD of people are putting in different kinds of rooms for different kinds of people, and you know that was something that popped up in a bunch of a bunch of booths. What other sort of why can't get over the laundry jet, but we did.

23:53 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
We saw that at the end of episode one, so if you didn't see that, go back and look at episode one and you know. Or yeah, episode four, episode 449, the first part of the CD coverage.

24:04 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
There's a lot of audio cue which is doing power, audio over power, like PLC.

24:13 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Don't get me started.

24:16 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
I'm not trying to change your mind, but I spoke to the people behind it. Not the brand, but the technology, the chip guys. And you know it's not meant to be Scott Wilkinson audio, it's meant to be whole house audio.

24:35 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
And that's what this is about house audio, and that's what this is about. Just so that everybody knows we're talking about sending audio over the. Ac power line as IP, as IP, so it's digital.

24:49 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
Oh, yes, yes, no, it's not like a bus. No, no, no, no, no. This is audio over IP over power. Audio over IP over power.

24:58 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Well, that makes a little more sense, because digital I mean sending analog over the AC power is like driving a Ferrari over a dirt road. Right, it's ridiculous.

25:13 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
But if I told you it was audio over IP and I didn't tell you what pipe was going through, you'd say, okay, fine, well, that's what this is.

25:23 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
in a different sort of vein, in it, yeah, in a different carrier, so to speak right.

25:28 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
So you know. So that that was something um shade, now again a little extending the home theater geek concept. But shades and lighting for the installers is a huge category and there are all sorts of things. Hunter Douglas had solar-powered, remote-controlled, automated blinds.

25:53 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
This is an important thing for home theaters to be able to control the ambient light.

25:58 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
And so there was a lot of attention to lighting and shades. It's an interesting show and there were a lot of things that, as you just said, fit into the category of home theater, that you might not think really do. But then you go. But I don't want you know. Before we did the show, I pulled the blinds down. It would have been great if I could just push a damn button. But remember, hdr sucks. So that's the headline of the show, that's the headline of the show.

26:34 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Barry Sonnenfeld says HDR sucks.

26:37 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
If you didn't watch the first one of these episodes of 449, folks go back and listen to that one.

26:43 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. What Barry Sonnenfeld talked about is very interesting, very interesting.

26:50 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
It was a very, very good show and everybody really learned a lot. I did a lot of courses, the RP-22. Oh, can I give a plug? We're in audio. Let's give a plug for RP22.

27:03 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Right, which is called Recommended Practices, number 22,. From Cedia right.

27:09 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
Yes, they published it, but it is now an official ANSI standard.

27:13 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
And it basically talks about how to configure and set up immersive sound systems, that is, speakers around you and speakers overhead.

27:23 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
And it's based on I know the guys who wrote it. It took them six years to do it. It's based on a lot of the research that was originally done by Dr Tool and by Todd Welty and Dr Olive and Peter A Lent and a lot of other guys. But if you are designing your own home theater and it doesn't have to be a big, you know, big dollar home theater but as again as my friend Peter A Lett said in the Trinoff booth, we don't need no stinking room correction because we did it right and it was even quite he's English he doesn't really talk like that but we don't need no stinking room correction because did it right and it was even quite he's english. He doesn't really talk like that but we don't need no stinking room correction because there's nothing to correct because we did it right the first time right, right, you know, and that's what this rp22 tells you how to do, to do, and you know what is it?

28:11
norm abrams used to be the carpenter on this old house. He wrote a book called measure twice cut once. Yes, and that's what this is for immersive audio. And if anybody, you can go to the CDL website and just put RP-22, and it's free and there you go. It is pretty intense, but it's really really good.

28:37 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
As you say, if you need some non-habit-forming sleep aid, you can use it for that.

28:42 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
Put this under the pillow, honey, it'll just put you right to sleep. Go, scroll back up. Whoever is scrolling up here See some of the brands that were using it at Cedia to do their theaters and Officina Acoustica hey, how's your acoustica? It's a bit better than the C in the C. Yes, by all those folk tells you that this is real stuff. This, this wasn't a bunch of guys sitting at a starbucks, you know, with a laptop making up a standard no, that's uh.

29:28 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Yeah, this I'm definitely. You sent me the link to it. I'm going to download it and, uh, read it until my eyes droop, but don't print it out.

29:37 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
You have, joanna hit you over the head with it. No, no, no, I won't, but so yeah, that's kind of Cedia in not a nutshell.

29:47 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
And in three parts. Yes, Mike Heiss, thank you so much for being here. Thank you, Scott. I appreciate your letting me do this. Where can people read your work?

29:57 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
Okay, so Hidden Wires, which is European, but they've got some really good articles and you want to see some really insane theaters. The name of the publication is Hidden Wires and it's hiddenwirescouk and more oriented towards the US. I'm one of the founding contributing editors of Residential Tech Today, wwwreztechtodaycom, and again you can read my stuff there and read a lot of good stuff by a lot of other really good people.

30:32 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Sounds great. And in addition, you're a consultant to a number of companies.

30:36 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
You help them design products, which will be known more as the year progresses.

30:42 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Well, I can't wait. Maybe we'll get you back on to talk about it when you can.

30:46 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
A lot of the stuff that I didn't see at Cedia that we talked about is because I was talking to chip guys and manufacturers and other consultants who consult the consultants, and there's some cool stuff coming down the pipe.

31:01 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
Excellent, excellent. Well, I'm looking forward to all of that and, in the meantime, I thank you so much for being here. My pleasure, it's been really great talking with you.

31:09 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
Are we going to have two for Christmas this year?

31:11 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
We are going to have two for Christmas this year December 1st at the Forest Lawn Glendale.

31:18 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
Oh, so you're going to go back into the house of liberty.

31:23 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
The Hall of Liberty is not yet done with its renovation. So just a little plug here. Everybody go to tubachristmaslacom to get all the details for this wonderful Christmas concert. It's really good Christmas and Hanukkah music played on a hundred tubas. So anyway, that has nothing to do with Home Theater Geeks, but but you deserve a plug too, what the heck. Anyway, thanks again, Mike, Really appreciate it.

31:51 - Mike Heiss (Guest)
Thank you, Scott.

31:53 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
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